This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: batchelorw Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1915.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: William Roper and William Loving of Sumner County and Maury County, TN The close connection between William Roper of Sumner County, TN, who appears to be William Roper of Caswell, NC, who married Keziah Yates, and William Loving of Sumner County, TN, may help identify the William Roper who is seen in the 1820 Maury County, TN census. Henry Loving was one of the first to settle in the newly created County of Sumner, TN, which was carved out of Davidson County in 1786. An excerpt from an article titled "A History of Sumner county - Ceded to Tennessee" by Jay Guy Cisco, which can found on the Internet, states the following: "The first settlers in the county located claims, or preempted lands, and as soon as possible thereafter they entered them. In almost every instance the first entries were made by land warrants received for services in the Revolutionary War. In 1786, Isaac Bledsoe, Robert Desha, Jordon Gibson, Henry Loving, William Morrison, John Morgan, John Sawyer, Robert Steele, and Jacob Zeigler each entered 640 acres, all on or near Bledsoe's Creek...." Henry Loving can be seen in the 1786 Sumner County Tax Rolls as owning 540 acres. A pedigree compiled by Robert H. Stone titled in part "Record of the Family of Stephen Stone and wife Mary Ann Denny...", which can be found on the Internet, states that Henry Loving had four known children, some of whom married into the Stone family. The children attributed to Henry Loving are: Betty, Walter, Mary, and William. "Dolly Stone who married Walter LOVING, lic. obt. April 23, 1806 Sumner County. She died about 1839. Children: Henry H. Loving, John P. Loving, Evaline Loving." "William Nicholas Stone (1788-1855) married Elizabeth (Betsey) LOVING, lic. obt. February 24, 1808 Sumner County." "Stephen Stone Jr who married Polly LOVING, lic. obt. December 24, 1803 Sumner County." Robert H. Stone also lists the following Sumner County Deeds, which have additional information on those relationships: "Stephen Stone Sr and wife Keziah A. Stone to Deed son Wm. Nicholas and wife Elizabeth (Betty) Stone. 3/13/1811 B 6 p83" "Stephen Stone Jr and wife Polly and Brother Wm Nicholas Stone and wife Elizabeth (Betty) and her brother Walter LOVING to Deed... 6/4/1813 B 6 p291" "Stephen Stone Jr to Deed Walter LOVING 2/25/1817 B 8 p58" The only child of Henry Loving who is missing from the records of the Stone family is William Loving. However, William Loving, along with 163 other residents, signed a 1799 Sumner County Petition, which can be found on the Internet in the US GenWeb Project Archives: "Petitioners of Sumner County, TN dated 30 September 1799 to the House of Representatives 30 September 1799: The Honourable the General Assembly of the State of Tennessee The Petition of a number of inhabitants of the upper end of Sumner County Eastwardly of Rocky Creek Respectively sheweth that from the great extent of said county we humbly conceive it ought to be divided into two separate and distinct counties we having advertised agreeable to law respecting the division of counties. We your petitioners beg leave to state your honourable body some of the hardships we labored under in our present situation, many of us having to attend courts and general assembly & other publick meetings at the distance of sixty and seventy miles which makes our local situation disagreeable from these reasons and many others........ could assign to your ...we beg leave to recommend to your honourable body to divide the said county of Sumner as follows: begining at a portion on the line which divides the State of Kentucky from this State which is a due south course will strike the head of the main fork of Rocky Creek and down the same to its confluence with the Cumberland River thence a South Southeast course to the INDIAN BOUNDARY and all that part of the said county lying Eastward from the above described line is the part we wish it in Justice think ought to be formed into a Separate county and we your petitioners as in duty bound shall ever pray. 1799 SUMNER COUNTY, TN by Wanda Gant [some names illegible & not included] [as always, check the original record for accuracy]... William Loving..." plus 163 signatures. I have previously mentioned the following records: "Maury Co., TN Cancery Court Records 1810-1890, V. I: p. 178: Joseph Hackney, Dec. 1824. Hackney guardian of David Loving, Malinda Loving, Henry Loving... Deed of Conveyance: William Roper to William Loving 10 Sep 1817, 48 acres, on east fork of Big Tombigby Creek- mistake in boundaries." "Maury Co. Court Minutes: Will of William Loving, Sr. 3 Feb 1826. Wit: William X Roper Settlement with William Rutledge, adm. of John Edleman, decd, 22 Feb 1826 ... T. Roper" "In deed book records, Vol 1, Book V, page 602, Wayne Co TN. is recorded a power of attorney by Henry Loving, granting power of attorney to Tennessee Roper. Recorded 1-6-1839. The record says that Henry empowers Roper to attempt recovery for Henry of his rightful share of the estate of William Loving Sr. Henry attested to the power of attorney in Wayne County, TN. on 10-29-1839. On 11-1-1839, David Loving attested in Wayne Co. that his brother Henry was 21 yrs old on 10-25-1839. A witness to Henry's attachment was G. G. Grimes referred to later in the Document as Green Grimes." With the additional information on the Loving family in Sumner County, these Maury and Wayne County records now have more significance. The William Loving who died in Maury County would be the son of Henry Roper of Sumner County. William Loving named a child Henry in honor of his own father, just as Walter Loving and Dolly Stone named a son Henry H. Loving. William Loving must have been a good friend of William Roper, probably having met his family in Sumner County, buying property from William Roper in Maury County, and then asking William Roper to be the witness to his will. To top it off, Tennessee Roper, probable son of William Roper, who has moved to Wayne County, TN, represented the child Henry in recovering his inheritance from his father William. 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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1921.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: One curiosity is John YATES' absence from Jemima YATES' household in 1830 when John YATES was then still living. The pension records indicate in several places that John YATES' date of death was 16 Dec 1835. Moreover, John YATES is shown to have testified in open court in Wilkes County on 04 Nov 1834. It seems most likely that John YATES was living with his son Tilman YATES at the date of the 1830 Census. Tilman YATES' 1830 Census record shows: Tilman YATES: 0 - 0 - 0 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Wilkes, NC 1830] See: "United States Census, 1830," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHPV-VTG : accessed 06 Jun 2014), Tillman Yates, Not Stated, Wilkes, North Carolina; citing "1830 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 398, NARA microfilm publication M19, roll 125, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0018091. The eldest male in this household is shown to be age 70 to 79, which is consistent with John YATES' age in 1830. Note that there are ZERO females residing in Tilman YATES' household. It may be that Tilman inhabited John ROPER's land and farm and it was decided that Jemima could get better care given her blindness in the care of David YATES' family which seems to have included David's wife and four granddaughters. * * * In 1840, the older male is no longer residing in Tilman YATES' household: Tilman YATES: 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Wilkes, NC 1840] See: "United States Census, 1840," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHYJ-K1G : accessed 06 Jun 2014), Tilmon Yates, Wheelers District, Wilkes, North Carolina; citing "1840 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 97, NARA microfilm publication M704, roll 373, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0018098. Tilman YATES is shown to be age 30 to 29 (b abt 1801-10). Other records show that Tilman YATES was remarried on 15 Apr 1831 to Polly BUMGARNER. See: "North Carolina, County Marriages, 1762-1979 ," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XF9T-F2P : accessed 06 Jun 2014), Tilman Yates and Polly Bumgarner, 15 Apr 1831; citing Wilkes, North Carolina, United States; FHL microfilm 000546481. * * * The 1850 Census shows Tilman YATES to be age 49. Interestingly, one of Tilman's sons is named "Jesse", a common given name in Charles ROPER's family, as well as Jesse ROPER, of Chesterfield and Richmond. There was also a Jesse ROPER in Pennsylvania. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1919.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Frank: You seem to have recently taken greater interest in John Y. ROPER, of Sumner, TN. To the extent that you are interested in discovering John Y. ROPER's place of birth, it seems to me that his extant War of 1812 Land Bounty Application would be the place to begin. You have recently come to appreciate the wealth of information appearing within the primary records within the Revolutionary Pension applications. We cannot know without obtaining and inspecting this record, but the record is available through the National Archives. See my prior post: "War of 1812 Land Bounty Application of John Y. ROPER (b abt 1794 - NC)" (9 Apr 2014 6:30PM) http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.roper/1875.4/mb.ashx Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Rosser, Rosher, Roziar Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1919.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Frank: I suspect that the purported place of the ROPER - ABERNATHY marriage as being in "Robertson, NC" was simply INVENTED by a dishonest researcher to support the assertion that David Y. ROPER was a son of William and Kesiah Yates ROPER. There is an anomalous 1810 Census record in Robeson County, North Carolina, which appears to show a William ROPER living there. The record is indexed as ROPER, but closer scrutiny shows some uncertainty as to whether the third letter of the surname is a "p" or an "ss". The record shows: Wm. ROSSER: 0 - 0 - 3 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 [Robeson, NC 1810] See: The three males are shown to be age 18 to 25 (b abt 1795-1802). There is a female age 45 or more, possibly William ROSSER's widowed mother. The handwriting of this Census enumerator is all over the map. Compare the "s" in John KENSEY at the top of the page. Note the two difference ways to form an "s" as shown in Charles COUNSEL several records above. Note the appearance of the double "ss" in Mark RUSSEL. Compare the variation in the formation of the "p" in Spenser PORTER with the "p" in the name Margaret CAMPBLE at the bottom of the page. It doesn't get any better on adjacent pages. Examples of anomalous "s" can be found within WEST on Image 5 and BEST on Image 6. Another "ss" appears within MESSER on Image 5. The enumerator's handwriting is both horrid and varied! * * * In 1820, there is a Willey ROSHER enumerated in Robison County, NC: Willey ROSHER: 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Robeson, NC 1820] See: Willey is shown to be age 26 to 44 (b abt 1776-94). Compare the "s" in ROSHER with the two "s" appearances in the name Joseph WILLISSON at the top of the same page. Then compare to the "s" in James CLIBURNE or Benjamin LEWIS. Others on this Census page include: Joseph WILLISON Jacob FREEMAN George JEKMAN?? James CLIBURNE Benjamin LEWIS Wm. WATTERS Willey ROSHER: 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Robeson, NC 1820] William TOWNSEND John BIGGS Charles BARKER John GREENDINE?? Jas. GREENDINE?? Josiah GRANTHAM Nathan BARRIT Jeremiah STORM Millisechia?? WYSHART Jordan RAWLS [Ancestry Image 27 of 33] * * * In 1830, a Willey ROSHER is found in Robeson County: Willey ROSHER: 3 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Robeson, NC 1830] See: Note that this Willey ROSHER is shown to be age 40 to 49 (1781-90), so he is far too young to be the William ROPER who married Kesiah YATES even if he was a ROPER at all. The handwriting of this Census enumerator is particularly problematic because it is not always consistent. Compare the "s' in the name ROSHER with the "s" appearing twice in the name Isham LUCAS two entries later. But then compare with the "s" in the name Josiah TAYLOR at the bottom of this Census page [Image 89 of 90]. For double "ss", look at the names Jesse BRILL, Catharine RUSSEL and Milby MUSSELWHITE on this same page. For a "p", compare with Celia POPE also on this page. The adjacent records are Jarvis H. HAMANS Charles BARKER Mary MERCER Celia POPE Elizabeth DAVIS Sintha LUCY Catharine RUSSEL Joseph GLOVIER Revd. Francis C. SPRAGAN Elijah HAMANS Mary DAVIS Willey ROSHER: 3 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Robeson, NC 1830] Ann WILLIS Isham LUCAS Milby MUSSELWHITE James KING Josiah TAYLOR I am left with the indelible conclusion that this record says ROSHER, which may actually be a variant on ROSIER or ROZIER. * * * * * The 1800 Census for Robeson County is in quasi alphabetical order, so it is impossible to discern anything meaningful as to proximity of adjacent records. The "R"s begin at Image 61 of 76 in 1800. There are three ROZIAR records at Image 62. These include: Mary ROZIAR:... 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Robeson, NC 1800] Reubin ROZIAR: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 1 [Robeson, NC 1800] David ROZIAR: 3 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Robeson, NC 1800] I believe that it is most likely that the ambiguous William ROSSER from 1810 ais likely to be one of the three sons shown within the 1800 Census record of David ROZIAR and that these sons are living with their widowed mother ten years later. In my view, it is unimportant to resolve this issue for the ROZIER/ROZIAR family. It is enough to REJECT the likelihood that William ROSSER/ROSHER is a ROPER and that his appearance in Robeson County might provide the "missing link" to support the fraudulent ascription of David Y. ROPER as a son of William ROPER. Unless someone can come forward with some actual evidence as to the purported place of marriage of David ROPER and Dionysia ABERNATHY, I believe we should REJECT Robeson, NC, as the place of marriage. Similarly, I believe that we should REJECT Robertson County, TN, as the place of marriage absent some more persuasive primary evidence. While I think that we lack sufficient evidence to make a conclusive ascription, that it is MOST LIKELY that David Y. ROPER and Dionysia ABERNATHY married in North Carolina rather than Tennessee. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Abernathy, Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1919.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Frank: Thank you for the more fulsome account of the ABERNATHY clan. My response to your Query as to the correct reading of the challenging materials in David ABERNATHY's Pension file are given below. > This is what the transcriber came up with: "I was called into service living in Lincoln, North > Carolina from thence I moved to Tennessee Giles County where I now live & have lived > three years last past". I believe that Will GRAVES mostly got this text correct. I read this passage in the file to say: "I was when called into service living in Lincoln North Carolina from there [or "thence"] I moved to Tennessee Giles County as here I now live have lived for three years last past." For the benefit of others, Frank and I are referring to the Pension application of David ABERNATHY found within the collection at Ancestry shown as "U.S., Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty-Land Warrant Application Files, 1800-1900." This passage appears at Ancestry.com Image 81 of 721. * * * You stated: > First, this transcription can't be correct because David Abernathy and his brother Joseph can > both be seen in the 1820 Giles County, TN census, 12 years before the 1832 Pension > application. I further discuss the Census evidence below, but it supports rather than contradicts this reading of the pension application materials. * * * > The key words in the transcription that may be wrong are "three years last past". > The first two letters appear to be a "th" if you compare those letters with the numerous "the" > in the application. Thus, the word could be "three", "thirteen", or "thirty". To me, the word > looks more like "thirty", but, being human, I may be biased in in wanting a certain outcome. > There also appears to be a "dot" above the word, which might indicate a "i" in the word. > The "dot" is not shown in the area where the "i" would be located, but this particular scribe > appears to be a little sloppy about where he dots his "i"s, as if he is adding them after he > writes the full word. > I mentioned above that the word can't be "three". The same reasoning would apply for > the word "thirteen", since David and his family are clearly settled into Giles County by 1820. > So by the process of elimination, it appears to be the word "thirty". However, I would like > other opinions on this. In analyzing the difficult text, I prefer to remain focused on the letters and then let the other primary documents give us separate independent evidence. I AGREE with your assessment as to the first two letters ("th") and also agree that the text is very hard to make out. But there are several things about the text that seem to me to support Will GRAVES' reading. First, I think that the word following is sufficiently distinct in saying "years", thus truncating the previous word at a length that appears to be about five letters. This alone seems to me to preclude possibilities such as "thirteen" or "twelve" (if one admits the possibility that the second letter might be something other than an "h"). Second, both twenty and thirty have both a "t" and a "y". I cannot see a way to make out either a "t" or a "y" out of the letters at the end of the word once the distinct "y" at the beginning of the following word is ascribed to make the word "years". The word seems too long to say "two" or "ten". By contrast, "three" has ending letters "e" which are often indistinct when written in cursive. I think most of the other ink in the ending letters is simply bleed through from the ink written on the reverse of the paper. So I believe that this word says "three" without regard to the other evidence. * * * * * Turning to the Census, I believe that you are misreading the 1820 Census returns for Giles and IGNORING the evidence from Lincoln, NC. In Giles, Tennessee in 1820, I see these adjacent records including a David ABERNATHY: Joseph ABERNATHY: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 5 - 0 - 0 -- 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 [Giles, Tn 1820] David ABERNATHY:. 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 3 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Giles, Tn 1820] David ABERNATHY of Giles, Tennessee, in 1820, is shown to be age 26 to 44 (b abt 1776-94), much too young to be the Revolutionary War Veteran who was shown to be born 29 Jul 1759. * * * Here is what I have for the 1790 Census data for Ninth Company, Lincoln, NC: Jno ABERNATHY:.. 1 - 0 - 5 -- 1 [Lincoln, NC 1790] [Image 6 of 11 for Lincoln, NC, at Ancestry.com] B. ABERNATHY:... 1 - 2 - 3 -- 1 [Lincoln, NC 1790] Susan ABERNATHY: 2 - 2 - 1 -- 2 [Lincoln, NC 1790] Jos. ABERNATHY:. 1 - 0 - 7 -- 0 [Lincoln, NC 1790] David ABERNATHY: 1 - 2 - 3 -- 2 [Lincoln, NC 1790] Jno. ABERNATHY:. 1 - 0 - 6 -- 1 [Lincoln, NC 1790] Sarah ABERNATHY: 5 - 0 - 1 -- 11 [Lincoln, NC 1790] Jas. ABERNATHY:. 1 - 0 - 4 -- 0 [Lincoln, NC 1790] David ABERNATHY, Sr.: 3 - 1 - 2 -- 18 [Lincoln, NC 1790] Robt. ABERNATHY: 1 - 1 - 5 -- 1 [Lincoln, NC 1790] [Image 7 of 11 for Lincoln, NC, at Ancestry.com] Charles ABERNATHY: 1 - 3 - 3 -- 1 [Lincoln, NC 1790] Wm. ABERNATHY:.... 1 - 3 - 3 -- 0 [Lincoln, NC 1790] [Image 8 of 11 for Lincoln, NC, at Ancestry.com] That is a LOT of ABERNATHYs!! * * * * * These are clusters of ABERNATHYs in Lincoln, NC, in 1800 U.S. Census which include a David ABERNATHY: Martha ABERNATHY:. 6 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 2 [Lincoln, NC 1800] Smith ABERNATHY:.. 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 3 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Lincoln, NC 1800] Billy ABERNATHY:.. 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 5 [Lincoln, NC 1800] Jms ABERNATHY:.... 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 2 [Lincoln, NC 1800] David ABERNATHY:.. 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 3 [Lincoln, NC 1800] [Image 27 of 101 for Lincoln, NC, at Ancestry.com] * * John ABERNATHY:... 3 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 3 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 2 [Lincoln, NC 1800] Henson ABERNATHY:. 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 2 [Lincoln, NC 1800] John ABERNATHY:... 3 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 2 [Lincoln, NC 1800] David ABERNATHY:.. 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 15 [Lincoln, NC 1800] Turner ABERNATHY:. 3 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 3 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 5 [Lincoln, NC 1800] Jonas ABERNATHY:.. 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 3 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 1 [Lincoln, NC 1800] John ABERNATHY:... 3 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 4 [Lincoln, NC 1800] Robert ABERNATHY:. 1 - 4 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 16 [Lincoln, NC 1800] Sarah ABERNATHY:.. 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 2 -- 0 - 10 [Lincoln, NC 1800] Battee ABERNATHY:. 4 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 3 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 7 [Lincoln, NC 1800] Sterling ABERNATHY: 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 2 [Lincoln, NC 1800] Wm. ABERNATHY:.... 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 2 [Lincoln, NC 1800] David ABERNATHY:.. 4 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 2 [Lincoln, NC 1800] Sally ABERNATHY:.. 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 2 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 5 [Lincoln, NC 1800] [Image 37 of 101 for Lincoln, NC, at Ancestry.com] * * Charles ABERNATHY: 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 3 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Lincoln, NC 1800] David ABERNATHY:.. 3 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 2 [Lincoln, NC 1800] Orban ABERNATHY:.. 0 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 1 -- 2 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 [Lincoln, NC 1800] [Image 43 of 101 for Lincoln, NC, at Ancestry.com] NOTE: This may NOT be ALL of the ABERNATHYs in Lincoln, but these are the clusters that include a David ABERNATHY in 1800. * * * * * In 1810, there are two clusters in Lincoln which include a David ABERNATHY: David ABERNATHY:.. 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 1 -- 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 12 [Lincoln, NC 1810] William ABERNATHY: 4 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 7 [Lincoln, NC 1810] Turner ABERNATHY:. 2 - 0 - 3 - 1 - 0 -- 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 8 [Lincoln, NC 1810] Moses ABERNATHY:.. 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 6 [Lincoln, NC 1810] Capt ROZELES District, Lincoln County, NC * * * David ABERNATHY:.. 3 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 2 [Lincoln, NC 1810] Nathan ABERNATHY:. 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Lincoln, NC 1810] James ABERNATHY:.. 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Lincoln, NC 1810] Charles ABERNATHY: 3 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 3 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Lincoln, NC 1810] William ABERNATHY: 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 1 -- 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 -- 0 - 0 [Lincoln, NC 1810] Captain DELLINGER's District * * * * * In 1820, there is still a David ABERNATHY residing in Lincoln: David ABERNATHY:. 0 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 0 - 1 -- 3 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 [Lincoln, NC 1820] James ABERNATHY:. 1 - 3 - 1 - 2 - 0 - 1 -- 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 1 - 2 -- 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 [Lincoln, NC 1820] Miles ABERNATHY:. 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 4 - 2 - 2 - 0 -- 4 - 3 - 2 - 0 [Lincoln, NC 1820] William ABERNATHY: 1 - 1 - 1 - 3 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 2 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 7 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 9 - 3 - 1 - 0 [Lincoln, NC 1820] * * * * * Given that David ABERNATHY the Revolutionary War Veteran is shown to have been born born 29 Jul 1759, he would have been age 26 to 44 in 1800 and age 45 or more in 1810 and 1820. When combined with the information from the David ABERNATHY Will executed in 1808 and probated in 1814, it seems to me that these two Census records must pertain to the elder David ABERNATHY: David ABERNATHY, Sr.: 3 - 1 - 2 -- 18 [Lincoln, NC 1790] David ABERNATHY:.. 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 15 [Lincoln, NC 1800] David ABERNATHY:.. 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 1 -- 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 12 [Lincoln, NC 1810] * I am inclined to suspect that the Revolutionary War Veteran was the David ABERNATHY shown in this same cluster who is shown to be age 26 to 44: David ABERNATHY:.. 4 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 2 [Lincoln, NC 1800] This would seem to be the Revolutionary War Veteran's 1820 Census record: David ABERNATHY:. 0 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 0 - 1 -- 3 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 [Lincoln, NC 1820] * * * * * It appears to me that the ABERNATHY family is sufficiently large that sorting out all of the relationships is going to be quite a chore! I believe that the David ABERNATHY probably arrived in Giles about 1829 well AFTER the arrival of some of his children there. * * * * * I find the asserted date of the a marriage between David Y. ROPER and Dionysia ABERNATHY to be credible and consistent with the reported dates of birth of the eldest of the asserted children. The PLACE of marriage by contrast is NOT credible. First, there is NO Robertson County, NC. There is a Robertson County, TN. There is a Robeson County, North Carolina. I will discuss the asserted place of marriage in another later post. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Yates Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1921/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Jemima ROPER is known to have married John YATES on 08 Mar 1779. See: "North Carolina, County Marriages, 1762-1979 ," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XF9X-9QZ : accessed 06 Jun 2014), John Yeats and Jemima Ropper, 08 Mar 1779; citing Caswell, North Carolina, United States; FHL microfilm 000478488. * * * * * Within Jemima YATES' Revolutionary War Pension Application, the date of her husband John YATES' death is expressly given as 16 Dec 1835. John YATES is shown to have served within the Company of Captain HARGROVE. A certified copy of the Caswell County marriage bond of John YATES and Jemima ROPER appears within the pension file. It shows the date of the marriage bond to be 08 Mar 1779 and is signed (by MARK) by John YATES and James ROPER. John YATES testified in open court in Wilkes County on 04 Nov 1834 in support of his pension application. He stated that he was then age 79 (b abt 1755). I am only briefly abstracting John YATES Pension Application, which is one of the richest primary documents I have seen in terms of its description of his wartime service. John YATES volunteered to serve with a company commanded by Captain Francis HARGROVE and Lieutenant Lewis DeMOSS to protect settlements in what was then Ashe County and later became Wilkes County, NC. HARGROVE's Company later was commanded to join with the forces of Gen. Griffith RUTHERFORD for a campaign against the Indians to the West of the Blue Ridge Mountains. [This is really fascinating reading and any descendant of John YATES who fails to avail themselves of the PRIMARY DOCUMENTS is cheating themselves of their rich family heritage!] John YATES volunteered a second time and served under the command of Captain Benjamin CLEVELAND. John YATES seems to have volunteered for a third tour under the command of Captain David VIARS?? at Wilkes Court House in 1780. "This declarant was born in the County of Pittsylvania in the State of Virginia in the month of March 1754 as he was informed by his mother, but has no record of his age, nor never had. He was living in Surry County now Wilkes North Carolina when he was called into service, and has continued to live in the same county ever since." After John YATES' mark, there is the following additional written interlineation: "Add under his signature that his widow states she was married to him 2 or 3 years prior to the Battle of Kings Mountain in Orange County Virginia in a short time moved to North Carolina. John Yates Died December 16, 1835." John YATES' application was further supported by the depositions of Moses WATERS (who seems to have served with YATES under Captain HARGROVE), David LAWS (who served with YATES under Captain CLEVELAND), and William VIARS?? (who served with YATES under Captain David VIARS??). Thomas FLETCHER, a clergyman (denomination not shown) also attested to John YATES' character. Jemima Roper YATES appeared in Wilkes County Court on 18 May 1841 in support of her own widow's application. She then stated that she was "eighty two or three years of age, being as near as she can recollect". "She further declared that she was married to the said John YATES some two or three years before the battle of Kings Mountain in Orange County Virginia and removed a short time after their marriage to North Carolina where she has remained ever since. She further states that her husband John YATES died in the month of December 1825, and that she has remained a widow ever since that period as will more fully appear by reference to the proof hereto annexed. She further declared that she has lost her sight, and is so old and infirm that she cannot possibly go to the Court house; neither has she been able for some years to leave her house." Jemima signed her declaration with her mark. >From what I garner from the Pension file, Jemima YATES' pension wasn't granted immediately due to doubt about the fact of her marriage. This, in turn, is probably owing to her assertion that she was married in Orange County, VIRGINIA. The extant Caswell County, North Carolina, marriage bond obtained by John YATES with support of bondsman James ROPER, may reflect that John YATES was already resident in North Carolina, while Jemima was then still residing in VIRGINIA. The marriage may have taken place in Virginia at the bride's home or place of worship rather than in Caswell County, North Carolina, with the bride and groom oblivious to the distinction of the state and county boundaries. Since Orange County, Virginia, is well to the North, Jemima's testimony as to where the marriage took place may also simply reflect poor appreciation of geography. Caswell County was created out of Orange County, North Carolina. Pittsylvania County was created out of Halifax County, Virginia. ROPERs seem to have resided in Halifax County and also in Caswell County, with the Caswell presence on Rattlesnake Creek, a tributary of the Dan River, which flows near the VA-NC state border and crosses the state border more than once. Moreover, Jemima tells us she "removed a short time after their marriage to North Carolina where she has remained ever since." John YATES testified "He was living in Surry County now Wilkes North Carolina when he was called into service." But John YATES was first called to service in 1776. Thus, he seems to have been ALREADY living in Surrey, later Wilkes County, PRIOR to his marriage to Jemima and for Jemima, the move to North Carolina was her relocation WELL AWAY from where she grew up near the Dan River to the headwaters of the Yadkin River in Wilkes County, NC. * * * * * John YATES is shown within a list of names of heads of families in Brown's District, Wilkes County, in 1787, showing that John YATES household consisted of ONE (1) White Males age 21 to 60, FOUR (4) White Males Under age 21 OR over 60 and TWO (2) White Females. John YATES' growing family is reflected in the 1790 Census returns, where he is enumerated residing within the Third Company in Wilkes County, North Carolina. John YATES: 1 - 4 - 3 -- 0 - 0 [Wilkes, NC 1790] See: "United States Census, 1790," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHKB-5FM : accessed 06 Jun 2014), Jno Yates, Not Stated, Wilkes, North Carolina; citing "1790 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 152, line 30924, NARA microfilm publication M637, roll 7, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 00095. A Matt FRANCIS and a William FRANCIS are also enumerated on this page, with Matt immediately preceding John YATES and William just two records away from John YATES. Also enumerated on this same Census page is a second John YATES, as well as a William YATES and a James YATES. There are several members of the BROWN, JACKSON and HAYS families in this Company, as well. George McNEEL Robt BINGHAM Ben SMITH Peter GWIN Matt FRANCIS Jno YATES: 1 - 4 - 3 -- 0 - 0 [Wilkes, NC 1790] Elias PINCER Wm. FRANCIS Andw. BAKER Jas. ROBERTS Phil CHURCH Amos CHURCH * * * In 1800, the Wilkes Census returns are quasi alphabetical, so no proximity information is implied in the compilation. There are again several YATES households. These include: John YATES: 0 - 0 - 3 - 0 - 1 -- 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Wilkes, NC 1800] William YATES: 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 1 - 0 - 3 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 [Wilkes, NC 1800] John YATES: 2 - 0 - 0 - 2 - 0 -- 3 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Wilkes, NC 1800] William YATES: 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Wilkes, NC 1800] Richard YATES: 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Wilkes, NC 1800] See: "United States Census, 1800," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHRW-6Y2 : accessed 06 Jun 2014), John Yates, Morgan, Wilkes, North Carolina; citing "1800 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 69, NARA microfilm publication M32, roll 33, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 337909. John YATES is shown to be age 45 or more (b bef 1756) in this record. By contrast, the eldest female in the household is shown to be age 26 to 44 (b abt 1756-74). * * * John YATES is again enumerated in Wilkes County in 1810: John YATES: 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 -- 1 - 1 - 2 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 1 [Wilkes, NC 1810] See: "United States Census, 1810," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XH2V-ZHS : accessed 06 Jun 2014), John Yates, Wilkesborough, Wilkes, North Carolina; citing "1810 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 893, line 1030, NARA microfilm publication M252, roll 43, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0337916. In the immediately following record is a Hugh YATES. (Hugh YATES is enumerated in the 1850 Census in Wilkes, NC, at age 72.) Hugh YATES: 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Wilkes, NC 1810] John YATES is shown to be age 45 or more (b bef 1766) in this record, as is the eldest female in the household. * * * The correct Census record for John YATES in 1820 is a little less certain. Although there is both a John YATES and a John YATES Jr. in Wilkes County, with the elder of these age 45 or more, the eldest female in the elder John YATES household is shown to be only age 26 to 44. Still, this appears to be the correct record. John YATES: 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 3 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Wilkes, NC 1820] John YATES Jr: 4 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 4 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 [Wilkes, NC 1820] See: "United States Census, 1820," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHLX-NQ5 : accessed 06 Jun 2014), John Yates, Not Stated, Wilkes, North Carolina; citing "1820 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 523, NARA microfilm publication M33, roll 83, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0162799. This list seems to be quasi alphabetical by FIRST NAME, so proximity may NOT be implied. * * * Curiously, Jemima Roper YATES is shown head of household in the 1830 Census enumerated adjacent to David YATES: David YATES: 0 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Wilkes, NC 1830] Jemima YATES: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Wilkes, NC 1830] See: "United States Census, 1830," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHPV-JFV : accessed 06 Jun 2014), Jemima Yates, Not Stated, Wilkes, North Carolina; citing "1830 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 348, NARA microfilm publication M19, roll 125, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0018091. This record is curious because John YATES was still living at the date of this record. Jemima YATES is shown to be age 60 to 69 (b abt 1761-70). (Jemima's age appears to be understated.) David YATES owns four slaves. Jemima owns NONE. * * * In 1840, Jemima YATES is enumerated within the Census record of David YATES, but is also expressly shown within the Census as a Revolutionary War Pensioner and her age is given as 85: David YATES: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 [Wilkes, NC 1840] See: "United States Census, 1840," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHYJ-2XX : accessed 06 Jun 2014), Jemima Yates, Mc Niels District, Wilkes, North Carolina; citing "1840 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 91, NARA microfilm publication M704, roll 373, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0018098. * * * In 1850, Jemima YATES is still living and is enumerated at age 95 residing within the household of David YATES, age 58. Jemima is shown to have been born in VIRGINIA. David YATES is shown to have been born in Wilkes County, NC. (County of birth is given for North Carolina born Wilkes County residents.) See: "United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M4BL-T9H : accessed 06 Jun 2014), Jimima Yates in household of David Yates, Wilkes county, Wilkes, North Carolina, United States; citing family 711, NARA microfilm publication M432. * * * * * The single most concrete date we have for Jemima ROPER is the date of her marriage bond on 08 Mar 1779. * * * There are three specific testimonial indications of Jemima's year of birth. Jemima stated in her pension application on 18 May 1841 that she was "eighty two or three years of age, being as near as she can recollect." This would put Jemima's year of birth at 1758-9. Jemima's age was given as 85 in 1840 (b abt 1755) and as 95 (b abt 1755) in 1850 when she was residing with her son David YATES. Even though David ROPER's report was consistent, I am more inclined to find Jemima's 1841 testimony to be more trustworthy. In 1800, John YATES' Census record shows the eldest female to be age 26 to 44 (b abt 1756-74). Then in 1810, Jemima was shown to be age 45 or more (b bef 1766). The 1820 Census record is anomalous. It seems to show Jemima to be age 26 to 44 (b abt 1776-1794), which certainly cannot be correct. In 1830, Jemima seems to have reported her age to the Census Bureau as 60 to 69 (b abt 1761-70). I suspect that she shaved a few years OFF her age that year. Thus we have these various reports: 1800: b abt 1756-74 1810: b bef 1766 1820: b abt 1776-1794 1830: b abt 1761-70 1840: b abt 1755 1850: b abt 1755 In my view, the 1820 report is completely anomalous and can be discarded. I am inclined to place MORE WEIGHT on the 1800 and 1810 Census reports during John YATES' lifetime, which would fix Jemima's age between 1756 and 1766. If Jemima was born in 1755, she would have been about age 24 at her marriage, which was pretty ancient in those days. By contrast, if she was born in 1758 or 1759, she would have been about age 20 or 21, which seems more consistent with Colonial era marriage practices. Since the age Jemima gave under oath in 1841 is consistent with the 1800 and 1810 Census reports, very close to what was reported in 1830 and more consistent with common ages of females at marriage, I believe that the 1758-9 year of birth would be the best estimate. Although I have shown a date of death for Jemima, this date is from a secondary source and I do NOT know of any primary source confirming this date. However, this date seems credible and realistic given Jemima's age and I doubt we are likely to find a much better date. It should be noted that Jemima Roper YATES' 1850 Census record identifies her place of birth as VIRGINIA rather than North Carolina. I do NOT believe that this should be dismissed lightly. Taken together with Jemima's testimony that she relocated to North Carolina AFTER her marriage, there is at least some reason to wonder whether she grew up on Rattlesnake Creek or, instead, well within Halifax or another nearby Virginia County. Someone really needs to make a careful inspection of the deed records in Halifax, Pittsylvania and other Virginia counties. ROPERs and YATES may very well have been immediately adjacent in VIRGINIA rather than in North Carolina. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: batchelorw Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1919.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: David Y. Roper is considered to have married Dionysia Abernathy, daughter of David Abernathy, Jr. b. abt. 1759, Dinwiddie, VA. Secondary sources state that they married on October 27, 1809 in Robertson County, NC. I have never seen a marriage record documenting this marriage date and location. David Abernathy, Jr. was the son of David Abernathy, Sr. Secondary sources state that David Abernathy, Sr. was born on May 28, 1726 in Bristol Parish, Prince George, VA, and died on February 19, 1814 in Lincoln County, NC. I have not independently investigated this information and have nothing to offer at present on its accuracy. However, that a David Abernathy was the father of David Abernathy of Giles County, TN appears to be supported by extant records. David Abernathy, Sr. left a will which has been transcribed and can be found on Ancestry.com. I have not seen the original image and cannot vouch for its accuracy of this transcription: "THE WILL OF DAVID ABERNETHY As to such worldly estate wherewith it has pleased Got to bless me, I do give and bequeath in the following manner, viz: The land I live on, negroes, horses, cattle, hogs and sheep, household furniture of every description and all my property I may die possessed of, I allow my beloved wife, Ann to have the rest of and for during her natural life if she should live longer than me. Having heretofore given unto my children, Joseph, Robert, Patsy, David, John D., Turner, William and Moses Abernethy, Nancy Forney, Betsy Perkins, all the property I intend to give them and which I judge to be consistent with my circumstances. And considering my son, Miles, having charge of myself and his mother, in our old age, after my own and my wife's death, I do hereby give and bequeath unto my son , Miles, his heirs and assigns forever, the plantation on which I live, supposed to contain 220 acres or thereabouts, joining lines with Turner A., William A., Richard Rosedale and Peter Forney's land, the following negroes, viz: Tom, Jimmy, Antony, Aleck, Eddie, Wenny, Lizzie, Matt, Olive and Louisa together with their increase, if any; 8 head of horse creatures, all my cattle, sheep and hogs, household furniture and farming utensils and property of every description of which I might die possessed although not mentioned or specified, I do bequeath unto my son Miles, after my wife's, Ann's, decease (if she should live longer than me). The funeral expenses of myself and wife and all my just debts to be paid out of my estate in the first place. Lastly, I do appoint, nominate and constitute my son, Moses, and Peter Forney, son-in-law, executors of this my last will and testament. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my seal this twenty-fourth day of August 1808. (signed) David Abernethy Signed and sealed in the presence of - E. Graham Samuel Saunders John L Graham Filed for probate September 1814". >From this Will, we learn the following: David Abernethy had a son named David. David, along with all other children with the exception of Moses, had already received their bequests prior to the date of this will, 1808. David Abernethy, Sr., since he did not die until 1814, should still appear in the 1810 Lincoln County Census, as he would still be the owner of 220 acres. David Abernathy, Jr. is first seen in a Lincoln County, NC deed in 1785 (Ancestry.com): "6 Granted David Abernathy claiming 114 acres of land in Lincoln County on Hails (Hoils?) Creek joining low land of David Abernathy Sen January 8th 1785 11.14 Sterling" Two David Abernathy can be seen on the same page in the 1790 Lincoln County, NC census. This is the same census that a Thomas Roeper can be seen in residing next to a B. Abernathy. Three David Abernathy can be seen in the 1800 Lincoln County, NC census on Ancestry.com, one on page 27 and the other two on page 37. The one David Abernathy of page 27 has a confusing image: 1-0-0-1-?****0-0-1-0-0 This appears to be one male 26-44, one female 16-25, and one male child <10. However, there is a mark in the area where I have shown a question mark, which looks like a "1", but is slanted the wrong way. Ancestry.com is showing the interpretation as I am showing it. The two David Abernathy on page 37 are more likely the David Abernathy, Sr. and David Abernathy, Jr., although they are merely labeled David Abernathy: David Abernathy 0-0-0-0-1****0-0-0-0-1 (both 45 ) David Abernathy 4-1-0-1-0****1-1-0-1-0 The second of these two David Abernathy shows David as 26-44, his presumed wife as 26-44, four male children <10, one male 10-15, one female <10, and one female 10-15. The one female 10-15 could be Dionysia, although it is off one to two years based on other records. According to the 1850 Giles County, TN census, she was born in about 1784. However, her headstone shows she was 70 in 1853 when she died, which would make her born in 1783. These two David Roper on page 37 are nine houses apart. In between the two, we find Wm. Abernathy, Sterling Abernathy, Battee Abernathy, Sarah Abernathy, Robert Abernathy, Jonas Abernathy, and Turner Abernathy. There are also two more John Abernathy listed on the page. The 1810 Lincoln County, NC census shows only one David Abernathy: 0-0-1-1-1****1-0-1-0-1 This David Abernathy is 45 , with a wife 45 . There is a male 26-44, and a male 16-25. There is a female <10 and a female 16-25. This does not appear to be David Abernathy, Jr., if we have identified him correctly in the 1800 census. He had four male children <10 in 1800, and he only had one between 10-25 in 1810. Of course, it is possible that three of his male children could have died. On the same page, we again find William Abernathy, Turner Abernathy, and Moses Abernathy all residing together in a row with David Abernathy. Since Moses is now taking care of his father David Abernathy, as indicated in the 1808 will, this is ever further proof that the David Roper seen in the 1810 census is David Abernathy, Sr., and not David Abernathy, Jr. Determining where and when David Abernathy first appeared in Tennessee is a little more difficult, because of the paucity of records for Tennessee between 1800-1819. However, there are some records. I mentioned this secondary source in an earlier post: "David and his brother, Joseph, came to TN on a scouting trip prior to 1800 and they both purchased land. He was in Maury Co. TN in 1810 for Charles Clayton Abernathy said that he and his mother spent the second night of their journey in White's Creek To Giles Co with David Abernathy, a distant cousin who lived on Big Creek." In partial support of this secondary information, I found the following posted on the internet when I googled Charles Clayton Abernathy: "The following was found in the papers of William Walker May (1908-1983), grandson of Susannah Harris Abernathy May, daughter of Charles Clayton Abernathy and Susannah Waddy Harris Abernathy and sister of the writer, A.J. Abernathy. I give the following history of the Abernathy family, as far back as I can, regretting that I did not receive further information from my father Charles C. Abernathy and his sister, Mrs. Susanna Abernathy (Aunt Sookie) while they lived. I have heard it stated as tradition in the family, that the Abernathys of the Southern States of the Union are the descendants of two brothers who came from Scotland and settled in Virginia at an early date. I remember to have heard my father say that he had never met one of the name, whom he could not trace back to this old Virginia source. My father's grandfather was named Charles Abernathy, and he was the earliest ancestor of whom I have any Knowledge. William Abernathy, my grandfather, was a son of Charles and Ellis (or Alice) Abernathy, born 4th day of April, 1742, baptized 13th day of June, 1742. (See Bristol Parish Register 1720-1789). William Abernathy intermarried with Elizabeth Clayton in Brunswick County, Virginia, where they reared a family of five sons and four daughters, names and dates of birth given below; they came from Virginia to Tennessee in 1808, having arrived at their home on White's Creek near Nashville on April 30, after having been on the road from March 17th since leaving Virginia- 1 month and 14 days . They were preceded by their son John, who started with part of his father's property Nov. 22, 1807, and arrived at White's Creek 31st January, 1808. They remained in Davidson County about two years when they removed to Giles County, bought land and settled the place on which Sidney Abernathy now resides, and where they lived and were buried . Grandfather William died February 8th, 1832, in his 90th year. Grandmother Elizabeth C. Abernathy died October 23rd, 1815." If this account is true, David Abernathy would have been in Giles County, TN by 1808. (Actually, Giles County, TN was carved out of Maury County in 1809). There is also information in the 1832 Giles County, TN Revolutionary Pension Application of David Abernathy which might be determinative of when David Abernathy arrived in Giles, TN. The Pension Application can be found on Ancestry.com. The problem is that the document is in poor condition and is very difficult to read. Will Graves made a courageous attempt at transcribing the Pension Application and that transcription is available at revwarapps.org. In that application on November 20,1832 in Giles County, TN, David Abernathy states he is 73 and was born on July 29, 1759 in Dinwiddie, VA. He also states that he was called into service when he was living in Lincoln County, NC and from there he moved to Giles County, TN. He also state when he moved to Giles County, TN, but it is difficult to read that paragraph. Bill, if you get the time, you might take a look at the Pension Application and give us your interpretation of what was written down. This is what the transcriber came up with: "I was called into service living in Lincoln, North Carolina from thence I moved to Tennessee Giles County where I now live & have lived three years last past". First, this transcription can't be correct because David Abernathy and his brother Joseph can both be seen in the 1820 Giles County, TN census, 12 years before the 1832 Pension application. The key words in the transcription that may be wrong are "three years last past". The first two letters appear to be a "th" if you compare those letters with the numerous "the" in the application. Thus, the word could be "three", "thirteen", or "thirty". To me, the word looks more like "thirty", but, being human, I may be biased in in wanting a certain outcome. There also appears to be a "dot" above the word, which might indicate a "i" in the word. The "dot" is not shown in the area where the "i" would be located, but this particular scribe appears to be a little sloppy about where he dots his "i"s, as if he is adding them after he writes the full word. I mentioned above that the word can't be "three". The same reasoning would apply for the word "thirteen", since David and his family are clearly settled into Giles County by 1820. So by the process of elimination, it appears to be the word "thirty". However, I would like other opinions on this. At the end of the application, David Abernathy is asked to give character references and the transcriber lists a "dated why Roper". The transcriber was obviously dictating this transcription for someone else to type, because if you look at the name it is clearly David Y. Roper. So, the best I can presently come up with is that David Abernathy probably arrived in Giles County (or Maury County), TN between 1801and 1809, and more probably before 1803 if the word in the Pension application is "thirty". In any case, the secondary source information which states that David Y. Roper and Dionysia Abernathy married in Robertson County, TN would appear to have no basis, as David Abernathy went directly from Lincoln County, TN to Giles County, TN. David Y. Roper and Dionysia do not seem to have had children before July 27, 1810, when the first of several children, Sina Roper, who has been attributed to them, was born. Sina Roper married Jessie Renfro on July 28, 1831 in Tennessee. Her headstone (which is not the same make and model as the headstones of David and Dionysia, which are the same) reads "SINIA RENFRO Was born July 21 1810 And Died December This 24th 1847". The secondary source information on the marriage date of David Y. Roper and Dionysia Abernathy of October 27. 1809 is just a few days short of 9 months. David and Dionysia would probably have started having children very soon after their marriage, which would indicate a marriage date somewhere in 1808 or 1809, based on Sinia's date of birth. (Secondary sources state that David Abernathy, Jr. and his wife Christine Forney had a daughter named Sina Amanda Abernathy, b. 26 Feb. 1787, Lincoln, NC; d. 26 Jan 1867, Giles, TN, who married a Matthew Monroe Johnson). If David Abernathy, Jr. arrived about 1801-1803 in what would then have been Maury County, TN, then it would appear more likely that David Y.Roper and Dionysia Abernathy married in Maury or Giles Tennessee, not Robertson County, NC. 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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: batchelorw Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1743.3.1.1.4.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Bill, I was aware that John A. Roper was shown in the 1830 Cumberland County, KY census. What I did not notice was the number of Hunter family members residing near him. I agree that those possible connections are worth exploring. I thought I had posted my current information on John A. Roper, but perhaps I did not. So I am going to paste the information here to make it readily accessible to anyone who has an interest. John A. Roper was named as executor of David Roper's estate. Oldest sons are for the most part named as the executors of their father's estates In the 1810 Cumberland, KY census, David Roper is shown with 3 male children under 10. One of those will be George W. Roper. Another will be John A. Roper. Charles J. Roper has not yet been born. The 1830 Cumberland, KY census does not show David Roper, since he has now moved to Tennessee. However, the 1830 Cumberland, KY census does show a John A. Roper as the head of a household: 1830 US census for KY: page Cumberland Co. John A. Roper 1M20-29,3F<5,1F5-9,1F20-29 John A. Roper next appears in the 1840 Liberty, Macon, Missouri census. He is shown as age 30-39, and his presumed wife is shown as 30-39. They have three children, all female, two of whom are age 10-14 and the other age 15-19. John A. Roper next appears in the 1850 District 52, Macon, Missouri census. He is shown as age 46, born abt 1804 in Virginia. His wife appears to be Patsy Roper, age 42, born about 1808 in Kentucky. They are shown with one daughter Elizabeth, age 20, born in Kentucky. A John Roper then appears in the 1860 La Plata, Macon, MO census, age 55, born abt. 1805 in Kentucky.(He is shown as being born in Virginia in the 1850 census) His wife is shown as Martha Roper (not Patsy), age 50, born abt. 1810, Kentucky. They are shown with no children. So apparently John A. Roper and his wife never had a son). Secondary sources show John A. Roper's wife to be Martha A. Patsy Murley, born December 22, 1807, Kentucky, and dying on November 15,1889, in Richland, Macon, MO. She is shown marrying John A. Roper in 1824 in Tennessee. Her parents are shown to be Daniel Murley, born February 28, 1788, Greenbrier, VA, d. Jan 16, Macon, Macon, MO, and Margaret Barrett Moore, b. Sept 22, 1885, VA; d. 1855, Macon, Macon, MO. Besides Martha Patsy Murley, they are shown with 7 other children, one of whom is Margaret Ann Peggy Murley, b. March 26, 1820, Cumberland, KY. Returning to primary sources, Daniel Murley is shown residing in Paoli, Cumberland, KY on August 7, 1820 in that years census. He and his presumed wife are shown as age 26-44, with three males under 10, two females under 10, and three females 10-15 (poor Margaret Barrett Moore). They have one slave. In the 1820 Paoli, Cumberland, KY census just mentioned, Daniel Murley is shown residing next door to David Roper, and 7 properties from Charles Lewis, probable brother of Nancy Lewis. Daniel Murley also appears in the 1830 South of Cumberland River, Cumberland, KY census. Daniel Murley is shown in a Kentucky Land Grant, Survey Date May 8, 1822, Monroe County, KY, with 50 acres, Book J. The water course is Kettle Creek. The Land Grant is shown in Vol. 1,Book J, page239. Daniel Murley is shown in the 1850 District 52, Macon, MO census as age 72, b. Virginia. His wife Margaret Murley is age 65, b. Virginia. He is shown with three children residing in the household. A James Murley, presumed son of Daniel, is residing next door, age 23, b. Kentucky. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1920.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: These ROPER households are shown in the 1790 U.S. Census for North Carolina: James ROPER: ..... 1 - 0 - 2 -- 0 - 0 [Burke, NC 1790] James ROPER:..... NO DATA [Caswell, NC 1790] William ROPER:... NO DATA [Caswell, NC 1790] Jesse ROPER: ..... 3 - 2 - 7 -- 0 - 0 [Cumberland, NC 1790] John ROPER: ...... 1 - 0 - 4 -- 0 - 3 [Edgecombe, Halifax, NC] Thos. ROEPER:..... 1 - 1 - 3 -- 0 - 0 [Lincoln, NC 1790] Ann ROPER: ....... 0 - 2 - 3 -- 0 - 0 [Northampton, NC 1790] James ROPER: ..... 1 - 1 - 2 -- 0 - 2 [Northampton, NC 1790] David ROPER Rev.: 1 - 1 - 5 -- 0 - 0 [Rutherford, NC 1790] Charles ROPER: ... 1 - 2 - 5 -- 0 - 0 [Rutherford, NC 1790] Meredith ROPER: .. 3 - 1 - 4 -- 0 - 0 [Rutherford, NC 1790] David ROPER Jr.: . 1 - 1 - 1 -- 0 - 0 [Rutherford, NC 1790] * * * These additional ROSSER households are shown in Chatham County, North Carolina, in 1790, and should NOT be confused as ROPERs: John ROSSER, Sr.: 1 - 0 - 3 - 0 -- 0 - 4 [Chatham, NC 1790] John ROSSER, Jr.: 1 - 3 - 6 - 0 -- 0 - 10 [Chatham, NC 1790] Wm. ROSSER: ...... 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 [Chatham, NC 1790] * * * * * NOTES [1] James ROPER (b abt 1766 - NC) is shown in the 1850 Census still residing in Burke County, NC. [2] Revolutionary War Veteran James ROPER (b abt 1756-60 - Caswell, NC, d 18 Nov 1835 - Simpson, KY) is known to have migrated from Caswell to Chester County, SC, about 1799. He then migrated to Logan, KY, about 1805, and is found in Simpson, KY, after this county was created from Logan County. James ROPER is found in the 1800 Census residing in Chester, SC, and the 1820 and 1830 Census, residing in Simpson, KY. The 1790 Census returns for Hillsborough, Caswell County, NC, seem to have been lost and the Tax Lists have been used as a substitute, but these Tax Lists seem also to have now been lost as to the underlying data. James ROPER seems to have shown up on the Tax List, but we do not know otherwise what else this Tax List revealed. See my thread: "James ROPER (b Jun 1745 - Caswell, NC, d 18 Nov 1835 - Simpson, KY)" (27 Nov 2012 7:23PM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1721/mb.ashx See also the transcription of James ROPER's Revolutionary War Pension Application No. R8996: http://revwarapps.org/r8996.pdf [3] William ROPER (b bef 1759) is found in the Tax Lists for Hillsborough, Caswell County, NC. The Census returns for Hillsborough seem to be lost. This is almost surely the William ROPER known to have married Keziah YATES. This William ROPER also appears in a number of other Caswell records, including deeds. Despite numerous specious and fraudulent ascriptions involving this William ROPER, there are NO KNOWN CHILDREN of William ROPER and Keziah YATES. This is NOT to say that William and Keziah ROPER had no children. Rather, that TO DATE no one has ever identified a single primary record which would seem to show that there are any offspring from this marriage. If someone tells you they are descended from this William ROPER be sure to ask them for some PROOF, since a lineage to this William ROPER is mostly an indication of intellectually lazy or dishonest genealogy! If anyone learns of actual proof that William and Keziah ROPER had any children, they are encouraged t! o Post the information right away. [4] This Jesse ROPER seems likely to be Jesse ROPER (b 31 May 1751,d bef 22 Jan 1810), son of Charles ROPER and Ann GOODWYN. Jesse and his wife Obedience ROPER migrated from Northampton, NC, to Cumberland, NC, where Jesse is found in the 1790 Census, as shown above, then to Lancaster District, SC, where he is enumerated in 1800. Jesse ROPER died before 22 Jan 1810 and his estate was probated in Mecklenburg County, NC. See my thread: "Jesse ROPER (b 31 May 1751,d bef 22 Jan 1810), son of Charles ROPER and Ann GOODWYN" (10 May 2014 8:12AM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1903/mb.ashx [5] John ROPER (d bef Aug 1797 - Halifax County, NC) died leaving a Will proved at the August Court 1797 Court for Halifax, NC. This Will identified John ROPER's widow Lucy and daughters Mary, Hulda, Elizabeth, Barbara, Zilpha, and Bethea. No sons are mentioned. The four eldest daughters were already married at John ROPER's death. See my thread: "Will of John ROPER or ROAPER (d bef Aug 1797 - Halifax County, NC)" (30 Jan 2013 10:53AM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1770/mb.ashx [6] Thomas ROEPER REEPER or ROPER, of Lincoln, NC, has mostly been overlooked because of both the misspelling of his surname and the fraudulent ascription of David Y. ROPER, of Giles, TN, as a son of William ROPER, of Caswell, NC. Lincoln, NC, was a natural place to look for additional data since David Y. ROPER was married to ABERNATHY, who is known to have grown up in Lincoln. Thomas ROEPER is enumerated in 1790 adjacent to B. ABERNATHY. Thomas Charles ROPER is known to have entered (occupied) lange in Lincoln in 1786, which land was granted by the State of North Carolina in 1790. [7] Ann ROPER is the widow of Richard ROPER. She is shown in a 1783 Tax List for Greensville County, Virginia. Ann and her children are named in the Will of Angelica LEWIS dated 20 Jan 1783. Ann ROPER's two sons were Thomas ROPER and Charles ROPER. Two of Ann's daughter were Retty (possibly Henrietta) ROPER and Sally ROPER. Richard ROPER has been the victim of some of the most egregious genealogical fraud. Although he seems to have died a young man leaving only minor children, the identities of which are ALL KNOWN from the Wills of their mother and grandmother, dishonest persons have nevertheless seized upon the murky intestacy in Greenville, VA, to ascribe a number of children and attributes to this man for which there has never existed a shred of valid evidence. Richard and Ann ROPER's children are first identified in the Northampton, NC, Will of Angelica LEWIS. Ann ROPER then again identifies her children in her own Northampton, NC, Will dated 10 Jul 1816. "North Carolina, Probate Records, 1735-1970," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1940-1022959-1-83?cc=1867501&wc=MDRN-PZ9:169791301,170370001 : accessed 21 Apr 2014), Northampton > Wills, 1808-1826, Vol. 03 > image 137 of 209. [8] The James ROPER found in Northampton, NC, in 1790 is most likely Revolutionary War Veteran James ROPER (b abt 1761-2, d 1833 - Richmond County, NC). See my thread: James ROPER (b abt 1761-2, d 1833 - Richmond County, NC) (24 Nov 2012 2:31PM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1718/mb.ashx See also this James ROPER's Revolutionary War Pension Application (S7413) as transcribed and abstracted by Will GRAVES: http://revwarapps.org/s7413.pdf There is also a small chance that this James ROPER may be Jesse and Obedience ROPER's son James ROPER (b abt 1769-74, d bef 24 Nov 1828), however this James ROPER may not have even been age 21 at the date of the 1790 Census and is more likely still residing within his parent's household in 1790. Jesse and Obedience had migrated from Northampton, NC, to Cumberland, NC, by 1790. [9] Rev. David ROPER, of Rutherford, NC, seems likely to be David ROPER (b 29 Jun 1742 - VA, d bef 10 Dec 1802 - SC), son of Charles and Ann ROPER. Some researchers claim that the "Rev." shown on the Census record reflects that this David ROPER was a Revolutionary War Veteran rather than a minister, however, these people cannot explain how it is that there were tens of thousands of other Revolutionary War Veterans in North Carolina who were NOT so noted in the Census Rolls and that the only OTHER persons enumerated in North Carolina shown with "Rev." on their Census records are KNOWN to have been ministers. [10] Charles ROPER, of Rutherford, is most likely Charles ROPER (b 19 Apr 1758, d 01 Mar 1837), son of Charles ROPER and Ann GOODWYN. This Charles ROPER is known to have married Elizabeth BUTLER. They had six children: Nancy ROPER (b 06 Apr 1777), Eliza ROPER, Martha ROPER, Joseph ROPER, Dolly ROPER and Goodwin ROPER. Eldest daughter Nancy ROPER married her first cousin Benjamin MOORE on 22 Dec 1796. Thus, in 1790, Charles ROPER ought to have had a wife, two sons and three daughters in his household, which is precisely the composition of the household of Charles ROPER, of Rutherford, NC. Charles ROPER is known to have later been a minister in Dinwiddie, VA. [11] Meredith ROPER is shown in the 1790 Census in Rutherford, NC, and in the 1800 Census residing in Pendleton District, SC. In the 1800 Census, he is shown to be age 45 or more (b bef 1755), but he is almost certainly much older than 45 by 1800. Meredith ROPER seems to be first mentioned in a Northampton, NC, land grant for Arthur HARRIS dated 25 May 1756 within which he is identified as a chain carrier for the survey conducted on 11 Apr 1752. It seems likely that Meredith would have been at least age fifteen by the date of the survey, though he wouldn't have necessarily reached majority. Thus, Meredith was probably born before 1737. Meredith ROPER is also shown as a chain carrier for surveys of land patented by David ROPER on Rattlesnake Creek. See L. David ROPER's exposition on Meredith ROPER: "The Mysterious Meredith/Meriday Roper in NC" http://www.roperld.com/rncmer.htm This sketch contains useful data about Meredith ROPER, but the speculative ascriptions and connections to the Charles City County ROPERs do not stand up to close scrutiny. [12] David ROPER Jr., of Rutherford, NC, seems likely to be Revolutionary War Veteran David ROPER (b Oct 1755 - NC, d 18 Nov 1835 - Pulaski, KY). * * * * * If you have some additional elaborating information about any of these ROPER households based upon primary sources, you are encouraged to post that information as a Reply. Those who disagree with an ascription are especially encouraged to post their views! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1920/mb.ashx Message Board Post: ROPERs settled in North Carolina at a very early date and there is a great deal of extant information about various ROPER families well before the first Census enumeration. Even so, much of this information has been used in support of speculative, whimsical or simply fraudulent lineages, which have been repeatedly republished on the Internet, as well as printed out and furnished to libraries to confuse and befuddle serious researchers. Often, the very same record is used to support more than one construction of family history. With the beginning of almost universal enumeration in the Census, beginning in 1790, we begin to see decennial indications of the presence of ROPER families in various places. While others have collected and posted some of this information, these compilations are often riddled with errors and mostly devoid of any thoughtful or serious analysis. In several posts to follow, I will endeavor to catalog the ROPER households shown in North Carolina from 1790 to 1840 and shown how these ROPERs are related to one another and to the records found in preceding and subsequent Census enumerations. Some of the analysis will no doubt be contentious, since I show no deference whatsoever to the fraudulent ascriptions which have no come to be commonly accepted. Other researchers are encouraged to refute, contest or take issue with, correct, amplify, elaborate or otherwise discuss any of the analysis posted. But please take care to make reference to primary records rather than simply something you read on someone else's website or within some post fraudulent lineage. Simply repeating unsupported, invented and often discredited assertions simply distinguishes you as a gullible person prone to gossip rather than as a serious genealogist. This is not to dismiss the importance of "family lore," which can certainly be helpful. But there is a big difference between the family lore that Great Aunt Sue told us that her great-grandfather was so and so, as compared to little Bobby discovered that everyone is descended from the (purely fictional) John ROPER, Jr., of New Kent, VA, when little Bobby was doing an Internet project for his third grade class. While I think that it is nice that little Bobby has taken an interest in family history, I am generally disinterested in what he has learned from the ocean of specious information about the ROPER family now washing across the Internet. If you are posting to tell me that you learned something important about any of these ROPER families from the thoroughly discredited ROPER family history GEDCOM files of L. David ROPER, please don't bother. I already KNOW what is in these files and have frequently sought to help correct the erroneous information therein, but have mostly given up because this seems to be hopeless. New speculative, whimsical, fraudulent or otherwise useless information seems to find its way into these files (due to lack of quality control) far faster than anyone could possibly correct the specious information. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Rosser, Hunter, Jackson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1743.3.1.1.4.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Frank: I just found the 1830 Census record for John A. ROPER! His record was mis-indexed at Ancestry as a ROSSER record. The record is at Image 29 of 52 for the area "South of the Cumberland River", Cumberland County, KY. The record is rather unmistakably a ROPER rather than a ROSSER record. The "p" in ROPER rather precisely matches the "p" in the name William KILPATRICK in the immediately following record. Even more telling is the "ss" in the name Zachariah RUSSEL at Image 25. The third letter in the surname is very clearly a "p" rather than a double "ss". Here is what the 1830 Census record shows: John A. ROPER: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 3 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- No Slaves [Cumberland, KY 1830] See: "United States Census, 1830," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHPL-YTP : accessed 05 Jun 2014), John A Rosser, South of Cumberland River, Cumberland, Kentucky; citing "1830 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 128, NARA microfilm publication M19, roll 35, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0007814. * * * I would expressly note the presence of several HUNTERs and two JACKSONs on this Census page, with John A. ROPER seemingly surrounded by HUNTERs: Abner JACKSON Joseph JACKSON Sarah HUNTER Charity HUNTER William HUNTER John A. ROPER: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 3 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- No Slaves [Cumberland, KY 1830] William KILPATRICK Samuel HUNTER Sarah HUNTER seems to be age 60 to 69 (b abt 1761-70). Thomas ROPER, of Richmond, NC, was married to a Hannah HUNTER. There are also HUNTERs on the same Census page as Thomas ROPER in Carlisle, Pennsylvania in 1793. * * * I recall that you had previously located this John A. ROPER in the 1840 Census residing in Macon, MO: John A. ROPER: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- No Slaves [Macon, MO 1840] See: "United States Census, 1840," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHT5-VYD : accessed 05 Jun 2014), John A Roper, Liberty, Macon, Missouri; citing "1840 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 15, NARA microfilm publication M704, roll 226, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0014856. * * * In 1850, John A. ROPER, age 46 (b abt 1804), born Virginia, is enumerated with wife Patsy, age 42 (b abt 1808), and daughter Elizabeth, age 20 (b abt 1830), each born in Kentucky. See: "United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MDZ6-14P : accessed 05 Jun 2014), John A Roper, Macon county, Macon, Missouri, United States; citing family 773, NARA microfilm publication M432. * In 1860, this John ROPER is enumerated at age 55 with wife Martha, age 50, still residing in Macon, MO. John is shown as being born in Kentucky in the 1860 enumeration. See: "United States Census, 1860," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MHZZ-6S3 : accessed 05 Jun 2014), John Roper, La Plata Township, Macon, Missouri, United States; citing "1860 U.S. Federal Census - Population," Fold3.com; p. 67, household ID 453, NARA microfilm publication M653; FHL microfilm 803631. * * * Secondary sources identify John A. ROPER's wife as Martha A. MURLEY, daughter of Daniel MURLEY and Margaret MOORE. Martha A. Murley ROPER (b 22 Dec 1807 - KY, d 15 Nov 1889 - Macon, MO) is apparently interred in the Steele Cemetery, Macon County, MO, in an unmarked grave. A death notice appeared in the La Plata Home Press on Friday, November 22, 1889. * * * The children are shown to be: Polly Ann ROPER (b 11 Aug 1824 - TN, d 03 Dec 1897 - Macon, MO) m James JOHNSON Harriet ROPER (b May 1826 - TN, d 21 Mar 1902 - Macon, MO) m James MAZE Elizabeth ROPER (b 1830 - KY, d 1876 - Macon, MO) m John McCARTY I have NOT verified Harriet's date of birth or death. * * * Polly is interred in the Steele Cemetery, Plainview, Macon County, Missouri. Polly A. JOHNSON's grave marker says: "POLLY A. JOHNSON DIED Dec. 3, 1897 Aged 73 Y, 3 M. 22 D." * * * Elizabeth is interred in the New Harmony Cemetery, Sue City, Macon County, MO. Her grave marker gives only the year of birth and death. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Earhart, Forney, Abernathy, Roper, Rooper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1919.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: If someone looks up the land grant to Charles ROOPER, it might be a good idea to get a look at the Lincoln County, NC, land grant to Abraham EARHART, Abraham FORNEY, Peter FORNEY and Turner ABERNATHY for 173 acres also entered in 1786 with grant issued in 1790. This Land Grant is found in File No. 566, Call Number S.108.770. This grant is very close in time and sequence number to the Charles ROPER grant. The FORNEY and ABERNATHY families were intermarried in North Carolina. David Y. ROPER married an ABERNATHY. Thomas REEPER or ROPER is shown adjacent to B. ABERNATHY and Jacob FORNEY in 1790. It is probably a good idea to get a look at the grants and surveys to learn the names of nearby features and to identify the neighbors. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Rooper, Abernathy Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1919.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Another possible clue to David Y. ROPER's origin, also following the ABERNATHY family locational information would be the North Carolina land grant to Charles ROOPER for 100 acres of land in Lincoln County, entered in 1786 with grant issued in 1790. This Land Grant is found in File No. 569, Call Number S.108.770. As far as I know, no one has ever examined this land grant because no one has ever been interested in Charles ROPER's family. There may be an extant warrant or survey in addition to the grant. Other Lincoln County grants and deeds may also show adjacency to Charles ROPER's land. In my view, the existence of a land grant to Charles ROOPER in 1790 is supportive of an inference that the Thomas REEPER shown in the 1790 Census in Lincoln adjacent B. ABERNATHY might actually be a "ROPER" rather than a REEPER. Since David Y. ROPER has been definitively ascribed as William ROPER's son by the fictionalists, everyone ceased looking at any of the abundant REAL EVIDENCE. I would encourage you to take a look at the Lincoln records before reaching any firm conclusions about the likelihood that David Y. ROPER was really an out of wedlock son of William ROPER and Kesiah YATES. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1754.5/mb.ashx Message Board Post: During the Revolutionary War, James ROPER, of Anson, accumulated quite a bit of land in Anson County through grants directly from the state. These grants are summarized below: File No. 4006, 200 acres In the fork of Little Bear Creek, Entered 1778, Issued 1779, Call No. S.108.405 File No. 4020, 100 acres On both sides of Long Creek Beg. at a white oak, Entered 1778, Issued 1779, Call No. S.108.405 File No. 4038, 100 acres On the so. Wt. of Pee Dee River Beg. at a white Oak standing on the No. side of Little Creek, Entered 1778, Issued 1779, Call No. S.108.405 File No. 4067, 200 acres So. wt. of Pee Dee River in the fork of Buffalow Creek, Entered 1778, Issued 1779, Call No. S.108.405 File No. 4068, 200 acres On the So. Wt. side of Pee Dee River on the waters of Davis Creek, Entered 1778, Issued 1779, Call No. S.108.406 File No. 4071, 100 acres On the wt. side of Long Creek Beg. at a white oak at the mouth of the watery Branch, Entered 1778, Issued 1779, Call No. S.108.406 File No. 4072, 50 acres On the No. wt. side of Rockey River Beg. at a Hickory near the mouth of Bear Creek, Entered 1778, Issued 1779, Call No. S.108.406 File No. 4079, 100 acres On the south west side of Pee Dee River, Entered 1778, Issued 1782, Call No. S.108.406 File No. 4080, 100 acres On the south west side of Pee Dee River, Entered 1778, Issued 1782, Call No. S.108.406 As far as I know, no family historian has yet obtained and transcribed these records or sought to locate these parcels. Bear in mind that these are only the grants directly from the Colony of North Carolina. There are probably also quite a few other unexamined deeds in Anson that have never been inspected. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Abernathy, Roeper, Reeper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1919.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Frank: I apologize if you found my post to be redundant. But I am surprised that you continue to cling to the idea that David Y. ROPER might be related to William ROPER and Kesiah YATES. You stated: "In reference to the Abernathy family believing that David Y. Roper and Dionysia Abernathy getting married on October 27, 1809, Robertson, NC, I have never been able to find such a marriage record and would consider that information speculative until someone comes up with some proof." I absolutely agree with you that we ought NOT simply accept the assertion that the marriage took place in Robertson (or Robeson), NC, or that it took place on 27 Oct 1809 absent some proof by the proponent of this asserted place and date. But both indicated the date and place should inform our inquiry. If NOT a North Carolina marriage, where did David ROPER and Dionysia ABERNATHY meet and marry. Don't you think that an identification of David ABERNATHY's place of residence in 1790, 1800 and 1810 is relevant to this question? * It seems to me to be a bad idea to simply DISMISS the possibility of a connection between the ROPERs and ABERNATHYs in North Carolina prior to arrival in Tennessee. When building a case on circumstantial evidence, it is usually important not simply to show the viability of the proposition advanced, but also to show that other alternative constructions are either NOT viable or, at least, LESS VIABLE. * There is another reason to actually PURSUE the real clues rather than simply DISMISSING them. Sometimes, such clues lead you to OTHER evidence that helps to inform and focus your quest. * Such is the case with even the most cursory of inquiries as to the ABERNATHY family. Within my notes, I show the presence of an interesting anomalous 1790 Census record in Lincoln, North Carolina, which in and of itself would hardly be conclusive or even suggestive, but in conjunction with the ADJACENT record of "B. ABERNATHY" on the SAME Census page as David ABERNATHY seems to me to suggest the advisability of further investigation of the Lincoln, North Carolina, records. This is the presence of Thomas REEPER in the record immediately preceding that of B. ABERNATHY: Mary WOODS: 0 - 0 - 3 -- 0 Thomas REEPER: 1 - 1 - 3 -- 0 B. ABERNATHY: 1 - 2 - 3 -- 1 W. ROBISON: 0 - 1 - 2 -- 0 Jacob FORNEY: 1 - 0 - 1 -- 5 [Image 7 of 11 at Ancestry.com] These are shown to reside in the Ninth Company in Lincoln. The record might say ROEPER rather than REEPER. The ABERNATHY and FORNEY family was intermarried. I find the presence of a Thomas REEPER or ROEPER adjacent to a B. ABERNATHY to be highly coincidental in respect of the marriage or David Y. ROPER to Dionysia ABERNATHY. The coinciding appearance of REEPER and ABERNATHY in Lincoln seems to me to unlikely to be explained by chance alone. This Census page also includes these additional ABERNATHY households: Turner ABERNATHY Jos. (or possibly Jas.) ABERNATHY David ABERNATHY Jno. ABERNATHY Sarah ABERNATHY Jas. ABERNATHY David ABERNATHY Robt. ABERNATHY There is also another Jno ABERNATHY on the immediately preceding Census page [Image 6] and a Charles ABERNATHY and a William ABERNATHY on the succeeding page within the Ninth Company [Image 8] and at least two more ABERNATHYs in the Tenth Company, also shown on this page. * * * One possibility is that there is a REEPER family that briefly appeared in Lincoln, North Carolina, but which quickly became extinct. Another possibility is that Thomas REEPER or ROEPER's presence in Lincoln, North Carolina should inform our inquiry into the relationship between the ROPER and ABERNATHY families. Since dishonest researchers have ALTERED David Y. ROPER's date or birth and death to support the FALSE ASCRIPTION of this David as a son of William ROPER, no one ever bothered to investigate the true origins of this ROPER family. In my view, clinging to fraudulent ascriptions rather than sweeping away the detritus and looking and TRUE FACTS is what continues to hold ROPER genealogy back. I find the assertion that David Y. ROPER was posthumously born to Kesiah Yates ROPER to be not only exceptionally doubtful, but actually offensive. I believe that a careful and thorough examination of the records in Lincoln County is what is indicated. One possibility is that Thomas REEPER is actually Thomas ROPER. If this is the case, then Thomas ROPER is one possible clue as to the origins of David Y. ROPER. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: batchelorw Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1919.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Bill, As you will recall, we explored the connection of David Abernathy, Jr of Dinwiddie, VA to both the families of Charles Roper and Ann Goodwyn and David Y. Roper in my post of March 27, 2014 titled "Dionysia Abernathy Roper, Giles, TN, and Robert Abernethy, Charles City Co, VA in 1652" and your reply on the same date. In reference to the Abernathy family believing that David Y. Roper and Dionysia Abernathy getting married on October 27, 1809, Robertson, NC, I have never been able to find such a marriage record and would consider that information speculative until someone comes up with some proof. Also, David Abernathy, Jr. may have already been in Maury County, TN when David Y. Roper and Dionysia got married. Here is some additional secondary source information that I have seen: "David and his brother, Joseph, went to Tennessee on a scouting trip prior to 1800 and both purchased land. He was in Maury Co. TN in 1810 for Charles Clayton Abernathy said that he and his mother spent the second night of their journey from White's Creek to Giles County with David Abernathy, a distant cousin who lived on Big Creek. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Yates, Abernathy Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1919.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Bravo, Frank! Well done!! I believe that we are beginning to see some accumulating evidence that the John Y. ROPERs of Sumner might have indeed had the middle name "Yates". Building a case with basic "facts" or circumstantial evidence may yet prove persuasive! * I am still particularly skeptical as to the ascription of the "Yates" name to David Y. ROPER, of Giles, TN. >From what I can see, almost ALL of the clues go the other way or, IF they support any inference as to a YATES connection, this may be support for the possibility of a particularly close connection between William ROPER and Charles ROPER, of Dinwiddie, VA. I would particularly recommend to you that you look closely at the ABERNATHY family into which David Y. ROPER married. ABERNATHY family historians claim that Dionysia ABERNATHY was a daughter of David ABERNATHY who they assert was born on 22 Jul 1759 in Dinwiddie County, Virginia, and who died on 23 Aug 1838 in Giles County, Tennessee. This David ABERNATHY was a Revolutionary War Veteran for whom there is an extant Pension application. See the transcription by Will GRAVES: http://revwarapps.org/s1609.pdf David ABERNATHY seems to have resided in Lincoln County, NC, which is to the Northeast of Mecklenburg County, NC. Bear in mind that this David ABERNATHY seemed to be residing in Lincoln County at the approximate date of birth of Dionysia ABERNATHY. This puts the ABERNATHY family geographically near to the family of Charles ROPER and Ann GOODWYN and later near to Jesse ROPER's family rather than near the Caswell ROPERs. I would also expressly call your attention to the fact that the ABERNATHY family believes that the middle name of Dionysia ABERNATHY's brother John was "Young" -- John Young ABERNATHY -- and Dionysia is purported to have a sister named Drusilla Young ABERNATHY. While I know of no evidence supporting these assertions, the assertions seem to me to be equally credible to the unsupported assertions that David Y. ROPER's middle name was "Yates". Also, the ABERNATHY family was intermarried with the YOKLEY family in Giles, TN, and members of the ABERNATHY family are interred in the YOKLEY cemetery there. While this does NOT disprove a connection to the YATES family, it seems to me that it is equally plausible that ROPER and ABERNATHY families may have migrated from Dinwiddie to North Carolina to Tennessee in a close trace, possibly accompanied by other Dinwiddie families. Thus, the possibility that David Y. ROPER's middle name might be "YOUNG", "YOKLEY" or "YEWALL" cannot be discounted. The ABERNATHY family seems to believe that David Y. ROPER and Dionysia ABERNATHY married on 27 Oct 1809 in "Robertson, NC". What is probably meant is Robeson County, NC, which is to the East of Mecklenburg County and just South of Cumberland County, NC, where Jesse ROPER's family first migrated and settled. Robeson County is adjacent the South Carolina border. Other South Carolina ROPER families would have been far closer than ANY of the Caswell, NC / Halifax, VA ROPERs. It would appear to me that the clues point mostly to a Dinwiddie point of origin for David Y. ROPER and a probable migration through the Cumberland, NC, Mecklenburg, NC, area or one of the adjacent NC or SC counties. By contrast, I believe that you are building an increasingly stronger case supporting a Caswell, NC, origin for John Y. ROPER. Closer scrutiny of the ABERNATHY family seems to me to be indicated. Study of the extant primary records for the ROPER families settling in the NC - SC border area will also be helpful whenever researchers finally get around to this. Because the Giles, TN, ROPER families continue to cling to fraudulent ascriptions, no one is bothering to look at the real records. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: batchelorw Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1919/mb.ashx Message Board Post: To my knowledge, no one has produced evidence that David Y. Roper, b. abt. 1783, NC and John Y. Roper, b. abt. 1796, NC, had a middle name of Yates. I have searched extensively and have never been able to find the middle name explicitly stated. John Calvin Roper, b. 1822, the son of David Y. Roper, b. abt. 1783, named a son David Y. Roper, but I can find no evidence that his middle name was Yates. John Y. Roper, b. abt. 1796, named a son John Y. Roper, b. abt. 1821, but I can find no evidence that his middle name was Yates. However, there appears to be a great grandchild of John Y. Roper, b. abt. 1796, NC, who was named Roscoe Yates Roper, b. 11 Feb 1891, Itasca, TX; d. 24 June 1970, Exeter, Tulare County, CA . John Y. Roper, Jr., b. abt. 1821, son of John Y. Roper, Sr., b. abt. 1796, had a son named John Henry Roper, b. July 4, 1858, Hartsville, Trousdale County, TN; d. July 29, 1930, Stockton, San Joaquin, CA. John Y. Roper, Sr., John Y. Roper, Jr. and his wife Angeline French can be seen residing together in the 1860 Sumner County, TN census. John Henry Roper, shown only as John Roper, son of John Y. Roper, Jr., is seen as age 1 in the census. (All census records referred to in this article can be seen as images on Ancestry.com) The 1870 Hartsville, Sumner County census shows John Y. Roper, Sr., and John Y. Roper, Jr. and his wife Angio Roper, residing in the same household. John, age 12, son of John Y. Roper, Jr., is also listed John Roper, son of John Y. Roper, Jr., can next be seen as John H. Roper, age 21, b. TN, residing in the home of his widowed mother Angeline Roper in the 1880 Hartsville, Trousdale, TN census. John H. Roper can next be seen in the 1900 Itasca, TX census with his wife Mattie and his mother Angie C. Roper. Also, there is an Osca Y. Roper, b. February 1892, age 8, son of John H. Roper and Mattie Roper. The 1910 Meridian, Itasca, TX census again shows John H. Roper and his wife, with the son Osca now listed as Roscoe Y. Roper, age 19, born in Texas. John H. Roper and his wife Mattie next appear in the 1920 Meridian, Bosque, TX census, living next down to his son Roscoe Roper, age 28, now married to a Charlotte, age 28. Roscoe and Charlotte have no children. A Jessie Dolster, identified as the sister-in-law of Roscoe Roper, is living in Roscoe's household. Roscoe Y. Roper can next be found in the 1930 Exeter, Tulare County, CA census, living with his wife Charlotte D. Roper. They have no children and they are both shown as age 39. John H. Roper and his wife Mattie can be found in the 1930 Stockton, San Joaquin County, CA census. Roscoe Y. Roper appears in the 1940 Exeter, Tulare County, CA census, age 49, with his wife Charlotte D. Roper, age 50. His mother Mattie, age 73, is also living in the household. Roscoe and Charlotte have no children. Roscoe Y. Roper died June 24, 1970 in Exeter, Tulare County, CA according to his Social Security record. He was buried in Exeter Cemetery. The computer records at the Exeter Cemetery are available online. That record shows that "Roscoe Yates Roper" was buried on July 6, 1970. (The computer records actually have his death and burial dates reversed in order). He is shown as a male Caucasian, age 79, born February 11, 1891, in Itasca, TX. The plot owners are shown as R.V. & Charlotte Roper (The V is probably a typo, meant to be Y). The plot number is 5/U-9-S2 Charlotte D. Roper's death is also recorded in the Exeter Cemetery computer records. She died on March 31, 1976 and was buried on April 15, 1976. Her date of birth was August 12, 1889, Madison, IL. She is shown as the plot owner of plot number 5/U-9-2. Thus, Charlotte would have been alive at the time Roscoe died and was buried. She probably knew the full name of her husband to be Roscoe Yates Roper and listed him as such. There is no image of the headstone or gravestone produced on the Internet. The next time I am in Tulare County (two hours away), I will attempt to get a photo of the grave marker. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42FortGraham Surnames: ROPER Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1918/mb.ashx Message Board Post: ROPER Orah A 1897-1897 I photographed this tombstone in the Fort Graham Cemetery, Hill County, Texas. Feel free to use the picture for your records. See this photo, one of the 235,021 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com . If you know more about this person please reply here,instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42FortGraham Surnames: ROPER Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1917/mb.ashx Message Board Post: ROPER Mary M and James F I photographed this tombstone in the Fort Graham Cemetery, Hill County, Texas. Feel free to use the picture for your records. See this photo, one of the 235,021 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com . If you know more about this person please reply here,instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>