This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Barnes Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1758.6/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Within David ROPER's 1830 and 1840 Census records, there are more youngsters than have been accounted for by presently ascribed children: David ROPER: 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [St. Louis, MO 1830] David ROPER: 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Greene, MO 1840] There are three females under age 15 in 1830: one (1) under age 5, one (1) age 5 to 9, and one (1) age 10 to 14. However, by 1850, there are ZERO females residing in David ROPER's household. Within a sketch of William Henry FULBRIGHT (b 15 Aug 1837 - Greene, MO), we were given some genealogical details of his grandmother: "He is the son of John Lawson and Elizabeth O. (Roper) Fulbright. He is the scion of two old American families of colonial stock. His grandfather, David Roper was a soldier in the war of 1812, and fought at the battle of Horse Shoe under Gen. Andrew Jackson. The great-grandfather on his mother's side was a soldier in the Revolutionary war." "John L. Fulbright, father of the immediate subject of this sketch, was born on October 11, 1816, and was therefore thirteen years of age when he came with his parents to Greene county and here he grew to manhood and engaged in farming. ... The death of John L. Fulbright occurred on October 31, 1882, on the old farm in Campbell township. His wife, who was born in Tennessee in 1816, died on the homestead here June 21, 1885." See: "William Henry FULBRIGHT (b 15 Aug 1837 - Greene, MO)" (11 Mar 2014 10:07PM) http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.roper/1698.3.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.2.4.1/mb.ashx Thus, one of David ROPER's daughters was the Elizabeth ROPER's (b 1816 - TN, d 21 Jun 1885 - Greene, MO) who married John Lawson FULBRIGHT. Elizabeth would have been age 14 in 1830 and would have been the eldest of the three possible daughters shown within the 1830 Census record. That still leaves two other younger females, about whom little is known. * * * However, I would submit that David ROPER's residence within the household of J. T. BARNES and A. E. BARNES in 1865 is probably telling. Though no relationship is shown in the Kansas State Census record, the presence of both David ROPER and William F. ROPER in J. T. BARNES' household, with David ROPER's son David S. ROPER enumerated in the adjacent record is highly suggestive of some family connection. The 1860 Census record of this couple, residing in Turnback, Lawrence, MO, gives us some additional evidence. That record shows a young couple named James T. BARNES, age 35, and Ann Eliza. BARNES, age 33, with three young children: David N., age 5, Rebecca E, age 3, and L. J. (female), age 3/12. [Ancestry Image 2 of 23]] See: * * Note that the names of the two children correspond to the names of David ROPER and his then deceased wife Rebecca Cannon ROPER. This seems to me to be unlikely to be a chance result. Ann E. BARNES, at age 33, would have been age 3 at the date of the 1830 Census and would have been under age 5. She would have been age 10 to 14 in 1840. Ann E. BARNES is also shown to be born in Tennessee. * * Moreover, David ROPER is shown to be residing within the SAME township enumerated with son William ROPER three Census pages later [Image 5 of 23]. * * * This same couple seems to have been residing in Jackson Township, Greene County, MO, in 1850. James T. BARNES is shown to be age 25, and Ann E. BARNES is shown to be age 20 in that record. They have a child Thos. Mc. BARNES, age 4/12. See: * * * 1. Thus the clues are that Ann E. BARNES first appears by name in the 1850 Census in the same county as David ROPER in 1850. She is shown to be born in Tennessee. She is the correct age to be David ROPER's daughter. 2. Ann Elizabeth BARNES next appears with her husband and children in Lawrence County, MO, in 1860. David ROPER and William F. ROPER appear in Turnback, Lawrence, MO, the same year [Image 5 of 23]. (This record is mis-indexed as "ROSSER"). 3. Ann E. BARNES names two children David and Rebecca, which would correspond to the names of the her parents and child's grandparents IF Ann is David and Rebecca ROPER's daughter. 4. David ROPER and William F. ROPER reside within James and Ann E. ROPER's household in Jefferson County, Kansas in 1865. David ROPER's other son David S. ROPER is enumerated within the adjacent record. While I will stop short of definitively declaring an ascription of Ann E. BARNES as David ROPER's daughter, this seems to me to be a productive avenue of inquiry. * * * * It also might be a good idea to take a closer look at the Joseph and Jane FOSTER residing adjacent to William ROPER in Lawrence, MO, in 1860. Jane is age 35 and Joseph and Jane have a son named "David". This is a suggested avenue of inquiry, NOT an ascription! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>