This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: batchelorw Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1923.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Bill, First, I want to compliment you on the excellent job you have done in documenting this line of Ropers, starting with John Roper, b. abt. 1756-66, of Pendleton, SC.. I wanted to comment on Joseph Roper, b. abt 1775-82, a possible son of John Roper, b. abt. 1756-66. Joseph Roper may have moved from Pendleton District, SC to Lincoln County, TN sometime after 1800, and may have died sometime before 1830 in Lincoln County, leaving a wife named Martha and at least three sons, Bracken Roper, Joseph Roper, and Joshua Roper. It would not be unexpected that Joseph Roper moved to Tennessee, since it appears that two of John Roper's possible brothers were also in Tennessee at about the same time. David Roper, b. 08 June 1792-SC, d. 17 Apr 1878, apparently had a son named William F. Roper, b. abt. 1819 in Tennessee according to the census records of William F. Roper. Also, John Roper, b. 08 Jan 1788 had a son named John H. Roper, b. abt. 1819 in Tennessee, according to John H. Roper's census records. Joseph Roper makes his only appearance in the Pendleton District, SC census in 1800. He is shown as age 16-25, a presumed wife of 16-25, and one female under 10. A Joseph Roper then appears in an 1820 Lincoln County, Tennessee census according to Ancestry.com images: Joseph Roper 3-2-0-0-0-1*******1-0-0-0-1-0-0-1 Joseph is shown as age 45 , with 3 males <10 and two males 10-15, and one female 45 and another female <10. Three of the individuals are in agriculture. (Bill, I know you have commented on this census record in a post dated March 1, 2014 titled "Roper Households in the 1820 Census of Tennessee" and indicated that the record appears to be for Jefferson County, TN as shown in Ancestry.com. However, Ancestry.com is now showing the record to be for Lincoln County. Correct me if I am wrong.) The age of Joseph Roper in the1820 Lincoln County, TN census is consistent with being the same Joseph Roper in the 1800 Pendleton District, SC census. Joseph Roper does not appear in the 1830 Lincoln County, TN census. However, a Martha Roper is shown as the head of a household in the 1830 Lincoln County census: Martha Roper 0-0-1-1-2-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0******0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0 Martha is shown as age 60-69. There are two males 20-29, one male 15-19, and one male 10-14. There is one female age 10-14. A John C. Craig can be seen on the same census page. John C. Craig can also be seen on the same page with Joseph Roper in the 1820 Lincoln County census. Martha's age is not consistent with the 1800 Pendleton District, SC census, and is off by 5 years. A document image identified as an 1836 Lincoln County, TN Tax list by Ancestry.com appears to show a Martha Roper owning 75 acres of land worth $200 and also owning 210 acres valued at $250. A Bracken Roper and Joseph Roper are listed below the name of Martha Roper. Neither Bracken Roper nor Joseph Roper is shown to have taxable land. Martha Roper next appears in the 1840 Lincoln County, TN census on page 173 of the Ancestry.com image. She is shown as age 60-69, with one male age 20-29 in the household. Martha Roper's age is now consistent with the 1800 Pendleton District census wherein the wife of Joseph Roper is shown as age 16-25. A Bracken Roper can be found on page 175 of the1840 Lincoln County, TN census: Bracken Roper 0-0-0-0-1-2-0-0-0-0-0-0-0******0-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0 Bracken Roper is shown as age 30-39, with a female age 20-29. There is another male in the household who is 30-39, and a male who is 20-29. These two males may be his brothers, Joseph Roper and Joshua Roper, who I will discuss later. I have no opinion on who the female is. Martha Roper is not seen after the 1850 census. Bracken Roper (indexed as Raper) appears in the 1850 Lincoln County, TN census on page 141 as follows; Bracken Roper 44 Place of Birth: NC Rosa 21 ALA Mary 6 TN James 4 TN Martha 2 TN Rosa has been identified by secondary sources as being Rosa Emaline Williams. Bracken Roper next appears in the 1860 Lincoln County, TN census in the image on page 17 of Ancestry.com: Bracken Roper 50 Place of Birth: NC Emiline 32 ALA Mary 15 TN James 13 TN Martha 11 TN Eliza 10 TN Emaline 8 TN William 6 TN Sarah 4 TN Winney 1 TN John Williams 18 ALA Epp Sellery 16 ALA Caroline Williams 49 SC Caroline Williams may be a sister of Bracken Roper, since secondary sources state that Bracken Roper married a William's daughter. To my knowledge, this Bracken Roper does not appear after the 1860 census. I was immediately perplexed by the fact that Bracken Roper states in both the 1850 and 1860 census records that he was born in North Carolina. I would have expected that, if he were the son of Joseph Roper, he would have been born in either South Carolina, where Joseph is seen in 1800, or in Tennessee, where Joseph is seen in 1820. But perhaps this is not an inconsistency. Bracken Roper appears to have been born between1806-1810. The 1850 census states that he was 44, therefore born about 1806, and the 1850 census states he was 50, and therefore born in 1810. Before 1809, Lincoln County, TN did not exist. In 1809, Lincoln County was carved from the southern portion of Bedford County, and bordered Alabama to its south. The southeast corner of the new Lincoln County remained Indian lands until it was incorporated into Lincoln County in 1817. If history serves me right, and correct me if I am wrong, Indian Lands mostly remained a part of North Carolina until that land was all ceded to Tennessee for the formation of additional counties. It is possible that Bracken Roper was born on Indian Land while it was still a part of North Carolina. Many settlers moved into what would become Lincoln County years before its actual formation. Thus, if Joseph and his wife conceived Bracken Roper between 1806 and 1809, he may have in fact been born in North Carolina. I admit that this is an important possible discrepancy. But let's compare that one issue with other circumstantial evidence. Joseph Roper is the only Roper in the 1820 Lincoln County, TN census. He has a wife whose age is 45 , and whose age is consistent with the later census records for Martha Roper, widowed. Joseph Roper is living near John C. Craig in 1820 and Martha Roper, widow, is living next to John C. Craig in 1830. Both Bracken Roper and a Joseph Roper (who I will discuss later) are seen listed next to Martha Roper in the 1836 Tax List. There is also a connection between the Bracken family and Joseph Roper of Pendleton District, SC. On the same census page in the 1800 Pendleton District census, three properties away from Joseph Roper, we will find the following individuals: John Bracken, Jun 0-0-0-1-0*****1-0-0-1-0 John Bracken, Sen 0-0-0-0-1*****0-0-0-0-1 James Bracken 1-0-1-0-0*****1-0-1-0-0 >From circumstantial evidence, I think it is possible that Joseph Roper of Pendleton District, SC married a Martha Bracken, which would explain the name Bracken Roper. Bracken is not your run-of-mill given name. However, there is no extant record showing Martha's surname that I can find. Next, I will discuss the Joseph Roper, who is seen in the 1836 Tax List for Lincoln County, TN. Secondary sources list this person as Joseph Lincoln Roper, b. abt. 1812, Lincoln County, TN. I can find no extant document showing his actual middle name or that he was born in Lincoln County. The Joseph Roper in the 1836 Tax List is obviously not the husband of Martha, since he is shown as owning no land that is taxable, while Martha is shown owning taxable land. However, his name could indicate that he was named after his father. I cannot find a census record for Joseph Roper before 1860. Lack of an 1840 census could be explained because he may be the male age 20-29 living in the home of Bracken Roper in the 1840 census. Why I cannot find him in the 1850 census is unknown to me. I tried "Raper" and could not find it. The 1860 Lincoln County census has this on a Joseph Roper: Joseph Roper 47 Place of Birth: TN Petitha 28 ALA James 14 TN Olla 12 TN Mary 11 TN Emely 9 TN Eliza 7 TN Mary 6 TN Edley 3 TN Sarah 11/12 TN >From this, we notice that Joseph apparently married late in life to a younger woman. Thus, he may have been residing in his brother's home before his marriage. He also named children James, Emely, Mary, and Sarah, similar to the names of Bracken Roper's children. Emely may be the most significant of those names because Bracken Roper's wife was also apparently named Emiline. There is a marriage record which can be found on Ancestry.com which shows the marriage of a Joseph Roper on October 18, 1853 to P Gatlin in Limestone, Al, which is across the border from Lincoln County, TN. Joseph Roper may have had a prior marriage as secondary sources are showing his first marriage to Nancy Giles Merrill, who is shown to have died in 1850 or 1852. If true, this would explain the 14 year old James above in the 1860 census, who is shown by secondary sources as the son of Joseph Roper and Nancy Giles Merrill. Joseph Roper's tombstone shows that he died in 1862 in Lincoln County. Then there is Joshua Roper, another possible son of Joseph Roper and Martha. He first appears by name in the 1850 Lincoln County, TN census, on the same page as Bracken Roper: Joshua Roper 42 Place of birth: TN Dusana 30 TN George 9 TN Martha 6 TN Mills 6 TN James 4 TN Joseph 3 TN Eliza 1 TN Joshua Roper is shown to have married Sophia Jane Haygood in February, 1840, in Lauderdale, AL in a record on Ancestry.com. Joshua Roper appears in the 1860 and 1880 Lincoln County, TN census records, but I will stop here, except to mention one of his sons. In the 1860 census, he has a son named Bracken Roper, age 14. This appears to be the same son named James who is shown as age 4 in the 1850 census. James Bracken "Brack" Roper, as secondary sources call him, is evidenced in his death certificate, which is on Ancestry.com, as J. B. Roper. He was born on August 18, 1847 in Lincoln County, TN to Joshua Roper and to his mother whose maiden name was Haygood, and he died on February 13, 1919 in Lincoln County. Finally, there is a land grant to Joshua Roper dated April 15, 1846 in Lincoln County, TN, the image of which is on Ancestry.com. I will not transcribe that record here, but will indicate that the land is described as lying on the waters of Kelly's Creek at the branch of Elk River in Lincoln County. A portion of the left hand side of the deed is cut off, but it mentions that the granted land abuts Roper's northwest corner. The Elk River meanders through Lincoln County and crosses into Limestone County, AL, where it meets the Tennessee River. Recall that Joseph Roper and P. Gatlin married in Limestone, AL. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: spinia Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1623.1.1.1.1.2.2.1.2.7/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I THINK I FOUND AN INDIAN LINK, HAVE YOU FOUND ONE YET? IF SO PLEASE LET ME KNOW, THE LINK IF THROUGH LITTLETON CAPLE B 1800 WHO MARRIED MARY BUFORD 1800 SC Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Robertson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1734.3.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The William ROPER shown to be residing within the household of Elizabeth ROPER in 1850 at age 23 in 1850 can again be found in Cynthiana, Harrison County, KY, in the 1860 Census: United States Census -- 1860 Cynthiana, Harrison County, KY [] Wm. P. ROPER, age 30, Male, Master Carpenter, R.E. $1,200, Pres. Estate $2,300, Born Ky. Margaret E. ROPER, age 35, Female, Housekeeper, born Ky Mary E. ROPER, age 14, Female, born Ky Ernest ROPER, age 10, Male, born Ky Adnan ROBERTSON, age 10, Male, born Ky [Image 16 of 22 at the Ancestry.com presentation of Census data for this place.] See: "United States Census, 1860," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/M4L5-5TL : accessed 16 Jun 2014), Wm P Roper, Cynthiana, Harrison, Kentucky, United States; citing "1860 U.S. Federal Census - Population," Fold3.com; p. 16, household ID 118, NARA microfilm publication M653; FHL microfilm 803372. * * * * * This William P. ROPER seems likely to be the son of William ROPER and Elizabeth KERLEY and the brother of Albert G. ROPER shown in the 1850 Census record for Elizabeth ROPER and discussed in other posts in this thread. It is interesting to see the name William P. ROPER in this family, as well as the appearance of the given name "Jesse" in Albert ROPER's family. Both of these names seem reminiscent of William P. ROPER and Jesse ROPER, sons of Shadrach ROPER, of Powhatan, and very early Kentucky pioneers. It is UNCLEAR how William ROPER, of Harrison County, Kentucky fits into the ROPER family, but it seems likely that he is closely related to the Powhatan, Virginia, ROPERs. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Kerley, Holt Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1734.3.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I recently came across the 1880 Census record for Elizabeth ROPER residing in Trousdale, TN, with William L. KERLEY, Elizabeth's nephew. This record gives us the traction to ascertain Elizabeth ROPER's identity and maiden name. I discuss this record in my post at the KERLEY RootsWeb Message Board: "Elizabeth Kerley ROPER (b 15 Aug 1791 - KY, d after 1880)" (15 Jun 2014 10:10PM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.kerley/151.3/mb.ashx Although I have not yet ascertained the source of the birthdate given for Elizabeth KERLEY (b 15 Aug 1791), Elizabeth ROPER was clearly the former Elizabeth KERLEY. The KERLEY family seems to have KNOWN that Elizabeth was married to William ROPER, which we had implicitly discovered by the earlier Harrison, KY, Census records. This seems to give us some new traction to renew study of this ROPER family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1927.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Aaron ROPER is first separately enumerated in the 1840 Census residing in Lumpkin, Georgia near his mother and brothers: Aaron ROPER:.. 3 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Lumpkin, GA 1840] See: "United States Census, 1840," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/1TP4-TCN : accessed 13 Jun 2014), Aaron Roper, Smiths, Lumpkin, Georgia; citing "1840 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 267, NARA microfilm publication M704, roll 45, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0007045. Aaron ROPER is shown to be age 30 to 39 (b abt 1801-10) in the 1840 Census record. * * * Aaron is next enumerated in 1850 Lumpkin, Georgia, this time at a place called Keiths with his growing family: Aaron ROPER, age 50, Male, Farmer, R. E. $300, born SC Sarah ROPER, age 45, Female, born SC Martha ROPER, age 13, Female, born GA Benjamin ROPER, age 14, Male, born GA George ROPER, age 12, Male, born GA Ann ROPER, age 9, Female, born GA Lucinda ROPER, age 7, Female, born GA Hamilton ROPER, age 5, Male, born GA [Image 3 of 8 within the Ancestry.com presentation of Census data for this place] See: "United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/M4L3-GQX : accessed 13 Jun 2014), Aaron Roper, Ruth, Lumpkin, Georgia, United States; citing family , NARA microfilm publication M432. Aaron ROPER is clearly shown to have already been present in Georgia since 1836. * * * Aaron ROPER is enumerated at age 60 residing at Blacks, Dawson County, GA, with wife Sarah, age 57, and son Hamilton, age 14. See: "United States Census, 1860," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/M464-26Z : accessed 13 Jun 2014), Aaron Roper, Blacks District, Dawson, Georgia, United States; citing "1860 U.S. Federal Census - Population," Fold3.com; p. 60, household ID 559, NARA microfilm publication M653; FHL microfilm 803119. * * * Aaron ROPER, age 69, is enumerated in the 1870 Census residing at Sanford District, Dawson, Georgia, with Sarah Ann ROPER, age 28, and John L. ROPER, age 8, (shown to be female). This Census is dated 30 Jul 1870. See: "United States Census, 1870," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/M49M-XC6 : accessed 13 Jun 2014), Aaron Roper, Georgia, United States; citing p. 89, family 649, NARA microfilm publication M593, FHL microfilm 000545645. * * * In 1880, Aaron ROPER is still living and is enumerated residing at Blacks, Dawson County, GA. He is shown to be age 80, with wife Martha, age 46. Nancy HOWARD, age 20, is shown to be residing in this household and she is identified as a daughter. Thomas HOWARD, age 16, is also enumerated in Aaron ROPER's household that year and a Jerry HOWARD is shown in the adjacent record. See: "United States Census, 1880," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/M4BY-JST : accessed 13 Jun 2014), Aaron Roper, Blacks, Dawson, Georgia, United States; citing sheet 84D, NARA microfilm publication T9. It seems most likely that the HOWARDS are Martha's children from a prior marriage and Aaron's step-children rather than children. Aaron ROPER is shown to be born in South Carolina to parents each born in South Carolina. The 1880 Census record is dated 10 Jun 1880. I BELIEVE THAT THE ASSERTION THAT Aaron's father was born in South Carolina is NOT TRUSTWORTHY for reasons discussed under the topic "Benjamin ROPER's Age and Place of Birth" * * * Aaron ROPER's Year of Birth age 30 to 39 (b abt 1801-10) [1840] b abt 1800 (age 50) [1850] b abt 1800 (age 60) [1860] b abt 1801 (age 69) [1870] b abt 1800 (age 80) [1880] This seems to suggest a year of birth 1800-1. However, it should be noted that the 1800 Census shows only ONE male under age 10. EITHER Meredith ROPER or Aaron ROPER was probably born in 1800 and the other was probably born in 1801, although perhaps there is a possibility that BOTH could have been born in 1800 if one was born in January or February. Meredith left the household first, married first and was apparently listed ahead of Aaron in the probate records. This seems to me to suggest Meredith was probably the older son. * * * Secondary sources show Aaron ROPER to have been married to a Rhoda HOPKINS when Aaron was about age 9 with a daughter named Elizabeth Malinda ROPER (b abt 1811). I do NOT find this assertion to be at all credible. The female shown to be age 15 to 19 residing within Jacob ROPER's household seems more likely to be a sister, sister-in-law or other person rather than a daughter and the ascription of a daughter conceived about 1810 when Aaron was only age 8 or 9 seems like another of the fictionalist recreations of ROPER family history perhaps intended for either the amusement of deprecation of the family. I do NOT subscribe to this nonsense and would encourage any honest or serious genealogist to DISCONNECT this Elizabeth from Aaron ROPER's family. * * Secondary sources also claim that Aaron ROPER's first wife died in 1855 in Pickens, South Carolina, even though (a) Aaron ROPER migrated to Georgia with his family before 1836 and (b) Aaron ROPER's wife Sarah ROPER (b abt 1803-5) is again enumerated within the U.S. Census residing in Blacks, Dawson County, GA. In my view, the assertion by some ROPER fictionalists that Sarah ROPER died in 1855 and that her corpse was then to Blacks, Dawson County, GA, to be enumerated in the 1860 Census does NOT seem credible. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Keith Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1927.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In 1850, there is a Meredith ROPER enumerated in the 1850 Census residing in Lumpkin, Georgia, together with wife Lucinda, who is shown to be age 50 and born in South Carolina [Census date 24 Dec 1850]. The two eldest children still residing within this household in 1850 Sarah, age 22, and Matilda, age 19, are each shown to have been born in South Carolina, and the younger children beginning with William, age 14, are shown to be born in Georgia. This is consistent with this Meredith ROPER residing in South Carolina at the date of the 1830 Census and then migrating to South Carolina between 1831 and 1836. See: "United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/M4L3-YG7 : accessed 12 Jun 2014), Meredith Roper, Barett, Lumpkin, Georgia, United States; citing family , NARA microfilm publication M432. Note the precise conformance of the 1850 Census data to the 1830 Census return where Meredith is shown to be age 30 to 39 (b abt 1791-1800): Meredith ROPER: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1830] Pickens County deed records show the conveyance of land on Weavers Creek to Duke W. GLENN by a deed dated 14 Dec 1836 (recorded 10 Mar 1841). * * * Meredith ROPER is enumerated in the 1860 Census residing in Dawson County, Georgia, at age 59, with wife Lucinda, age 59, and daughters Susan, 22, and Carolina, age 17 [Census date 07 Jul 1860]. Meredith is again shown to be born in South Carolina. See: "United States Census, 1860," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/M464-LRX : accessed 12 Jun 2014), Merideth Roper, Barretts Dist, Dawson, Georgia, United States; citing "1860 U.S. Federal Census - Population," Fold3.com; p. 75, household ID 511, NARA microfilm publication M653; FHL microfilm 803119. Some secondary sources assert that this Meredith ROPER died in 1849, however this is inconsistent with the 1850 Census data for Lumpkin, Georgia, and the 1860 Census for Dawson County, GA. Those ROPER family history fictionalists that contend that Meredith ROPER died in 1849, but was thereafter posthumously enumerated in the 1850 Census, with his corpse subsequently posthumously transported to Dawson, Georgia, to inflate the Census counts there in the 1860 Census, should come forward with the primary evidence which they contend supports this fantastic theory! I believe that the rumors of Meredith's death in 1849 have been grossly exaggerated and that he might have instead only had a chest cold or a headache that year! The extant Census data from 1850 and 1860 supports an ascription of Meredith ROPER's year of birth as about 1800-1. The mention of a son under age 10 in the 1800 Census supports a more precise 1800 year of birth. Thus the 1850 and 1860 Census data for Meredith ROPER is rather precisely consistent with our conclusion from the 1800, 1810 and 1820 Census that the eldest son was born in 1800. It should also be noted that the naming of the eldest son Meredith is highly suggestive that Benjamin ROPER's father was the Meredith ROPER found in Rutherford, NC, in 1790, and in Pendleton, SC, in 1800. * * It should probably also be noted that additional information about Meredith ROPER and his farm appears in the U.S. 1860 Census of Agriculture for Barretts, Dawson County, Georgia. * * * Secondary sources have identified Meredith ROPER's wife as Lucinda KEITH. While I am not aware of the authority supporting this ascription, it certainly seems plausible given the proximity of the KEITH family and intermarriage of Meredith ROPER's sister to a KEITH. Someone with knowledge of the basis for this ascription ought to post that information so that this can be proven with verifiable evidence. * * * This is post is NOT intended as a complete or thorough exposition of Meredith ROPER, but rather is intended to better establish Meredith ROPER's year of birth, to conclusively ascribe this Meredith ROPER as Benjamin ROPER's son and to help to further firm up the details as to Benjamin ROPER's early life. Implicitly, the conclusive ascription that Meredith ROPER was Benjamin ROPER's first born son, born in 1800, also allows us to clear away the detritus of false or fraudulent ascriptions of other ROPERs to Benjamin ROPER's family. These false ascriptions will be discussed in another forthcoming post. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Ward, Keith, Hendricks Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1927.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: To once again summarize the four Census records for Benjamin ROPER shown within my original post above: Benjamin ROPER: 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1800] Ben. ROPER:.... 4 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 3 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1810] Benjamin ROPER: 2 - 0 - 1 - 3 - 0 - 1 -- 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 5 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1820] Benjamin ROPER: 0 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1830] The 1800 Census record seems to show that Benjamin and Susannah ROPER had one son born about 1791-1800. By 1810, this couple seems to have had four (4) males under age 10 (b abt 1801-10) and three (3) females under age 10 (b abt 1801-10). There doesn't seem to be a male child age 10 to 17 (b abt 1793-1800) or a young man age 18 to 25 (b abt 1785-92) which might explain the disposition of the child under age 10 in 1800. There would seem to be three possible explanations. First, this first born child, seemingly the eldest son, may have simply died young. This is the most obvious answer. Second, the first male child shown in the 1800 Census record could have left the household and might be living with another friend or relative. Third, this child might have been born in 1800 immediately prior to the 1800 Census enumeration, but had not yet turned age 10 by the date of the 1810 Census. These possibilities will be further explored as each of the children is discussed in greater depth. I will show that this third possibility is actually most consistent with the extant data. Thus, from the first two Census records, I would contend that the composition of Benjamin ROPER's family at 1810 consisted of: Son (b abt 1800) Son (b abt 1801-10) Son (b abt 1801-10) Son (b abt 1801-10) Daughter (b abt 1801-10) Daughter (b abt 1801-10) Daughter (b abt 1801-10) * * The 1820 Census record seems to reflect the continued presence of EVERY child shown in the 1810 Census record, but with some elaborating different details about age ranges. There are two males under age 10, plus one male age 16-17, as well as three males age 18 to 25. But there are zero males shown in the 10 to 16 age range. Unless one or more sons have departed and been replaced by non-family members (e.g. husbands of the daughters), the only reasonable way to harmonize the 1820 Census data for the males with that of 1800 and 1810 is if the family composition consists of: Son (b abt 1800) [age 18 to 25] Son (b abt 1801-2) [age 18 to 25] Son (b abt 1801-2) [age 18 to 25] Son (b abt 1803-4) [age 16 to 18] Son (b abt 1811-20) [under age 10] Son (b abt 1811-20) [under age 10] Similarly, the 1810 and 1820 Census data for the females can be reconciled and harmonized is Benjamin ROPER has daughters in these age ranges: Daughter (b abt 1801-02) [age 18 to 25] Daughter (b abt 1803-10) [age 10 to 17] Daughter (b abt 1803-10) [age 10 to 17] Daughter (b abt 1811-20) [under age 10] Daughter (b abt 1811-20) [under age 10] Note that this brings the count of children to eleven by 1820. * * In 1830, there are ZERO additional males under age 10 (either under age 5, or age 5 to 9), but there is ONE additional female age 5 to 9 (b abt 1821-5). The additional clarity and different age ranges used in the 1830 Census enumeration clarifies that the two sons shown to be under age 10 in 1820 (b abt 1811-20) are actually age 10 to 14 in 1830 (b abt 1816-20). Three sons seem to have left the household, leaving one other son now age 20 to 29. Age ranges adjusted for the 1830 Census would then be: Son (b abt 1800) Son (b abt 1801-2) Son (b abt 1801-2) Son (b abt 1803-4) [age 20 to 29 in 1830] Son (b abt 1816-20) [age 10 to 14 in 1830] Son (b abt 1816-20) [age 10 to 14 in 1830] For the females, the 1830 Census data clarifies that the two daughters in the under age 10 age range in 1820 age must have been at the upper end of that age range, since these are shown to be age 15 to 19 in 1830 (b abt 1811-5). Age ranges adjusted for the 1830 Census data for the female children are: Daughter (b abt 1801-02) Daughter (b abt 1803-10) Daughter (b abt 1803-10) [age 20 to 29 in 1830] Daughter (b abt 1811-15) [age 15 to 19 in 1830] Daughter (b abt 1811-15) [age 15 to 19 in 1830] Daughter (b abt 1821-5) [age 5 to 9 in 1830] * * * * * Recall that these names of Benjamin ROPER's children are purported to have been taken from Benjamin ROPER's probate files, though transcriptions or images from these files seem not to have been posted: Meredith ROPER John H. ROPER Jacob ROPER Aaron ROPER Sarah ROPER Rachel ROPER m WARD -- ROPER m J. M. KEITH Keziah "Cazzy" ROPER m John BIRUS or BYERS Benjamin ROPER Susannah ROPER m Moses HENDRICKS Nancy ROPER Another SON * * * * * On the SAME Census page as Benjamin ROPER in 1830, we find these additional ROPERs: Meredith ROPER: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1830] John H. ROPER:. 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1830] Jacob ROPER:... 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1830] See: "United States Census, 1830," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/1TJZ-T6V : accessed 12 Jun 2014), Meredith Roper, Not Stated, Pickens, South Carolina; citing "1830 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 314, NARA microfilm publication M19, roll 173, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0022507. Meredith ROPER is shown to be age 30 to 39 (b abt 1791-1800), suggesting that he was the male child under age 10 in the 1800 Census. As the first born son, his given name is suggestive that he may have been named for Benjamin ROPER's father. Both proximity and the age ranges of the 1830 Census records are suggestive that John H. ROPER and Jacob ROPER might be the two sons of Benjamin shown to be born about 1801-2. Recall that three of Benjamin ROPER's six sons seem to have left his household between 1820 and 1820 and there are precisely three other ROPERs on the very same Census page. Moreover, Meredith, John and Jacob are the first three sons mentioned in the secondary accounts from the probate records. (The PRECISE details from the probate records still need to be established by examination and transcription of the underlying probate records.) A William WARD is enumerated in the record immediately adjacent to John H. ROPER: William WARD: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1830] This may be Rachel ROPER's husband, but this should be treated as an avenue for further investigation rather than an ascription. Another John ROPER and a Reuben ROPER are shown on the previous Census page. Also shown is a Mary BIERS who may be the mother of the John BYERS who is shown by secondary sources to have married Kesiah/Keziah ROPER. I will discuss this John ROPER in another separate thread. * * * * * Benjamin ROPER's family seems to have departed from Pickens before the 1840 Census. The family is next most centrally seated at Smiths, Lumpkin, Georgia. These 1840 Census records from Lumpkin further inform our understanding of Benjamin ROPER's family: Susanna ROPER: 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 3 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Lumpkin, GA 1840] Aaron ROPER:.. 3 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Lumpkin, GA 1840] Jacob ROPER:.. 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Lumpkin, GA 1840] [Image 3 of 10 for Lumpkin, GA, in the Ancestry.com presentation of Census data] See: "United States Census, 1840," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/1TP4-TN1 : accessed 12 Jun 2014), Susanna Roper, Smiths, Lumpkin, Georgia; citing "1840 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 267, NARA microfilm publication M704, roll 45, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0007045. There is a John ROPER on the immediate following page: John ROPER:... 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 2 - 3 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Lumpkin, GA 1840] See: "United States Census, 1840," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/1TP4-TV9 : accessed 12 Jun 2014), John Roper, Smiths, Lumpkin, Georgia; citing "1840 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 268, NARA microfilm publication M704, roll 45, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0007045. Susanna ROPER seems to be age 50 to 59 in 1840 (b abt 1781-90). One (1) male age 20 to 29 (b abt 1811-20) and three (3) females in this age range are also shown within this record. There is also one male under age 5 (b abt 1836-40), one male age 5 to 9 (b abt 1831-5) and one female age 5 to 9 (b abt 1831-5) in this household. Aaron ROPER is shown to be age 30 to 39 (b abt 1801-10) with a female of a similar age. Jacob ROPER is shown to be age 20 to 29 (b abt 1811-20) with a wife of a similar age. I will further elaborate on Benjamin ROPER's children in individual forthcoming topical posts about each child. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JacquelynHorton Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1928/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Is anyone researching William Roper who m. Hannah Bunn in Wedmore. His son Isaac m. Phoebe Huyck in Canada and lived in Stephenville, Huron county, Canada until she died in 1857 when Isaac m. Phoebe Burley and moved to LaPeer, Michigan about 1860-61. Am looking for any descendants of his children. My line is from his son Isaac who m. Ora Jane Keith. Hannah m. Alexander McRae last found them in Otter Tail county, MN Thomas Sarah Joseph Caroline William Have already touched base with descendents of Archibald - thanks to them I found Phebe's last name. I believe he also had a third wife names Charlotte and a daughter Eleanor Any information would be appreciated. Jackie Perkins-Horton - Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1927/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Benjamin ROPER, of Pendleton and Pickens, SC, first appears by name within the 1800 Census. The ONLY Benjamin ROPER shown in the 1790 Census is Benjamin ROPER, of Princeton, Worcester, Massachusetts, who appears (by DNA evidence) to only be distantly related. Benjamin Dart ROPER, of Charleston, SC, is from a genetically distinct ROPER family and appears slightly later in Charleston records. There was also a Benjamin ROPER, of Charles City County, Virginia, but there is NO EVIDENCE that this Benjamin ROPER migrated to Pendleton, SC. * * * The Pendleton record shows a household of a young couple consistent with a very recent marriage: Benjamin ROPER: 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1800] [Image 17 of 126 at Ancestry.com] See: "United States Census, 1800," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHRC-W8Q : accessed 12 Jun 2014), Benjm Roper, Not Stated, Pendleton District, South Carolina; citing "1800 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 110, NARA microfilm publication M32, roll 50, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 181425. Benjamin ROPER is shown to be age 26 to 44 (b abt 1756-74). The eldest female within this household is shown to be age 18 to 25 (b abt 1775-82). There is one male child under age 10. * * * Benjamin is again enumerated in Pendleton, SC, in 1810, with a growing family: Ben. ROPER:.... 4 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 3 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1810] See: "United States Census, 1810," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XH2Y-CTH : accessed 12 Jun 2014), Ben Rosser, Not Stated, Pendleton, South Carolina; citing "1810 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 282, line 750, NARA microfilm publication M252, roll 61, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0181420. Benjamin ROPER is shown to be age 26 to 44 (b abt 1766-84). The eldest female is shown to be of similar age. There are four (4) males under age 10 (b abt 1801-10) and three (3) females under age 10 in this household. * * * In 1820, Benjamin ROPER's family has continued to grow. Banjamin also owns a young male slave and a female slave for the first time: Benjamin ROPER: 2 - 0 - 1 - 3 - 0 - 1 -- 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 5 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1820] See: "United States Census, 1820," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHG6-3MP : accessed 12 Jun 2014), Benjamin Roper, Not Stated, Pendleton, South Carolina; citing "1820 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 181, NARA microfilm publication M33, roll 120, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0162023. Benjamin ROPER is shown to be age 45 or more (b bef 1776). The eldest female in this household is shown to be of a similar age. There seem to be a total of eleven younger members of this household, two (2) males under age 10 (b abt 1811-20), one (1) male age 16 to 17 (b abt 1803-4), three (3) males age 18 to 25 (b abt 1795-1802), two (2) females under age 10 (b abt 1811-20), two females age 10 to 17 (b abt 1803-10), and one (1) female age 18 to 25 (b abt 1795-1802). * * * This Benjamin ROPER last appears in the U.S. Census in 1830: Benjamin ROPER: 0 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Pickens, SC 1830] [Image 127 of 142 at Ancestry.com] See: "United States Census, 1830," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHGY-82V : accessed 12 Jun 2014), Benjamin Roper, Not Stated, Pickens, South Carolina; citing "1830 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 314, NARA microfilm publication M19, roll 173, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0022507. Benjamin ROPER is shown to be age 40 to 49 (b abt 1781-1790). The eldest female in Benjamin ROPER's household is shown to be a similar age. There are two males in Benjamin's household shown to be age 10 to 14 (b abt 1816-20), one male age 20 to 29 (b abt 1801-10), one female age 5 to 9 (1821-5), two females age 15 to 19 (b abt 1811-15) and one female age 20 to 29 (b abt 1801-10). One of the daughters appears to have married and left the household. Cornelius KEITH is a contemporary and is enumerated within the adjacent record in 1830. * * * * * BENJAMIN ROPER's AGE We thus have four observations from the Census data from which to make inferences about Benjamin ROPER's date of birth. b abt 1756-74 (age 26 to 44) [1800] b abt 1766-84 (age 26 to 44) [1810] b bef 1776 (age 45 or more) [1820] b abt 1781-1790 (age 40 to 49) [1830] The first three Census observations are consistent and might support a year of birth of 1766-74 if ALL of these are correct. The age shown within the 1830 Census report is inconsistent with the earlier enumerations. It should probably be noted that in 1830 Benjamin had a fairly large household which included a number of adults. The enumerator may have obtained the Census information from a member of the household other than Benjamin or his wife and this might account for the inconsistency. If, by contrast, the 1830 Census record is considered to be correct rather than anomalous, then BOTH the 1800 and the 1820 Census enumerations must have been in error. Moreover, since Benjamin ROPER was already married and had one son by 1800, this seems somewhat more consistent with the error being in the 1830 enumeration since a year of birth of 1781 would suggest that Benjamin married at age 18 or 19 and each possible birth year after 1781 would shave an additional year from Benjamin's age at marriage. The simplest explanation is that there is one anomalous Census record rather than two and that Benjamin ROPER was at the lower end of the age range suggested by the other three Census records (b abt 1766-74). * * * * * THE YEAR OF BIRTH OF BENJAMIN's WIFE We also have four observations as to the age of the eldest female in Benjamin ROPER's household, presumably Benjamin's wife: b abt 1775-82 (age 18 to 25) [1800] b abt 1766-84 (age 26 to 44) [1810] b bef 1776 (age 45 or more) [1820] b abt 1781-1790 (age 40 to 49) [1830] Note that again the 1830 Census result appears to be anomalous. The Census returns for 1800, 1810 and 1820, when combined, support an inference that Benjamin ROPER's wife was born abt 1775-6. The 1830 enumeration suggests she was born later. However, we must also necessarily recognize that it could be the 1820 Census result that is anomalous. If only the 1800, 1810 and 1830 Census data is considered, discarding the 1820 result, this might support a year of birth of 1781-2, NOT inconsistent with a marriage by about 1798-9. Based on other extant evidence discussed below, the identity of Benjamin's widow seems to be Susannah ROPER and this Susannah ROPER later appears Lumpkin, Georgia, as will be further discussed in future post: Susanna ROPER: 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 3 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Lumpkin, GA 1840] See: Susannah ROPER appears to be age 50 to 59 (b abt 1781-90) in the 1840 enumeration and therefore, in my view, the 1820 Census result for Susannah should be treated as anomalous and our estimate should be based solely on the 1800, 1810, 1830 and 1840 Census data. This supports an estimate of Susannah ROPER's age as born abt 1781-2. * * * * * Secondary sources assert that this Benjamin ROPER died on 08 Aug 1831. It is asserted that this Benjamin left a widow named Susannah ROPER and twelve children, of whom only 10 are mentioned by name: Meredith Roper, John H. Roper, Jacob Roper, Aaron Roper, Keziah Roper, Cazzy Roper wife of John Birus, Rachel Ward, ___ Roper, M. J. M. Keith, Benjamin Roper, Nancy Roper. The source of this information is NOT given, but the information is presumably abstracted from extant probate records. THOSE WITH A KEEN INTEREST IN THIS BRANCH OF THE FAMILY SHOULD OBTAIN, TRANSCRIBE AND POST THESE PROBATE RECORDS, AS THEY MAY CONTAIN VERY VALUABLE CLUES OMITTED BY THE ABSTRACTER. See: http://www.roperld.com/rsc18.htm There is also a separate abstract showing similar but slightly differing details, but identifying the underlying source: "Benjamin Roper, estate of, Box 3, #26. Probate Judge Office. Est. admr. 8 Aug 1831 by Wm. Sutherland, Wm. L. Keith who are bound unto James H. Hendy, Ord. in the sum of $400. Left a widow and 12 children. Heirs mentioned on 21 Nov 1831: John H., Jacob, Aaron, Sarah Roper, Rachel Ward, J. M. Keith, Keziah Roper, widow Nancy, Benjamin Roper decd, Susana Roper who married Moses Hendrick. On 18 Oct 1836 Wm. Sutherland wanted Mr. Dendy Ord. to pay Benj. Roper the part due John Byrus the husband of Cazzy Roper." Once again, this ABSTRACT was intended as a FINDING AID for the underlying record. Anyone who believes that family histories should be constructed from ABSTRACTS doesn't understand genealogy! Those interested in this family should OBTAIN, TRANSCRIBE and POST the underlying records. There may be a detail within the probate papers that could be exceptionally helpful in a further understanding of this family!! While it is UNCLEAR whether the information given is even correct and we cannot KNOW with any great certainty that the children are listed in the order shown in probate papers, extant Census data at least suggests that some of this information may be reliable and that the children may have been named in the order of their ages. Benjamin ROPER's children will be discussed further in a future post. * * * * * Secondary sources show a deed of land for 300 acres to Benjamin ROPER dated 29 Dec 1817: "Book O, p 88: Pendleton Dist, SC-Wm. Gipson for $600 from Benj. Roper of same, all land that Wm. Gipson bought of John Hudson, John Robertson and John Young, situated in Pendleton Dist on Weavers Creek, waters of the Oolenoy, containing 300 acres, being the place whereon said Benj. Roper now living. 29 Dec 1817. Wit: Thomas Crawford, John C. Gipson Wm. X Gipson" See: http://www.roperld.com/rsc18.htm I have NOT seen the underlying deed. There seems to be another record showing: "Benjamin Roper estate by Sherriff to Moses Hendricks, Book C-1, p 68, 1835, 243.5 acres Aulenoy" A sale by the Sheriff seems consistent with the possibility that Benjamin ROPER was in debt at his death and that his land was sold to satisfy the claims of creditors. The sale of this land also seems consistent with the subsequent removal of Benjamin ROPER's widow and children to Georgia after Benjamin ROPER's death. Weaver Creek is a stream in Pickens County flowing from roughly Lat. 35.0480556, Long. -82.6805556 (headwaters), to Lat. 35.0037293, Long. -82.6395735 (mouth), a tributary of the Oolenoy River. Weaver Creek flows into the Oolenoy River just South of Table Rock Road (SC State Highway 288) where it crosses Weaver Creek. This is just to the west of the junction of Table Rock Road and Miracle Hill Road and East of Pumpkintown Highway (SC State Highway 8). This location is almost immediately due West of Marietta (Greenville County), South Carolina. The site can be seen at this Google Map link: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0039485,-82.6411365,1106m/data=!3m1!1e3 Oolenoy Baptist Church is located immediately South of the place where Weaver Creek joins the Oolenoy River: https://www.google.com/maps/@34.9942775,-82.6409305,17z This is the Baptist church where Tyre L. ROPER was later pastor. There are a number of ROPERs known to be interred at the Oolenoy Baptist Church cemetery, however the earliest ROPER pioneers in this area may have been interred on their own property or may be interred in unmarked graves: http://files.usgwarchives.net/sc/pickens/cemeteries/p112.txt Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1915.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Frank: What a TERRIFIC FIND! Keep up this excellent work! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: batchelorw Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1915.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In searching the Internet for additional clues on the identity of the William Roper of Sumner County, TN, I came across two additional sources of information. Stephen Calvin Gregory was born on July 8, 1891 in Macon, TN. Besides being a minister, educator, genealogist, and civic leader, his was the publisher of a newspaper titled the Macon County times. Mr. Gregory wrote a regular feature column for his newspaper called "Cal's Column", which dealt with history of and pioneers of Macon County, which was created out of the northern part of Smith County in 1842. For that weekly column, he had others transcribe "the old records of the Quarterly Court and Pleas of Smith County, the court sitting at Fort Blount, now in Jackson County, Tenn." He would then comment on those entries, relating historical events and discussing families who still had deep ties to Smith and Macon Counties. The columns, which were published from 1946-1958, are a treasure trove of genealogical information on Smith and Macon Counties, and can be easily accessed by googling "Cal's Column". I have skimmed through most of those articles and found two entries on William Roper of Smith County: "Transcribed by Pat Stubbs March 1, 1951 CAL'S COLUMN "The following gentlemen were appointed as a venire to our ensuing Court; viz: William Martin, Grant Allen, James Ballou, Daniel Hammock, William Saunders, John Patterson, Patrick Donoho, Thomas Walker, William Roper, William Kelton, John Gray, Thomas Bowerman, Godfrey Fowler, William Haynie., John Chambers, William Stalcup, John Stafford, James Bradley, Andrew Greer, Richard Brittain, Jeremiah Taylor, Phillip Day, Charles McMurry, Anthony Samuel, John Murphy, John Brevard, David Keilough, Jr., Daniel Mungle, John Johnson, James Gibson, John Reid, Samuel Corrothers, John Rutherford, Robert Bowerman, Abraham Brittain and John Douglas." Here we have a list of 36 of the leading citizens of Smith County in December, 1800. Comment has been made about most of those whose names appear above. However, we have not commented on Daniel Hammock,*A* who, we suppose or presume, was the ancestor or relative of the Hammock family in Hartsville. We do not recall having seen the name of William Roper prior to its appearing in the above list. but we might be mistaken. Even if we have not mentioned it, we know nothing of the family except that Bill Roper is now connected with the subscription department of the Nashville Banner and the Nashville Tennessean." "Transcribed by Timothy R. Meador, Jr. July 5, 1951 We resume the publication of the old records of the Quarterly Court and Pleas of Smith County, the court sitting at Fort Blount, now in Jackson County, Tenn. The time is Wednesday, June 17, 1801. The record is in quotations marks. (See Note by R. D. Brooks)" "Venire Facias to the ensuing Court: William Martin, Vincent Ridley, Elias Johns, John Gray, Phillip Day, Charles McMurry, William Hargis, Grant Allen, Daniel Mungle, John Brevard, Richard Brittain, Andrew Greer, Anthony Samuel, James Bradley, James Cochran, Josiah Howell, John Shelton, John Johnson, John Douglas, William Saunders, Henry Dancer, Thomas Bowman, Robert Bowman, blacksmith: Edward Settles, Daniel Alexander, Charles Smith, Thomas Wimbs, William Gregory, Thomas Sutton, Aaron Hart, Edmond Boaz, Jeremiah Taylor, Frederick DeBow, William Roper and Isham Beasley." We have no information of John Gray, Anthony Samuel, James Cochran, Henry Dancer, Daniel Alexander, Charles Smith, Thomas Sutton, Jeremiah Taylor, or William Roper." The next two columns do not mention William Roper. However, I include them because they mention John Hargis and William Hargis: "Transcribed by Janette West Grimes December 20, 1951 CAL'S COLUMN We resume the publication of the old records of the Quarterly Court and Court of Pleas of Smith County, which included most of the present Macon County in the year 1801, which is the time of the meeting of the Court of which we are going to try to write. We give the actual record in quotation marks, followed by our own comments. The opening is as follows: "Dixon Springs, Tennessee, December 21st, 1801. Court met according to adjournment. Members present [viz] Tilman Dixon, Peter Turney, James Hibbetts, Esquires." The place was in the home of... "Venire Facias to the ensuing Court (viz) Grant Allen, Thomas Jamerson, Daniel McFarland, James Cherry, Thomas Bowman, Joel Dryer, Edmond Jennings, Wm. Saunders, John Rutherford, John Patterson, William Stalcup, James Gibson, William Hargis, John Sedgley, Francis Patterson, Francis Findley, Patrick Donoho, George Thomason, David Ventress, Eneas Harrold, William Simpson, William Penny, Josiah Payne, Thomas Armstrong, Nathaniel Brittain, Joel Dyer, Sr., John Chambers, Elisha Oglesby, John Murphy, Michael Murphy, Jeffrey Sutton, Daniel Hammock, Daniel Alexander and Jabez Gifford."" "Transcribed by Janette West Grimes June 18, 1953 CAL'S COLUMN We resume the publication of the old minutes of the Quarterly Court and Court of Pleas for Smith County, Tenn. The time is Wednesday, September 22, 1802. The opening item is as follows: "Court met according to adjournment. Members present: Charles Kavanaugh, Nathaniel Brittain, Peter Turney, William Kavanaugh, James Roberts." A list of the Venire to the next County Court (viz): Godfrey Fowler, Daniel Hammock, Edward Farris, Michael Murphy, John Payne, David Cochran, James Cochran, John Brevard, Jabus Gifford, Abraham Thompson, John Johnson, John Douglas, Philip Day, Charles McMurry, John Hargis, William Hargis, Isham Beasley, Thomas Bowman, Robert Bowman, William Boyd, Abram Brittain, Andrew Greer, Philip Thurman, William Payne, William Edwards, William Hankins, Samuel Carothers, William Cord, Samuel Hughes, Bill Hughes, John Murphy, William Alexander, Daniel Alexander, James Butler, Leonard Ballou and David Rorex."" I also found an article on USGENWEB which mentions Private William Roper as one of the "Smith County Revolutionary Volunteers" in a letter dated February 15, 1812, which would indicate that William Roper still resided in Smith County as of that date: "SMITH COUNTY, TN - MISC - Patriotic Veterans ==================================================================== USGENWEB NOTICE: In keeping with our policy of providing free information on the Internet, data may be used by non-commercial entities, as long as this message remains on all copied material. These electronic pages may NOT be reproduced in any format for profit or for presentation by other persons or organizations. Persons or organizations desiring to use this material for purposes other than stated above must obtain the written consent of the file contributor. The submitter has given permission to the USGenWeb Archives to store the file permanently for free access. This file was contributed for use in the USGenWeb Archives by: Sereptha4988@cs.com ==================================================================== Carthage Gazette Saturday, March 14, 1812. No. 142. Vol. III. Patriotic Veterans With a conscious glow of pride and pleasure we call the attention of our readers to the following patriotic tender from the fathers of our country. He must deserve to be a slave whose pulse does not beat in unison with these gray headed volunteers, called by the Genius of Liberty once more from their peaceful dwellings to the tented field, to protect that Independence they fought to purchase. With youthful hearts and experienced heads success must crown exertions in the field, against any and every foe. In the produest days of Roman Virtue, a more brilliant example of Patriotism is not found, nay we can challenge all history for parallel cases to those of our country.......Clarion. Dixon Springs, February 15, 1812. To Brigadier General James Winchester Sir, We the undersigned, most of whom served in the late revolutionary war, have for years past, seen, with deep concern our national rights violated and outraged to an enormous extent, by the great belligerents of Europe, and we have seen at the same time, a disposition manifested in every act of our government to obtain in an amicable and conciliatory manner, redress for those abuses and to prevent a continuanace thereof. To this end, negotiation as it respects one of those powers [Great Britain] has been exhausted in vain. That proud and unprincipled nation, instead of attnding to and removing our just causes of complaint, have continued to multiply our grievances, and add insult to injury. In this state of things, longer forebearance would be unpardonable: and we rejoice to see that congress has determined on a different course of measures which promises to cause our rights to be respected in future, and in pursuance of which we conceive war to be inevitable. In that event it is probable that the whoe strength may be required to ensure success: and that the active part of our force may be occasionally called to distant service, which, afford to the disaffected, [if any there should be amoung us] an opportunity of doing much injur to the defenseless. Therefore for the purpose of defending the property of our younger brethren while they are fighting our battles abroad, and to suppress and put down any combination which may manifest itself inimical to our government, we have embodied into a company under the command of Major Tilmon Dixon, to be denominated the SMITH COUNTY REVOLUTIONARY VOLUNTEERS: and in that way and for the purpose aforesaid, do through you, Sir, tender our services to our country. In doing this we feel a pride in offering ourselaves a second time on the "altar of liberty". Although with the fatigues of the war, and the wear of many years since our bodily powers are much imparied, yet our zeal for our country's good is not abated. We have a greater degree of confidence that our services will be well directed, when we remember that we are to act under YOUR command. Yes, Sir, to be commanded by one who participated in the toils by which our rights were procured, and who knows how to appreciate the services of the men of that day inspires us with renewed vigor. In reviewing the scenes through which we have passed and anticipating those which may remain to be unfolded, there are sensations produced in us, more easily conceived of, than expressed. With a consoling hope and belief that our sons are zealous to maintain at every hazard those blessings which we with others obtained at the expense of so much blood and treasure, toil and suffering, and that this best of heavens gifts to earth may be perpetuated to the latest posterity is our most fervent prayer. And should it be the purpose of Him who rules the destiny of this land to spare us to see our beloved country safely and honorably delivered from her present difficulties and the olive branch once more spreading over all our borders, we will then retreat to our respective quarters, and lay our wearied heads on the pillow of rest, and our gray hairs will go down to the grave in peace. We cannot willingly conclude this address without declaring our high confidence in the public functionaries of our country, we believe that they have done every thing that human wisdom could devise and moral virtue approve, to maintain our rights and save the country from the calamities of war; but finding from experience that every effort to accomplish those desireable ends has failed of success, their having assumed a higher and more dignified attitude meets our entire approbation; and in the prosecution of which we pledge ourselves to support them, at the hazard of our lives, our property and sacred honor. We are, dear General, with sentiments of due respect and high consideration, your friends and brother soldiers, Tilmon Dixon, Capt. William Walton, 1st Lieut. Walter Caroth, 2nd, Lieut. James Bradley, Ensign John Wiseman, Chaplin William Alexander, 1st. Serg. William Haynie, 2nd do. Richard Alexander, 3rd do. Caleb Carman, Drummer Chip Boston, Fifer Jacob Burries, Private Andrew Greer Andrew Hoover Debony Malown Grant Allen John Gammon Richard Banks John Lovelady John Hargis John Barkley Francis Surles Charles McMurry John Shelton Phillip Day Frank Whiles Obediah Sanders William Legan Thomas Tabbott Charles Donoho Nicholas Shrum David Cochran Francis Moore William Moore Daniel Campbell Daniel Hammock Frederick Turner William Goodale Jacob Benton Hugh Shaw Philip Watson William Thompson James Wilson Johan Roseby John Ferguson William Collee William Roper John Brevard James Hibbits Champ Madden Daniel Burford Parish Lankford John Dorrece Shelton Smith ____ Stilwell Warren Walker In addition to the foregoing roll I have selected five active youths of about 15 years of age for the purpose of riding expresses, warning the company for duty and carrying messages [to wit] George Winchester Martin, Roger Dixon Flippen, Major Anderson Beasley, Martin Burrus and Isaac Goodale, which I trust will meet your approbation. 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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Sahareia Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1926/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Trying to find some information on a Roper male born South Carolina 1856-1860 who moved to Tennessee. This Roper was apparently son of Cherokee mother. According to oral history he had wife in TN who either died or he deserted. For several years he worked as a 'ranger" across the Cherokee reservations. Later he worked for Pinkerton Agency. In late 1890 he was in Oklahoma and finally settled in Texas where he died. His obit mentions detective work in his younger years and census indicates two marriages. I have been told that he changed his Christian names and lived with an uncle's family for a time. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Brown Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1925.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Within the previous post, I identified a Margaret ROPER, shown to be age 1 in 1850 and age 12 in 1860 (b abt 1848-9 - TN) who seems likely to be a daughter of John S. ROPER and Mary Ann ROBESON and granddaughter of James ROPER and Peggy McNALLY. This Margaret ROPER is shown to reside in Monroe County, TN, in 1850, and in Roane County, TN, in 1860. There is an extant marriage record in nearby Jefferson County, TN, reflected by a marriage license dated 24 Sep 1869 showing the marriage of a Margaret ROPER to a Richard BROWN. See: "Tennessee, Marriages, 1796-1950," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X8YJ-5V7 : accessed 10 Jun 2014), Richard Brown and Margaret Roper, 24 Sep 1869; citing Jefferson, Tennessee, reference ; FHL microfilm 968301. * * * James ROPER's granddaughter Margaret ROPER would have been about age 20 to 21 at the date of this marriage. There are several contemporary Margaret ROPERs in Tennessee and South Carolina, including a Margaret L. ROPER (b 13 Jun 1847 - TN)), daughter of Wiley Blount ROPER and Minerva FRY; Margaret ROPER, daughter of Solomon and Sarah ROPER (b abt 1848 - SC), of Bedford, TN; and Margaret ROPER, daughter of Mary ROPER (b abt 1842 - TN), of Fayette, TN. * * * Secondary sources assert that Margaret L. ROPER, daughter of Wiley Blount ROPER, married Franklin Jesse WHITE in Bentonville, Arkansas, on 18 Mar 1869. (The propensity of Margaret ROPERs to marry men with surnames of colors cannot be readily explained from available data!) The fact of such a marriage is supported by primary records. See: "Arkansas, County Marriages, 1837-1957," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N97L-6J1 : accessed 10 Jun 2014), Jesse F White and Margaret L Roper, 18 Mar 1869; citing , Benton, Arkansas, United States; FHL microfilm 1034660. * * * Secondary sources also assert that Margaret Louise ROPER (b 06 Aug 1846 - SC), daughter of Solomon ROPER, married William M. JOHNSON, on 15 May 1861 in Bedford, TN. * * * * * A marriage record exists showing the marriage of Maggie ROPER to J. R. PEARCE on 03 Dec 1866 in Fayette County, TN. See: "Tennessee, County Marriages, 1790-1950," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KZWP-JZZ : accessed 10 Jun 2014), J R Pearce and Maggie Roper, 03 Dec 1866; citing Fayette, Tennessee, United States, ; FHL microfilm 1003129. * * * The proximity and timing of the Margaret ROPER - Richard BROWN marriage when coupled with marriage records showing the marriages of other contemporary Margaret ROPERs to others seems to me to support the ascription of this marriage to James ROPER's granddaughter. However, researchers ought to treat this ascription as tentative absent some other confirming evidence. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, McNally, McNeely, McLemore, Robison, Robeson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1925/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There is a James ROPER shown to have resided in McMinn and Monroe, Tennessee from 1830 to 1850. This James ROPER is first shown in the 1830 Census, residing in McMinn. James ROPER: 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- NO SLAVES [McMinn, TN 1830] [Image 45 of 156 at Ancestry.com] See: "United States Census, 1830," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHP4-612 : accessed 10 Jun 2014), James Roper, Not Stated, McMinn, Tennessee; citing "1830 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 152, NARA microfilm publication M19, roll 178, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0024536. James ROPER is shown to be age 30 to 39 (b abt 1791-1800). There is a female shown to be of similar age, a younger female shown to be age 20 to 29 (b abt 1801-1810), a male shown to be age 5 to 9 (b abt 1821-5), and two females shown to be age 5 to 9. * * * James ROPER: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- NO SLAVES [McMinn, TN 1840] [Image 45 of 126 at Ancestry.com] See: "United States Census, 1840," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHYG-31X : accessed 10 Jun 2014), Jas Roper, Not Stated, Mcminn, Tennessee; citing "1840 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 100, NARA microfilm publication M704, roll 527, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0024547. James ROPER is shown to be age 50 to 59 (b abt 1781-90). There is a female shown to be age 40 to 49 (b abt 1791-1800). The younger male seems to have already left the household. Two females seem to have left the household, leaving one additional female age 15 to 19 (b abt 1821-5). * * * The only other ROPER in McMinn, TN, in 1840 seems too old to be this James ROPER's son who was shown to be age 5 to 9 in 1830: George ROPER: 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- NO SLAVES [McMinn, TN 1840] [Image 25 of 126 at Ancestry.com] See: "United States Census, 1840," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHYG-3DN : accessed 10 Jun 2014), George Roper, Not Stated, Mcminn, Tennessee; citing "1840 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 90, NARA microfilm publication M704, roll 527, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0024547. * * * * * John S. ROPER is shown to have married Mary Ann ROBESON on 28 Sep 1843 in McMinn, Tennessee (marriage license dated 27 Sep 1843). Rev. John SCRUGGS performed the ceremony. See: "Tennessee, County Marriages, 1790-1950," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-9814-4923-58?cc=1619127 : accessed 10 Jun 2014), 004539034 > image 61 of 1389. This seems reasonably consistent with a young man who was born abt 1821-5, as found in James ROPER's household in 1830, since this young man would have therefore been age 18 to 22 in 1843. Mary Ann ROBESON seems most likely to be a daughter of either the widow Elizabeth ROBISON [Image 1] or of Thomas ROBISON [Image 89], of McMinn, TN, each of whom had daughters of a marriageable age in 1840. Neither of these seems immediately proximate to James ROPER's hosuehold, but if John S. ROPER is the young man shown in the 1830 Census record, he had already left home by 1840. * * * There was also a marriage between Mary ROPER and William AINSWORTH on 06 Aug 1841 in Monroe, TN. This might have been the female age 15 to 19 in 1840, though this is a somewhat more speculative ascription. (Another source gives the marriage date as 06 Jul 1842.) I do NOT see a marriage in or near McMinn, Blount or Monroe which would explain the disappearance of two of the younger females between 1830 and 1840, but the marriage records may be incomplete and/or either might have married farther from home and without the names of these maidens any identification of a marriage is speculative anyway. * * * United States Census -- 1850 District 12, Monroe, Tennessee [29 Oct 1850] James ROPER, age 64, , Male, Farmer, Born NC Margarett ROPER, age 50, Female, Born VA Mary ROPER, age 28, Female, Born Tn James ROPER, age 8, Male, Born Tn Margarett ROPER, age 1, Female, Born Tn See: "United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MCDT-V8J : accessed 10 Jun 2014), James Roper, Monroe county, Monroe, Tennessee, United States; citing family 1366, NARA microfilm publication M432. We can surmise from this Census record that James and Margaret ROPER are likely to be married to one another. Mary ROPER, age 28, seems likely to be a widowed daughter-in-law. The two grandchildren seem to be named for their grandparents. James ROPER has probably exaggerated his age, as children sometimes do. * * * * * James ROPER is shown to have been married to Peggy McNALLY on 23 Dec 1819 by Rev. William FAGG. (The marriage license is dated 22 Dec 1819.) "Tennessee, County Marriages, 1790-1950," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15206-41782-69?cc=1619127 : accessed 10 Jun 2014), 004646472 > image 2546 of 3041. Peggy is possibly a sister of Charles McNALLY or AcANELY, of McMinn, TN. There was also a James and a Robert McNEELY in nearby Blount, TN. * * * United States Census -- 1860 District 5, Roane, Tennessee Joseph L. McLEMORE, age 45, Laborer, born Tenneessee Mary McLEMORE, age 35, Female, born Tenneessee Archar A. McLEMORE, age 17, Male, Laborer, born Tenneessee Louesa [sic] McLEMORE, age 7, Female, born Tenneessee Isaabella T. McLEMORE, age 4, Female, born Tenneessee Albert W. Y. McLEMORE, age 1/12, Male, born Tenneessee Margaret ROPER, age 12, Female, born Tenneessee James A. ROPER, age 18, Male, born Tenneessee Margaret ROPER, age 55, Female, born Virginia [Image 12 of 24] See: "United States Census, 1860," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M8TL-RVL : accessed 10 Jun 2014), Margaret Roper in household of Joseph L Mc Lemore, 5th District, Roane, Tennessee, United States; citing "1860 U.S. Federal Census - Population," Fold3.com; p. 105, household ID 733, NARA microfilm publication M653; FHL microfilm 805269. * * * * * Joseph L. McLEMORE is shown to have married Mary ROPER on 19 Apr 1853 in Blount County, TN (marriage license date 06 Apr 1853). See: "Tennessee, County Marriages, 1790-1950," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15208-42824-72?cc=1619127 : accessed 10 Jun 2014), 004646470 > image 275 of 3020. * * * * * I have found no record of Margaret ROPER, Mary McLEMORE or James ROPER (b abt 1842 - TN) after the 1860 Census. Young James ROPER was of the age that was caught up in the Civil War. I have thus far made only a cursory investigation trying to find the grandson James ROPER. Does anyone have any insight into this ROPER family that they can share? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Barnes Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1758.6/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Within David ROPER's 1830 and 1840 Census records, there are more youngsters than have been accounted for by presently ascribed children: David ROPER: 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [St. Louis, MO 1830] David ROPER: 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Greene, MO 1840] There are three females under age 15 in 1830: one (1) under age 5, one (1) age 5 to 9, and one (1) age 10 to 14. However, by 1850, there are ZERO females residing in David ROPER's household. Within a sketch of William Henry FULBRIGHT (b 15 Aug 1837 - Greene, MO), we were given some genealogical details of his grandmother: "He is the son of John Lawson and Elizabeth O. (Roper) Fulbright. He is the scion of two old American families of colonial stock. His grandfather, David Roper was a soldier in the war of 1812, and fought at the battle of Horse Shoe under Gen. Andrew Jackson. The great-grandfather on his mother's side was a soldier in the Revolutionary war." "John L. Fulbright, father of the immediate subject of this sketch, was born on October 11, 1816, and was therefore thirteen years of age when he came with his parents to Greene county and here he grew to manhood and engaged in farming. ... The death of John L. Fulbright occurred on October 31, 1882, on the old farm in Campbell township. His wife, who was born in Tennessee in 1816, died on the homestead here June 21, 1885." See: "William Henry FULBRIGHT (b 15 Aug 1837 - Greene, MO)" (11 Mar 2014 10:07PM) http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.roper/1698.3.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.2.4.1/mb.ashx Thus, one of David ROPER's daughters was the Elizabeth ROPER's (b 1816 - TN, d 21 Jun 1885 - Greene, MO) who married John Lawson FULBRIGHT. Elizabeth would have been age 14 in 1830 and would have been the eldest of the three possible daughters shown within the 1830 Census record. That still leaves two other younger females, about whom little is known. * * * However, I would submit that David ROPER's residence within the household of J. T. BARNES and A. E. BARNES in 1865 is probably telling. Though no relationship is shown in the Kansas State Census record, the presence of both David ROPER and William F. ROPER in J. T. BARNES' household, with David ROPER's son David S. ROPER enumerated in the adjacent record is highly suggestive of some family connection. The 1860 Census record of this couple, residing in Turnback, Lawrence, MO, gives us some additional evidence. That record shows a young couple named James T. BARNES, age 35, and Ann Eliza. BARNES, age 33, with three young children: David N., age 5, Rebecca E, age 3, and L. J. (female), age 3/12. [Ancestry Image 2 of 23]] See: * * Note that the names of the two children correspond to the names of David ROPER and his then deceased wife Rebecca Cannon ROPER. This seems to me to be unlikely to be a chance result. Ann E. BARNES, at age 33, would have been age 3 at the date of the 1830 Census and would have been under age 5. She would have been age 10 to 14 in 1840. Ann E. BARNES is also shown to be born in Tennessee. * * Moreover, David ROPER is shown to be residing within the SAME township enumerated with son William ROPER three Census pages later [Image 5 of 23]. * * * This same couple seems to have been residing in Jackson Township, Greene County, MO, in 1850. James T. BARNES is shown to be age 25, and Ann E. BARNES is shown to be age 20 in that record. They have a child Thos. Mc. BARNES, age 4/12. See: * * * 1. Thus the clues are that Ann E. BARNES first appears by name in the 1850 Census in the same county as David ROPER in 1850. She is shown to be born in Tennessee. She is the correct age to be David ROPER's daughter. 2. Ann Elizabeth BARNES next appears with her husband and children in Lawrence County, MO, in 1860. David ROPER and William F. ROPER appear in Turnback, Lawrence, MO, the same year [Image 5 of 23]. (This record is mis-indexed as "ROSSER"). 3. Ann E. BARNES names two children David and Rebecca, which would correspond to the names of the her parents and child's grandparents IF Ann is David and Rebecca ROPER's daughter. 4. David ROPER and William F. ROPER reside within James and Ann E. ROPER's household in Jefferson County, Kansas in 1865. David ROPER's other son David S. ROPER is enumerated within the adjacent record. While I will stop short of definitively declaring an ascription of Ann E. BARNES as David ROPER's daughter, this seems to me to be a productive avenue of inquiry. * * * * It also might be a good idea to take a closer look at the Joseph and Jane FOSTER residing adjacent to William ROPER in Lawrence, MO, in 1860. Jane is age 35 and Joseph and Jane have a son named "David". This is a suggested avenue of inquiry, NOT an ascription! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1899.7/mb.ashx Message Board Post: As part of my continuing elaboration of the Majority USA ROPER family data for South Carolina, I recently created this thread: "John ROPER (b abt 1756-66), of Pendleton, SC" (08 Jun 2014 1:51AM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1923/mb.ashx Within this additional post, I show reasonably conclusive evidence that John ROPER's (b 08 Jan 1788 - NC, d Oct 1863) father was John ROPER (b abt 1756-66), of Pendleton, SC: "Children of John ROPER (b abt 1756-66), of Pendleton, SC" (9 Jun 2014 11:24AM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1923.1/mb.ashx * * * I also demonstrate that James ROPER (b abt 1786 - NC), David ROPER (b 08 Jun 1792 - SC, d 17 Apr 1878 - Lawrence, MO) and Ewel ROPER (b abt 1791-1800 - SC) were also probably sons of this same John ROPER. Joseph ROPER (b abt 1775-82) may also be a son of John ROPER and brother of John ROPER's (b 08 Jan 1788 - NC, d Oct 1863). Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1923.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Although the 1790 and 1800 Census records for John ROPER do NOT give us a clear sense of the identity of the children of John ROPER (b abt 1756-66), of Pendleton, SC, they DO afford a tremendous amount of insight into the composition of his household, giving use clues that can help us ascertain the identity of the children: John ROPER: 1 - 3 - 2 -- 0 [Pendleton, SC 1790] John ROPER: 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1800] >From the 1790 Census, we can see that John ROPER has three males under age 16 residing within his household. Implicitly, these three males must have been born abt 1775-90. If these are, in fact, sons, and the additional female is a daughter, we would expect the daughter would likely fall in this same age range. Assuming, without concluding, that John ROPER's household in 1790 included ONLY members of his immediate family, a wife, three sons and a daughter, we might expect John ROPER had at least these children in 1790: Son (abt 1775-90) Son (abt 1775-90) Son (abt 1775-90) Daughter (abt 1775-90) * The 1800 Census data gives much more specific information. There are shown to be two males under age 10 (b abt 1791-1800). There are also two males age 10 to 17 (b abt 1783-90). There is one female age 18 to 25 (b abt 1775-82). If the Census data is precisely correct and all persons residing within his household in 1790 and 1800 are members of his immediate family, John ROPER seems to have had a total of five sons, with one either dying or leaving the household by 1800. The female in John ROPER's household in 1800 is too young to be the mother of the elder sons and seems more likely to be the daughter implied by the 1790 Census data. This is also suggested by the appearance of ONLY two sons under age ten and NO FEMALES in this age range. For a young couple, it would be more common for there to be more than two sons in the decade from 1790 to 1800 UNLESS the wife had died, probably during childbirth. Thus, we have a possible household composition of: Daughter (b abt 1775-82) Son (b abt 1775-90) Son (b abt 1783-90) Son (b abt 1783-90) Son (b abt 1791-1800 - SC) Son (b abt 1791-1800 - SC) Since the possible daughter seems to be unmarried, this suggests that she is probably at the low end of the possible age range, which is also more consistent with her appearing within a continuous birth sequence with her brothers. Of greatest significance is the fact that the two youngest sons would have been BORN IN SOUTH CAROLINA. Realize that while there was a genetically distinct ROPER family descended from immigrant William ROPER seated at Charleston and continuously occupying the South Carolina low country from the 1730s, that the FIRST persistent KNOWN appearance of MUR ROPERs in upper South Carolina was with the arrival of THIS John ROPER enumerated in the 1790 Census. There is also an ambiguous Thomas RAPER or ROPER record, also in Pendleton. While there were quite a few ROPERs shown to have arrived in Pendleton, Edgefield and possibly Greenville, SC, by 1800, this John ROPER is the ONLY ROPER KNOWN to have inhabited South Carolina in 1790. Thus, ANY MALE ROPER shown to have been shown to have been born in South Carolina in the early 1790s would be a good candidate to be one of the younger sons of John ROPER shown in the 1800 Census record. * * * * * We are presented with precisely such a candidate in the person of David ROPER (b 08 Jun 1792 - SC, d 17 Apr 1878 - Lawrence, MO), of Greene County, and later Lawrence County, Missouri. Within this David ROPER's 1850 Census record, he is shown to be born in South Carolina. It should be noted that while residing with his son William Fagg ROPER in Lawrence, MO, in 1870, this David ROPER is shown to be born in Alabama, this seems UNLIKELY for several reasons. First, Alabama did NOT exist as a state at the date of David ROPER's birth. Second, Alabama was part of the Mississippi Territory and wasn't then occupied by white settlers except for the Spanish presence at Mobile. Third, there is NO EVIDENCE of the residence of any ROPER family in Alabama prior to 1810. For these reasons, the assertion that David ROPER was born in Alabama should probably be discounted. Thus, David ROPER (b 08 Jun 1792 - SC, d 17 Apr 1878 - Lawrence, MO), of Greene, MO, seems to be a particularly compelling candidate to be a son of John ROPER (b abt 1756-66), of Pendleton, SC. * * * * * Secondary sources have suggested that David ROPER, of Greene, MO, was a brother of John ROPER (b 08 Jan 1788 - NC, d Oct 1863), of Greene and Pulaski Counties, Missouri. There are abundant reasons to suspect that David ROPER and John ROPER might have been brothers. But of greatest significance is my finding suggesting that John ROPER, of Greene and Pulaski, is the SAME John ROAPER shown in the 1830 Census in Monroe County, Tennessee. That John ROPER or ROAPER is enumerated adjacent to a household denominated that of John ROAPER, but containing what appears to be John ROPER's widowed mother (or stepmother). Thus, there is already much reason to suspect that John ROPER's (b 08 Jan 1788 - NC, d Oct 1863) father was also named John ROPER. That David ROPER (b 08 Jun 1792 - SC, d 17 Apr 1878 - Lawrence, MO) is KNOWN to have been from East Tennessee, where he is KNOWN to have served in the Blount County militia during the War of 1812 would seem to further strengthen the ascription. * * * * * A third possible brother would be James ROPER (b abt 1786 - NC) enumerated residing in Monroe County with wife Margaret ("Peggy") McNally ROPER in 1850. David ROPER named his son William Fagg ROPER (b 10 May 1819 - TN). James ROPER and Peggy McNALLY were married by Methodist minister William FAGG on 23 Dec 1819 in Blount, TN, where David ROPER served in the militia. See my posts: "James ROPER (b abt 1786 - NC) m Peggy McNALLY in Blount, TN, on 23 Dec 1819" (14 Mar 2014 3:41AM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1787.5.1/mb.ashx "Error in Inferred Year of Birth of James ROPER (b abt 1786 - NC)" (14 Mar 2014 1:15AM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1787.5/mb.ashx * * * * * A fourth brother is suggested by the coincident appearance of a Ewel ROPER in the same Blount County militia unit in which David ROPER served during the War of 1812. While coincident service in the militia is a rather thin basis to ascribe a relationship, John ROPER's (b 08 Jan 1788 - NC, d Oct 1863) named his eldest son Francis Yewell ROPER (b 16 Sep 1813 - TN). Since there is no further record of Ewel ROPER after the War of 1812, it seems likely that Ewel ROPER died young. * * * * * This accounts for four of the five possible sons of John ROPER, of Pendleton, SC. A fifth possible son is the Joseph ROPER shown residing in Pendleton in the 1800 Census: Joseph ROPER: 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1800] This Joseph ROPER is shown to be age 18 to 25 in 1800 (b abt 1775-82). There is a female of a comparable age and one female under age 10. This household has the indicia of a recently married couple. If the couple had been married longer than two years, we might expect there to be additional children. Joseph is found on the Census page immediately following that of John ROPER. Joseph ROPER's age range is consistent with the unidentified son (b abt 1775-90) implicit in the 1790 Census record who seems to have departed the household by 1800. * * * * * Thus, we have these possible sons of John ROPER (b abt 1756-66), of Pendleton, SC: Joseph ROPER (b abt 1775-82) James ROPER (b abt 1786 - NC) John ROPER (b 08 Jan 1788 - NC, d Oct 1863) David ROPER (b 08 Jun 1792 - SC, d 17 Apr 1878 - Lawrence, MO) Ewel ROPER (b abt 1791-1800 - SC) * John ROPER seems to have remarried after 1800 and may have OTHER sons born after 1800, probably born in South Carolina or Tennessee. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1924/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Wofford College (South Carolina) maintains an online index of obituaries which appeared within the newspapers of the SOuth Carolina Conference of the Methodist Church, Southern Christian Advocate and the South Carolina United Methodist Advocate. The Southern Christian Advocate awas published beginning in 1837. The search page is at: http://www.wofford.edu/Library/archives/archiveobituary.aspx I have summarized below the search results of the ROPER obituaries shown within this Index. I have NOT sought to obtain any of the underlying obituaries, which may be obtained directly from the Wofford Archives. Alphabetical ROPER, Beulah, Obituary Dated 26 Apr 1945; Vol. 109, No. 17, Page 12, Col. 1 ROPER, Daniel C., Died 11 Apr 1943, Spouse - Lou McKENZIE, Parents - John Wesley & Henrietta V. ROPER, Obituary Dated 22 Apr 1943; Vol. 107, No. 16, Page 7, Col. 2 ROPER, Daniel C., Died 11 Apr 1943, Spouse - Lou McKENZIE, Parents - John Wesley & Henrietta V. ROPER, Obituary Dated 01 Jul 1943; Vol. 107, No. 36, Page 14, Col. 1 ROPER, Dr. Charles P., Died 09 Sep 1957, Spouse - Cora INMANN, Parents - Dr. John C. & Edith Mosley ROPER, Obituary Dated 26 Sep 1957; Vol. 121, No. ?, Page 11, Col. 3 ROPER, Dr. John Caswell, Died 18 Oct 1958, Spouse - Edith Bull MOSELEL, Obituary Dated 30 Oct 1958; Vol. 122, No. ?, Page 10, Col. 2 ROPER, Dr. John C., Died 11 Oct 1958 at Union SC, Obituary Dated 06 Nov 1958; Vol. 122, No. 44, Page 14, Col. 3 ROPER, Edith Bull Moseley, Died 13 Jul 1963 at Carlisle, SC, Spouse - Dr. John Caswell ROPER, Obituary Dated 01 Aug 1963; Vol. 127, No. 30, Page 14, Col. 2 ROPER, Edith Bull Moseley, Died 13 Jul 1963 at Carlisle, SC, Obituary Dated 19 Sep 1963; Vol. 127, No. 37, Page 14, Col. 3 ROPER, Edward Young Sr., Died 20 May 2010 at Columbia, SC, Spouse - Mary Lee Flowers ROPER, Obituary Dated Jun 2010; Vol. 174, No. 6, Page 26, Col. 3 ROPER, Eula Cobb, Died 05 Oct 1922, Spouse - A. W. ROPER, Obituary Dated 16 Nov 1922; Vol. 86, No. 47, Page 12, Col. 2 ROPER, Joe Earl, Died 18 Nov 1963 at Easley, SC, Obituary Dated 19 Dec 1963; Vol. 127, No. 50, Page 7, Col. 2 ROPER, John Caswell, Died Sep 1935 at Chester, SC, Spouse - Wilhelmina YOUNG, Father - Dr. John C. ROPER, Obituary Dated 11 Jul 1935; Vol. 99, No. 28, Page 7, Col. 1 ROPER, John Wesley, Obituary Dated 11 Apr 1895; Vol. 58, No. 43, Page 6, Col. 4 ROPER, Margaret, Died 15 Aug 1872, Spouse - Caswell ROPER, Obituary Dated 30 Oct 1872; Vol. 35, No. ?, Page 172, Col. 5 ROPER, Margaret H., Obituary Dated 19 Jan 1849; Vol. 12, No. 33, Page 132, Col. 1 ROPER. Martha, Spouse - John ROPER, Obituary Dated 27 Nov 1846; Vol. 10, No. 25, Page 100, Col. 1 ROPER, Martha, Obituary Dated 29 Mar 1879; Vol. 41, No. 4, Page 7, Col. 2 ROPER, Martha Jane, Died 04 Aug 1959 at Bennettsville, SC, Obituary Dated 20 Aug 1959; Vol. 123, No. 33, Page 14, Col. 3 ROPER, Mary, Obituary Dated 12 Aug 1837; Vol. 1, No. 8, Page 31, Col. 3 ROPER, Mary M, Obituary Dated 07 Jun 1884; Vol. 47, No. 22, Page 7, Col. 2 ROPER, Mary Viola, Obituary Dated 17 Mar 1892; Vol. 55, No. 39, Page 6, Col. 4 ROPER, Nanny S., Died 05 Mar 1996, Obituary Dated Apr 1996; Vol. 160, No. 4, Page 6, Col. 3 ROPER, Olin, Died May 1905 at Darlington, SC, Father - Rev. J. C. ROPER, Obituary Dated 11 May 1905; Vol. 68, No. 46, Page 8, Col. 3 ROPER, Pokahontas McCall, Died 11 Mar 1915 at Bennettsville, SC, Spouse - L. B. ROPER, Parents - John L. & Nancy McCALL, Obituary Dated 03 Jun 1915; Vol. 78, No. 54, Page 13, Col. 2 ROPER, Robert Boyed, Obituary Dated 27 Sep 1900; Vol. 64, No. 15, Page 10, Col. 1 ROPER, Robert L., Died 09 Jun 1961 at Lake City, SC, Obituary Dated 29 Jun 1961; Vol. 125, No. 25, Page 11, Col. 3 ROPER, Wilhelmina Young, Died 26 Jan 1933 at Chester, SC, Spouse - John Caswell ROPER, Jr., Obituary Dated 02 Feb 1933; Vol. 97, No. 5, Page 6, Col. 4 ROPER, Wilhelmina Young, Died 26 Jan 1933 at Chester, SC, Spouse - John Caswell ROPER, Jr., Obituary Dated 23 Mar 1933; Vol. 97, No. 12, Page 13, Col. 1 ROPER, William W., Died 14 Sep 1960 at Easley, SC, Obituary Dated 29 Sep 1960; Vol. 124, No. 38, Page 15, Col. 1 * * * By Obituary Date ROPER, Mary, Obituary Dated 12 Aug 1837; Vol. 1, No. 8, Page 31, Col. 3 ROPER. Martha, Spouse - John ROPER, Obituary Dated 27 Nov 1846; Vol. 10, No. 25, Page 100, Col. 1 ROPER, Margaret H., Obituary Dated 19 Jan 1849; Vol. 12, No. 33, Page 132, Col. 1 ROPER, Margaret, Died 15 Aug 1872, Spouse - Caswell ROPER, Obituary Dated 30 Oct 1872; Vol. 35, No. ?, Page 172, Col. 5 ROPER, Martha, Obituary Dated 29 Mar 1879; Vol. 41, No. 4, Page 7, Col. 2 ROPER, Mary M, Obituary Dated 07 Jun 1884; Vol. 47, No. 22, Page 7, Col. 2 ROPER, Mary Viola, Obituary Dated 17 Mar 1892; Vol. 55, No. 39, Page 6, Col. 4 ROPER, John Wesley, Obituary Dated 11 Apr 1895; Vol. 58, No. 43, Page 6, Col. 4 ROPER, Robert Boyed, Obituary Dated 27 Sep 1900; Vol. 64, No. 15, Page 10, Col. 1 ROPER, Olin, Died May 1905 at Darlington, SC, Father - Rev. J. C. ROPER, Obituary Dated 11 May 1905; Vol. 68, No. 46, Page 8, Col. 3 ROPER, Pokahontas McCall, Died 11 Mar 1915 at Bennettsville, SC, Spouse - L. B. ROPER, Parents - John L. & Nancy McCALL, Obituary Dated 03 Jun 1915; Vol. 78, No. 54, Page 13, Col. 2 ROPER, Eula Cobb, Died 05 Oct 1922, Spouse - A. W. ROPER, Obituary Dated 16 Nov 1922; Vol. 86, No. 47, Page 12, Col. 2 ROPER, Wilhelmina Young, Died 26 Jan 1933 at Chester, SC, Spouse - John Caswell ROPER, Jr., Obituary Dated 02 Feb 1933; Vol. 97, No. 5, Page 6, Col. 4 ROPER, Wilhelmina Young, Died 26 Jan 1933 at Chester, SC, Spouse - John Caswell ROPER, Jr., Obituary Dated 23 Mar 1933; Vol. 97, No. 12, Page 13, Col. 1 ROPER, John Caswell, Died Sep 1935 at Chester, SC, Spouse - Wilhelmina YOUNG, Father - Dr. John C. ROPER, Obituary Dated 11 Jul 1935; Vol. 99, No. 28, Page 7, Col. 1 ROPER, Daniel C., Died 11 Apr 1943, Spouse - Lou McKENZIE, Parents - John Wesley & Henrietta V. ROPER, Obituary Dated 22 Apr 1943; Vol. 107, No. 16, Page 7, Col. 2 ROPER, Daniel C., Died 11 Apr 1943, Spouse - Lou McKENZIE, Parents - John Wesley & Henrietta V. ROPER, Obituary Dated 01 Jul 1943; Vol. 107, No. 36, Page 14, Col. 1 ROPER, Beulah, Obituary Dated 26 Apr 1945; Vol. 109, No. 17, Page 12, Col. 1 ROPER, Dr. Charles P., Died 09 Sep 1957, Spouse - Cora INMANN, Parents - Dr. John C. & Edith Mosley ROPER, Obituary Dated 26 Sep 1957; Vol. 121, No. ?, Page 11, Col. 3 ROPER, Dr. John Caswell, Died 18 Oct 1958, Spouse - Edith Bull MOSELEL, Obituary Dated 30 Oct 1958; Vol. 122, No. ?, Page 10, Col. 2 ROPER, Dr. John C., Died 11 Oct 1958 at Union SC, Obituary Dated 06 Nov 1958; Vol. 122, No. 44, Page 14, Col. 3 ROPER, Martha Jane, Died 04 Aug 1959 at Bennettsville, SC, Obituary Dated 20 Aug 1959; Vol. 123, No. 33, Page 14, Col. 3 ROPER, William W., Died 14 Sep 1960 at Easley, SC, Obituary Dated 29 Sep 1960; Vol. 124, No. 38, Page 15, Col. 1 ROPER, Robert L., Died 09 Jun 1961 at Lake City, SC, Obituary Dated 29 Jun 1961; Vol. 125, No. 25, Page 11, Col. 3 ROPER, Edith Bull Moseley, Died 13 Jul 1963 at Carlisle, SC, Spouse - Dr. John Caswell ROPER, Obituary Dated 01 Aug 1963; Vol. 127, No. 30, Page 14, Col. 2 ROPER, Edith Bull Moseley, Died 13 Jul 1963 at Carlisle, SC, Obituary Dated 19 Sep 1963; Vol. 127, No. 37, Page 14, Col. 3 ROPER, Joe Earl, Died 18 Nov 1963 at Easley, SC, Obituary Dated 19 Dec 1963; Vol. 127, No. 50, Page 7, Col. 2 ROPER, Nanny S., Died 05 Mar 1996, Obituary Dated Apr 1996; Vol. 160, No. 4, Page 6, Col. 3 ROPER, Edward Young Sr., Died 20 May 2010 at Columbia, SC, Spouse - Mary Lee Flowers ROPER, Obituary Dated Jun 2010; Vol. 174, No. 6, Page 26, Col. 3 * * * * * THIS POST IS INTENDED AS A FINDING AID TO ASSIST IN THE DISCOVERY AND ACQUISITION OF THE UNDERLYING OBITUARY! WHILE I HAVE ENDEAVORED TO CORRECTLY TRANSCRIBE THE ABSTRACTED FACTS SHOWN IN THE SEARCH RESULTS, YOU SHOULD RELY ON THE WOFFORD SEARCH FACILITY AND THE UNDERLYING PRIMARY RECORD FOR INFORMATION ABOUT THESE ROPER ANCESTORS. IF YOU OBTAIN A COPY OF THE IDENTIFIED OBITUARY, I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR POSTING THE TEXT AS A REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Cannon, Whitehead, Davis, Walker, Bracken, Moss Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1923/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Within the 1790 United States Census for South Carolina there is enumerated a John ROPER residing in Pendleton District, SC. Despite the fact that this seems to have been the FIRST member of the MUR ROPER family to have settled in upper South Carolina and truly THE PIONEER ROPER to Pendleton, this John ROPER has been almost completely DISMISSED and IGNORED (possibly because any attention focused on John ROPER causes the various fraudulent ascriptions to collapse like the house of cards that it is). Here is what John ROPER's Census record shows: John ROPER: 1 - 3 - 2 -- 0 [Pendleton, SC 1790] See: This John ROPER appears to be within Captain James HAMILTON's Company [see Image 3 of 15]. Immediately adjacent Census records include: Leonard VANDRERGRIFT Elizabeth JONES Edmund FRANKLIN Richard YORK Matthew MORGAN John McCOLLUM John WOODAL John GABRIL Shadrack INGRAM Jacob CANE John ROPER: 1 - 3 - 2 -- 0 [Pendleton, SC 1790] Zachariah WALKER Vann WALKER Morgan HOOK Jordan REEVES James PARSONS John COSE Nimrod BARLETT Frederick STARNS Margaret STARNS Robert LENNARD James CALMBERS As a check on correct interpretation of the ROPER name ("p" versus "ss"), see the "ss" in the names of John ROSS (first column near top of the page), Thomas MOSS (second column), as well as William DOSSEY (third column), and compare to the "p" in James and William STEPHENSON (first column), as well as the "p" in Capt. William McCALEB. There is a James CANNON on this Census page: James CANNON: 1 - 1 - 4 -- 0 [Pendleton, SC 1790] * * * * * John ROPER is again present within Pendleton at the 1800 Census enumeration. The Census counts are at least consistent with the figures reported for 1790, suggesting that this is probably the SAME John ROPER, though this is hardly conclusive. John ROPER: 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1800] See: This John ROPER is shown to be age 26 to 44 (b abt 1756-74). The eldest female is slightly younger, at age 18 to 25 (b abt 1775-82). This age seems incompatible with the possibility that the eldest female is the mother of the children born before 1790 and may reflect that John ROPER's wife has died since the prior Census enumeration and that the eldest female is a daughter rather than a wife. This is also at least consistent with the presence of two females within the household of John ROPER in 1790. * * * The heads of household shown proximate to this John ROPER in 1800 are: William ASHER Lous ASHER John ROPER: 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1800] William DAVIS James ALLEN John DOVER Samuel LOOPER Edward WILLSON David BURK William MITCHELL Clement MITCHELL Joseph LOOPER Isaac RICE Abraham PENN On the previous Census page are (partial): Danl. THOMPSON William TURNER Charles GATES Priscilla FRANKUM John MOSS Jesse MOSS Nicholas EDWARDS John BLEDSOE Drury THOMPSON David EDWARDS Thomas EDWARDS Noah FOX William LAFFOON On the FOLLOWING PAGE is a: Joseph ROPER: 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1800] This Joseph ROPER is shown to be age 18 to 25 (b abt 1775-82). Also on the SAME PAGE with Joseph ROPER are: John BRACKEN, Jr.:. 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1800] John BRACKEN, Sen.: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1800] James BRACKEN:..... 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1800] * * * Although the 1790 Census does NOT explicitly include any direct indication of John ROPER's age, given that this John ROPER also has three males under age 16 and two females residing within his household, possibly including a daughter, IF several (or ALL) of these others are John ROPER's CHILDREN this would seem to suggest that John ROPER was probably married at least four years prior to the 1790 Census, or by about 1786. Assuming that John ROPER was at least age eighteen (18) at his marriage, this might support a weak inference that John ROPER was born before 1767. Combined with the information from the 1800 Census, we might reasonably expect that this John ROPER was born abt 1756-66. We would therefore expect it to be most likely that this John ROPER would be AGE 45 OR MORE in the 1810 Census enumeration. * * * In 1810, there is NO John ROPER enumerated within Pendleton, SC. There are these John ROPERs enumerated elsewhere within the United States: John ROPER: 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Edgefield, SC 1810] John ROPER: 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 1 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 1 [Caswell, NC 1810] John ROPER: 5 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 -- 0 - 0 [Mecklenburg, NC 1810] John ROPER: 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 3 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 [Petersburg, Dinwiddie, VA 1810] John ROPER: 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 -- 2 - 0 - 0 - 2 - 0 -- 1 - 6 [Henrico, VA 1810] John ROPER: 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 1 - 0 - 5 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 3 [New Kent, VA 1810] John ROPER: 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 3 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Princeton, Worcester, MA 1810] John ROPER: 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Wilbraham, Hampshire, MA 1810] John ROPER, of Dinwiddie, is enumerated adjacent to a Henry CANNON. However, there are no free whites in Henry CANNON's household. Instead, there are only seven (7) free blacks and five (5) slaves. * * Only three of these John ROPERs are age 45 or more: John ROPER, of Caswell, NC; John ROPER, of New Kent, VA; and John ROPER, of Princeton, Worcester, MA. John ROPER, of Princeton, Worcester, and of Wilbraham, Hampshire, MA, are so well away from Pendleton, South Carolina, that these seem exceptionally UNLIKELY to be the John ROPER found in Pendleton, SC, in 1800. The John ROPERs in Virginia seem unlikely as well, though some reverse migrations occasionally occur, especially when a son returns to occupy the father's land. John ROPER, of Henrico, VA, and John ROPER, of New Kent, VA, are each shown in 1800 Virginia Tax Lists as residing in those places. John ROPER, of Caswell, is believed to have been in Caswell, NC, in 1800. John ROPER, of Princeton, Worcester, MA, is shown in the 1800 Census in Princeton, Worcester. John ROPER: 0 - 0 - 3 - 0 - 1 -- 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 2 [Caswell, NC 1800] John ROPER: 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 1 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 1 [Caswell, NC 1810] John ROPER: 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 3 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 -- 0 - 0 [Princeton, Worcester, MA 1800] John ROPER: 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 3 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Princeton, Worcester, MA 1810] * John ROPER, of Caswell, is believed to be John Roper (b bef 1756, d aft 1820), of Caswell, VA, and Cumberland, VA. See Frank Batchelor's post: "John Roper, b. bef. 1756; d. aft. 1820, Cumberland, KY" (01 Apr 2014 4:05PM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1887/mb.ashx * John ROPER, of Mecklenburg, NC, is believed to be Revolutionary War Veteran John ROPER (b 24 Feb 1763-6, d 25 Jul 1852 - AL), son of Jesse and Obedience ROPER. See: "John ROPER (b 24 Feb 1763-6, d 25 Jul 1852 - AL), of Mecklenburg, NC" (12 May 2014 2:17AM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1903.4/mb.ashx * John ROPER, of Henrico, VA, is believed to be John ROPER (b abt 1770 - Charles City, VA, d aft 1850 - prob Henrico, VA), son of David ROPER (b 13 Nov 1744, d 16 Apr 1808 - Charles City, VA). See: "John ROPER (b abt 1770 - Charles City, VA, d aft 1850 - prob Henrico, VA)" (25 Jan 2006 12:53PM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/787.2/mb.ashx NONE of the Census counts of these John ROPERs closely corresponds with the 1790 and 1800 Census records for John ROPER, of Pendleton. * * * * * Neither is there a conspicuous record amongst other remaining Pendleton ROPER households that seems to closely correspond with John ROPER's 1800 Census record. These ROPERs are found in Pendleton in 1810: Abs. ROPER:.. 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1810] Ben. ROPER:.. 4 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 3 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1810] Chas. ROPER:. 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 1 [Pendleton, SC 1810] Joshua ROPER: 3 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1810] Benjamin ROPER, Charles ROPER and Joshua ROPER were each previously enumerated in Pendleton in the 1800 Census: Benjamin ROPER:. 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1800] Ben. ROPER:..... 4 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 3 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1810] Charles ROPER:.. 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 4 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 1 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1800] Chas. ROPER:.... 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 1 [Pendleton, SC 1810] Joshua ROPER: 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1800] Joshua ROPER: 3 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Pendleton, SC 1810] Absolom ROPER, shown to be age 26 to 44 (b abt 1766-84) is newly appearing in 1810 and does NOT appear again within the 1820 Census. This Absolom ROPER seems to have mostly been overlooked and/or ignored by most ROPER researchers. There is an older female in this household age 45 or more (b bef 1766), but the household composition is actually OPPOSITE of what we are looking for, given the indications that John ROPER's wife might have died before 1800 and that the eldest female in 1800 might therefore be a daughter rather than a wife. Thus, the disappearance of John ROPER and reappearance of an older female is inconsistent with the 1800 Census record. This Absolom ROPER seems more likely to be a son of Meredith ROPER than a son of John ROPER. * * * * * Thus, the conclusion would seem to be that EITHER BOTH John ROPER and his wife died between 1800 and 1810 OR that this couple MOVED TO AN AREA for which Census returns were NOT TAKEN in 1810 OR for which the Census returns DO NOT SURVIVE (e.g. Tennessee, Mississippi Territory, including Alabama). 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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Meredith Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1922/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The MOORE Family Bible contains an indication that Dolly ROPER, a daughter of Charles ROPER (b 19 Apr 1758) and Elizabeth BUTLER, married a Louis MEREDITH. No date is given for this marriage. "Dolly" is shown to be one of four daughters and two sons born to this couple: Nancy ROPER (b 06 Apr 1777) Eliza ROPER Martha ROPER Joseph ROPER Dolly ROPER Goodwin ROPER No dates of birth are given for any of the children other than Nancy ROPER (b 06 Apr 1777, 15 Jun 1850), who married her first cousin Benjamin MOORE (b 31 Aug 1771, d 07 Feb 1849) on 22 Dec 1796. The transcription contains the additional information that Elizabeth ROPER married Banister SHACKLEFORD; that Martha ROPER married Richard LEDBETTER and that Joseph ROPER married a Miss WHITEHEAD (no first name). No dates of these marriages are given. Goodwin ROPER is shown to have "died in youth". * * * * * Lewis MEREDITH is enumerated in the 1810 U.S. Census for Virginia residing in Dinwiddie County: Lewis MEREDITH: 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 4 [Dinwiddie, VA 1810] See: "United States Census, 1810," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XH2Q-HXG : accessed 08 Jun 2014), Lewis Meredith, Dinwiddie, Dinwiddie, Virginia; citing "1810 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 81, line 1710, NARA microfilm publication M252, roll 67, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0181427. Lewis MEREDITH is shown to be age 18 to 25 (b abt 1785-92) with a female, possibly Mary Roper MEREDITH, of a similar age. Since there are no children within this household, it appears likely that Lewis is recently married. The Dinwiddie Census returns for 1810 are in quasi alphabetical order, so no inferences can be drawn about proximity from adjacency of records. * * * In 1820, Lewis MEREDITH is still residing in Dinwiddie, Virginia, with his growing family: Lewis MEREDITH: 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 5 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 2 - 2 - 0 -- 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 [Dinwiddie, VA 1820] See: "United States Census, 1820," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHLY-S2X : accessed 08 Jun 2014), Lewis Meredith, Not Stated, Dinwiddie, Virginia; citing "1820 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 1024, NARA microfilm publication M33, roll 137, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0193696. In this enumeration, Lewis is shown to be age 26 to 44 (b abt 1776-94) and the eldest female within the household is shown to be a similar age. There seems to be two sons under age 10 and two daughters under age 10 residing in Lewis MEREDITH's household. The Dinwiddie Census returns for 1820 seems to be in quasi alphabetical order, so no inferences can be drawn about proximity from adjacency of records. * * * Lewis MEREDITH is again shown to be residing in Dinwiddie, Virginia, at the date of the 1830 Census: Lewis MEREDITH: 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Dinwiddie, VA 1830] See: "United States Census, 1830," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XH5H-6K1 : accessed 08 Jun 2014), Lewis Meredith, Dinwiddie, Dinwiddie, Virginia; citing "1830 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 410, NARA microfilm publication M19, roll 196, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0029675. Lewis MEREDITH is shown to be age 40 to 49 (b abt 1781-90) in the 1830 Census enumeration. The eldest female is shown to be age 30 to 39 (b abt 1791-1800). The Dinwiddie Census returns for 1830 seems to be in quasi alphabetical order, so no inferences can be drawn about proximity from adjacency of records. * * * Lewis MEREDITH and his family are again enumerated in Dinwiddie, Virginia, in 1840. There is also a William MEREDITH shown in the adjacent Census record: Lewis MEREDITH: 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Dinwiddie, VA 1840] Wm. MEREDITH:.. 0 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Dinwiddie, VA 1840] See: "United States Census, 1840," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHTK-2LP : accessed 08 Jun 2014), Lewis Meredith, Not Stated, Dinwiddie, Virginia; citing "1840 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 15, NARA microfilm publication M704, roll 557, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0029686. The 1840 Census enumeration for Dinwiddie is the first to have been transcribed in some proximity order. Both William MEREDITH and the eldest female are shown to be age 50 to 59 (b abt 1781-90) in 1840. * * * Lewis and Mary MEREDITH, age 64, and 59, respectively, are shown to be residing in Dinwiddie, Virginia, again in the 1850 Census (Lewis is shown as "Louis" in this Census). Both are shown to have been born in Virginia. There is a Martha A. MEREDITH, age 31, also residing in this household, as well as a William C. SYDNOR, age 7. See: "United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M88B-2TF : accessed 08 Jun 2014), Louis Meredith, Dinwiddie county, part of, Dinwiddie, Virginia, United States; citing family 369, NARA microfilm publication M432. See: * * * * Thus, we have the explicit indication that Lewis MEREDITH was born about 1786, which is generally consistent with the indications from the prior four enumerations: b abt 1785-92 (age 18 to 25) [1810] b abt 1776-94 (age 26 to 44) [1820] b abt 1781-90 (age 40 to 49) [1830] b abt 1781-90 (age 50 to 59) [1840] b abt 1786 (age 64) [1850] The first four age ranges give us an implicit year range of 1785-90 and the 1850 result falls within this range. Thus abt 1786 seems to be a very reliable estimate of Lewis MEREDITH's year of birth. For Mary, the age ranges were all similar to that of Lewis EXCEPT for the 1830 Census enumeration: b abt 1785-92 (age 18 to 25) [1810] b abt 1776-94 (age 26 to 44) [1820] b abt 1791-1800 (age 30 to 39) [1830] b abt 1781-90 (age 50 to 59) [1840] b abt 1791 (age 59) [1850] The 1830 and 1840 Census data is inconsistent. If 1830 data is treated as an anomalous result, then the age range EXCLUSIVE of the 1850 Census would be 1785-90. If the 1840 Census report is treated as anomalous, then the implicit year range would be 1791-2. This latter range is inclusive of the year implicit from the given age of 59 in 1850, but we cannot be completely confident as to the precision of this report. Thus, it appears most likely that Mary Roper MEREDITH's age was either slightly understated in 1830 or slightly overstated in 1840. * * * * * Secondary sources report that Lewis MEREDITH was born on 24 Jul 1785 and died on 06 Mar 1859. Mary Roper MEREDITH is shown by these same sources to have been born on 01 Nov 1790 and to have died on 17 Jan 1854. Though I am NOT aware of any primary record which would support these precise dates of birth it is rather exactly consistent with ALL of the extant Census data across five decades and therefore seems likely to be reliable. * * * Secondary sources report that Lewis MEREDITH and Mary ROPER married on 17 Nov 1808. Although I do not know of any primary support for this date, it is at least consistent with the Census data. Secondary sources also report the following children for this couple: Elizabeth Emaline MEREDITH m John Taylor SYDNOR, Jr. on 22 Dec 1835 Charles William MEREDITH (b 15 Mar 1815 - Dinwiddie, VA) Martha A. MEREDITH Mary Virginia MEREDITH (b 13 Sep 1821, d 25 Mar 1896) m Joseph A. SYDNOR The latter dates are supported by Mary's grave marker. The 1820 and 1830 Census data seem to suggest that there was another son (b abt 1811-20) who died young (d bef 1830 Census). * * * * * Although there are a number of ROPER - LEWIS family intermarriages, the marriage of Mary ROPER to Lewis MEREDITH, with Lewis and Mary residing at the MEREDITH plantation adjacent to the ROPER plantation in Dinwiddie, may explain the frequent appearance of "Lewis" as a given name in the ROPER family. Although dishonest researchers have frequently asserted that Meredith ROPER's name proves a connection to the MEREDITH family in New Kent, it is far more likely to show a connection to the IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT MEREDITH family occupying the MEREDITH Plantation in Dinwiddie. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>