This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1920.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: These ROPER households are shown in the 1790 U.S. Census for North Carolina: James ROPER: ..... 1 - 0 - 2 -- 0 - 0 [Burke, NC 1790] James ROPER:..... NO DATA [Caswell, NC 1790] William ROPER:... NO DATA [Caswell, NC 1790] Jesse ROPER: ..... 3 - 2 - 7 -- 0 - 0 [Cumberland, NC 1790] John ROPER: ...... 1 - 0 - 4 -- 0 - 3 [Edgecombe, Halifax, NC] Thos. ROEPER:..... 1 - 1 - 3 -- 0 - 0 [Lincoln, NC 1790] Ann ROPER: ....... 0 - 2 - 3 -- 0 - 0 [Northampton, NC 1790] James ROPER: ..... 1 - 1 - 2 -- 0 - 2 [Northampton, NC 1790] David ROPER Rev.: 1 - 1 - 5 -- 0 - 0 [Rutherford, NC 1790] Charles ROPER: ... 1 - 2 - 5 -- 0 - 0 [Rutherford, NC 1790] Meredith ROPER: .. 3 - 1 - 4 -- 0 - 0 [Rutherford, NC 1790] David ROPER Jr.: . 1 - 1 - 1 -- 0 - 0 [Rutherford, NC 1790] * * * These additional ROSSER households are shown in Chatham County, North Carolina, in 1790, and should NOT be confused as ROPERs: John ROSSER, Sr.: 1 - 0 - 3 - 0 -- 0 - 4 [Chatham, NC 1790] John ROSSER, Jr.: 1 - 3 - 6 - 0 -- 0 - 10 [Chatham, NC 1790] Wm. ROSSER: ...... 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 [Chatham, NC 1790] * * * * * NOTES [1] James ROPER (b abt 1766 - NC) is shown in the 1850 Census still residing in Burke County, NC. [2] Revolutionary War Veteran James ROPER (b abt 1756-60 - Caswell, NC, d 18 Nov 1835 - Simpson, KY) is known to have migrated from Caswell to Chester County, SC, about 1799. He then migrated to Logan, KY, about 1805, and is found in Simpson, KY, after this county was created from Logan County. James ROPER is found in the 1800 Census residing in Chester, SC, and the 1820 and 1830 Census, residing in Simpson, KY. The 1790 Census returns for Hillsborough, Caswell County, NC, seem to have been lost and the Tax Lists have been used as a substitute, but these Tax Lists seem also to have now been lost as to the underlying data. James ROPER seems to have shown up on the Tax List, but we do not know otherwise what else this Tax List revealed. See my thread: "James ROPER (b Jun 1745 - Caswell, NC, d 18 Nov 1835 - Simpson, KY)" (27 Nov 2012 7:23PM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1721/mb.ashx See also the transcription of James ROPER's Revolutionary War Pension Application No. R8996: http://revwarapps.org/r8996.pdf [3] William ROPER (b bef 1759) is found in the Tax Lists for Hillsborough, Caswell County, NC. The Census returns for Hillsborough seem to be lost. This is almost surely the William ROPER known to have married Keziah YATES. This William ROPER also appears in a number of other Caswell records, including deeds. Despite numerous specious and fraudulent ascriptions involving this William ROPER, there are NO KNOWN CHILDREN of William ROPER and Keziah YATES. This is NOT to say that William and Keziah ROPER had no children. Rather, that TO DATE no one has ever identified a single primary record which would seem to show that there are any offspring from this marriage. If someone tells you they are descended from this William ROPER be sure to ask them for some PROOF, since a lineage to this William ROPER is mostly an indication of intellectually lazy or dishonest genealogy! If anyone learns of actual proof that William and Keziah ROPER had any children, they are encouraged t! o Post the information right away. [4] This Jesse ROPER seems likely to be Jesse ROPER (b 31 May 1751,d bef 22 Jan 1810), son of Charles ROPER and Ann GOODWYN. Jesse and his wife Obedience ROPER migrated from Northampton, NC, to Cumberland, NC, where Jesse is found in the 1790 Census, as shown above, then to Lancaster District, SC, where he is enumerated in 1800. Jesse ROPER died before 22 Jan 1810 and his estate was probated in Mecklenburg County, NC. See my thread: "Jesse ROPER (b 31 May 1751,d bef 22 Jan 1810), son of Charles ROPER and Ann GOODWYN" (10 May 2014 8:12AM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1903/mb.ashx [5] John ROPER (d bef Aug 1797 - Halifax County, NC) died leaving a Will proved at the August Court 1797 Court for Halifax, NC. This Will identified John ROPER's widow Lucy and daughters Mary, Hulda, Elizabeth, Barbara, Zilpha, and Bethea. No sons are mentioned. The four eldest daughters were already married at John ROPER's death. See my thread: "Will of John ROPER or ROAPER (d bef Aug 1797 - Halifax County, NC)" (30 Jan 2013 10:53AM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1770/mb.ashx [6] Thomas ROEPER REEPER or ROPER, of Lincoln, NC, has mostly been overlooked because of both the misspelling of his surname and the fraudulent ascription of David Y. ROPER, of Giles, TN, as a son of William ROPER, of Caswell, NC. Lincoln, NC, was a natural place to look for additional data since David Y. ROPER was married to ABERNATHY, who is known to have grown up in Lincoln. Thomas ROEPER is enumerated in 1790 adjacent to B. ABERNATHY. Thomas Charles ROPER is known to have entered (occupied) lange in Lincoln in 1786, which land was granted by the State of North Carolina in 1790. [7] Ann ROPER is the widow of Richard ROPER. She is shown in a 1783 Tax List for Greensville County, Virginia. Ann and her children are named in the Will of Angelica LEWIS dated 20 Jan 1783. Ann ROPER's two sons were Thomas ROPER and Charles ROPER. Two of Ann's daughter were Retty (possibly Henrietta) ROPER and Sally ROPER. Richard ROPER has been the victim of some of the most egregious genealogical fraud. Although he seems to have died a young man leaving only minor children, the identities of which are ALL KNOWN from the Wills of their mother and grandmother, dishonest persons have nevertheless seized upon the murky intestacy in Greenville, VA, to ascribe a number of children and attributes to this man for which there has never existed a shred of valid evidence. Richard and Ann ROPER's children are first identified in the Northampton, NC, Will of Angelica LEWIS. Ann ROPER then again identifies her children in her own Northampton, NC, Will dated 10 Jul 1816. "North Carolina, Probate Records, 1735-1970," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1940-1022959-1-83?cc=1867501&wc=MDRN-PZ9:169791301,170370001 : accessed 21 Apr 2014), Northampton > Wills, 1808-1826, Vol. 03 > image 137 of 209. [8] The James ROPER found in Northampton, NC, in 1790 is most likely Revolutionary War Veteran James ROPER (b abt 1761-2, d 1833 - Richmond County, NC). See my thread: James ROPER (b abt 1761-2, d 1833 - Richmond County, NC) (24 Nov 2012 2:31PM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1718/mb.ashx See also this James ROPER's Revolutionary War Pension Application (S7413) as transcribed and abstracted by Will GRAVES: http://revwarapps.org/s7413.pdf There is also a small chance that this James ROPER may be Jesse and Obedience ROPER's son James ROPER (b abt 1769-74, d bef 24 Nov 1828), however this James ROPER may not have even been age 21 at the date of the 1790 Census and is more likely still residing within his parent's household in 1790. Jesse and Obedience had migrated from Northampton, NC, to Cumberland, NC, by 1790. [9] Rev. David ROPER, of Rutherford, NC, seems likely to be David ROPER (b 29 Jun 1742 - VA, d bef 10 Dec 1802 - SC), son of Charles and Ann ROPER. Some researchers claim that the "Rev." shown on the Census record reflects that this David ROPER was a Revolutionary War Veteran rather than a minister, however, these people cannot explain how it is that there were tens of thousands of other Revolutionary War Veterans in North Carolina who were NOT so noted in the Census Rolls and that the only OTHER persons enumerated in North Carolina shown with "Rev." on their Census records are KNOWN to have been ministers. [10] Charles ROPER, of Rutherford, is most likely Charles ROPER (b 19 Apr 1758, d 01 Mar 1837), son of Charles ROPER and Ann GOODWYN. This Charles ROPER is known to have married Elizabeth BUTLER. They had six children: Nancy ROPER (b 06 Apr 1777), Eliza ROPER, Martha ROPER, Joseph ROPER, Dolly ROPER and Goodwin ROPER. Eldest daughter Nancy ROPER married her first cousin Benjamin MOORE on 22 Dec 1796. Thus, in 1790, Charles ROPER ought to have had a wife, two sons and three daughters in his household, which is precisely the composition of the household of Charles ROPER, of Rutherford, NC. Charles ROPER is known to have later been a minister in Dinwiddie, VA. [11] Meredith ROPER is shown in the 1790 Census in Rutherford, NC, and in the 1800 Census residing in Pendleton District, SC. In the 1800 Census, he is shown to be age 45 or more (b bef 1755), but he is almost certainly much older than 45 by 1800. Meredith ROPER seems to be first mentioned in a Northampton, NC, land grant for Arthur HARRIS dated 25 May 1756 within which he is identified as a chain carrier for the survey conducted on 11 Apr 1752. It seems likely that Meredith would have been at least age fifteen by the date of the survey, though he wouldn't have necessarily reached majority. Thus, Meredith was probably born before 1737. Meredith ROPER is also shown as a chain carrier for surveys of land patented by David ROPER on Rattlesnake Creek. See L. David ROPER's exposition on Meredith ROPER: "The Mysterious Meredith/Meriday Roper in NC" http://www.roperld.com/rncmer.htm This sketch contains useful data about Meredith ROPER, but the speculative ascriptions and connections to the Charles City County ROPERs do not stand up to close scrutiny. [12] David ROPER Jr., of Rutherford, NC, seems likely to be Revolutionary War Veteran David ROPER (b Oct 1755 - NC, d 18 Nov 1835 - Pulaski, KY). * * * * * If you have some additional elaborating information about any of these ROPER households based upon primary sources, you are encouraged to post that information as a Reply. Those who disagree with an ascription are especially encouraged to post their views! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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