This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Stephenson, Stevenson, Cummins, Rippee, Hardin, Breedlove Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1899.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Having shown John ROPER's presence in Pulaski County, MO, and the rich and specific information as to the birth dates of his children, as well as their dates of marriage, it is useful to show some additional primary source information which confirms most of the posted information from John H. ROPER's (b 27 Jan 1819) family Bible. FURTHER GENEALOGICAL INFORMATION FROM THE MARRIAGES OF THE CHILDREN Additional genealogical information about the identity of the spouses and the prior movements of the family can be garnered from the extant marriage information related to John and Nancy ROPER's children: Mary ROPER m Nicholas STEPHENSON on 21 Nov 1830 in St. Clair County, IL Rebekah ROPER m John CUMMINS on 03 Nov 1831 in St. Louis, St. Louis County, MO. See: "Illinois Marriages, 1815-1935," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V2PD-1NT : accessed 19 Apr 2014), Nicholas Stephenson and Mary Roper, 21 Nov 1830; citing St Clair County, Illinois; FHL microfilm 2169147. "Missouri, Marriages, 1750-1920," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V2DD-WLQ : accessed 19 Apr 2014), John Cummins and Rebekah Roper, 03 Nov 1831; citing Saint Louis,St Louis,Missouri; FHL microfilm 469561. Ancestry also gives the 03 Nov 1831 marriage date and shows the Rebekah ROPER - John CUMMINS marriage to have been memorialized in Volume 1, Page 179, of St. Louis County, MO, marriage records. The difference between the date shown in the public records and the date shown in the Bible is likely explained by a differing date as to license and/or marriage bond and the date the marriage was actually solemnized, probably by a Methodist minister. * It bears noting that St. Clair, County, IL, is immediately adjacent to St. Louis County, MO. By crossing the Mississippi River, one crosses both the state and county line, so moving from St. Clair to St. Louis involves merely crossing the Mississippi River. * * * GENEALOGICAL INFORMATION GARNERED FROM 1850 CENSUS RECORDS OF THE CHILDREN The genealogical information in John Henry ROPER's family Bible is precisely consistent with the 1850 Census record for John ROPER, showing William ROPER, age 33 (b abt 1817 - TN), Letitia ROPER, age 19 (b abt 1831 - IL), Louise ROPER, age 16 (b abt 1834 - MO). Telethe or Telete seems to be Letitia in the Census record. Similarly, the 1850 Census records for Rebecca CUMMINS (b abt 1818 - TN) and John H. ROPER (b abt 1819 - TN), each enumerated in Wright County, MO, also agrees with the transcription of the family Bible. * John and Nancy ROPER's daughter Mary STEVENSON, age 39, can be found enumerated in Greene County, MO, residing in the household of husband Nicholas STEVENSON and children. She is shown to be born in TENNESSEE. See: "United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MDZH-LG3 : accessed 19 Apr 2014), Mary Stevenson in household of Nicholas Stevenson, Taylor, Greene, Missouri, United States; citing family 1431, NARA microfilm publication M432. * As previously noted, Rebecca CUMMINS is enumerated on the SAME Census page as John ROPER in 1850 and is shown to be born in Tennessee. Elizabeth ROPER had married RIPPEE, but was already dead by 1850. * Sarah Roper HARDIN, age 27 and born in Tennessee, is enumerated with husband S. [Samuel] S. HARDIN and two daughters in Wright County, MO, in 1850. See: "United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MDZR-1G9 : accessed 19 Apr 2014), Sarah Hardin in household of S C Hardin, Wright county, Wright, Missouri, United States; citing family 360, NARA microfilm publication M432. * Margaret (Roper) BREEDLOVE, shown to be age 23 (b abt 1827), is enumerated with her husband Milton BREEDLOVE, age 36, and two children, residing in Wright County, MO. Margaret is shown to be born in Tennessee. See: "United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5PD-XWK : accessed 20 Apr 2014), Margaret Breedlove in household of Milton Breedlove, Wright county, Wright, Missouri, United States; citing family 206, NARA microfilm publication M432. * * * THE MIGRATIONS OF JOHN ROPER's FAMILY Note the place of birth of Leticia / Telethe E. Roper (b 27 Oct 1830) is shown to be Illinois rather than Tennessee or Missouri. Similarly, Mary ROPER is shown to have Nicholas STEPHENSON on 21 Nov 1830 in St. Clair County, IL. Taletia's birthplace in Illinois is further confirmed in her 1860 Census record showing her residing with husband Felix MILLER, age 22 and born in Georgia, in 1860, residing in Hillsborn, Hill County, Texas, in 1860. See: "United States Census, 1860," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MXFF-1N3 : accessed 19 Apr 2014), Felix Miller, Exclusive Of Hillsborn, Hill, Texas, United States; citing "1860 U.S. Federal Census - Population," Fold3.com; p. 57, household ID 394, NARA microfilm publication M653; FHL microfilm 805297. * * By contrast, Margaret Ann ROPER (b 17 Jan 1827) is shown to be born in Tennessee. It therefore appears that John ROPER and his family probably migrated from Tennessee to Illinois sometime between 17 Jan 1827 and 27 Oct 1830. Thereafter, the family seems to have migrated from Illinois to Missouri sometime before the birth of Louisa C. ROPER on 17 Nov 1833. * * It is clear that John ROPER's (b 08 Jan 1788 - NC, d Oct 1863) is NOT enumerated as a head of household in the extant 1820 Census records. However, the Census returns for 1820 for ALL East Tennessee Counties have been LOST. Thus, we might reasonably infer that John and Nancy ROPER probably resided in East Tennessee in 1820 at the birth of their eldest children, ALL of whom are shown in Census returns to have been born in Tennessee. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>