This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cmcdonald45 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/807.7.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Rhoda Burnett's will was recorded in Chattooga County, Georgia on March 4th, 1845. She died shortly after that and was buried there. She was visiting her sons Silas and Jack [John] when she apparently became ill. Her will indicates that a daughter, Rhoda, married Joseph Nolly. According to a granddaughter's letter written around 1917, the daughter was named Rhoda Ann Grief Burnett. She was named Grief because she was born about 3 months after her father died. This would put his death around 1813 or 1814, before his wife moved to Tennessee. The daughter, Rhoda Nolly and her family moved to Texas, according to the granddaughter. Rhoda's marriage to Joseph Nolly is recorded in the Tennessee State Marriages book, No.2533, pg. 254. I would be happy to share a transcript of the letters written by the granddaughter, Elizabeth Sells with anyone who is interested. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Lewis, Hart, Wall Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/329.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There is NO EVIDENCE that Charles ROPER was born in Richmond, Virginia, OR that Charles ROPER was born about 1771. SOMEONE SIMPLY MADE THIS UP. There is NO EVIDENCE that Charles ROPER's wife Sally was born about 1771. SOMEONE JUST MADE THIS UP. I have NOT seen any evidence that Charles ROPER's wife's maiden name was Sarah "Sally" WALL, but this seems plausible. WALL probate records need to be consulted to ascertain whether any supporting evidence exists. Absent identification of such information, this should be treated as a "guess" rather than an ascription. Richard ROPER was NOT born about 1770. Why would you believe that John ROPER was born when Richard ROPER was ONE YEAR OLD? This is simply ABSURD! There is NO EVIDENCE that Richard ROPER was born in Fauquier County, Virginia. SOMEONE JUST MADE THIS UP. The INVENTED and FRAUDLENT INFORMATION which continues to be republished and circulated about this ROPER family is the most persistent and abhorent genealogical fraud I have ever seen! Rather than advancing family history, the misinformation has confused and befuddled members of this ROPER family for generations and has been an obstacle to any serious genealogical inquiry or progress in constructing a valid history of this family! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Hart, Lewis Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/329.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: For more information on the parents of John ROPER, see my post: "Charles ROPER (b abt 1776-82, d bef 05 Dec 1814 - Northampton, NC)" (6 Jul 2014 12:16AM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1931.1/mb.ashx There is NO EVIDENCE linking Richard ROPER and Ann LEWIS to Richmond, North Carolina. ALL of the extant evidence suggests that Richard resided first in Northampton County, NC, then briefly in the portion of Brunswick County that later became Greensville County. Both the ROPER properties in Northampton and some ROPER properties in Greensville were very close to the Virginia - North Carolina border and James ROPER's property in Northampton County, NC, seems to have been immediately adjacent to the state line. James ROPER's property was also adjacent to Angelica LEWIS' land in Northampton. MOST of the posted information about Richard ROPER is completely FRAUDULENT. In assessing ANY POSTED INFORMATION about this family, you need to ALWAYS ask about the PRIMARY RECORDS which support the assertions. Information in Dave ROPER's family history files and published documents presented to state libraries is almost completely UNRELIABLE. Things you find published is secondary accounts, even in printed books, absent supporting EVIDENCE is NOT a primary record which would support the assertions. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Lewis, Wall, Clark, Carstarphen, Wright, Hart, Burnett Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1931.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Ritty ROPER is shown variously as "Writter" ROPER (Angelica LEWIS' Will in 1783), "Retty" ROPER (Ann Lewis ROPER's Will), and Ritty ROPER. It seems likely that Ritter or Ritty was a nickname for Henrietta and Ritty may have been named for Henrietta Clark ROPER, the wife of Samuel ROPER (d bef 10 Feb 1812 - Chesterfield, VA), suggesting a possible family connection between Joseph ROPER and Richard ROPER. Samuel ROPER identifies his wife as "Ritter" ROPER within his Will. It is likely that Samuel ROPER and Henrietta CLARK married about 1778, so this marriage would have taken place only about two years before the birth of Richard and Ann Lewis ROPER's daughter Ritty ROPER. Both Henrietta and "Ritter"/"Ritty" are somewhat unusual names. The appearance of the given name in this family therefore seems to me to be unlikely to be a mere coincidence, as there are NO OTHER contemporary Henriettas or Ritters in the ROPER family. Richard ROPER might be a brother of Samuel ROPER, of Chesterfield, but this is merely a speculative ascription made solely for the purposes of further inquiry and investigation. (It is essenial to understand that there is NO EVIDENCE that Richard ROPER was born in 1700, as many have fraudulently asserted NOR that he was born in 1735, which is the other INVENTED date of birth for which there is also neither evidence nor even a reasonable basis to speculate.) * * * * * It seems most likely that Ritty ROPER was one of the two additional females shown in her mother's household in 1790: Ann ROPER: 0 - 2 - 3 -- 0 - 0 [Northampton, NC 1790] * * * It is less clear whether Ritty was residing with Ann ROPER in 1800 or 1810, as it appears that one of Ann Lewis ROPER's daughters was residing in her household and the other seems to have possibly resided elsewhere at the date of these Census enumerations: Anne ROPER: 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 1 [Northampton, NC 1800] Anne ROPER: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 -- 0 - 1 -- 2 - 0 - 1000 [Northampton, NC 1810] Given Ann Lewis ROPER's status as a widow with four young children, it may have been necessary to place one of the children in the home of an aunt, the child's paternal grandmother, another relative or neighbor. Since Anne ROPER's son John ROPER is known to have remained in Northampton and died there, it seems most likely that John ROPER is the male shown in Anne ROPER's household in 1800. * * * * * THE 1820 CENSUS As noted in the first post within this thread, Ann Lewis ROPER seems to have died before June 1818. Ritty then appears in the 1820 Census as a head of household. Ritty ROPER: 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 2 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Northampton 1820] See: "United States Census, 1820," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHGS-JFV : accessed 06 Jul 2014), Ritty (Unknown) Roper, Not Stated, Northampton, North Carolina; citing "1820 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 256, NARA microfilm publication M33, roll 85, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0162801. Ritty ROPER seems to be age 26 to 44 in 1820 (b abt 1776-94) with another female of similar age residing in her household. That Ann Lewis ROPER named both of her daughters -- Retty ROPER and Sarah ROPER -- in her Will in 1816 suggests the possiblity that Sarah ROPER is still unmarried and residing with Ritty ROPER in 1820. The boy shown in Ritty's household to be under age ten may be Ritty ROPER's nephew John ROPER, son of Charles and Sally ROPER, or possibly nephew Thomas ROPER. * * * * * THE 1830 CENSUS I have been unable to find Ritty ROPER in the 1830 Census. I actually visually inspected EVERY 1830 Census page for Northampton, NC, looking for Ritty. It seems most likely that Ritty is residing in another household that year. One possibility is that she had rented her land out to someone to farm and then continued to live on the property and that the farmer working the land was identified as the head of household without regard to land ownership. Another possibility is that Ritty lived elsewhere in 1830, in another household. However, Ritty ROPER is shown to have filed guardianship accounts in Northampton, NC, in both 1829 and 1830. Moreover, her two wards -- nephew John ROPER and niece Martha ROPER -- each married in Northampton, NC, in 1836 and 1831, respectively, suggesting a continued presence in the county. Perhaps a closer inspection of other extant Northampton records, including tax lists and the probate records for other neighbors may give other evidence of Ritty's continued presence in the county between 1820 and 1840. Absent the discovery of a record showing her appearance in another place, I believe that we still ought to assume that Ritty continued to live in Northampton throughout her life. After first visually inspecting every Northampton Census record looking for Ritty possibly misindexed, I again visually inspected EVERY Northampton Census record for 1830 looking for records in which there were females in BOTH the 40 to 49 AND 50 to 59 age range. While I found several records which had both a 30 to 39 AND 40 to 49 year old female, I found the desired pattern ONLY in five records, as further shown below: Carter JONES:... 0 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 4 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 3 - 5 - 6 - 0 - 0 -- 3 - 4 - 2 - 4 - 0 - 0 [Image 9 of 88] Eliza JOHNSON:.. 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 [Image 11 of 88] Rebecca EDWARDS: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- No Slaves [Image 67 of 88] John CARSTARPHEN: 0 - 2 - 5 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 2 - 1 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 [Image 37 of 88] James WRIGHT:... 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 3 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 2 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 [Image 83 of 88] I also found this record which closely matched the sought after pattern and could plausibly include Ritty and Sarah ROPER is Ritty's age was unreported: Olisa SYKES: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Image 75 of 88] * * The records for Elizabeth JOHNSON and Rebecca EDWARDS seem to be poor candidates, as the head of each household is likely to be one of the elder females. Moreover, in 1840, there are these Census record for an Elizabeth JOHNSON and Rebecca EDWARDS during a year that Ritty ROPER reappears in the Northampton enumeration: Eliza JOHNSON:.. 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- No Slaves [Image 49 of 88] Rebecca EDWARDS: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- No Slaves [Image 39 of 88] This seems to me to rule out the Eliza JOHNSON and Rebecca EDWARDS records. The record for Carter JONES seems also to be an unlikely candidate, as there are four males age 40 to 49 and therefore the females age 40 to 40 and 50 to 59 seem most likely to be wives of one or more men in this household. Carter JONES is NOT shown in Northampton in 1840. The record for James WRIGHT might be plausible, particularly if Sarah / Sally ROPER married late in life. One bare possibility is that Sarah married a James WRIGHT and that Ritty and Sarah are both shown in James WRIGHT's household in 1830. There seem to be no WRIGHT households in Northampton in 1840. Thus, one bare possibility is that Sarah / Sally ROPER might have married and been included in James WRIGHT's household, but after James WRIGHT's death might have reappeared in a household headed by Ritty. I cannot emphasize enough that I mention this only as a bare possiblity rather than an assertion that this could form the basis for a conclusive ascription. * * John CARSTARPHEN The single best readily identifiable candidate household which might contain Ritty ROPER in 1840 is the household of John CARSTARPHEN. Immediately adjacent to this John CARSTARPHEN is a James HART and a Robert BURNETT. Robert BURNETT seems to have been the widower who was the second husband of Charles ROPER's widow Sally ROPER. See my post: "Robert BURNETT (b abt 1780-1, d aft 1840), of Northampton, NC, Second Husband of Sally --- ROPER" (7 Jul 2014 4:32PM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1931.1.1/mb.ashx Robert BURNETT, shown to be age 50 to 59 in both 1830 and 1840, is enumerated at Image 37 in 1830 and 27 in 1840. One of Ann Lewis ROPER's sisters Mary LEWIS married a Mr. HART. Even more significant, Ritty ROPER's nephew John ROPER is enumerated adjacent to a James HART, age 55 (b abt 1795 in NC), in the 1850 Census. Thus, John CARSTARPHEN is adjacent James HART in 1830 and John ROPER is adjacent to James HART in 1850. This James HART seems to be the father of the Rebecca HART whom John ROPER married on 07 Jan 1836. There was a John CARSTARPHEN enumerated in Northampton in 1820: John CARSTARPHEN: 3 - 1 - 0 - 3 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 6 - 0 - 0 -- 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 [Northampton 1820] There are three males age 18 to 25 in this household. Since the eldest male in the 1830 Census John CARSTARPHEN seems to be age 15 to 19, the John CARSTARPHEN heading the household in 1820 seems to be either dead or departed. There is one female age 45 or more in this household in 1820. But there are ZERO females in the household in 1820 in the 26 to 44 age range. This household has some incidents of that of an older widow residing with her family, including a number of sons. While the female age 45 or more in 1820 could be the female shown to be age 50 to 59 in 1830, this does not explain the appearance of an additional female in the age 40 to 49 age range. One bare possibility is that the female shown in the 1820 Census has died or moved away and that Ritty and Sarah ROPER have rented their land out to the younger John CARSTARPHEN. On the other hand, the appearance of five males age 10 to 14 and two males age 15 to 19 in the 1830 record cannot be readily reconciled with the showing of only three males under age 10 in 1820. The counts of the younger male children seem more consistent with the merger and consolidation of another household with that of the John CARSTARPHEN as shown in the 1820 record. Again, one bare possibility is that Sarah ROPER could have married a widower named John CARSTARPHEN who already had a large family, but who died before 1830 leaving behind a son of this same name. John CARSTARPHEN seems to have departed from Northampton by 1840. He may be the J. G. CARSTARPHEN who turns up in Jasper, Mississippi that year. In 1820, the Northampton Census returns were quasi alphabetical, so no proximty information can be inferred from this enumeration. * I want to emphasize that inclusion of Ritty and Sarah ROPER within the household of John CARSTARPHEN should be treated as only a bare possiblity which warrants further investigation, particularly as to the possibility that the CARSTARPHENs are related in some way OR that Sarah ROPER might have married into this family. But the slim evidence outlined above is hardly conclusive. * * * * In combination, I believe that the adjacent appearance of James HART and Robert BURNETT next to John CARSTARPHEN requires further investigation as to the possible relation of CARSTARPHEN and the possibility that Ritty was living within his household. HART, BURNETT and CARSTARPHEN probate records need to be checked. The DEED RECORDS for Northampton, NC, need to be checked. * * * * * THE 1840 CENSUS Ritty reappears in Northampton in the 1840 Census enumeration. Ritty ROPER: 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- No Slaves [Northampton 1840] [Image 17-8 of 88 at the Ancestry.com presentation of the 1840 Census data for this place.] See: "United States Census, 1840," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHYJ-M8S : accessed 06 Jul 2014), Ritley Roper, Not Stated, Northampton, North Carolina; citing "1840 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 93, NARA microfilm publication M704, roll 366, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0018096. There are two older females residing within Ritty's household. One is shown to be age 60 to 69 (b abt 1771-80) and the other is shown to be age 50 to 59 (b abt 1781-90). There is also a boy age 10 to 14 (b abt 1826-30) residing in this household. This child is too young to be the nephew and ward John ROPER, who had by then established his own household: John ROPER: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- No Slaves [Northampton 1840] [Image 43-4 of 88 at the Ancestry.com presentation of the 1840 Census data for this place.] The precise identity of the young male child in Ritty ROPER's household is UNCLEAR. John ROPER's 1840 Census record is consistent with his marriage to Rebecca HART on 07 Jan 1836. John and Rebecca have two young daughters under age 5. The 1850 Census record shows these to be Lucy and Celestia. See my these previous posts for more information about John and Rebecca Hart ROPER's family: "Re: 1850 Census Record of Thomas J. ROPER (b Apr 1848 - NC)" (30 Aug 2003 1:19PM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/634.1/mb.ashx "1860 Census Record of John and Rebecca ROPER, of Northampton, NC" (7 Jul 2014 3:33PM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/634.4/mb.ashx "Rebecca Hart ROPER's 1870 Census Record in Northampton, NC" (30 Aug 2003 4:17PM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/634.3/mb.ashx * * * * * THE 1850 CENSUS In 1850, Ritty ROPER, age 70, born NC, is shown to be residing within the household of John ROPER, age 41, and Rebecca ROPER, age 33, and their family in Northampton County, NC. [Image 134 of 159 at the Ancestry.com presentation of the 1850 Census data for this place.] See: "United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M4B6-ZV9 : accessed 06 Jul 2014), Rilly Roper in household of John Roper, Northampton county, part of, Northampton, North Carolina, United States; citing family 1122, NARA microfilm publication M432. This John ROPER is almost surely Ritty ROPER's nephew, the son of Charles and Sarah "Sally" ROPER. I previously transcribed and posted this Census record within another thread a little more than a decade ago: "Re: 1850 Census Record of Thomas J. ROPER (b Apr 1848 - NC)" (30 Aug 2003 1:19PM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/634.1/mb.ashx * * * * * RITTY ROPER's YEAR OF BIRTH Ritty ROPER's age (70) and implicit year of birth (1780) as given in the 1850 Census is probably entitled to be treated as the very best indication of when Ritty was born, though it is possible that she was a year or two older. It is unlikely that she is much younger given Ritty's father's death before 19 Dec 1782. Reviewing the sources of information about Ritty ROPER's age, we must first necessarily give the GREATEST weight to mention of Ritty in her grandmother's Will dated 20 Jan 1783. We can be absolutely confident that Ritty was born BEFORE this date. We can also be reasonably confident that Ritty was born within about nine months of her father's death. Richard ROPER is known to have died bef the 19 Dec 1782 date of his Inventory. (No one seems to have bothered to look for the first probate mention in the Brunswick or Greensville Court records.) Implictly, the FAILURE to mention Sarah "Sally" ROPER in Angelica LEWIS' Will may also suggest the possiblity that Ann LEWIS might have been pregnant when Richard ROPER died and at the 20 Jan 1783 date her mother executed her Will. This could account for the omission of the name of this child and the more ambiguous indication that the residue of her estate be sold for the benefit of the younger children after Ann ROPER's death. Ann Lewis ROPER's 1800 Census record shows the presence of one female child age 18 to 25 (b abt 1775-82). If this is Ritty, the record somewhat narrows Ritty's age range and implicit year of birth to b abt 1775-82. But this female could also have been the other daughter Sally ROPER, so we cannot know with certainty to which daughter the record pertains. In 1810, again Ann Lewis ROPER has just one female residing within her household. This female is shown to be age 26 to 44 (b abt 1776-84), which is reasonably consistent with the possibility that either Ritty or Sarah ROPER might have been living with her. It should probably be noted that while Ann ROPER named BOTH daughters as a co-executrix ONLY Ritty ROPER applied and qualified for letters testamentary. This MAY be some evdidence that Ritty ROPER lived with Ann ROPER, while Sarah ROPER may have then lived elsewhere, possibly even out of county. We are then presented with two additional observations, from the 1820 and 1840 Census. In 1820, BOTH females in Ritty's household are shown to be age 26 to 44 in 1820 (b abt 1776-94). This is a wide enough range to cover BOTH Ritty and Sarah and the data is at least consistent with the possibility that Sarah was the other female residing in Ritty's household in 1820. However, it should be noted that the data is also consistent with the possibility that Charles ROPER's widow Sally might be residing with her sister-in-law. The 1840 record gives a little better clarity. In 1840, the elder of the two females in Ritty's household is shown to be age 60 to 69 (b abt 1771-80). While it is certainly possible that another older female is then residing with Ritty, the simplest and most likely explanation is that Ritty is the older female and that the age range shown pertains to her. To summarize, we thus have thus have these observations giving us a basis to impute Ritty's year of birth: b bef 20 Jan 1783 (Angelica LEWIS' Will) b bef 1790 (1790 Census) b abt 1775-82 [1800 Census, IF Ritty is living in Ann ROPER's household] b abt 1776-94 [1810 Census, IF Ritty is living in Ann ROPER's household] b abt 1776-94 [1820 Census] b abt 1771-80 [1840 Census] b abt 1780 [1850 Census] The implicit year of birth suggested by the 1850 Census data (b abt 1780) is actually consistent with EVERY OTHER observation, which reflects remarkably consistent data supporting treatment of this Census as the single best estimate. But this may still imply a bit of false precision. If one were to EXCLUDE the 1850 result, we would still conclude that Ritty was born about 1776-80. While we would should probably show Ritty as b abt 1780, we should recognize the possibility that Ritty might have been born a year or two earlier. One possiblity is that she was born soon after Samuiel ROPER's marriage to Henrietta CLARK and Richard and Ann LEWIS may have had a special affection for Samuel's wife Henrietta. Angelica LEWIS' mention of Ritty ROPER BEFORE the mention of either Thomas or Charles may also reflect the birth order of the children. Ritty may have been the eldest child, though by all indications the four children of Richard and Ann Lewis ROPER seem likely to have been tightly clustered in age and years of birth. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Lewis, Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1903.6/mb.ashx Message Board Post: One possible candidate to be the Obedience married to Jesse ROPER is Obedience LEWIS (b 15 Nov 1741), daughter of Joseph and Mary LEWIS. This Obedience LEWIS was Christened in Bristol Parish, Prince George, Virginia, on 17 Jan 1741/2. See: "Virginia, Births and Christenings, 1853-1917," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VR5B-CQW : accessed 08 Jul 2014), Obedience Lewis, 15 Nov 1741; citing , reference ; FHL microfilm 1036590 IT 2. This is the parish where Jesse ROPER's eldest siblings -- David and Laura ROPER -- were Christened on 15 August 1742. This would make Obedience older than Jesse, which, though unusual, was not unheard of. I should necessarily mention that this was NOT the only Obdience Christened in Bristol Parish. There are several others within the extant records (most born before Obedience LEWIS) and there are no doubt some others during a later period when the records are lost. But there were quite a few ROPER - LEWIS intermarriages, suggesting a close affinity between the ROPER and LEWIS families from a very early period. If Obedience was a LEWIS, this might also somewhat harmonize some of the other records showing the migrations of Jesse and Obedience ROPER. The Dinwiddie ROPER family showed a decided propensity to marry their cousins! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Peay, Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1768.12/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Peay's Ferry is shown as a feature on the map of Fairfield District, SC, found within the Library of Congress Map Collection and shown as: "Fairfield District, South Carolina / surveyed by John Allen Tharp, 1820 ; engd. by H.S. Tanner & Assistants." This Ferry is shown to be just above the mouth of Taylor's Creek as it flows into the Wateree River and just below the Kershaw - Lancaster County line. Big Wateree Creek flows into the River from the West a little further upstream. The Waateree River forms the Eastern boundary of Fairfield County and the Ferry is in the Northeastern portion of the County. Col. Peay's is shown to be near the road junction to the West of the ferry. Belton's Store and Post Office is shown to be at this road junction. A. Peay's, presumably the home of Austin Peay, is shown to be to the West of Col. Peay, beyond the Meeting House. The road leading to the Ford from the West is expressly labelled on the map as "Peay's Ferry Road". Another ferry crossing the Wateree River identified as Mickle's Ferry is shown to cross somewhat to the South between Fox's Creek and Colonel's Creek, near the Fairfield County line. The Library of Congress Map Collection is generally available from this link: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/gmdhtml/gmdhome.html This area can be found on Google Maps at: https://www.google.com/maps/@34.4575639,-80.873935,7413m/data=!3m1!1e3 Note that the Wateree River has been dammed up to form a lake and the roads no longer reflect the ancient ferry crossing. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Burnett, Burnet, Roper, Lewis, Hart Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1931.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: While I have NOT seen a specific primary record which expressly reflects the identity of the second husband of Sally ROPER, widow of Charles ROPER, there are several indications that the husband was probably Robert BURNETT. Individually, these indications are only suggestive of such an ascription, but taken together, the evidence seems to be reasonably conclusive. First, Robert BURNETT is the ONLY BURNETT shown in Northampton County in the 1810, 1820 and 1830 Census enumerations. Thus, to make a different ascription requires us to wander beyond the boundaries of Northampton County. This is probably the single best argument for the ascription of Robert as Sally ROPER's second husband. Second, Robert BURNETT is expressly shown as a purchaser at the estate sale of Sally -- Roper BURNETT. See: "North Carolina, County Records, 1833-1970," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-25459-12605-47?cc=1916185&wc=MC8D-WP6:202910901,204054101 : accessed 07 Jul 2014), Northampton > Estates 1786-1930 vol 187 Rook, W.D.-Rutland, Narsworthy > image 195 of 640; citing Department of Archives and History, Raleigh. Most significantly, Robert purchased the hogs shown to be owned by Sally Roper BURNETT and is shown to have RENTED HER LAND! Third, as further shown below, Robert BURNETT is of an age which is consistent with a remarriage to Sally ROPER about 1815. Fourth, as further shown below, the count and ages of children shown in Robert BURNETT's household are consistent with the ages of Charles and Sally ROPER's three children: John, Martha and Thomas ROPER. Fifth, John ROPER's son Thomas J. ROPER named a son "Robert", a given name not previously present in this branch of the ROPER family, perhaps showing some onging connection and affinty for his father's half brother Robert BURNETT or his grandmother's second husband. See the related post on Charles ROPER's grandson Thomas J. ROPER, son of John ROPER. * * * THE 1810 CENSUS RECORD Robert BURNETT is shown to be already residing in Northampton, NC, in 1810: Robert BURNETT: 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 20 [Northampton, NC 1810] See: "United States Census, 1810," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHL9-XWZ : accessed 07 Jul 2014), Robert Burnett, Not Stated, Northampton, North Carolina; citing "1810 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 714, line 910, NARA microfilm publication M252, roll 42, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0337915. Robert BURNETT's 1810 Census record shows a male age 26 to 44 (b abt 1766-84) with a female of a similar age and two females under the age of 10. This seems to suggest that Robert was married previous to his marriage to Sally ROPER and may have had two daughters from that earlier marriage. The record is generally consistent with a younger married couple, probably only married for several years in 1810. * * * THE 1820 CENSUS RECORD Robert BURNET:. 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Northampton 1820] See: "United States Census, 1820," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHGS-NF5 : accessed 07 Jul 2014), Robert Burnet, Not Stated, Northampton, North Carolina; citing "1820 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 214, NARA microfilm publication M33, roll 85, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0162801. Robert BURNETT's 1820 Census record shows a male age 26 to 44 (b abt 1776-94) with a female of similar age, presumably Sally --- Roper BURNESS, and two males and two females each under age 10. Charles and Sally ROPER's children would have been John, Martha and Thomas ROPER. John ROPER would have been age 10 or 11. Robert BURNETT's 1820 Census record seems to be consistent with the possibility that one or both of Sally's sons and Martha might have all been living within his household. However, as further discussed in a forthcoming post on Ritty ROPER, one of Sally Roper BURNETT's sons may have already been residing in the household of his two aunts -- Ritty and Sarah ROPER -- by 1820. Although John ROPER seems to have been about age 11 by 1820, he may be either one of the two male children under age ten OR he may be the male under age ten shown to be residing in his Aunt's household that year. I am most inclined to believe the latter, as the older women probably cold have made good use of the boy and he might have found this arrangement preferable to living with his stepfather. One of the two females under age 10 may have been Martha ROPER. The other may have been a child born to Robert and Sally BURNETT. * * * THE 1830 CENSUS RECORD Robert BURNETT: 0 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- No Slaves [Northampton 1830] See: "United States Census, 1830," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHP7-K78 : accessed 07 Jul 2014), Robert Burnett, Not Stated, Northampton, North Carolina; citing "1830 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 114, NARA microfilm publication M19, roll 123, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0018089. In the 1840 Census, Robert BURNETT is shown to be age 50 to 59 (b abt 1771-80). The two females in Robert BURNETT's household are much younger, one age 20 to 29 (b abt 1811-20), and the other age 15 to 19 (b abt 1821-5). Thomas ROPER seems to have been already dead by the date Ritty ROPER took over as guardian of Charles and Sally ROPER's minor children. John ROPER probably turned age 21 in 1829 or in 1830, but possibly after the Census enumeration. Martha was probably slight younger, born in or after 1810. No child in Robert BURNETT's household in 1830 seems consistent with John ROPER. Sally --- Roper BURNETT is shown to have died before 29 Mar 1826. Note that Robert BURNETT is shown to have two male children are 5 to 9 (b abt 1821-5) and one male child age 10 to 14 (b abt 1816-20) in the 1830 Census. This is consistent with the possibility that Charles ROPER's widow Sally remarried about 1815 and had three sons. Note that there are no children in this household born after 1825. This seems to further bolster an ascription that Robert BURNETT was probably Sally ROPER's second husband. The female child shown to be 20 to 29 (b abt 1811-20) seems likely to be Martha ROPER, who might very well have remained in her stepfather's household to help care for her younger half brothers and half sister. The female age 15 to 19 (b abt 1821-5) probably reflects a younger half sister of Martha. Recall that there were two females shown to be under age 10 in the 1820 Census enumeration. Martha may have been born in 1810 and hadn't yet turned 10 at the date of the 1820 Census. Or, her stepfather might have simply erred in giving her age. * * * ROBERT BURNETT's THIRD MARRIAGE Robert BURNETT is shown to have married an Eliazabeth BLALOCK in 1833. See: "North Carolina, County Marriages, 1762-1979 ," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XFS6-SL3 : accessed 07 Jul 2014), Robert Burnett and Elizabeth Blalock, 1833; citing Northampton, North Carolina, United States; FHL microfilm 000275918. * * * THE 1840 CENSUS RECORD Robert BURNETT was still residing in Northampton at the date of the 1840 Census: Robert BURNETT: 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- No Slaves [Northampton 1840] See: "United States Census, 1840," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHYN-BCG : accessed 07 Jul 2014), Robert Burnett, Not Stated, Northampton, North Carolina; citing "1840 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 98, NARA microfilm publication M704, roll 366, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0018096. He is again shown to be age 50 to 59 (b abt 1781-90), though this may be untrustworthy. His wife, presumably Elizabeth, is shown to be age 40 to 49. The presence of young children in this Census record seems to suggest that Robert BURNETT's family continued to grow after his third marriage. * * * * * ROBERT BURNETT's IMPLICIT YEAR OF BIRTH Robert BURNETT's absence from the 1800 Northampton Census suggests that he may have arrived there after 1800. Recall that the 1800 Virginia Census did NOT survive. But the 1803 Tax List for Lunenburg County, Virginia, shows a Robert BURNETT residing there that year. There was also a Robert BURNETT found in the 1792 personal property Tax List for Pendleton County. I am inclined to suspect that the former record (in Lunenburg) may reflect the Robert BURNETT who migrated to Northampton, however to the extent that Robert BURNETT is younger rather than older in 1810, he could have emerged from almost any Virginia or North Carolina BURNETT family. Those interested in identification of Robert BURNETT's antecedents are encouraged to study the ANNUAL Virginia Tax Lists for EACH YEAR from 1782 through 1810 to ascertain Robert BURNETT's place and family of origin. We are already presented with four reasonably valid data points from which to infer Robert BURNETT's year of birth: b abt 1766-84 (age 26 to 44) [1810] b abt 1776-94 (age 26 to 44) [1820] b abt 1771-80 (age 50 to 59) [1830] b abt 1781-90 (age 50 to 59) [1840] >From the first two observations, we might reasonably narrow Robert's year of birth to the range 1776 to 1784. The 1830 Census suggests that this range might be further narrowed to 1776 to 1780, while the 1840 data suggests that we might instead narrow the range to 1781-4. While the 1830 and 1840 data seem to be contradictory, this might yet be harmonized if one allows for the possibility of some slight imprecision in reporting. I would suggest that this data reasonably supports an inference that Robert BURNETT was born about 1780-1, while recognizing the possibility that he might have been born a year or two earlier or later. IF the 1803 Tax List record pertains to this same Robert BURNETT, it somewhat further fixes Robert's year of birth, since he is unlikely to have appeared in the Tax List there in 1803 unless he was already age 21 (b bef 1782. * * * * * I would appreciate hearing from anyone with other specific factual information about Robert BURNETT and his family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Lewis, Hart Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/634.5/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I recently added a post discussing Thomas J. ROPER's grandfather Charles ROPER (b abt 1776-82, d bef 05 Dec 1814 - Northampton, NC) and Sarah "Sally" --- ROPER: "Charles ROPER (b abt 1776-82, d bef 05 Dec 1814 - Northampton, NC)" (6 Jul 2014 12:16AM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1931.1/mb.ashx This post is part of a larger thread discussing Thomas ROPER's great-grandmother Ann Lewis ROPER and her family: "Ann Lewis ROPER (b bef 1766, d bef Jun 1818 - Northampton, NC), Widow of Richard ROPER" (5 Jul 2014 6:48PM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1931/mb.ashx Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Rosser, Hart Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/634.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The 1860 Census record for John ROPER, son of Charles and Sally ROPER, is misindexed at the Ancestry and FamilySearch.org sites as "ROSSER". See Ancestry image 5 of 18 for Northampton, NC. See: "United States Census, 1860," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MD69-S87 : accessed 07 Jul 2014), John Rosser, District No 4, Northampton, North Carolina, United States; citing "1860 U.S. Federal Census - Population," Fold3.com; p. 37, household ID 305, NARA microfilm publication M653; FHL microfilm 803908. I have posted a correction to the Index entry at Ancestry, though others are encouraged to do the same, as I do not believe that Ancestry usually CORRECTs the Index entry based upon a single indication of error. Since a transcription is now available at the FamilySearch site at no cost, I am not going to retranscribe here. This record shows John ROPER to be age 52 (b abt 1808). The 1850 record gives John ROPER's age as 41 (b abt 1809). The record shows the appearance of a younger child Delia, age 7, who was not born at the date ofthe 1870 Census enumeration. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Peay, Bracken, Whitehead, Butler, Goodwyn Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1923.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Frank: During the interval when I erroneously believed that Joseph ROPER was in Jackson rather than Lincoln County, I was VERY skeptical about assertions that Martha was Joseph ROPER's widow. With the recognition and realization that Joseph ROPER was, in fact, in Lincoln County, an ascription that Martha ROPER was Joseph ROPER's widow make far more sense and seems to best fit the available data. There were two other considerations that also had led me to believe that Martha was NOT Joseph ROPER's widow, each of which is actually somewhat persuasive, but which I now believe is NOT correct. I have found that William ROPER, son of James ROPER, of Anson, NC, and brother of Green ROPER had married a Martha PEAY. Martha Peay ROPER had disappeared from the South Carolina records after 1820 precisely when Martha ROPER first appeared in Lincoln County, TN. This Martha ROPER later moved to Arkansas where she later appears in the tax and probate records. I have discussed this Martha ROPER in several posts. I had previously suspected that this Martha ROPER, married to a William ROPER, was the notorious "Polly" ROPER from whom William ROPER sought a divorce. "Polly" is often a nickname for Mary and sometimes a nickname for "Martha". However, I now no longer believe that this couple was the William ROPER -- Polly ROPER involved in the early and messy Tennessee divorce. I will separately post some updated theories about this at a later date. A second reason that I previously believed that Martha Peay ROPER was probably the Martha ROPER in Lincoln, TN, was because Martha Peay ROPER's brother had a franchise from the state of South Carolina to operate several ferries over SC rivers. And the ROPER family in Lincoln and/or Giles seems to have operated a ferry over the Elk River in Tennessee. Thus, I surmised that Martha's sons might have followed their uncle's commercial enterprise and gotten into the ferry business. While each of these might by itself be some reason to suspect that Martha Peay ROPER was the Martha who appeared in Lincoln, Tennessee, there were also a couple of dissonant facts which seem NOT to support this construction. First, the William ROPER who is shown to have been involved in the divorce with Polly seemed to have connections to Virginia rather than North Carolina. There was no reason to believe that William ROPER, of Anson, had ever lived in Virginia. Second, the account as to William and Polly ROPER puts this couple in Tennessee at an earlier date. But their location seems to have been Davidson County rather than Lincoln County. Third, I subsequently discovered records showing that Polly ROPER had remarried after her divorce and the probate records for Martha ROPER in Arkansas showed Martha using the ROPER surname. I still believe that Martha Peay ROPER WAS the William ROPER's widow and that she DID migrate from Fairfield, SC, to Arkansas. But I do NOT believe that she made an intermediate stop in Tennessee, nor do I believe that this Martha is the "Polly" ROPER shown in the divorce. Remarkably, though, the Polly ROPER who divorced William ROPER, of Virginia, and later Davidson, TN, DID seem to retreat to the VERY PLACE from which the PEAY family hailed. And there are apparently extant bastardy records there which pertain to the sordid "Polly" ROPER scandal, which is one hell of a coincidence! * * * Once one admits that there WAS a Joseph ROPER in Lincoln AND the likelihood that Martha ROPER was Joseph ROPER's widow, and this IS what the data seems to suggest, drawing the inference that Joseph ROPER probably migrated from Pendleton, SC, to Lincoln, TN, becomes much simpler. I belive that this construction is correct. * * * However, I am now reassessing the correctness of the ascription of Joseph ROPER as a possible son of John ROPER, of Pendleton, SC. While I DO think that Joseph ROPER, of Pendleton, probably migrated to Lincoln, TN, I now suspect that this Joseph ROPER was NOT the brother of John ROPER and David ROPER. Instead, I suspect that this Joseph ROPER was probably the son of Charles ROPER and Elizabeth BUTLER, of Dinwiddie, and the grandson of Charles ROPER and Ann GOODWYN. Upon realization of this possibility, I was re-examining the family of Charles ROPER and Elizabeth BUTLER. The really remarkable thing is that as many as 30% to 35% of the ROPERs in the American South are probably descended from Charles ROPER and Ann GOODWYN, and yet NO ONE has EVER BOTHERED to make any concerted study of this family. Instead, the ROPER family history fictionalists have created so many SPECIOUS and FRAUDULENT lineages, ascribing everyone to fictitious ancestors, and then left Charles ROPER's family almost completely UNEXAMINED. It is really APPALLING what these people have done to undermine ROPER genealogy! I continue to receive frequent communications from various people wanting help proving that they are descended from one or other completely FICTIONAL PERSON. When a complete and correct genealogy of Charles ROPER's and Ann GOODWYN's is completed and the various fictional ancestors and fraudulent lineages are deleted, MOST ROPER family histories will be reasonably correct. When pieces of the puzzle are inserted into the puzzle correctly, one is left both with fewer remaining pieces and a clearer view of what the puzzle will ultimately look like and reveal. Unfortunately, due to the rampant dishonesty, the family history now looks like a bizarre picture painted by a surrealist artist with very bad cataracts while stoned! It is both nightmarish and out of focus, more fitting for a horror movie than something to show to one's family. I continue to contend with hundreds who believe that Richard ROPER, of Greensville, VA, was conceived at age 8 and fought in the Revolution at age 80. Most of those who claim descent from Richard ROPER distinguish themselves mostly by both their dishonesty and there bald denial of overwhelming evidence that they are idiots! This is especially unbelievable given the important role of this branch of the family in the early history of the Methodist Church. And yet instead of claiming descent from a REAL itinerant Methodist minister, they cling to falsehood and deceit! It is simply mind numbing. * * * * * I have NOT yet reach firm conclusions about Joseph ROPER, but think you are generally now on the right track, but that we need to carefully assess whether Joseph ROPER may actually be Charles and Elizabeth Butler ROPER's son. I have been sidetracked recently and haven't been able to complete my inquiry into Joseph ROPER, but suggest that you remain open to and weigh this alternative possibility. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1923.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Frank: You are CORRECT that I was skeptical about the reports of a Joseph ROPER in Lincoln County, TN, when Ancestry was showing this Joseph ROPER to be residing in Jackson County, TN. Ultimately, I realized that there was a systemic problem as to the Ancestry presentation of the 1820 Census data for Lincoln and given the very poor mechanisms for feedback reporting to Ancestry.com decided that the best approach was to push a report of the defect out onto the Lincoln County Message Board and trust that someone better networked with Ancestry would secure the correction of these records: "Systemic Problem with Indexing and Presentation of 1820 Census Data for Lincoln County at Ancestry" (21 Jan 2013 9:11AM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.counties.lincoln/1742/mb.ashx Ancestry has since fixed the 1820 Lincoln data. However, I was less successful at remembering the discovery of the problem, as my older notes in several places reflected that Joseph ROPER was in Jackson rather than Lincoln, TN. I have CORRECTED the post "ROPERs Households in the 1820 Census for Tennessee" to reflect that Joseph ROPER IS in Lincoln County rather than Jackson County, TN. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Wall Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1718.8/mb.ashx Message Board Post: James ROPER is shown to be a co-executor of the Will of John WALL dated 01 Feb 1793 and proved at the June 1793 Greensville, VA, Court. John WALL's Will is recorded in Greensville Will Book No. 2, at page 31. This seems to show James ROPER's continued presence in Northampton County, NC, through at least 1793. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Hart, Wall, Davis, Moore, Hargrove, Duberry, Bass, Jordon, Morris, Roberts, Vick, Burnett, Daniel Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1931.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In my previous post about Ann Lewis ROPER, I noted the appearance of Ann's son Charles ROPER as a head of household in the 1810 Census: Charles ROPER: 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 - 100 [Northampton, NC 1810] Unfortunately, this was the ONLY Census in which Charles ROPER appeared prior to his death. * * * * * Extant Northampton, NC, Probate records reflect Charles ROPER's death before December 1814. Amongst extant and readily accessible Northampton County Court records is the petition of Sally ROPER for an allotment for support from Charles ROPER's estate: Sally ROPER's Petition December Session 1814 "The petition of Sally ROPER sweith unto your worship that she is the widow and relict of Charles ROPER who died some time in the month of ______ in the present year intestate seized and possessed of a crop stock and provisions. Your petitioner prays your worships to appoint one Justice and three free- holders unconnected with your petitioners to ????? the estate of said intestate and allot and appoint as much of the said crop stock and provisions as they may consider sufficient for the support and maintenance of your petitioner and family for the space?? of one year and make report to the next county Court under their hands and seals agreeable to an Act of the General Assembly in such case made and provided and your petitioner will as in duly bound will ??? pray etc. J. DUPREE See: "North Carolina, County Records, 1833-1970," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-25459-11150-80?cc=1916185&wc=MC8D-WP6:202910901,204054101 : accessed 05 Jul 2014), Northampton > Estates 1786-1930 vol 187 Rook, W.D.-Rutland, Narsworthy > image 171 of 640; citing Department of Archives and History, Raleigh. NOTE: The YEAR of the Court or date of Charles ROPER's death is NOT GIVEN on this page. However, on what appears to be the reverse of this page is an indication that this petition was presented to the December 1814 Court for Northampton, North Carolina. The petition is shown to be addressed to the Court and it appears that Sterling BOYKIN was the Justice and Mathias DEBERRY, Leml. HARGROVES and Isham FENNEL were the freeholders selected to appraise and set aside an allotment for Sally ROPER. The surname DUPREE more clearly appears [no first name] and he appears to be an attorney acting for Sally ROPER. See: "North Carolina, County Records, 1833-1970," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-25459-11142-80?cc=1916185&wc=MC8D-WP6:202910901,204054101 : accessed 05 Jul 2014), Northampton > Estates 1786-1930 vol 187 Rook, W.D.-Rutland, Narsworthy > image 172 of 640; citing Department of Archives and History, Raleigh. * * * The next Image [173] at the FamilySearch site shows the allotment set aside for Sally ROPER. See: "North Carolina, County Records, 1833-1970," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-25459-11248-25?cc=1916185&wc=MC8D-WP6:202910901,204054101 : accessed 05 Jul 2014), Northampton > Estates 1786-1930 vol 187 Rook, W.D.-Rutland, Narsworthy > image 173 of 640; citing Department of Archives and History, Raleigh. * * * The Images in the Estate File are NOT in chronological order. Several records after the allotment, there is a bond of James DAVIS, John R. MOORE and Lemuel HARGROVE in support of James DAVIS' application to be named administrator of Charles ROPER's Estate. James DAVIS' realtionship to the decedent is NOT given, though perhaps he is a relative -- father or brother -- of Charles ROPER's widow Sally ROPER. Another possibility is that he might be a brother-in-law, married to one of Charles ROPER's sisters (though it appears that Ritty and Sarah never married). The bond is dated December 5, 1814, further refining the date range of Charles ROPER's life. See: "North Carolina, County Records, 1833-1970," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-25459-11946-7?cc=1916185&wc=MC8D-WP6:202910901,204054101 : accessed 05 Jul 2014), Northampton > Estates 1786-1930 vol 187 Rook, W.D.-Rutland, Narsworthy > image 179 of 640; citing Department of Archives and History, Raleigh. * * The Inventory of Charles ROPER's Estate shows a very modest estate consisting of Charles ROPER's personal property. He owned one man's saddle (inherited from his grandmother, Angelica LEWIS), 2 cows and calfs, 1 yearling, household furniture and appliances and a few farming implements. The Inventory is shown to hav ebeen recorded by order of the Court in March 1815. See: "North Carolina, County Records, 1833-1970," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-25459-10356-43?cc=1916185&wc=MC8D-WP6:202910901,204054101 : accessed 05 Jul 2014), Northampton > Estates 1786-1930 vol 187 Rook, W.D.-Rutland, Narsworthy > image 189 of 640; citing Department of Archives and History, Raleigh. * * The Inventory Sales Account of Charles ROPER's Estate gives us some additional insight. Since the images are readily available online, I am NOT going to fully transcribe this document, but rather merely summarize purchasers of Estate Inventory. To see what each person purcahsed, refer to the images [Images 191-2]: Sally ROPER (Widow) James DAVIS (Administrator) Mattias DUBERRY John BASS Joseph JORDAN Ann ROPER (Charles ROPER's mother) Hardy PRITCHARD Thos. MORRIS Willis ROBERTS Eli VICK Henry MORRIS John DANIEL, Junr. [the Junr. seems to be stricken through] * * James DAVIS apparently made an account of the estate at the Sep 1816 Northampton Court, which Account was ordered to be recorded [Images 184-5]. Turner WILLIAMSON is mentioned in this account. This name is familiar for reasons I cannot recall. See: "North Carolina, County Records, 1833-1970," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-25459-10363-54?cc=1916185&wc=MC8D-WP6:202910901,204054101 : accessed 05 Jul 2014), Northampton > Estates 1786-1930 vol 187 Rook, W.D.-Rutland, Narsworthy > image 184 of 640; citing Department of Archives and History, Raleigh. * * * In June 1817, Sarah ROPER gave an account of her expenditures on behalf of the orphans of Charles ROPER. Thus, we learn that "Sally" was probably a nickname for Sarah. The account shows that Sarah ROPER is guardian of John, Marthy and Thomas ROPER [Image 182]. Since Charles ROPER has only one other male in his household in 1810, a child under age 10, it seems likely that John and Sarah had then only recently married and John, Martha and Thomas seem likely to be ALL of their children. No doubt, Thomas ROPER was named for his uncle, Charles ROPER's brother. See: "North Carolina, County Records, 1833-1970," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-25459-10398-45?cc=1916185&wc=MC8D-WP6:202910901,204054101 : accessed 05 Jul 2014), Northampton > Estates 1786-1930 vol 187 Rook, W.D.-Rutland, Narsworthy > image 181 of 640; citing Department of Archives and History, Raleigh. * * * * * At Images 193-4, we find an Inventory shown to be Inventory of Sally BURNETT, Widow of Charles ROPER. This Inventory is dated March 20 1826. This Inventory was presented to the Northampton Court in March 1827. See: "North Carolina, County Records, 1833-1970," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-25459-11881-3?cc=1916185&wc=MC8D-WP6:202910901,204054101 : accessed 05 Jul 2014), Northampton > Estates 1786-1930 vol 187 Rook, W.D.-Rutland, Narsworthy > image 193 of 640; citing Department of Archives and History, Raleigh. An account of the Inventory Sales of Sally BURNETT's Estate follows. Sally's estate was very small. Purchasers of the Estate Inventory are shown to be: Ritty ROPER (sister-in-law) Presley DANIEL Martha ROPER (daughter) Robert BURNETT See: "North Carolina, County Records, 1833-1970," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-25459-12605-47?cc=1916185&wc=MC8D-WP6:202910901,204054101 : accessed 05 Jul 2014), Northampton > Estates 1786-1930 vol 187 Rook, W.D.-Rutland, Narsworthy > image 195 of 640; citing Department of Archives and History, Raleigh. * * * An additional guardianship bond dated 06 Mar 1826 by Ritty ROPER appears at Image 177. It also identifies John ROPER and Martha ROPER as her wards. The absence of other children in this document seems to suggest that John and Martha were probably Charles and Sally ROPER's only living children by 1826. Even if Thomas ROPER was OLDER than John ROPER, it seems UNLIKELY that he would have been age 21 by March 1826. See: "North Carolina, County Records, 1833-1970," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-25459-11979-94?cc=1916185&wc=MC8D-WP6:202910901,204054101 : accessed 05 Jul 2014), Northampton > Estates 1786-1930 vol 187 Rook, W.D.-Rutland, Narsworthy > image 177 of 640; citing Department of Archives and History, Raleigh. * * * The Image and document in the file of the Estate of Charles ROPER, Deceased, following the allotment by the freeholders is the bond of Ritty ROPER dated 02 Mar 1829, showing Ritty ROPER's qualification to continue serve as the guardian of John ROPER and Martha ROPER, orphans of Charles ROPER, deceased. See: "North Carolina, County Records, 1833-1970," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-25459-11164-26?cc=1916185&wc=MC8D-WP6:202910901,204054101 : accessed 05 Jul 2014), Northampton > Estates 1786-1930 vol 187 Rook, W.D.-Rutland, Narsworthy > image 175 of 640; citing Department of Archives and History, Raleigh. Thus, we know that Charles ROPER was born abt 1776-82 and that he died before 05 Dec 1814. We know that Charles ROPER's widow was named Sarah "Sally" ROPER and that Charles ROPER had at least three minor children at his death: John ROPER (b abt 1808-14)* Martha ROPER (b abt 1810-14) Thomas ROPER (b abt 1810-14) If John ROPER was born before 1808, he wouldn't have been a minor in March 1829. If John ROPER was the male under age 10 in Charles ROPER's 1810 Census record, which seems most likely, this would further narrow the age range to b abt 1808-10. If Martha and/or Thomas were born in 1810, it seems likely that their birth was AFTER the 1810 Census. It seems most likely that the children were shown in birth order in the guardianship document. * * * John and Martha ROPER are each still mentioned in Ritty ROPER's March 1829 guardianship accounting. See: "North Carolina, County Records, 1833-1970," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-25459-13344-48?cc=1916185&wc=MC8D-WP6:202910901,204054101 : accessed 06 Jul 2014), Northampton > Estates 1786-1930 vol 187 Rook, W.D.-Rutland, Narsworthy > image 199 of 640; citing Department of Archives and History, Raleigh. * * John ROPER and Martha ROPER are both shown within a March 1830 guardianship account submitted to the Court by their guardian and aunt Ritty ROPER. This seems to suggest that John ROPER was NOT YET age 21 by March 1830. See: "North Carolina, County Records, 1833-1970," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-25459-13776-13?cc=1916185&wc=MC8D-WP6:202910901,204054101 : accessed 05 Jul 2014), Northampton > Estates 1786-1930 vol 187 Rook, W.D.-Rutland, Narsworthy > image 197 of 640; citing Department of Archives and History, Raleigh. * * * * * John ROPER is shown to have married Rebecca HART on 07 Jan 1836 in Northampton, NC. See: "North Carolina, County Marriages, 1762-1979 ," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XFS2-589 : accessed 06 Jul 2014), John Roper and Rebekah Hart, 07 Jan 1836; citing Northampton, North Carolina, United States; FHL microfilm 000275919. Martha ROPER is shown to have married Edward F. WALL on 11 Nov 1831 in Northampton, NC. See: "North Carolina, County Marriages, 1762-1979 ," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XFS2-B5N : accessed 06 Jul 2014), Edward F Wall and Martha Roper, 11 Nov 1831; citing Northampton, North Carolina, United States; FHL microfilm 000275919. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Hart Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1718.7.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The North Carolina Supreme Court decision cited in the inaugural post of this thread explains that James ROPER's widow, Sarah ROPER married Brittain HART in November 1847 and that Sarah McRae Roper HART DIED in January 1849. In the 1850 Census there is a Britton HART, age 40 (b abt 1810), residing with wife Ann, age 28, and five children, ranging in age from 14 (William) to 1/12 (John). There is a seven year gap between the fourth child Frances, age 8, and the infant John. It seems most likely that Britton HART was much younger than Sarah ROPER and that he married her after his wife died following the bother of Frances. Since Sarah was much older, there were no children from this marriage, but that Britton HART remarried almost immediately after Sarah's death to the Ann HART shown in the 1850 Census record. Secondary sources show the name of the first spouse as Lucy WALL. Secondary sources show the name of the third wife as Anna Elizabeth WADE. Adding a touch of possible scandal, these same secondary sources seem to show the marriage of Brittain HART to Anna WADE taking place on 02 Sep 1848! It is unclear whether this is actually correct. Secondary sources show Brittain/Britton HART as dying in 1887 in Drew County, Arkansas. I HAVE NOT VERIFIED THE MARRIAGE OR DEATH INFORMATION AND AM INCLUDING IT AS A FINDING AID FOR THOSE RESEARCHING THIS FAMILY. ALL INFORMATION SHOULD BE VERIFIED. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, McRae Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1718.7.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is really exceptionally helpful information in helping to sort out some of the early North Carolina ROPERs! There is a Census record for a Mrs. Sara ROPER enumerated in the Fair Ground District, Rutherford, NC, in the 1840 Census. This Sara ROPER is shown to have a female age 100 or more residing within her household. There are also several BOSTICKs on this Census page, as well as a Mrs. K. McRAE and a John McRAE. Sara ROPER's Census record shows: Sara ROPER: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 4 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Rutherford, NC 1840] [Image 3 of 9 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1840 Census data for Fair Ground District, Rutherford, NC] This Census record seems to show Sara ROPER as age 40 to 49 (b abt 1791-1800). Curiously, there is also a male of the same age range in this household. * * * By contrast, the 1830 Census record for James ROPER in Richmond, NC, seems to show the eldest female also in the 40 to 49 year age range (b abt 1781-90), suggesting that Sarah ROPER's age in the 1840 enumeration may have been understated: James ROPER: 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 4 - 3 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 3 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 19 Total [Image 17 of 54 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1830 Census data for Richmond, NC] On the Census page immediately following that of James ROPER in the 1830 Census [Image 19] there is a Daniel McRAE (Miller), who seems likely to be the male shown to be age 40 to 49, with a female age 90 to 99 (b abt 1731-40) residing within Daniel's household. There are several other very ancient females on this Census page (and females in Richmond County, NC, seemed to live very long lives), but even so it seems most likely that Sarah McRAE is the elderly female in Daniel McRAE's household in 1839. What else can you tell us about Sarah McRae ROPER? Do you have other information about the McRAE family? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/54.328.404/mb.ashx Message Board Post: See my thread: " John ROPER (b 08 Jan 1788 - NC, d Oct 1863), of Greene and Pulaski Counties, Missouri" (19 Apr 2014 9:58PM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1899/mb.ashx For some tentative information about the prior generation, see my post: "John ROPER (b abt 1756-66), of Pendleton, SC" (08 Jun 2014 1:51AM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1899.7/mb.ashx * * * We need another DNA test subject from this ROPER family. It is even more critical to get a DNA test subject from the family of David ROPER (b 08 Jun 1792 - SC, d 17 Apr 1878 - Lawrence, MO), of Greene, MO. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/54.329.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Francis Yewell ROPER (b 16 Sep 1813 - TN) almost certainly was NOT born in Maury, TN. Someone just made up this "fact" for which there is no supporting evidence whatsoever. There is some reason to suspect that Francis Yewell ROPER's father John ROPER (b 08 Jan 1788 - NC, d Oct 1863) was probably in East Tennessee living near his father and brothers at about the date of Francis Yewell ROPER's birth. David ROPER and Ewel ROPER are shount to have served in the Blount County militia during the War of 1812. John ROPER is enumerated in Monroe County, TN, in the 1830 Census. The 1820 Census returns are extant for Maury County, but LOST for East Tennessee counties. John ROPER seems NOT to appear in extant 1820 Census returns, probably because he was living in the Tennessee River Valley in East Tennessee. See my thread: "John ROPER (b 08 Jan 1788 - NC, d Oct 1863), of Greene and Pulaski Counties, Missouri" (19 Apr 2014 9:58PM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1899/mb.ashx Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: WBostick9509 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1718.7/mb.ashx Message Board Post: James Roper - 1833 - abstracted by M.N. Bridges, Estate Record 1772-1933, Richmond County, North Carolina, Book III, pp. 222-223 - excerpts Petition of Sarah Roper, widow of James Roper, deceased. 1. Her late husband, James Roper, died seized and possessed of a large real and personal estate, both in the Counties of Richmond and Montgomery; 2. He made and published a LWT, but has not made ample provision for your petitioner; 3. (Description of properties, beginning with a tract of 150 acs which was granted to Duncan McRae..). (Petitioner seeks her 1/3 dower) In a footnote, Ms Bridges cites June 5, 1844 issue of Fayetteville Observer: Died in Richmond County on the 23rd at the home of her daughter, Mrs. Sarah Roper, Mrs. Sarah McRae, age 106 years [if true, then born about 1738] Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42WhitesChapel Surnames: ROPER Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1930/mb.ashx Message Board Post: ROPER Lillie 1910-1997 I photographed this tombstone in the White's Chapel Cemetery, Tarrant County, Texas. Feel free to use the picture for your records. See this photo, one of the 236,049 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com . If you know more about this person please reply here,instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42WhitesChapel Surnames: ROPER Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1929/mb.ashx Message Board Post: ROPER John Lawrence 1896-1978 I photographed this tombstone in the White's Chapel Cemetery, Tarrant County, Texas. Feel free to use the picture for your records. See this photo, one of the 236,049 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com . If you know more about this person please reply here,instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>