This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Roziar, Rosier, Rosher, Raper Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/741 Message Board Post: Amongst the earliest settlers of Pickens, SC, there appears a Reuben ROPER. He appears in a single Census enumeration in 1830: Reuben ROPER: 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- No Slaves He does NOT appear there agein in 1840, but there is a Reuben ROPER in Forsyth, GA: Reuben ROPER: 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- No Slaves The former record shows two males in the household. The elder male is age 70 to 79 (b abt 1751-60), while the younger male is age 20 to 29 (b abt 1801-10). The latter record in 1840 shows two older males in the 30 to 39 (b abt 1801-1810) and 40 to 40 (b abt 1791-1800), but the elderly male is clearly no longer in the household. Pioneer History of Forsyth Co. GA, at p.70: Military units and commissions: Shows Reuben Roper 12 Dec 1833 795th Reg There appears to be a record in the Georgia State Archives showing a commission of a Reuben ROPER as an Ensign for Forsyth County on 22 Aug 1836. (M.R. 1829-41, p.116). This sounds like something a younger man might receive. That a younger Reuben ROPER actually pulled out of Pickens is equally clear from this deed record: Reuben Roper to Lewis Fendley, Book C-1, p 141, 1835-1836, 160 acres Woolenoy Also in Pioneer History of Forsyth Co. GA at p.137: 28 Feb 1840 Friendship Baptist Church established...eleven who constituted this historic old church are:...Reuben Roper Reuben ROPER married Malinda A. STEPHENS on 27 Dec 1849, at Habersham County, GA. But this seems very clearly to be the same Reuben ROPER (b abt 1830 - SC), age 30, shown to be residing in Militia District 2, Banks County, GA, in 1860, with wife Malinda ROPER, age 37, and daughter Ollie ROPER, age 10. The wife and child are shown to both be born in Georgia. In 1850, Reuben ROPER, age 20, and M. ROPER, age 28, are shown to be living in District 38, Hall County, George, however, the Index entry shows this as "Reuben RAPER". There were no children in this household in 1850. A Reuben ROPER married Ann LEWIS on 18 March 1852 at St. Louis, MO. [Volume 05 / Page 488] These records make it at least quite plausible that the Reuben ROPER shown in Pickens County in 1830 was the younger man in the Census record and that the older man was someone else. Another clue that members of this ROPER family went to Forsyth County is the appearance there of a John ROPER who seems to have resided very near Reuben ROPER in Pickens. See my Post "1850 Census Record for John ROPER (b abt 1791 - SC), of Forsyth, GA" (23 Jan 2005 8:34 AM GMT) at http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p=surnames.roper&m=739 for more details. * While it is most likely that the senior male is the head of household Reuben ROPER, it is also possible that the younger man is this Reuben ROPER and that the older man is a guest in the household, possibly the father or the grandfather. It seems most likely that the younger man would be shown as the head of household only in the instance that he owned the property where these ROPERs reside. It seems clear from the deed record from 1835-6 that this land was owned by a Reuben ROPER, but it is less clear whether this was the older or younger man. One clue would be the record of HOW and WHEN this tract came into the ownership of Reuben ROPER. * It is NOT readily apparent who this Reuben ROPER is nor where he fits into the ROPER genealogy. He is probably much EASIER to explain if the younger man is Reuben ROPER, as then otherwise unidentified older man could be ANY ROPER b abt 1751-60. If the OLDER male is Reuben ROPER, this presents the challenge of finding ANY OTHER traces of such a Reuben ROPER during the previous decades. It hardly seems possible that he could have lived to the age range of 70 to 79 without leaving some footprints in various official records. This Post is intended to present some of the evidence and to evaluate each possibility: (a) that Reuben ROPER was age 70 to 79 (b abt 1751-60), (b) that Reuben ROPER is is age 20 to 29 (b abt 1801-10) and that there is another older male age 70 to 79 residing in his household. * First, considering the possibility that Reuben ROPER was the elder male in the household, we have quite a challenge. I have been UNABLE to locate a SINGLE record showing ANY prior appearance of a Reuben ROPER anywhere in America prior to 1830. * Now let us consider the possibility that Reuben ROPER is the younger male and that the older male is another ROPER of a prior generation. Lets look at the possiblities most readily presented to us based upon the Census enumerations within the Pendleton District from 1790 through 1821. In 1790, these ROPERs and RAPERs are shown in the United States Census for Pendleton, SC: John ROPER: 1 - 3 -- 2 -- 0 - 0 [Capt. James HAMILTON's list or regiment, at Image 2 of 11] Thomas RAPER: 1 - 4 -- 3 -- 0 - 0 [Capt William McCaleb's list or regiment, at Image 3 of 11] The first figure is in each record is the number of males 16 and over. John ROPER and Thomas RAPER each seem to have been born before 1785. Though they each seem to have male sons under age ten, all of these would have been born AFTER 1780 and therefor could NOT be the older male. Nor could any of these clildren be a YOUNGER Reuben ROPER (b abt 1801-10). Here is the data for Pendleton District, SC, in 1800: Col. Brown's Regiment, Pendleton John ROPER: 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [at household 248, Page 5, Image 11 of 125] Joseph ROPER: 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [at household 281, Page 6, Image 12 of 125] Charles ROPER: 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 4 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [at household 364, Page 7, Image 15 of 125] Benjamin ROPER: 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [at household 395, Page 8, Image 16 of 125] Joshua ROPER: 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [at household 404, Page 8, Image 17 of 125] Merriday ROPER: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 [at household 408, Page 8, Image 17 of 125] Gilham ROPER: 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [at household 410, Page 8, Image 17 of 125] Col. Kilpatrick, Regiment 2, Pendleton Thomas RAPER: 3 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 [at household 201, Page 21, Image 47 of 125] William RAPER: 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 1 - 1 [at household 246, Page 22, Image 49 of 125] John RAPER: 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [at household 248, Page 22, Image 49 of 125] For those unfamiliar with the 1800 Census enumeration, the figures show: Males Under age 10, Males age 10 to 15, Males age 16 to 25, Males age 26 to 44 and Males 45 or more; followed by the same age breakdowns for females and finally a count of Free Coloreds and Slaves. Those in the age category 45 or more would have been born BEFORE 1756. If the older male was living in the household of a younger Reuben ROPER and was a ROPER living in Pendleton in 1800, then to be corn abt 1751-60 he would have had to have been in either the 26 to 44 or the 45 or more age category. That would reduce the universe of candidates living in Pendleton in 1800 to these: Col. Brown's Regiment, Pendleton John ROPER: 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [at household 248, Page 5, Image 11 of 125] Charles ROPER: 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 4 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [at household 364, Page 7, Image 15 of 125] Benjamin ROPER: 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [at household 395, Page 8, Image 16 of 125] Merriday ROPER: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 [at household 408, Page 8, Image 17 of 125] Col. Kilpatrick, Regiment 2, Pendleton Thomas RAPER: 3 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 [at household 201, Page 21, Image 47 of 125] Of course, the older man might NOT have been residing in Pendleton in 1800 AND it is also true that he might not have even been a ROPER at all. These could have also been older parents or grandparents of the wife. [For additional discussion and details for Pendleton for the 1790 and 1800 Census enumerations, please see my Post "ROPER and RAPERs in Pendleton, SC, in 1790 and 1800" at http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p=surnames.roper&m=568 .] Here are the ROPER households enumerated in Pendleton District in 1810: William ROPER: 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 6 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Page Imprinted 145; Film Frame 233, Image 12 of 52 for Pendleton, 1810] Benjamin ROPER: 4 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 3 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Page Hand Numbered 147A; Film Frame 238, Image 17 of 52 for Pendleton, 1810] Elizabeth ROPER: 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Page Imprinted 148; Film Frame 239, Image 18 of 52 for Pendleton, 1810] Joshua ROPER: 3 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Page Hand Numbered 148A; Film Frame 240, Image 19 of 52 for Pendleton, 1810] Abs ROPER: 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Page Hand Numbered 149; Film Frame 242, Image 21 of 52 for Pendleton, 1810] Charles ROPER: 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 [Page Hand Numbered 149; Film Frame 242, Image 21 of 52 for Pendleton, 1810] John ROPER, Joseph ROPER, Merriday ROPER, Gilham ROPER and Thomas ROPER are all missing from the Pendleton enumeration in 1810. The fifth column gives the number of males of 45 or more again, which in 1810 would imply that those tallied in this column were born before 1766. So ANY of these showing at least one male age 45 or more could yield the older male in the Reuben ROPER household: Charles ROPER: 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 [Page Hand Numbered 149; Film Frame 242, Image 21 of 52 for Pendleton, 1810] Whoops, now Charles ROPER would seem to be the ONLY candidate. (I will show in another future Post why it CANNOT be this Charles ROPER.) It seems UNLIKELY that the older male in the household of Reuben ROPER was residing in the Pendleton District in 1810. At least if he WAS, he must have been living in a non-ROPER household. * Here are the ROPER households from the 1820 Census enumeration: Benjamin ROPER: 2 - 0 - 1 - 3 - 0 - 1 -- 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 5 [Page 181, Image 19 of 98] Charles ROPER: 0 - 0 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 -- 1 [Page 203, Image 46 of 98] (as previously noted above) Aaron ROPER: 2 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 3 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 3 [Page 203, Image 46 of 98] Joshua ROPER: 4 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 -- 2 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 -- 5 [Page 213, Image 66 of 98] We can eliminate Aaron ROPER and Joshua ROPER out of hand as the eldest male in each household wasn't yet age 45 or more in 1820 (b bef 1776). But consider that there was a Benjamin ROPER shown in the Census in Pendleton in BOTH 1800 and 1810. In each instance the eldest male in the household was age 26 to 44. Even if Benjamin ROPER was age 44 in 1810, then he was born 1766. And he would have been only 54 in 1820 and 64 in 1830. So Benjamin is NOT going to have been old enough to have been age 70 to 79 in 1830. This seems to leave only Charles ROPER amongst the possible candidates ROPERs aready residing in Pendleton, SC, in 1820. Charles ROPER DOES have two males age 18 to 25 residing in his household in 1820. So one of these COULD HAVE BEEN a younger Reuben ROPER. Here, I will leave the reader dangling for the present, with only the caution that I do NOT believe that Charles ROPER was residing in Reuben ROPER's household in 1830. I believe that this Charles ROPER was already dead by 1830 and that his widow was living elsewhere. * So if there the elder male in the household of Reuben ROPER was OTHER THAN Reuben ROPER himself, he almost surely must have been residing elsewhere in 1820. One candidate is Reuben ROZIER, who is enumerated in the U.S. Census in 1790, residing in Robeson County, NC. Here the 1790 Census records of the ROZIERs of Robeson, NC: John ROZIER: 1 - 0 -- 2 -- 0 - 0 Briton ROZIER: 1 - 1 -- 3 -- 0 - 0 Rueben ROZIER Jr.: 1 - 2 -- 2 -- 0 - 0 Rueben ROZIER Sr.: 2 - 1 -- 3 -- 0 - 0 [Images 2 and 8 of 10 at the Ancestry.com presentation of the 1790 Census data for this jurisdiction.] (Please NOTE that the name is spelled "Rueben" rather than "Reuben" in both the 1790 enumeration and the Index to that enumeration.) So here we find two Reuben ROZIERs, each of whom was age 16 or more and born prior to 1775. * In 1800, one Reuben ROZIAR is shown to reside in Fayetteville, Robeson County, NC, in the 1800 U.S. Census. Also in Robeson County are a Mary ROZIAR and a David ROZIAR. The Robeson County Census list is alphabetic rather than by proximity, so no inferences can be reasonably drawn from the Census as to whether these were closely clustered geographically, though each appears to have resided in or near Fayetteville. Here are their 1800 Census records: Reuben ROZIAR: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 1 David ROZIAR: 3 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 Mary ROZIAR: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 * Patience ROZIAR: 3 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Images 60, 61 of 77 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1800 Census data for this jurisdiction.] Please note that I am NOT asserting that these are ROPERs, but rather presenting and exploring POSSIBILITIES. This Reuben ROZIAR is shown to be age 45 or more in 1800, putting his year of birth as BEFORE 1756. David ROZIAR is shown to be age 36 to 44 in 1800 (b abt 1756-1764). Secondary sources researching the ROZIER family history tell us that the younger Reuben ROZIER was married to a Patience MUSSELWHITE. They were said to have married in Robeson County, NC, in 1785. That secondary source shows Reuben ROZIER Jr. dying abt 24 Aug 1798 in Robeson, NC. I believe that there is an extant Will dated that date. This appears to be reasonably consistent with the subsequent appearance of a Patience ROZIAR in the 1800 Census enumeration. Secondary sources tell us that the elder Reuben ROZIER had these children: Reuben ROZIER, Jr., Elizabeth ROZIER, Rebecca ROZIER, Briton ROZIER, David ROZIER, and John ROZIER. * In 1810, the elder Reuben ROZIAR appears likely to be the individual enumerated in Robeson County, NC, as "Ruben ROSHER": Ruben ROSHER: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 He and his wife are both shown to be age 45 or more. ROZIER family historians tell us that Reuben ROZIER was born abt 1742 in Bladen, NC. Remarkably, Britton ROSIER appears in the 1810 Census, enumerated in PENDLETON, SOUTH CAROLINA! Here is HIS 1810 Census record: Britton ROSIER: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 [Image 29 of 50 at the Ancestry.com presentation of the 1810 Census data for this jurisdiction.] Britton ROSIER is enumerated in Pendleton adjacent to Daniel GOODWYN. * In 1820, I suspect that Reuben ROSIER/ROZIER may have been enumerated with son or grandson David ROSHER in Robeson County, NC: David ROSHER: 2 - 4 - 0 - 3 - 0 - 1 -- 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 5 [Image 21 of 43 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1820 Census data for this jurisdiction] Willey or Wiley ROSHER is also shown in the 1820 Census in Robeson County: Willey ROSHER: 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 [Image 37 of 43 at the Ancestry.com presentation of the 1820 Census data for this jurisdiction.] * As an aside, there is a Mashach ROSHER [Meshach ROSIER/ROZIER] in the Clarendon, Sumter District, South Carolina, Census enumeration for 1800. He seems to be age 26 to 44 (b abt 1756-74). In 1810, this individual seems to be shown as Meshel ROSHER, enumerated in the same place. In 1820 Mish. [probably Meshach] ROSIER, age 45 or more, may be found in Sumter County, SC. I am inclined to believe that this is the Meshach ROSIER/ROZIER named in the Will of David ROZAR from 1760. The Abstract entry I found for this Will says that the others named include Ann (wife), John, David, Shadrack, Sarah and Mashack. * It also probably bears mention that in Division 89, Pulaski County, Georgia, there appear several interesting ROSAR or ROSIER families living in close proximity. These included HHs William ROSAR, age 27, Simeon ROSAR, age 24, Shedrick ROSIER, age 43, John RASIER, age 52, and John L. B. RASIER, age 21. Almost everyone in these families spells the name somewhat differently, but between all of the households, they have MANY variations covered. AMongst the children of the eldest, John RASIER, are Reuben RASIER, age 24, and Seabron [Seaborne?] RASIER, age 10, the latter suggestive that this family perhaps remembers its Colonial Maryland roots. * * * It may be that the sudden appearance of a Reuben ROPER in 1830 simply reflected the emergeance of Old Testament Biblical names within the ROPER family as a consequence of the Bible study of its Methodist and Baptist ministers. Alternatively, a ROSIER/ROZIER may have moved to Pendleton in the midst of a throng of ROPERs and suddenly recovered the ROPER name. In any case, it seems likely that the younger man in the household may have been a Reuben ROPER, too. If the elder man was named Reuben, it seems most likely that this was Reuben ROSIER/ROZIER following his son to Pendleton. If the elder man was NOT Reuben, then it seems most likely that this was either (a) an older ROPER newly arriving in Pendleton from elsewhere, probably from North Carolina, or (b) an older releative of the wife also living in the household of a younger Reuben ROPER. * * * We need to very carefully check the land records and probate records in Robeson, NC, Pickens, SC, and Forsyth, GA, to see whether there are clues which could help us resolve the mystery. We also need to carefully look at the other 1820 Census records for Northc Carolina and Virginia to see whether we can find another candidate for an older ROPER who might have moved to Pickens County before 1830. The land records might give us the best clue as to his precise DATE of arrival.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Edwards, Perdue Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/740 Message Board Post: Looking for information on my GG G/M Caroline M. Roper Edwards. I can't find anything on her parents or further. She married William H.C. Edwards, from Lee County, on 15 Dec 1848, marriage certificate issued in Macon County, AL. William H. C. Edwards parents were James Young Edwards and Mary Perdue, they were living in Lee County, Alabama. I would appreciate any help in this. Perry Edwards

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Rosier, Rozier, Roziar Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/739.1 Message Board Post: In my Post, I mentioned the presence of a Reuben ROPER in the 1830 Census enumerated in Pickens, SC. This Reuben ROPER (or someone else residing in his household) is shown to be age 70 to 79. I erroneously imputed his year of birth as abt 1761-70. The CORRECT figure should be 1751-1760.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Byrum, Stephens Classification: Census Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/739 Message Board Post: United States Census -- 1850 District 31, Forsyth County, Georgia (Page Imprinted "177") 28 Aug 1850 Line 33, Dwelling 457, Family 457, John ROPER, age 59, Male, Farmer, RE $400, Born SC Line 34, Dwelling 457, Family 457, Tabitha ROPER, age 40, Female, Born SC Line 35, Dwelling 457, Family 457, Mitilda ROPER, age 16, Female, Born SC Line 36, Dwelling 457, Family 457, James H. ROPER, age 13, Male, Born SC Line 37, Dwelling 457, Family 457, Peter ROPER, age 12, Male, Born GA Line 38, Dwelling 457, Family 457, Nancy ROPER, age 10, Female, Born GA Line 39, Dwelling 457, Family 457, Elizabeth ROPER, age 8, Female, Born GA Line 40, Dwelling 457, Family 457, Charly ROPER, age 6, Male, Born GA Line 41, Dwelling 457, Family 457, Alfred ROPER, age 4, Male, Born GA Line 42, Dwelling 457, Family 457, William ROPER, age 3/12, Male, Born GA [Image 65 of 189 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1850 Census data for this jursidiction] NOTE 1: From the ages and places of birth of the children shown in the enumeration above we may infer that John ROPER first settled in Forsyth, GA, aout 1837 to 1838. This John ROPER family seemed to reside in South Carolina immediately prior to that. Whether John ROPER was actually born in SC, though is questionable. His 1860 Census record says he was born in North Carolina. NOTE 2: This John ROPER was enumerated in Forsyth County, GA, in the 1840 Census. His record indicated: John ROPER: 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- No Slaves John ROPER appears to be age 40 to 49 in 1840 while his wife seems to have been age 30 to 39. There are 2 males under age 5 (b 1836-40), 1 male child age 5 to 9 (b 1831-35), 1 female child under age 5 (b 1836-40), and 2 female children age 5 to 9 (b 1831-35). Unfortunately, since ALL of the children are under age ten, we cannot be assured that John ROPER had his own separate household in 1830, nor can we be certain that he was living in South Carolina at the date of the 1830 Census enumeration, though this seems most likely. NOTE 3: It APPEARS that John ROPER WAS separately enumerated in the Census in 1830 and that his Census record is that shown in Pickens, SC, with this data: John ROPER: 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- No Slaves This John ROPER is enumerated adjacent to Peter BYRUM and Reuben ROPER. Secondary sources tell us that this John ROPER's wife was Tabitha BYRUM, so this is almost surely the CORRECT record. By contrast, the following additional John ROPERs appear in South Carolina in 1830: John H. ROPER (Pickens, SC): 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- No Slaves John ROPER (Marion, SC): 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- No Slaves John ROPER Sr. (Marion, SC): 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- No Slaves The first two of these alternative records is arguably as likely a choice as the record indicated EXCEPT for the adjacency of the record of Peter BYRUM in the first instance. The latter record seems rather clear to NOT be the one. The Marion Census records for 1830 are arranged alphabetically rather than by proximity, but the respective ages and proximity in the SAME county makes it appear likely that John ROPER Sr. of Marion is the father of the younger John ROPER, of Marion. Also, note the presence of the older women in the household of the second John ROPER, of Pickens. This would appear likely to be either this John ROPER's widowed mother or the widowed mother of his wife. Another indication that this is the CORRECT John ROPER is that the OTHER John ROPER of Pickens appears lielky to have hoved to Lumpkin, GA, wher ehis 1840 Census record shows: John H. ROPER (Pickens, SC): 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 2 - 3 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- No Slaves NOTE 4: Yet another clue that the John ROPER Census record identified above in Pickens is the CORRECT record is the appearance of a Reuben ROPER in the 1840 Census enumeration for Forsyth County, GA. And this is the ONLY Reuben ROPER shown in the 1840 Census in the United States! NOTE 5: The adjacency and the migration of Reuben ROPER affords us one additional particularly compelling clue regarding the identity of the father of John ROPER, of Forsyth, GA. That is the fact that there is very clearly a much older man residing in the household of Reuben ROPER in 1830, who is no longer present in 1840. COnsider these Census records: Reuben ROPER (Pickens, SC): 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- No Slaves [1830] Reuben ROPER (Forsyth, GA): 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- No Slaves [1840] NOTE THAT THE ELDEST MALE IN REUBEN ROPER's HH IS AGE 70 TO 79 YEARS OLD IN 1830. THE ELDEST FEMALE IN THIS HH IS THE SAME AGE. Either the Head of this household is Reuben ROPER (b 1761-70) OR Reuben ROPER is the younger man age 20 to 29 (b abt 1811-20) and his retired father is also living in this household! The elder man in the Reuben ROPER HH in Pickens in 1830 seems almost durely to be the FATHER of John ROPER, of Forsyth, GA. The younger man seems surely to be the Reuben ROPER who married Malinda A. STEPHENS on 27 Dec 1849 at Habersham County, GA. It is also hardly surprising then that a child named Reuben ROPER, presumably named for his uncle, appears in John ROPER's Forsyth household in the 1860 Census enumeration.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/kgDBAEB/667.1.1.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Francis McDermott was also one of the witnesses at the marriage of Hugh Campbell and Winifred ROPER. They were married at St. Patrick's Church on Camp Street in New Orleans.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: McDermot, McDermott Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/667.1.1.1.1.2 Message Board Post: The Baptismal sponsor Francis MCDERMOTT may have been the Frank MCDERMOT, age 28, born Ireland, enumerated in the 1860 U.S. Census residing in New Orleans' Ward 3. The value of this information, though, is unclear.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Dougherty, Green, Heandler Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/667.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: There is precisely ONE Mary ROPERS [sic], who was born in Ireland, shown in the United States Census residing in New Orleans in 1860. She is living in the household and would appear to be the wife of Charles ROPER, who was himself born in England. Here is the CEnsus record for that household: United States Census -- 1860 New Orleans Ward 5, Orleans Parish, Louisiana 06 Jun 1860 Line 28, Dwelling 114, Family 108, Charles ROPERS, age 34, Male, Ingineer, Born England Line 29, Dwelling 114, Family 108, Mary ROPERS, age 35, Female, Born Ireland Line 30, Dwelling 114, Family 108, Bridgett GREEN, age 18, Female, Servant, Born Ireland Line 31, Dwelling 114, Family 108, May GREEN, age 8, Female, Born Ireland Line 32, Dwelling 114, Family 108, John GREEN, age 5, Male, Born New Orleans Line 33, Dwelling 114, Family 108, P. HEANDLER, age 34, Male, Steamboatman, Born America Line 34, Dwelling 114, Family 108, Bridgitt HEANDLER, age 35, Female, Born Ireland [Image 18 of 390 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1860 Census data for this jurisdiction] This MIGHT be the couple -- Charles ROPER and Mary Dougherty ROPER -- shown to be the parents of Charels ROPER (b 03 Jul 1863 - New Orleans, LA). It is unclear whether this is the Mary ROPER who was the Baptismal sponsor of Mary Alice CAMPBELL, but it might have been. ... Another family to scutinize more closely. * Alterantively, there was a Mary Ann ROPER, age 6, living in the household of O. ROPER, age 35, and Hannah ROPER, age 35, in the 1850 Census enumeration. Though Mary Ann ROPER was born in LA, her parents were each born in Ireland. And there was also a Mary ROPER, age 20, who was born in Ireland, residing in the household of John ROPER, age 40, who was himself born in Ireland, at the date of the 1850 Census enumeration. Also in this household are Ann ROPER, age 9, born Ireland, Owen ROPER, age 7, born Ireland, Daniel ROPER, age 3, born LA, and James ROPER, age 26, born Ireland. The sequence of the records is suggestive that James and Mary may be a younger brother and sister, or perhaps cousins, nephew and/or niece, of John ROPER rather than his children. The places of birth are suggestive that John ROPER came to Louisiana between 1843 and 1857. * In 1870, there is a Mary ROPER, age 50, born Ireland, living in New Orleans Ward 5, with presumably her son, John ROPER, age 11, born LA.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/kgDBAEB/667.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: The baptism of MARY ALICE CAMPBELL was performed at St. Joseph's Church, New Orleans, on 8 February 1860. The sponsors were MARY ROPER and Francis McDermott. I also have copies of baptism certificates for Rebecca Campbell and Patrick Campbell, both children of Hugh and Winifred Roper Campbell. They were also baptised at St. Jospeh's Church, New Orleans. No mention of Ropers on either certificate. I have been unable to get baptism certificates on the other Campbell children.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Ropers Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/kgDBAEB/510.1.1.1.1.3 Message Board Post: Please contact me. I really want to hear your story!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Campbell Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/667.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Which child was sponsored by Mary ROPER? When did this Baptism take place and WHERE? While Mary ROPER is a fairly common name, there were only several ROPER famliies of Irish origin in New Orleans. Perhaps we can at least identify the BEST candidate as the CAMPBELL child's godmother. Also, do you know the names of OTHER sponsors (Godparents) of the CAMPBELL children? Perhaps there is some tidbit of information there that might give us some additional traction. For example, there might be a Godparent who is also a female ROPER married to another. I have sometimes found it to be very helpful to study the names of persons appearing adjacent to ROPERs or involved in transactions with ROPERs to gain further insight into a particular family. For example, I have found YATES coinciding with ROPERs over a period in excess of two hundred years from England through Virginia, Maryland and North Carolina. * Bear in mind that the accessibility of information regarding genealogy continues to improve. I believe that the resources readily available to Irish genealogists will improve considerably within the next year or two. At some point, I think some helpful information will emerge and it will prove to be helpful to have this specific information readily available to other researchers!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/kgDBAEB/667.3.1 Message Board Post: Yes, this is my Hugh Campbell. I already have his death certificate and that of his wife, Winifred Roper. Neither indicates the names of parents and place and date of birth. Hugh Campbell's obituary in the newspaper in New Orleans only gives his date of death and age at death. No other information. There is no obituary for Winifred Roper Campbell.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Campbell Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/kgDBAEB/667.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank you for trying to piece together the family of Winifred Roper and Hugh Campbell. From census records I have deduced that Winifred Roper was born around 1840 and that she was born in Ireland. From census records I have also deduced that Hugh Campbell was born about 1830, also in Ireland, and that he came to the U. S. in about 1850. I have been unable to find out where or when exactly, who his parents were or when he was born. I have tons of information on the children of Winifred Roper and Hugh Campbell. All were born and reared in New Orleans. Here's what I know: Rebecca Campbell, born 26 December 1858, married Henry R. Ducastaing 9 July 1906, died 13 March 1933, in New Orleans Mary Alice Campbell, born 1 December 1860, married William McCloskey 27 January 1880, died 21 July 1933, in New Orleans Elizabeth Campbell, born 16 July 1861 (cannot find anything else on her marriage and/or death) Winifred Campbell, born 7 March 1864, married Robert Simpson 4 May 1880, and died 24 January 1893 in New Orleans Isabella Campbell, born July 1868, married Richard Deane (no marriage certificate), died 12 February 1893 in New Orleans. She also had a child with George Smith. Irene Campbell, born 13 March 1870, married John J. Bonneval about 1886, died 26 June 1891 in New Orleans. Hugh Campbell, Jr., born 23 March 1872, died 25 April 1899. Patrick Campbell, born 1 March 1874, married Ellen "Nellie" Farrell 21 February 1900, died 27 December 1912 in New Orleans Jennie Campbell, born October 1878, married Charles Grunberg 26 November 1899, died in New Orleans on 4 October 1908 William J. Campbell, born October 1880, married 27 May 1901 to Florence Fresch, died 4 October 1931 I have copies of the 1860, 1870, 1880 census records. I have searched the 1850 census records for Hugh and for Winifred, but the 1850 information is very limited. I have plenty of information on their children and grandchildren. The only Roper mention is in the baptismal certificate for one of the Campbell kids. Mary Roper is the sponsor. If you can think of anything I might have missed, please let me know.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/kgDBAEB/499.1.2 Message Board Post: Phillip Bullifant was the son of Francis and Elizabeth Nance Bullifant. You can contact me at sidcarol at escapees.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/449.2.2.1 Message Board Post: What is the basis of your belief that Gideon ROPER was the son of Joshua ROPER? And who do YOU identify as Joshua ROPER's father?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Campbell, Roper Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/667.3 Message Board Post: I located a death record for a Hugh CAMPBELL (d 21 Jan 1891 - New Orleans, LA), at age 61 years. The death record appears at Volume 98, Page 946. This appears likely to be the death record of the husband of Winifred ROPER. I would encourage you to try to obtain the ORIGINAL death records for both Hugh CAMPBELL and Winifred Roper CAMPBELL. One or both of these MIGHT give a date of birth as well as a date of death. (Bear in mind that the entry above is from the Index.) A date of birth for Winifred ROPER would be very helpful when you begin looking at Irish records to find candidates. Also, I would encourage you to check with the public library in New Orleans to see whether there are any extant newspapers from the period when Hugh CAMPBELL (d 21 Jan 1891 - New Orleans, LA) and Winifred Roper CAMPBELL (d 26 Dec 1890 - New Orlenas, LA) died. An obituary MIGHT reveal the identities of the parents or the COUNTY of origin, which could prove to be helpful in your further investigation.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Campbell, Cammel, Camel, Kelly, Gitney Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/667.2 Message Board Post: The following Census record MIGHT be the 1850 Census record for Hugh CAMPBELL: United States Census -- 1850 New Orleans Municipality 2, Ward 3, Orleans Parish, Louisiana 04 Sep 1850 Line 28, Dwelling 3367, Family 4123, Thomas GITNEY, Age 30, Male, Drayman, Born Ireland Line 29, Dwelling 3367, Family 4123, Bridget GITNEY, Age 25, Female, Born Ireland Line 30, Dwelling 3367, Family 4123, Rosa KELLY, Age 53, Female, Born Ireland Line 31, Dwelling 3367, Family 4123, Hugh CAMEL, Age 27, Male, Drayman, Born Ireland Line 32, Dwelling 3367, Family 4123, J. CAMEL, Age 22, Drayman, Born Ireland [Image 85 of 92 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1850 Census data of rthis jurisdiction.] * Bridget seems to nicely fit in age between Hugh and J. CAMEL/CAMPBELL and MIGHT be their sister. The AGE and LOCATION for Hugh CAMPBELL seem about correct. Do you know if this Hugh CAMPBELL was still living at the date of the 1900 Census enumeration??

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Campbell Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/667.1 Message Board Post: Julie: Several times I have set about to try to find a bit more information regarding this family and in each instance I have found myself unable to gain any substantial traction. I want to quickly organize what is KNOWN and what you believe or have inferred from various sources and I would encourage YOU to post any additional particulars known to you. These details can be the basis for further investigations. I understnad that the head of household who married Winnifred ROPER was Hugh CAMPBELL, but we do NOT know his age or place of birth. I understand that Winnifred ROPER married this Hugh CAMPBELL on 03 April 1858 in New Orleans. From extant New Orleans birth records, we know the dates of birth of these CAMPBELL children: Rebecca CAMMEL (b 26 Oct 1858 - New Orleans, LA) [Volume 27, Page 228] Mary CAMPBELL (b 03 Jan 1860 - New Orleans, LA) [Volume 60 1/2, Page 596] Elizabeth CAMPBELL (b 16 Jul 1861 - New Orleans, LA) [Volume 60 1/2, Page 601] Winifred CAMPBELL (b 07 Mar 1864 - New Orleans, LA) [Volume 60 1/2, Page 601] Irina CAMPBELL (b 13 Mar 1870 - New Orleans, LA) [Volume 60 1/2, Page 602] Hugh CAMPBELL (b 23 Mar 1872 - New Orleans, LA) [Volume 60 1/2, Page 602] Rebecca CAMPBELL (b 26 Dec - New Orleans, LA) [Volume 60 1/2, Page 59?] To these we need to also add: Isabella Patrick Jane William * * * One is left with the rather unmistakeable impression that this CAMPBELL family was present in New Orleans or at least nearby in Louisiana at the date of the 1860 and the 1870 Census enumeration. In another Post you indicated that Winifred Roper CAMPBELL died on 26 Dec 1890 in New Orleans, age 55. [New Orleans Death Records Volume 98, Page 687 indexed as "Winnefried Ropper"] This would tend to suggest that we ought to be able to find Winnie in the 1880 Census for LA, as well. * * * Consulting the 1860 United States Census we find: United States Census -- 1860 New Orleans Ward 3, Orleans Parish, LA 10 Jul 1860 [Census Roll M653_417] Line 29, Dwelling 2557, Family 3299, Hugh CAMPBELL, Age 39, Male, Laborer, Pers Est $50, Born Ireland Line 30, Dwelling 2557, Family 3299, Winnie CAMPBELL, Age 24, Female, Born Ireland Line 31, Dwelling 2557, Family 3299, Rebecca CAMPBELL, Age 2, Born LA Line 32, Dwelling 2557, Family 3299, Mary CAMPBELL, Age 6/12, Born LA [Image 440 of 552 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1860 Census data for this jursidiction] * United States Census -- 1880 Ward 3, Orleans Parish, LA [Enumeration District 20] 180 Franklin Street (Page 37) 12 Jun 1880 Line 35, House No. 180, Dwelling 321, Family 587, CAMMEL, Hew, White, Male, Age 50, Husband, Bar Keeper, Born Ireland, Fa Born Ireland, Mo Born Ireland Line 36, House No. 180, Dwelling 321, Family 587, CAMMEL, Wilford, White, Female, Age 40, Wife, House Keeper, Born Ireland, Fa Born Ireland, Mo Born Ireland Line 37, House No. 180, Dwelling 321, Family 587, CAMMEL, Winiford, White, Female, Age 16, Daughter, House Keeper, Born LA, Fa Born Ireland, Mo Born Ireland Line 38, House No. 180, Dwelling 321, Family 587, CAMMEL, Isabela, White, Female, Age 13, Daughter, at School, Born LA, Fa Born Ireland, Mo Born Ireland Line 39, House No. 180, Dwelling 321, Family 587, CAMMEL, Laurina, White, Female, Age 10, Daughter, at School, Born LA, Fa Born Ireland, Mo Born Ireland Line 40, House No. 180, Dwelling 321, Family 587, CAMMEL, Hg, White, Male, Age 9, Son, at School, Born LA, Fa Born Ireland, Mo Born Ireland Line 41, House No. 180, Dwelling 321, Family 587, CAMMEL, Pat, White, Male, Age 6, Son, at Home, Born LA, Fa Born Ireland, Mo Born Ireland Line 42, House No. 180, Dwelling 321, Family 587, CAMMEL, Jane, White, Female, Age 4, Daughter, at Home, Born LA, Fa Born Ireland, Mo Born Ireland [Image 37 of 92 at the Ancestry.com presentation of the Census data for this jursidiction] * * * * * I fear that I have NOT answered your central question --- the identity of the parents of Winnifred ROPER (b abt 1835 - Ireland, d 26 Dec 1890 - New Orleans, LA), who married Hugh CAMPBELL on 03 April 1858 in New Orleans. But I believe that at least a little basic information is now better organized above to assist us as we continue to look for the answer. I would think that the next logical place to look is the UK Census of 1851. But I am uncertain whether Ireland was included. Perhaps a genealogist better acquainted with data from Ireland can assist. Of course, it is also POSSIBLE that Winifred ROPER was already in the United States in 1850, in which case we shoul also look at the 1850 Census to look for additional candidates. And that is something that is worthy of further investigation.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Harrison Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/501.2 Message Board Post: While trying to sort out some other Pickens, SC, ROPERs, I came across an 1860 Census record in White County, GA, for the household of Alfred ROPER (indexed at Ancestry as "ROPES"), age 62. This Alfred ROPER appears likely to be the son of Joshua ROPER (b abt 1778 - NC, d 03 Mar 1856 - SC). One of the children in this household is a Harrison ROPER (b avt 1846 - SC). It is unclear whether ths child yields any further clue regarding the origin of the Harrison / Harleston name in your line, but I wanted to call the record to your attention.

Hi Dave: I queried a list member of a St Louis list about the "Littles" of MO and here is what I received back. Hope it helps you.----Jim Brasher ------------------------------------------------ I don't know. There was a large family. My 3xgrandparents were David Little (4 May 1803 South Carolina-14 June 1883 Illinois) who married Margaret Linn (1809 SC-5 Jan 1891 IL). They had the following children: Nancy (m. Elder) Martha (m. Edmiston) Rebecca (m. Ephraim Beever)=my 2xgrandparents James K. or R? moved to Girard, Kansas Maria (m. Coulter) Margaret "Maggie" Piper John Calvin moved to Berkley, California William Riley (m. Mortin) Ellen Jane (m. Lyons) Elizabeth (m. Skelly) 2 others that died in infancy Linda -------Original Message------- From: JAMES O BRASHER Date: 01/03/05 13:14:06 To: Frank & Linda Lewis Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Coulter surname Hi Linda: By any chance do your "Little's" connect to you in Cape Girardeau? One of my Roper cousins, in VA, has been looking for his "Little" family in Missouri ----Jim

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper Classification: Census Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/737.1 Message Board Post: Message SUBJECT should have read "1850 Census Record for Elam ROPER (b abt 1818 - KY)"