This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Ward Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1750.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Since John Y. ROPER is identified as a party to the Ward v. Roper case, I thought it might help to take a little closer look at John Y. ROPER's extant Census data. John Y ROPER: 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Smith, TN 1820] John Y ROPER: 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 5 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 2 - 12 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Sumner, TN 1830] John Y ROPER: 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 6 - 7 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 2 - 5 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Sumner, TN 1840] See: "United States Census, 1820," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHLT-8XB : accessed 22 Apr 2014), John Y Rossie, Not Stated, Smith, Tennessee; citing "1820 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 43, NARA microfilm publication M33, roll 125, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0193687. "United States Census, 1830," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHP4-RNR : accessed 22 Apr 2014), Bnnony Raper, Not Stated, Sumner, Tennessee; citing "1830 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 215, NARA microfilm publication M19, roll 181, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0024539. "United States Census, 1840," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHT1-VFC : accessed 22 Apr 2014), John Y Roper, Not Stated, Sumner, Tennessee; citing "1840 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 353, NARA microfilm publication M704, roll 534, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0024549. * * In 1820, John Y. ROPER [Indexed as "ROSSIE" at FamilySearch.org] is shown to be age 18 to 25 (b abt 1795-1804). He is shown to have a somewhat older female, presumably his wife, age 26 to 44 (b abt 1776-94) in his household. There is also one male child under age 10 (b abt 1811-20) and one female child under age 10 residing in John Y. ROPER's household. In 1830, John Y. ROPER [Indexed as "RAPER" at FamilySearch.org] is shown to have one male age 50 to 59 (b abt 1771-80) residing within his household, as well as a male age 30 to 39 (abt 1791-1800) and a male age 10 to 14. There is also a female age 40 to 49 (b abt 1781-90) and a female child age 10 to 14. In 1840, John Y. ROPER is shown to be age 40 to 49 (b abt 1791-1800), with a male child age 15 to 19 (b abt 1821-5), a female age 40 to 49 (b abt 1791-1800) and a female child under age 5. The older male age 50 to 59 (b abt 1771-80) in John Y. ROPER's household in 1830 is absolutely INCOMPATIBLE with the age range shown for John in the 1820 Census when he is shown to be age 18 to 25 (b abt 1795-1802). By contrast, the male age 30 to 39 (abt 1791-1800) IS CONSISTENT with John Y. ROPER's Census record. Similarly, the date in the 1840 Census record cannot be readily reconciled with that shown in 1830 if one were to infer that John Y. ROPER was the OLDER male in the 1830 enumeration. But the data IS precisely consistent IF John Y. ROPER is the male shown to be 30 to 39 (abt 1791-1800) is the 1830 Census record. These three implicit estimates of John Y. ROPER's year of birth are therefore: b abt 1795-1804 (age 18 to 25) [1820] b abt 1791-1800 (age 30 to 39 ) [1830] b abt 1791-1800 (age 40 to 49) [1840] This resolves to an age range of b abt 1795-1800 across the three Census enumerations. * * * The 1850 Census record gives us better clarity and resolves the remaining ambiguity as to the identity of the grandchildren. Here is John Y. ROPER's household in the 1850 enumeration: John Y. ROPER, age 56, M, W, Born NC, R.E. $10,000, Born NC Sarah ROPER, age 62, F, W, Born NC John Y. ROPER, age 28, M, W, Born TN John E. WARD, age 16, M, W, Born TN Mary E. WARD, age 15, F, W, Born TN See: "United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MC69-NZ5 : accessed 22 Apr 2014), John Y Roper, Sumner county, Sumner, Tennessee, United States; citing family 93, NARA microfilm publication M432. * * John WARD and Mary WARD are erroneously transcribed in both the Ancestry.com and the FamilySearch.org Indices. They were shown as WORD in the Ancestry transcription (I have posted a correction) and as WOOD in the FamilySearch.org transcription. Thus, it appears that in 1850 John Y. ROPER's two grandchildren, surnamed WARD were residing in the ROPER household rather than the WARD household. * * John Y. ROPER is still living at age 66 (b abt 1794) at the date of the 1860 Census enumeration, but wife Sarah is no longer shown in his household. Son John Y. ROPER, shown to be age 39, seems to be married to an Angeline ROPER, age 22, born in Virginia. They have a child William, not yet 1 year old. Grandson John P. WARD, age 24, is also shown to still reside in his grandfather's household. See: "United States Census, 1860," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M8TR-35X : accessed 22 Apr 2014), John Y Roper, District No 1, Sumner, Tennessee, United States; citing "1860 U.S. Federal Census - Population," Fold3.com; p. 97, household ID 665, NARA microfilm publication M653; FHL microfilm 805275. * * * There was also a William ROPER enumerated in Sumner County in 1840: William ROPER: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Sumner, TN 1840] This William ROPER is age 50 to 59 (b abt 1781-90), with a wife in her 40s and no slaves. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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