This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Cannon, Whitehead, Davis, Walker, Bracken, Moss Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1923/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Within the 1790 United States Census for South Carolina there is enumerated a John ROPER residing in Pendleton District, SC. Despite the fact that this seems to have been the FIRST member of the MUR ROPER family to have settled in upper South Carolina and truly THE PIONEER ROPER to Pendleton, this John ROPER has been almost completely DISMISSED and IGNORED (possibly because any attention focused on John ROPER causes the various fraudulent ascriptions to collapse like the house of cards that it is). Here is what John ROPER's Census record shows: John ROPER: 1 - 3 - 2 -- 0 [Pendleton, SC 1790] See: This John ROPER appears to be within Captain James HAMILTON's Company [see Image 3 of 15]. Immediately adjacent Census records include: Leonard VANDRERGRIFT Elizabeth JONES Edmund FRANKLIN Richard YORK Matthew MORGAN John McCOLLUM John WOODAL John GABRIL Shadrack INGRAM Jacob CANE John ROPER: 1 - 3 - 2 -- 0 [Pendleton, SC 1790] Zachariah WALKER Vann WALKER Morgan HOOK Jordan REEVES James PARSONS John COSE Nimrod BARLETT Frederick STARNS Margaret STARNS Robert LENNARD James CALMBERS As a check on correct interpretation of the ROPER name ("p" versus "ss"), see the "ss" in the names of John ROSS (first column near top of the page), Thomas MOSS (second column), as well as William DOSSEY (third column), and compare to the "p" in James and William STEPHENSON (first column), as well as the "p" in Capt. William McCALEB. There is a James CANNON on this Census page: James CANNON: 1 - 1 - 4 -- 0 [Pendleton, SC 1790] * * * * * John ROPER is again present within Pendleton at the 1800 Census enumeration. The Census counts are at least consistent with the figures reported for 1790, suggesting that this is probably the SAME John ROPER, though this is hardly conclusive. John ROPER: 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1800] See: This John ROPER is shown to be age 26 to 44 (b abt 1756-74). The eldest female is slightly younger, at age 18 to 25 (b abt 1775-82). This age seems incompatible with the possibility that the eldest female is the mother of the children born before 1790 and may reflect that John ROPER's wife has died since the prior Census enumeration and that the eldest female is a daughter rather than a wife. This is also at least consistent with the presence of two females within the household of John ROPER in 1790. * * * The heads of household shown proximate to this John ROPER in 1800 are: William ASHER Lous ASHER John ROPER: 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1800] William DAVIS James ALLEN John DOVER Samuel LOOPER Edward WILLSON David BURK William MITCHELL Clement MITCHELL Joseph LOOPER Isaac RICE Abraham PENN On the previous Census page are (partial): Danl. THOMPSON William TURNER Charles GATES Priscilla FRANKUM John MOSS Jesse MOSS Nicholas EDWARDS John BLEDSOE Drury THOMPSON David EDWARDS Thomas EDWARDS Noah FOX William LAFFOON On the FOLLOWING PAGE is a: Joseph ROPER: 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1800] This Joseph ROPER is shown to be age 18 to 25 (b abt 1775-82). Also on the SAME PAGE with Joseph ROPER are: John BRACKEN, Jr.:. 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1800] John BRACKEN, Sen.: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1800] James BRACKEN:..... 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1800] * * * Although the 1790 Census does NOT explicitly include any direct indication of John ROPER's age, given that this John ROPER also has three males under age 16 and two females residing within his household, possibly including a daughter, IF several (or ALL) of these others are John ROPER's CHILDREN this would seem to suggest that John ROPER was probably married at least four years prior to the 1790 Census, or by about 1786. Assuming that John ROPER was at least age eighteen (18) at his marriage, this might support a weak inference that John ROPER was born before 1767. Combined with the information from the 1800 Census, we might reasonably expect that this John ROPER was born abt 1756-66. We would therefore expect it to be most likely that this John ROPER would be AGE 45 OR MORE in the 1810 Census enumeration. * * * In 1810, there is NO John ROPER enumerated within Pendleton, SC. There are these John ROPERs enumerated elsewhere within the United States: John ROPER: 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Edgefield, SC 1810] John ROPER: 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 1 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 1 [Caswell, NC 1810] John ROPER: 5 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 -- 0 - 0 [Mecklenburg, NC 1810] John ROPER: 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 3 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 [Petersburg, Dinwiddie, VA 1810] John ROPER: 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 -- 2 - 0 - 0 - 2 - 0 -- 1 - 6 [Henrico, VA 1810] John ROPER: 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 1 - 0 - 5 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 3 [New Kent, VA 1810] John ROPER: 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 3 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Princeton, Worcester, MA 1810] John ROPER: 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Wilbraham, Hampshire, MA 1810] John ROPER, of Dinwiddie, is enumerated adjacent to a Henry CANNON. However, there are no free whites in Henry CANNON's household. Instead, there are only seven (7) free blacks and five (5) slaves. * * Only three of these John ROPERs are age 45 or more: John ROPER, of Caswell, NC; John ROPER, of New Kent, VA; and John ROPER, of Princeton, Worcester, MA. John ROPER, of Princeton, Worcester, and of Wilbraham, Hampshire, MA, are so well away from Pendleton, South Carolina, that these seem exceptionally UNLIKELY to be the John ROPER found in Pendleton, SC, in 1800. The John ROPERs in Virginia seem unlikely as well, though some reverse migrations occasionally occur, especially when a son returns to occupy the father's land. John ROPER, of Henrico, VA, and John ROPER, of New Kent, VA, are each shown in 1800 Virginia Tax Lists as residing in those places. John ROPER, of Caswell, is believed to have been in Caswell, NC, in 1800. John ROPER, of Princeton, Worcester, MA, is shown in the 1800 Census in Princeton, Worcester. John ROPER: 0 - 0 - 3 - 0 - 1 -- 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 2 [Caswell, NC 1800] John ROPER: 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 1 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 1 [Caswell, NC 1810] John ROPER: 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 3 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 -- 0 - 0 [Princeton, Worcester, MA 1800] John ROPER: 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 3 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Princeton, Worcester, MA 1810] * John ROPER, of Caswell, is believed to be John Roper (b bef 1756, d aft 1820), of Caswell, VA, and Cumberland, VA. See Frank Batchelor's post: "John Roper, b. bef. 1756; d. aft. 1820, Cumberland, KY" (01 Apr 2014 4:05PM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1887/mb.ashx * John ROPER, of Mecklenburg, NC, is believed to be Revolutionary War Veteran John ROPER (b 24 Feb 1763-6, d 25 Jul 1852 - AL), son of Jesse and Obedience ROPER. See: "John ROPER (b 24 Feb 1763-6, d 25 Jul 1852 - AL), of Mecklenburg, NC" (12 May 2014 2:17AM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1903.4/mb.ashx * John ROPER, of Henrico, VA, is believed to be John ROPER (b abt 1770 - Charles City, VA, d aft 1850 - prob Henrico, VA), son of David ROPER (b 13 Nov 1744, d 16 Apr 1808 - Charles City, VA). See: "John ROPER (b abt 1770 - Charles City, VA, d aft 1850 - prob Henrico, VA)" (25 Jan 2006 12:53PM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/787.2/mb.ashx NONE of the Census counts of these John ROPERs closely corresponds with the 1790 and 1800 Census records for John ROPER, of Pendleton. * * * * * Neither is there a conspicuous record amongst other remaining Pendleton ROPER households that seems to closely correspond with John ROPER's 1800 Census record. These ROPERs are found in Pendleton in 1810: Abs. ROPER:.. 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1810] Ben. ROPER:.. 4 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 3 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1810] Chas. ROPER:. 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 1 [Pendleton, SC 1810] Joshua ROPER: 3 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1810] Benjamin ROPER, Charles ROPER and Joshua ROPER were each previously enumerated in Pendleton in the 1800 Census: Benjamin ROPER:. 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1800] Ben. ROPER:..... 4 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 3 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1810] Charles ROPER:.. 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 4 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 1 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1800] Chas. ROPER:.... 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 1 [Pendleton, SC 1810] Joshua ROPER: 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1800] Joshua ROPER: 3 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1810] Absolom ROPER, shown to be age 26 to 44 (b abt 1766-84) is newly appearing in 1810 and does NOT appear again within the 1820 Census. This Absolom ROPER seems to have mostly been overlooked and/or ignored by most ROPER researchers. There is an older female in this household age 45 or more (b bef 1766), but the household composition is actually OPPOSITE of what we are looking for, given the indications that John ROPER's wife might have died before 1800 and that the eldest female in 1800 might therefore be a daughter rather than a wife. Thus, the disappearance of John ROPER and reappearance of an older female is inconsistent with the 1800 Census record. This Absolom ROPER seems more likely to be a son of Meredith ROPER than a son of John ROPER. * * * * * Thus, the conclusion would seem to be that EITHER BOTH John ROPER and his wife died between 1800 and 1810 OR that this couple MOVED TO AN AREA for which Census returns were NOT TAKEN in 1810 OR for which the Census returns DO NOT SURVIVE (e.g. Tennessee, Mississippi Territory, including Alabama). 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