This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1920.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sadly, the collection of the North Carolina Archives is not nearly as fully and professionally catalogued as the material in the Virginia State Library and Archives in Richmond. While the abundant annual Personal Property Tax Lists in Virginia are discussed in helpful research notes and finding aids, trying to find anything at the North Carolina Archives can be a challenge. I noticed though, that there appears to be a transcription of the 1782 Tax List for Rutherford County, North Carolina, within Volumes 13 or 14 of the publication "North Carolina Genealogy." I understand that there is at least one ROPER on this list, supposedly on Page 1919. There is also supposedly a reference to Charles ROPER in one of these volumes, though the context of the mention is less clear. This periodical is available at a number of leading libraries, including the Library of Virginia, the University of Virginia Library, the Virginia Tech Library, the Duke University Library, amongst others. See: http://www.worldcat.org/title/north-carolina-genealogy/oclc/1760558 If someone gets by a library that includes this publication within its holdings before I do, I would appreciate your noting what appears in the Rutherford Tax List for 1782. The identity of the persons resident in Rutherford that year could be very helpful in clearing up several uncertain relationships! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/518.7/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Within the book Register of All Officers and Agents, Civil, Military and Naval in the Service of the United States on the Thirtieth September 1845 (Washington: J. & G. S. Gideon, Printers, 1845), Joseph W. ROPER is shown as the Postmaster for Burnt Quarter, Dinwiddie, Virginia. The entry seems to indicate that Joseph W. ROPER held this position to March 17, 1845, and seems to have been then succeeded by Page H. VADEN. Joseph ROPER's compensation for this position seems to have been $4.23, with an additional amount shown as Net Proceeds coming to $6.87 (perhaps a commission of stamp sales or deliveries). [at page 182] See: http://books.google.com/books?id=gd1BAQAAMAAJ&dq=&pg=RA1-PA182#v=onepage&q=Roper&f=false Also within this volume, both William ROPER and Elisha ROPER are shown to be mail contractors for the State of North Carolina. [at page 558] See: http://books.google.com/books?id=gd1BAQAAMAAJ&dq=&pg=PA558#v=onepage&q=Roper&f=false * Perhaps there are some other interesting names in this Volume. I have NOT given it a very thorough scrutiny. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1937.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Within the book An Account of the Society for Promoting Religious Knowledge Among the Poor, Begun Anno 1750 (London: Thomas Field, 1779) there appears on page 32 a mention of the admission of Mr. Charles ROPER to the Society in 1768. He is shown as: "Mr. Charles Roper, Dinwiddie County, Virginia" A copy of this book is now available online at the Google Books website: http://books.google.com/books?id=gHpbAAAAQAAJ&dq=&pg=PA32#v=onepage&q=Roper&f=false It probably bears mention that most of the members are shown to be in England rather than America. Amongst the other subscribing Virginians shown within this volume to be members of the Society are: Mt. Thomas ANDERSON, Dinwiddie County, Virginia (1768) [page 10] Mr. John EDMONSON, Dinwiddie County, Virginia (1768) [page 18] Mr. William GLASSCOCK, Dinwiddie County, Virginia (1768) [page 20] Mr. [sic] Mildred HARDAWAY, Dinwiddie County, Virginia (1768) [page 22] Capt. John HUNTER, Albemarle, Virginia (1758) [page 21] Rev. Devereux JARRAT, Dinwiddie County, Virginia (1767) [page 24] William JACKSON, Dinwiddie County, Virginia (1768) [page 24] Col. William JONES, Dinwiddie County, Virginia (1768) [page 25] Capt. Joseph MARRON, Lunenburg, Virginia (1761) [page 27] Mr. Peter MASON, Dinwiddie County, Virginia (1768) [page 27] Rev. Archibald MacROBERT, Chesterfield County, Virginia (1769) [page 27] Mr. Edward OLD, Dinwiddie County, Virginia (1768) [page 29] Mr. Peter THOMAS, Dinwiddie County, Virginia (1768) [page 36] Rev. John TODD, Louisa County, Virginia (1756) [page 36] Mr. Jeremiah WHITE, Dinwiddie County (1768) [page 39] * It is perhaps noteworthy that this Society has more members from Dinwiddie alone than from any other Colony in America. It seems likely that Rev. JARRATT was a driving force in obtaining additional members in Dinwiddie. It is also perhaps noteworthy that several of the other handful of American members are very significant figures of the Colonial period, such as Dr. Benjamin RUSH, of Philadelphia, and Richard STOCKTON, of Princeton, NJ. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1898.9/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Frank: There is an indication within a published secondary compilation of Warrent County, KY, deed abstracts that George ROPER recorded a deed of sale of slaves in March 1806. The abstract says: "174 Geo ROPER and wife Blanche to Jas. BURCH. negroes $1000. Wit. Geo. GRAHAM. Chas WADDLE. 3-ii-1806 [sic]" Warren County, Kentucky, Deeds, Books A-C (1797-1807) See: https://archive.org/stream/warrencountykent00slsn#page/n104/mode/1up * It should be noted (a) there may be OTHER mentions within the Warren Deeds, and (b) the underlying PRIMARY RECORD should be consulted, since it might very well include some details omitted from the abstract. The original of this abstract, clearly typed on an ancient manual typewriter and lacking the clarity necessary for good Optical Character Recognition. There may be other mentions in the ONLINE version but finding them will require a page by page inspection. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1872.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In my prevous post, I suggested that Livingston or Crittenden Counties in Kentucky might also be places to look for deed records or probate records for this Samuel ROPER. Dave ROPER's Kentucky ROPER Family page shows an index entry reflecting the existence of a Will for a Samuel ROPER, of Livingston, KY: Samuel Roper, Livingston Co., KY 119 Book 8 1849 I suspect that this is the Will of Samuel ROPER (d Jul 1849 - Pope, IL). Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1872.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Frank: I believe that Samuel ROPER's 1840 Census record is probably the second record from the top at Image 1 of 45 at the Ancestry.com presentation of the 1840 Census data: Saml ROPER: 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- NO SLAVES [Pope, IL, 1840] See: "United States Census, 1840," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHBD-J7Z : accessed 22 Aug 2014), Saml Roper, Not Stated, Pope, Illinois; citing "1840 United States Federal Census," Ancestry.com; p. 166, NARA microfilm publication M704, roll 68, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0007645. This record also shows a total of 5 persons residing in the household and two of these engaged in "Commerce". This record follows that of Newton B. CLARK and precedes that of E. B. FRANKLIN. The record reflects an age for Samuel of 30 to 30 (b abt 1801-10), which is consistent with the Mortality record you previously identified. The record seems to show a female also age 30 to 39, a younger female age 15 to 19 (b abt 1821-5) and two males under age 5 (b abt 1836-40). Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: batchelorw Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1923.2.1.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Bill, You are correct that there are two separate individuals, Hartwell Roper and Freeman H. Roper, and I was mistaken. I further agree that Freeman H. Roper is a probable son of John Roper and Sophia Clacker. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1872.5/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There are two additional records from Golconda, Pope County, IL, that may further inform our inquiry of this ROPER family which bear mention. These appear with the book: "Illinois Miscellaneous Genealogical Records from Counties - Bond, Boone, Calhoun, Cook, Crawford, Du Page, Johnson, Knox, Lake - Will, Pope," compiled by Gertrude S. WHEELER (Evanston, IL: Illinois Organization of the National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution, 1946) This Book is further described at Ancestry.com as: Description Section: Illinois Pope County genealogical records Source Information Ancestry.com. Illinois miscellaneous genealogical records : from counties, Bond, Boone, Calhoun, Cook, Crawford, Du Page, Johnson, Knox, Lake [database on-line]. Provo, UT: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005. Original data: Illinois miscellaneous genealogical records : from counties, Bond, Boone, Calhoun, Cook, Crawford, Du Page, Johnson, Knox, Lake, Will, Pope : Kentucky county, Mercer : Missouri county, Ralls. Evanston, Ill.: Illinois Society, D.A.R., 1946. * * * The earlier of these is with transcriptions of records from the Presbyterian Church of Golconda, Pope County, Illionois. This seems to show the adult Baptism of Mary Susan ROPER on December 3, 1827, by B. F. SPILMAN. The page shows page number 182 and has a further imprint showing "104". [Image 116 of 173 at the Ancestry.com presentation of this source] * Session Book of the Golconda Church, Book 2. June 5, 1831: Samuel ROPER - Left. Joined Campelites [sic]. The page shows page number 4 and has a further imprint showing "125". [Image 137 of 173 at the Ancestry.com presentation of this source] * * * The latter reference to "Campelites" seems to have been a spelling variant no doubt intended as the somewhat perjorative term "Cambellite," referring to adherents of certain religious groups that have historic roots in the Restoration Movement, among whose most prominent 19th century leaders were Thomas and Alexander Campbell. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: UnionFrankie Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1903.4.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There are 2 documents that show Joseph F. Ropers middle name to be "Fincher" rather than "Fletcher" as alleged by unknown "researchers". these documents are a Register of Receipts 1834-1836 found in the Mardisville Land Office Records and a List of Military Land Grants 1834-1836 posted on Cleburne County, Alabama Genweb archives. I also have in my possession a copy of a land certificate #1017 dated AUGUST 1,1837 AND SIGNED BY President Martin Van Buren bestowing the land grant mentioned in the above list to Joseph Fincher Roper and his brother-in-law William P. Evans. The only presented source I have seen for the Fletcher name crowd has been World Family Tree which is nothing more than someones posted family info and not very reliable. On another site I have seen the marriage of Joseph to Margaret McEwen presented as Joseph Fletcher Roper but what is evident is that the record clearly had Joseph F. Roper and the poster added the "Letcher" to the name. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Clacker Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1923.2.1.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Frank: I am also a little puzzled by this statement: "David Rober is probably the Rev David Roper who married Sally Stell and is probably the brother of John Roper." I am perplexed because I am aware of NO EVIDENCE that the David W. ROPER who married Sally STELL was a minister. I previously discussed this David W. ROPER in this thread: "David W. ROPER (abt 1795-1800 - Dinwiddie, VA, d 11 Feb 1840 - Williamson Co., TN)" (15 Jan 2013 10:59PM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1762/mb.ashx * * * If you know of some evidence that this David W. ROPER was a minister, I would be very interested in learning this. Separately, I am curious as to WHY you think that David W. ROPER, of Dinwiddie, would be a brother of John ROPER, of Edgefield. Finally, given that this David W. ROPER (abt 1795-1800 - Dinwiddie, VA) was born between 1795-1800, I am puzzled by WHY you think that David W. ROPER, for whom there seems to be NO EVIDENCE that he resided anywhere else (other than Dinwiddie) prior to his migration to Williamson County, TN, would have traveled to Edgefield at age 14 to 19 to witness John CLACKER's Will. Why wouldn't John CLACKER have simply chosen someone who lived nearby, such as a neighbor or other family member? Can you identifiy any evidence in support of this curious hypothesis? * * * I am certainly inclined to agree that the ROBER mention reflects a ROPER. I am NOT altogether in disagreement with the idea that the David ROPER who witnessed John CLACKER's Will might have been David ROPER, the son of David ROPER (b 29 Jun 1742 - VA). Nor can I present a conclusive argument that John ROPER (d 24 Aug 1820), of Edgefield, isn't the son of David ROPER's (b 29 Jun 1742 - VA) son David ROPER, though he could also be a son of Charles ROPER. But I am just not following your argument or logic. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Clacker Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1923.2.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Frank: In your post above, you stated "Hartwell Roper appears to actually be Freeman Hartwell Roper. Freeman Roper went by F. H. Roper in his 1880 Edgefield County, SC census." I know for no basis to ascribe that Hartwell ROPER and Freeman H. ROPER were the SAME person and the evidence shows otherwise. I previously discussed Freeman H. ROPER in my post: "Genealogical Notes on Freeman H. ROPER of Edgefield, SC" (4 Jul 2002 4:13PM) http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.roper/498.1/mb.ashx * * * Hartwell ROPER is shown to have married Margaret GETZEN on 31 Oct 1839 in Edgefield, SC. Freeman H. ROPER is shown to have married Charlesy Ann LIMBECKER on 29 Dec 1842 in Edgefield, SC. * * * 1840 CENSUS As I have previously noted, in 1840 Hartwell ROPER is enumerated as a head of household in Edgefield: Hartwell ROPER: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Edgefield, SC - 1840] [Image 55 of 172 at Ancestry.com] This Hartwell ROPER is age 30 to 39 (b abt 1801-10). The elder man, shown to be age 70 to 79, is almost certainly Hartwell ROPER's FATHER, Benjamin ROPER (b abt 1767, d 23 Oct 1845 - Edgefield, SC). See: "Distinguishing the Two Benjamin ROPERs Found in Early Edgefield, SC, Records" (27 Mar 2014 3:46PM) http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.roper/1883/mb.ashx * Sophia ROPER is shown on the very same Census page. Sophia ROPER: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 [Edgefield, SC - 1840] [Image 55 of 172 at Ancestry.com] Sophia ROPER is also shown to have a male age 30 to 39 (b abt 1801-10) residing within her household. This seems likely to be Freeman H. ROPER. * * * 1850 CENSUS In 1850, Hartwell ROPER, age 50 (b abt 1800 - SC) is enumerated again residing in Edgefield, SC. He is living alone. [Image 244 of 358 at Ancestry.com] * Freeman ROPER, age 41 (b abt 1809 - SC), is enumerated within Edgefield, SC, in 1850, with Sophia ROPER, age 68 (b abt 1782 - SC) residing in her household. [Images 162-3 of 358 at Ancestry.com] See: "United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M8QF-LPK : accessed 22 Aug 2014), Freeman Roper Or Rosser, Edgefield county, part of, Edgefield, South Carolina, United States; citing family 1255, NARA microfilm publication M432. * * * 1860 CENSUS In 1860, Hartwell ROPER, age 56 (b abt 1804 - SC), is enumerated residing in Edgefield, SC, by himself. [Ancestry Image 174 of 225] * F.H. ROPER, age 50 (b abt 1810 - SC), is also enumerated residing in Edgefield, SC, with C.A. ROPER, age 35. [Ancestry Image 212 of 225] See: "United States Census, 1860," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MZTC-SG3 : accessed 22 Aug 2014), F H Roper, Edgefield District, Edgefield, South Carolina, United States; citing "1860 U.S. Federal Census - Population," Fold3.com; p. 212, household ID 1615, NARA microfilm publication M653; FHL microfilm 805219. * * * DEATH OF HARTWELL ROPER Hartwell ROPER is shown by secondary sources to have died on 16 Jun 1769 in Edgefield County, SC. While I am unaware of the priamry authority for that specific date, it appears to be credible and is at least consistent with the appearance of Hartwell ROPER [shown as "Hartway Roper"] within the 1870 Federal Mortality Schedule as having died in Jun 1869 of heart disease. * * * 1870 CENSUS Freeman H. ROPER, age 59 (b abt 1811 - SC), is enumerated with his children residing in Butler, Edgefield County, SC. [Ancestry Image 9 of 51] * * * 1880 CENSUS As you have noted, Freeman H. ROPER, age 70 (b abt 1810 - SC), is again enumerated in Edgefield, SC, in 1880, as "F.H. Roper". [Ancestry Image 65 of 73] See: "United States Census, 1880," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M6SZ-ZJF : accessed 22 Aug 2014), F H Roper, Meriwether, Edgefield, South Carolina, United States; citing sheet 251A, NARA microfilm publication T9. * * * * * The death records of several of Freeman ROPER's children further confirm the marriage of Freeman H. ROPER and Charlesy Ann LIMBECKER. Mary A. Roper SWEARINGTON (b Dec 1855 - Edgefield, SC, d 20 May 1933 - Aiken, SC) Sallie E. Roper HARDISTY (b 27 Feb 1857 - Edgefield, SC, d 15 Feb 1929 - Aiken, SC) James H. P. ROPER (b 01 Jun 1863 - Edgefield, SC, d 14 Dec 1925 - Aiken, SC) See: "South Carolina Deaths, 1915-1943," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N9KW-TD6 : accessed 22 Aug 2014), Mary A. Roper Swearingen, 20 May 1933; citing Schultz, Aiken, South Carolina, cn 13753, Department of Archives and History, State Records Center, Columbia; FHL microfilm 1943795. "South Carolina Deaths, 1915-1943," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N9N2-7LK : accessed 22 Aug 2014), Jas. H. P. Roper, 14 Dec 1925; citing N. Augusta, Aiken, South Carolina, cn 19891, Department of Archives and History, State Records Center, Columbia; FHL microfilm 1913658. "South Carolina Deaths, 1915-1943," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N9KG-TNB : accessed 22 Aug 2014), Sallie E. Roper Hardisty, 15 Feb 1929; citing North Augusta, Aiken, South Carolina, fn 2180, Department of Archives and History, State Records Center, Columbia; FHL microfilm 1913704. * * * * * I would therefore submit the following arguments contra to your contention that Freeman ROPER and Hartwell ROPER were the SAME person. 1. The 1840 Census data is consistent with the presence of Freeman ROPER within Sophia ROPER's hosuehold while Hartwell ROPER was residing with his father in a separate household. 2. I do NOT believe that Freeman was a bigamist and seriously doubt that Freeman would have married Margaret GETZEN while still married Charlesy Ann LIMBECKER. 3. The 1850 Census records are consistent with the presence of distinct individuals named Hartwell ROPER and Freeman ROPER, each living in Edgefield, SC. 4. The 1860 Census records are consistent with the presence of distinct individuals named Hartwell ROPER and F.H. ROPER, each living in Edgefield, SC. 5. The 1870 Census records are consistent with the continued presence of Freeman H. ROPER after the documented death of Hartwell ROPER of heart disease in June 1869. 6. The 1880 Census records are consistent with the continued presence of F. H. ROPER after the documented death of Hartwell ROPER of heart disease in June 1869. * * * I believe that I have some other notes that also document the separate existence of separate individuals and show that these are NOT the same person. I will endeavor to find and transcribe those notes in a future post. * * * * * In my view, the primary data supports a conclusion that Hartwell ROPER was born abt 1800-4 and that Hartwell ROPER was a son of Benjamin ROPER (b abt 1767, d 23 Oct 1845 - Edgefield, SC). Similarly, the primary data supports a conclusion that Freeman H. ROPER was born abt 1809-11 and that Freeman H. ROPER was probably a John ROPER (d 24 Aug 1820), of Edgefield, SC. * * * * * REJECTION OF THE FICTIONALIST ACCOUNTS The ROPER Family History Fictionalists have published a number of false accounts about Freeman H. ROPER. One of these is the bizarre story that Freeman ROPER was born OUT OF WEDLOCK to Sophia Clacker ROPER on 26 Dec 1824, MORE THAN FOUR YEARS AFTER JOHN ROPER's DEATH. Similarly, the Fictionalists have ascribed John ROPER (d 24 Aug 1820), of Edgefield, SC, as a son of David ROPER (b 29 Jun 1742 - VA). While one can possibly argue that John ROPER might have been a son solely based upon PROXIMITY, the Fictionalists have published this as a FACT when there seem to be little factual basis for such an ascription. Basically, ANYONE who has any integrity needs to discontinue any reliance upon these dishonest secondary accounts and to REFRAIN from any further republication of the UNSOURCED constructions. Discussion about possibilities is one thing. Publication of these ascriptions as FACT is quite another. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42Lincoln_DallasCoTX Surnames: ROPER Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1941/mb.ashx Message Board Post: ROPER Payton Jr 1913 1986 in loving memory DaveStrickland photographed this gravestone in the Lincoln Memorial Cemetery, Dallas, Dallas Co., Texas. Feel free to use these pictures for your personal records. See this photo, one of the 236,980 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com . If you know more about this person please reply here,instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Rosser Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1939.14/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Within Dr. Stephen E. BRADLEY's published abstracts of deeds in Brunswick Deed Book 11, Dr. BRADLEY shows a List of Brunswick Tithables which is dated May 24, 1773. The List seems to have appeared a Book 11, Pages 138-44 and is abstracted in Volume 5 of BRADLEY's Brunswick Deed Abstracts at pages 59-62. BRADLEY has alphabetized the original list in his transcription. BRADLEY shows these names at page 61: David ROPER David ROPER J[ess]e ROPER For reasons I will elaborate in another post, I suspect that BRADLEY may have made an erroneous inference about the identity of the "Je. Roper" probably shown in the original underlying deed book. BRADLEY surmises that this is Jesse ROPER (b 31 May 1751), who is shown as a witness to the deed of Charles ROPER in the same volume. This is certainly plausible, as it is consistent with a young man leaving his father's household after reaching age 21. But Jesse ROPER was witnessing a conveyance made by Charles and Ann ROPER, of Dinwiddie. There is other specific NO REASON to believe that Jesse ROPER ever lived in Brunswick. Instead, he seems to have settled in Northampton County, NC, just to the South. While it is POSSIBLE that "Je. Roper" is Jesse ROPER and that he was just passing through Brunswick that year, possibly residing with his elder brother David, there is also another candidate who is KNOWN to have resided in Brunswick. This is Jeremiah ROPER. * * * My reading of the 1773 List of Brunswick Tithables is that David ROPER (b 29 Jun 1742 - VA) is then residing in Brunswick. Also residing in Brunswick is another David ROPER (b bef 1753) who is too old to be the son of David ROPER (b 29 Jun 1742 - VA). There also seems to be a somewhat ambiguous "Je. ROPER". I should probably also note that BRADLEY may have gotten the second David ROPER record wrong in another way, since there was also a ROSSER family then resident in Brunswick. There are NO ROSSERs shown on this List. The images from this deed book need to be carefully examined to ascertain whether there were, in fact TWO David ROPERs and whether there are any inferences which can be drawn about the locations or relationships by the SEQUENCE within which these names appear in the original List of Tithables. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Clacker Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1923.2.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Frank: I previously identified the date of death of John ROPER (d 24 Aug 1820), of Edgefield, in my post showing ROPER mentions in Jack RYAN's Journals: "Edgefield ROPER Mentions in the Jack RYAN Book" (9 Mar 2014 8:35PM GMT) http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/surnames.roper/1859.1/mb.ashx * I previously discussed Sophia CLACKER in this post more than a decade ago: "Sorting Out the ROPERs in Edgefield County SC in the Mid 1800s" (23 Jul 2002 9:35AM) http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.roper/512/mb.ashx I believe that the John ROPER who died in Edgefield on 24 Aug 1820 is likely to be the SAME John ROPER shown in the 1810 Census and Sophia CLACKER's husband. I do NOT believe that this John ROPER is likely to have been the son of David ROPER (b 29 Jun 1742 - VA). I have several hundred pages of untranscribed notes on the Edgefield ROPER family. I will try to work my way through these in the next few month. I still have quite a bit of additional material relating to the Brunswick ROPER family to post. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1923.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Frank: I am a little baffled at the introductory sentence of your otherwise very thoughtful post as well as your conclusion that John ROPER, of Edgefield, is the son of David ROPER, of Edgefield, SC. You state "I agree that John Roper of Edgefield County, SC is the son of David Roper of Edgefield County, SC." But that really was NOT the central premise of my previous post. Rather, the central premise of my post was that John ROPER, of Pendleton, SC, was the son of David ROPER (b 29 Jun 1742 - VA), of Brunswick. Instead of arguing that John ROPER, of Edgefield, was the same John ROPER found in Pendleton, SC, I rather specifically distinguished that it might be otherwise and gave John ROPER, of Edgefield, SC, rather superficial treatment precisely because I was focused on John ROPER, of Pendleton. In distinguishing the John ROPER, of Pendleton, from the John ROPER, of Edgefield, I noted: "This is admittedly a speculative explanation as to the differences in the composition of the household of John ROPER, of Pendleton, as compared to John ROPER, of Edgefield." I also added: "In my view, the 1810 Census record is somewhat ambiguous as to whether it reflects a younger or an older John ROPER." I added a closing segment about John ROPER, of Edgefield, beginning: "In my view, the case for John ROPER (b abt 1756-66) being David ROPER's son is far stronger than the case that the John ROPER found in Edgefield, SC, in 1820 is one and the same John ROPER." * * * Thus, to begin your post by agreeing with me that John ROPER, of Edgefield, SC, is David ROPER's son is NO AGREEMENT AT ALL, as this was, in my view, the speculative aspect of my post. Later, you state "John Roper's birth in South Carolina presents a number of problems for your theory that this John Roper is the same John Roper seen in the Pendleton District census of 1800." But I really didn't even go back to give a fresh look to Edgefield, SC, data precisely because whether John ROPER, of Edgefield, SC, was the SAME John ROPER found in Pendleton wasn't central to my post or my premise. My post was about whether John ROPER, of Pendleton, SC, was David ROPER's son. So the birth of John ROPER, of Edgefield, in South Carolina, presents NO IMPEDIMENT AT ALL to my premise, but simply supports an argument that this is a DIFFERENT John ROPER than that shown in the Pendleton enumeration and that John ROPER, of Edgefield, is NOT David ROPER's son. I think you have made a reasonably persuasive case that John ROPER, of Edgefield, SC, is a DIFFERENT John ROPER than the John ROPER, of Pendleton. But I FAIL TO SEE how you have made ANY CASE for this John ROPER being the son of David ROPER (b 29 Jun 1742 - VA). Most of what you posted seems to suggest OTHERWISE, so you are certainly NOT agreeing with me in such a conclusion. Your post was also almost completely UNRESPONSIVE to the case I laid out for John ROPER, of Pendleton, SC, being David ROPER's son, other than stating that you disagreed with this conclusion. You state in your post: "Second, John Roper seen in the 1800 Pendleton District census had two probable sons who were born in North Carolina. One of those sons, John Roper, is shown in the 1850 Wright County, MO census as age 62 and born in North Carolina. This means he was born about 1788 in North Carolina. David Roper of Dinwiddie, VA, to my knowledge, was never in North Carolina and was probably in Edgefield County, SC by that time." But here you are confusing David ROPER (b 29 Jun 1742 - VA) and John ROPER. We KNOW that David ROPER remained in Brunswick as late as 1788, because he appears within the Personal Property Tax lists that year. See my post: "ROPERs Shown in the 1788 Personal Property Tax Lists for Brunswick, VA" (19 Aug 2014 12:54PM) http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.roper/1939.11/mb.ashx But we also have reason to suspect that one of David ROPER's sons may have been already 21 (b bef 1763) as early as 1783 and that another son was probably then already age 16 to 18 (b abt 1763-7). See: "ROPERs Shown in the 1783 Personal Property Tax Lists for Brunswick, VA" (19 Aug 2014 12:30PM) http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.roper/1939.9/mb.ashx We KNOW that David ROPER's son Benjamin ROPER was born about 1767. We also KNOW that David ROPER's sons seemed to SETTLE ELSEWHERE after turning age 21, since they are mostly NOT SHOWN by name as taxpayers within the Brunswick Personal Property Tax Lists. It is FAR MORE LIKELY that David ROPER's other sons are clustered in the 1760s and 1770s rather than the 1780s. As far as I can tell only ONE son -- Daniel ROPER -- was born in the 1780s. So, NO, David ROPER was NOT in Edgefield, SC, in 1788. He was in Brunswick, VA, as shown in the Tax Lists. By contrast, David ROPER's son John ROPER seems NOT TO HAVE BEEN IN Briunswick in 1788 and therefore could have been ANYWHERE ELSE. But since he does NOT seem to appear in the Tax Lists, we are left with the problem that there seems to be precisely ONE obvious candidate to be this John ROPER: John ROPER, of Pendleton. You again make this same mistake in stating: "Also, James Roper, another probable son of John Roper of Pendleton District, SC, is shown in the 1850 census as age 64, born in North Carolina. This means he was born about 1786 in North Carolina. Again, to my knowledge, David Roper of Dinwiddie never was in North Carolina." But the question is NOT whether David ROPER, was in North Carolina. The question is whether John ROPER was in North Carolina previous to his arrival in Pendleton. My assertion is that John ROPER is David ROPER's son and the further suggestion is that James ROPER was John ROPER's son and David ROPER's grandson. But quite separate from the confusion between David and John, I find it incredible for you to state that there is no evidence that David ROPER, of Brunswick, VA, was ever in North Carolina. To the contrary what we KNOW at this time based upon Personal Property Tax Lists examined is that David ROPER WAS in Brunswick, VA, in 1788, but that he was NO LONGER in Brunswick by 1798. We also KNOW that there were TWO David ROPERs in Rutherford, NC, by 1791 (it seems that the 1790 Census was actaully based upon a 1791 canvass in Rutherford). We believe that one of these two David ROPERs was the Revolutionary War Veteran who later migrated to Pulaski, KY. The OTHER David ROPER -- Rev. David ROPER -- is MOST LIKELY either David ROPER (b 29 Jun 1742 - VA) or this David ROPER's SON. I had previously been more inclined to believe that Rev. David ROPER was David ROPER (b 29 Jun 1742 - VA). But I am now more inclined to believe that this was the younger David ROPER, who still may have been older than the Revolutionary War veteran. Still another possiblity is that BOTH of these David ROPERs are from Brunswick and that the Revolutionary War Veteran was living in someone else's household, possibly even that of Meredith ROPER. Whether one or the other of the David ROPER's of Brunswick is Rev. David ROPER is something that will be clearer when someone obtains and examines the 1789, 1790 and 1791 Personal Property Tax lists. The 1782, 1784, 1785 and 1786 Tax Lists for Brunswick will also help. Methodist Church archives may also be helpful in understanding the correct identity of Rev. David ROPER. I AGREE with your conclusion: "Thus, I think it is more likely that the John M. Roper of Edgefield County, SC was a much younger John Roper that the John Roper born abt 1756-66. John M. Roper is more likely to have been born about 1782 in South Carolina, the same date as the birth of his wife Sophia Clackler." Thus, I believe you have made out a very nice case that John M. ROPER, of Edgefield, SC, is a DIFFERENT John ROPER from that previously found in Pendleton, SC, and that John M. ROPER is NOT David ROPER's son. * * * You ask for some basis as to ascribing Meredith ROPER as only having a 3% chance of being John ROPER's father. The answer to that is quite easy. THERE IS SIMPLY NO EVIDENCE THAT MEREDITH ROPER HAS A SON NAMED JOHN ROPER. So the ONLY basis for such an ascription is to make the ex ante ASSUMPTION that Meredith ROPER had a son of this name and then thereafter to further conclude that Meredith ROPER's son was also the same John ROPER shown in the Pendleton enumeration. By contrast, we KNOW that David ROPER had a son named John. We KNOW that this son was still living in 1805. We have REASON TO BELIEVE that David ROPER's son would be in the age range given. We KNOW that David ROPER's son had migrated from Brunswick and is found in the company of other members of Charles ROPER's family in Rutherford. I wouldn't even give Meredith a 3% chance but for his age. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: batchelorw Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1923.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I agree that John Roper of Edgefield County, SC is the son of David Roper of Edgefield County, SC. However, I think this John Roper is a different person than the John Roper who is found in the 1800 Pendleton District, SC census. John Roper of Edgefield County, SC appears to be John M. Roper. According to secondary sources, he married Sophia Clackler, for which there is evidence. John Roper can be seen as John M. Roper and as a witness to a land transaction in 1809 in Edgefield County, SC: "1809 Jun 6 Bk(29-475 Mathew Gentry to Joshua Key for $60, all my claim by marriage to land formerly belonging to Dudley Carter, deceased, now to heirs of same, containing 150 ac adj lands of ...John Hancock... /s/Mathew Gentry Witness: Samuel Quarles, John M. Roper; ack 29 Jun 1809; rec 29 Sep 1809." John Clackler of Edgefield County, SC was the father of Sophia Clackler. John Clackler can be seen in the 1790 Edgefield County, SC census. He is also found as John Clackley in the 1810 Edgefield County, SC census, one the same page as Benjamin Roper and John Roper: 1810 Edgefield County, SC census: John Clackley 0-2-1-0-1*****0-2-1-0-1 Benjamin Roper 1-0-1-1-0*****1-0-0-1-0 John Roper 1-0-0-1-0*****1-0-1-0-0 John Clackler left a Will dated June 4, 1814 in which his daughter Sophia Roper is mentioned and in which John Roper is named as an executor (I have not seen the original of the Will, only this abstract): "Edgefield Co. SC Wills 1787-1836 p. 47, 4 June 1814: I, John Clacker, being sick & weak in body but of perfect mind & memory. I give unto my dtr. Sarah Rice one feather bed & furniture & two cows & calves which she received when she married.. I give to my dtr. Mary Garrett one feather bed & furniture & two cows & calves which she received when she married..I give to my dtr. Sophia Roper one feather bed & furniture & one cow & calf which she received when she married.. I give to my dtr. Margett Jones one feather bed and furniture which she received when she married.. I give unto my dtr. Elizabeth Butler one feather bed & furniture which she received when she married.. I give unto my son Solomon Clacker one bay mare which he now has.. I give unto my sons and dtrs. Jacob, John, Rebeecah & Martha Clacker each one feather bed & furniture when they come of age or marriage and my executors is to take charge of any minor children and their property.. I give to my wife Mary Clacker all my personal property that may remain after my decease and the children have received what was willed to them during her natural life & then to be equally divided among all my children or their heirs, I also give to Solomon, Jacob, and John.. I desire that the tract of land lying in the pine woods to be sold and the money equally divided amongst, Sarah Reice, Mary Garrett, Sophia Rober, Margarett Jones, Elizabeth Butler, Rebecca & Martha Clacker.. I appoint John Butler, John Roper as executors... Signed: John X Clacker Exrs.: John Butler, John Roper Wit: Joshua Key, David Rober, John Howard Written 4 June 1814, Proved 14 Aug. 1820". David Rober is probably the Rev David Roper who married Sally Stell and is probably the brother of John Roper. John Roper makes one last appearance as a witness to a deed, and shown in an abstract in the L. David Roper database: "Hollingsworth Genealogical Card File: John M. Roper wit. deed Edgefield Co. SC 1816 by Sarah Smith et al. to Thomas I. Shaw." I cannot find John M. Roper after 1816. I cannot find either John Roper or Sophia Roper in any 1820 census. Ancestry.com has nothing and after looking at all the images of the 1820 Edgefield County, SC census at USGWArchives, I can find only the following Roper's listed: Joel Roper 1-2-0-0-1-0*****1-0-1-0-0 Benjamin Roper Sen. 0-1-0-0-1-0*****0-0-0-0-0 Rececca Roper 3-0-0-1-0-0*****1-0-0-1-0 Elizabeth Roper 2-0-0-0-0-0*****1-0-0-1-0 Sophia Roper does appear in the 1830 Edgefield County, SC census on page 118 of the images of Ancestry.com: Sophia Roper 0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0*****0-0-2-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0 Sophia is shown as age 40-49, giving her a birth between1781-1790. There is one male 16-25, and two females age 10-14. On the following page 119, one can find the following living about 4 homes apart: John Clackler 0-0-0-0-2-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0*****0-0-0-0-0-1-0-0-1-0-0-0-0 Green Roper 1-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0*****1-0-0-0-2-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0 John Clackler is one of the males 20-29. He is probably a brother of Sophia. Green Roper is shown as age 20-29. There are two females in the household age 20-29. There in one male <5 and one female <5. Green Roper would not appear to be a son of John and Sophia. Green Roper would have been born 1801-1810. There is only one son of John and Sophia that is <10 in the 1810 census, and, as can be seen later in this article, John and Sophia had a son named Freeman Roper who was born in 1809. However, if Freeman's birth date is off a couple of years, Green Roper might be that son shown in the 1810 census. Sophia Roper next appears as Sopha Roper in the 1840 Edgefield County, SC census on page 55 of Ancestry.com: Sopha Roper 0-0-0-0-0-1-0-0-1-0-0-0-0*****0-0-0-0-2-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0 Sophia is shown as age 50-59. There is one male 60-69. There is one male 30-29 and two females 20-29. On the same census page 55, the following are found: Hartwell Roper 0-0-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-1-0-0-0*****0-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0 Joel Roper, Jr 1-0-1-1-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0*****2-1-1-1-2-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0 Hartwell Roper appears to actually be Freeman Hartwell Roper. Freeman Roper went by F. H. Roper in his 1880 Edgefield County, SC census. On the preceding census page 53, George Roper can be found: George Roper 1-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0*****1-0-1-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0 Sophia Roper can next be seen in the 1850 Edgefield County, SC census on page 163, living in the household of Freeman Roper: Freeman Roper 41M SC Charlsey Roper 26F SC John Roper 6M SC Charles Roper 4M SC Thomas Roper 2M SC Margaret Roper 0F SC Sophia Roper 68F SC Martha A. Roper 24 SC As can be seen, Sophia is shown as age 68, which would make her born in 1782. She is residing in the home of her son Freeman Roper. I cannot find a record for Sophia Roper after the 1850 census. Freeman Roper appears in the 1880 Edgefield County, SC census as F.H. Roper. He states that both his parents were born South Carolina. John Roper's birth in South Carolina presents a number of problems for your theory that this John Roper is the same John Roper seen in the Pendleton District census of 1800. First, the John Roper seen in the 1800 Pendleton District, SC census was likely born between 1756-66. To my knowledge, David Roper, b. June 29, 1742, VA, had not left Virginia before 1766 and does not appear in South Carolina until a much later date after he sold his land in Brunswick County, VA shortly before 1790. Second, John Roper seen in the 1800 Pendleton District census had two probable sons who were born in North Carolina. One of those sons, John Roper, is shown in the 1850 Wright County, MO census as age 62 and born in North Carolina. This means he was born about 1788 in North Carolina. David Roper of Dinwiddie, VA, to my knowledge, was never in North Carolina and was probably in Edgefield County, SC by that time. Also, James Roper, another probable son of John Roper of Pendleton District, SC, is shown in the 1850 census as age 64, born in North Carolina. This means he was born about 1786 in North Carolina. Again, to my knowledge, David Roper of Dinwiddie never was in North Carolina. One other probable son of John Roper of Pendleton District, SC was the Rev. David Roper. His memorial states that he was born on June 8, 1792 in South Carolina. But this would be about the time that John Roper of Pendleton District would have moved from North Carolina to South Carolina. Thus, I think it is more likely that the John M. Roper of Edgefield County, SC was a much younger John Roper that the John Roper born abt 1756-66. John M. Roper is more likely to have been born about 1782 in South Carolina, the same date as the birth of his wife Sophia Clackler. A minor supporting fact for a younger John Roper is the choice by John Clackler in his Will of 1814 to nominate John Roper as an executor of his Will. Most people late in life who make out their Will pick younger sons or son-in-laws to be the Executors of their Wills. If John Roper was born about 1755-66, he would have been 48 years of age. Also, if John Roper had sons and daughters from a previous marriage in Pendleton District, SC, those sons and daughters would have a claim against John Roper's estate, which would create a problem for John Clackler in guaranteeing that his property was inherited only by John Clackler's grandchildren. Also, I suspect that John Roper of Pendleton District, SC was a son of Meredith Roper. Bill, why do you only give that a 3% probability? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: fscangie Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1923.1.1.4.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I wish I could remember where I first read about the late SC census-perhaps in one of the NARA publications like Prologue. It was only after I realized the dates that I could make sense of a few families I study. I guess it's important to check nearly all the extant 1790 enumerations for the dates: At http://www.census.gov/history/ I just found this intriguing note in the side bar: "This Month in U.S. Census Bureau History "The first U.S. Census began on August 2, 1790, and was to be completed by April 1791. The total population of each state was to be transmitted to the president by September 1, 1791. Subsequent legislation allowed for the enumeration of the new state of Vermont between April and August 1791 and extended the time for completion of enumeration in South Carolina to March 1, 1792. At its conclusion, the 1790 Census recorded a total population of 3,929,214" Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1923.1.1.4.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I had little doubt that you, in fact, had a page that said the seventeenth, though I did not take the time to seek to examine every image to look for it. Interestingly, in surveying the 1790 Census data from some other places, it appears to me that the delay in getting the Census done was hardly confined to Pendleton, but seems to have instead been a more generalized problem in some other places in at least both North Carolina and South Carolina. I could not afford the time to try to ascertain the full dimensions of the problem, in either place, which is made harder to ascertain because very often one deputy marshal seems to have enumerated and then certified multiple counties in a geographic area, with the certification coming at the end of the last county included. How many counties were assigned to a deputy and the order in which he completed the enumeration seems to have been uneven. Thus, sometimes the certification for several counties appears unexpectedly at the last page of the last county in the group, which isn't intuitively identifable. No doubt with the first nationally mandated Census enumeration in 1790 the mechanics of organizing and conducting the survey was especially novel, making implementation challenging. In places at the frontier, like Pendleton, the challenge was no doubt greater due in no small part to the existence of less formal and robust governing mechanisms.. Your suggestion to examine the certification ought to create a more generalized rule to do so across most if not ALL counties in 1790. Examination of the date of the certification, when convenient and possible probably should be done in other years as well. Of course, things got a little easier much later when the date of each enumeration was formally shown at the top of each page. Thanks again for pointing this out. I have overlooked this issue in previous posting despite some effort to identify the date of a canvass when it appeared on the same page and seemed to be possibly significant. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: fscangie Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1923.1.1.4.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: We're both right! I no longer have an ancestry.com subscription, so cannot post their link to the page I had. However, I have located a link to the usgenweb census image: http://www.usgwarchives.net/sc/census/1790/004a.gif This page from which I transcribed REALLY does say "this Seventeenth Day of May..." but I think the ancestry.com version has the header info cropped out, if I remember correctly. The starting image for the enumeration is clearer to me than is the last page of same. I think the page you viewed was the equivalent of this one: http://www.usgwarchives.net/sc/census/1790/016-recap.gif which indeed does say "20th day of May" and does, as you say, indicate further specifics of the conduct of the census. Sorry I couldn't respond earlier - ancestry.com was down in my area and I couldn't read my own posting or your response until now. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1940/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The death register of N. Gray & Co., a San Franscisco undertaker, reflect the interment of a J. ROPER, shown to have died (or been interred on 20 Oct 1862). This J. ROPER is shown to have been age 47 and to have been a native of Virginia. Does anyone know where this J. ROPER fits into the ROPER family? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>