This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/788.1 Message Board Post: One of the children of Edward C. ROPER (b Jun 1841 - Richmond, Henrico, VA, d Bef 1910 - Prob Augusta, VA) and Rebecca BESS shown in the Census records above is shown to be Emmet Lee ROPER. Though the 1900 Census shows this Emmet Lee ROPER to have been born in Jan 1886, Emmet's WW I draft card dated 12 Sep 1918 shows Emmet Lee ROPER to have been born on 01 Mar 1884. The draft card also shows Emmet to be tall, of medium build with blue eyes and light hair. He is then shown to be living at RFD 2, Staunton, Augusta County, VA. He is shown to be a Fire Man with the Staunton Lighting Company. His nearest releative is shown to be wife Mallie M. ROPER. Emmet Lee ROPER is shown in the 1920 United States Census residing at Alexandria, where he worked as a machinist: United States Census -- 1920 Ward 2, Alexandria, Alexandria County, Virginia, (Enumeration District 4), Page 11B 09 Jan 1920 Line 60, 221 North Pitt St., Dwelling 182, Family 223, ROPER, Emmett, Head, Male, White, Age 34, Married, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA, Machinist Whs. Light Co. Line 61, 221 North Pitt St., Dwelling 182, Family 223, ROPER, Mallie, Wife, Female, White, Age 28, Married, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA Line 62, 221 North Pitt St., Dwelling 182, Family 223, ROPER, Robert, Son, Male, White, Age 8, Single, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA Line 63, 221 North Pitt St., Dwelling 182, Family 223, ROPER, Nettie, Daughter, Female, White, Age 5, Single, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA Line 64, 221 North Pitt St., Dwelling 182, Family 223, ROPER, Louisa, Daughter, Female, White, Age 2 6/12, Single, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA Line 65, 221 North Pitt St., Dwelling 182, Family 223, ROPER, Emmett Jr., Son, Male, White, Age 3/12, Single, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA [Image 22 of 46 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1920 Census data for this jurisdiction.] * I have thus far been unable to locate Emmet Lee ROPER in either the 1920 or the 1930 Census enumeration. He is shown inthe 1900 Census enumeration with his father shown in the previous Post. One POSSIBILITY for the 1910 record is: United States Census -- 1910 District 2, Fulton County, Kentucky, Sheet 8A 27 Apr 1910 Line 17, Dwelling 151, Family 151, ROPER, Lee, Head, Male, White, Age 27, Married (1st), Married 5 Years, Born KY, Father Born KY, Mother Born TN, Farmer Line 18, Dwelling 151, Family 151, ROPER, Dola, Wife, Female, White, Age 24, Married (1st), Married 5 Years, 1 Child / 1 Child Living, Born KY, Father Born KY, Mother Born KY Line 19, Dwelling 151, Family 151, ROPER, Louise, Daughter, Female, White, Age 2, Single, Born KY, Father Born KY, Mother Born KY [Image 15 of 23 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1910 Census data for this jursidiction.] However, there is a separate WW I Draft Registration Card for this Lee ROPER, age 35, who seems to have been born on 10 Nov 1882 and is shown to be residing at 2 Crutchfield, Fulton, KY, with wife DOla on 12 Sep 1918. So this appears to be a different Lee ROPER. * Emmet Lee ROPER's death is recorded at age 57 on 20 May 1945 in Perry County, KY [Volume 28, Certificate 13539]. The name appearing on the death certificate is shown in the Index to be "Emmit L. ROPER". Mallie ROPER's death MIGHT BE the death of a Mallie ROPP recorded in KY on 03 Aug 1936 [Vol. 43, Certificate 21102], but this should be considered a speculative ascription. Emmet Lee ROPER's son Robert Lawrence ROPER is shown in Kentucky death records to have died at age 41 on 08 Mar 1953 in Letcher County, KY [Volume 13, Certificate 6125]. Secondary sources show Emmet Lee ROPER's daughter Nettie as having died in Ogden, UT, in 1981. The SSDI suggests to us that this might have been the individual shown in the records as Netta FERRIN (b 10 Jan 1914, d Oct 1981 - Ogden, Weber, UT). Her SSN 403-14-3072 was issued in Kentucky and her name, date of birth and date of death seems to precisely correspond to the information in the Census and given by the secondary source. Possible candidates for Netta Roper FERRIN's husband, based solely upon proximate FERRIN deaths in this Zip Code include Oscar FERRIN (b 29 Apr 1896, d Nov 1970 - UT) and Clyde W. FERRIN (b 16 Dec 1907, d 11 Jul 1999 - UT). Bear in mind that this is a SPECULATIVE ascription! Perhaps someone with a better understanding of this family can clarify. Secondary sources show Emmet Lee ROPER's daughter as having married a John Thomas BUNTON. These sources also infomr us that Etta Louise Roper BUNTON died in 1990 in Bristol, VA. The SSDI shows us that there was a Louise R. [Roper] BUNTON (b 11 May 1917, d 18 Feb 1990), with SSN 407-36-7169 issued in KENTUCKY and last residence in Zip Code 24201 (Bristol, Bristol, VA). This seems likely to be Etta Lousie Roper BUNTON. There are several John and Thomas BUNTON deaths shown in Kentucky. It is unclear which of these reflects the death of John Thomas BUNTON, if he is, in fact, deceased. Emmet Lee ROPER, Jr., (b 1919 - KY) enlisted in the U.S. Army during WW II on 05 Apr 1944 at Fort Thomas Newport, KY. Emmet Lee ROPER's son Emmett Lee ROPER, Jr., is shown in Kentucky death records to have died at age 51 on 18 Jun 1971 in Perry County, KY [Volume 31, Certificate 15491]. * I would be interested in hearing from anyone with additional knowledge and insight into this family!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/788 Message Board Post: Amongst the descendants of Edward ROPER (b 1791 - Charles City, VA, d 09 Feb 1826 - Charles City, VA) through his son Benjamin Watkins ROPER (b Apr 1817 - Charles City, VA, d 07 Jul 1869) is Edward C. ROPER (b Jun 1841 - Richmond, Henrico, VA, d Bef 1910). He first appears in his father's 1850 Census record: United States Census -- 1850 My District, Henrico, Virginia, Page 973 (Page Imprinted "486") 05 Sep 1850 Line 6, Dwelling 650, Family 650, Benjamin B. [sic] ROPER, age 33, Male, Cabinet Maker, RE $2,000, Born VA Line 7, Dwelling 650, Family 650, Martha C. ROPER, age 33, Female, Born VA Line 8, Dwelling 650, Family 650, Ann E. ROPER, age 8, Female, Born VA, Attends School Line 9, Dwelling 650, Family 650, Edward C. ROPER, age 6, Male, Born VA Line 10, Dwelling 650, Family 650, George K. ROPER, age 3, Male, Born VA Line 11, Dwelling 650, Family 650, Charles B. ROPER, age 7/12, Male, Born VA Line 12, Dwelling 650, Family 650, Ann E. HUMPHREYS, age 21, Female, Mulatto, Born VA, Cannot Read & Write [Image 75 of 116 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1850 Census data for this jurisdiction.] * Edward C. ROPER next appears in his father's 1860 Census record: United States Census -- 1860 Eastern Division, Henrico, Virginia (Richmond Post Office), Page 74 20 Jul 1860 Line 26, Dwelling 553, Family 545, B. W. ROPER, Age 42, Male, Farmer, RE $10,000, Pers Estate $2,200, Born VA Line 27, Dwelling 553, Family 545, Martha C. ROPER, Age 42, Female, Born VA Line 28, Dwelling 553, Family 545, Nannie B. ROPER, Age 16, Female, Born VA Line 29, Dwelling 553, Family 545, E. H. ROPER, Age 14, Male, Born VA, Attends School Line 30, Dwelling 553, Family 545, G. K. ROPER, Age 12, Male, Born VA, Attends School * Line 1, Dwelling 553, Family 545, C. G. ROPER, Age 10, Male, Born VA, Attends School Line 2, Dwelling 553, Family 545, Mary C. ROPER, Age 8, Female, Born VA Line 3, Dwelling 553, Family 545, Sallie M. ROPER, Age 5, Female, Born VA Line 4, Dwelling 553, Family 545, Minnie V?. ROPER, Age 11/12, Female, Born VA Line 6, Dwelling 553, Family 545, Joseph COLE, Age 22, Male, Miller, Born VA, Attends School [Images 74, 75 of 213 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1860 Census data for this jurisdiction.] Nannie B. seems to be the SAME daughter as Ann E. ROPER. * Edward ROPER next appears in the Census with his wife Rebecca and two eldest daughters at South River, Augusta County, Virginia, in 1870: United States Census -- 1870 South River, Augusta County, Virginia, Page 3 (Page Imprinted "460") 04 Aug 1870 Line 33, Dwelling 19, Family 19, ROPER, Edward, Age 30, Male, White, Hand? Carpenter, Born Virginia, Cannot Read, Cannot Write, Male Citizen Over Age 21 Line 34, Dwelling 19, Family 19, ROPER, Rebecca, Age 22, Female, White, Keeping House, Born West Virginia, Cannot Read Line 35, Dwelling 19, Family 19, ROPER, Ellena, Age 1, Female, White, At Home, Born Virginia Line 36, Dwelling 19, Family 19, ROPER, Eliza Ann, Age 1/12, Female, White, Born Virginia, Born Apr [Images 3 of 64 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1870 Census data for this jurisdiction.] * In 1880, Edward and Rebecca ROPER were at Beverly Manor, Augusta County, Virginia: United States Census -- 1880 Beverly Manor, Augusta County, Virginia (Enumeration District 11), Page 9 (Page Imprinted "77") 03 Jun 1880 Line 44, Dwelling 81, Family 84, ROPER, Edward, White, Male, Age 38, Married, Laborer, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA, Cannot Read or Write Line 45, Dwelling 81, Family 84, ROPER, Rebecca, White, Female, Age 34, Wife, Married, Keeps House, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA, Cannot Read or Write Line 46, Dwelling 81, Family 84, ROPER, Elzora, White, Female, Age 11, Daughter, Single, At home, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA, Cannot Read or Write Line 47, Dwelling 81, Family 84, ROPER, William H., White, Male, Age 8, Son, Single, At home, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA, Cannot Read or Write Line 48, Dwelling 81, Family 84, ROPER, Charles A., White, Male, Age 6, Son, Single, At home, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA, Cannot Read or Write Line 49, Dwelling 81, Family 84, ROPER, George F., White, Male, Age 4, Son, Single, At home, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA, Cannot Read or Write Line 50, Dwelling 81, Family 84, ROPER, Ada Belle, White, Female, Age 1, Daughter, Single, At home, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA, Cannot Read or Write * Line 1, Dwelling 81, Family 84, TAYLOR, Caroline, White, Female, Age 10, Daughter, Single, At home, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA, Cannot Read or Write [Images 9 of 32 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1880 Census data for this jurisdiction.] Caroline TAYLOR's actual relationship is unclear from the record. She seems to be roughly the same age as teh Elizabeth Ann who appeared in teh 1870 enumeration, but it is unclear how one gets Caroline from Elizabeth Ann. And her appearance AFTER the other children is suggestive that her relationship is different. She may have been an adopted orphan. * Edward ROPER's household has thinned considerably by 1900. Wife Rebecca seems to be gone and probably has therefore died between 1893 and 1900. Three new children also appear: United States Census -- 1900 Beverly Manor, Augusta County, Virginia (Enumeration District 22), [Bolivar and Sandy Hollow Precincts] Sheet No. 10B 13 Jun 1900 Line 55, Dwelling 188, Family 189, ROPER, Edward, Head, White, Male, Born June 1841, Age 58, Widowed?, Married 32 Years, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA, Laborer Line 56, Dwelling 188, Family 189, ROPER, Emit L., Son, White, Male, Born Jan 1886, Age 14, Single, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA Line 56, Dwelling 188, Family 189, ROPER, Margie A., Daughter, White, Female, Born May 1892, Age 8, Single, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA Line 57, Dwelling 188, Family 189, ROPER, Betie G., Daughter, White, Female, Born Jan 1893, Age 7, Single, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA Line 58, Dwelling 188, Family 189, ROPER, Rebecca, Border, White, Female, Born Jan 1848, Age 52, Single, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA [Images 18 of 52 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1900 Census data for this jurisdiction.] Rebecca ROPER's relationship with Edward ROPER is UNCLEAR, but she is shown in the Census record as a Boarder rather than his WIFE. However, Rebecca ROPER reappears in the 1910 and 1920 Census records. There she is shown to be a widow and Edward is gone from the household I will endeavor to Post these additional records in a subsequent Post. * Is anyone acquainted with a male ROPER-surnamed descendant of this Edward C. ROPER? It would be very helpful to get a DNA test subject from this ROPER family for the ROPER DNA Study.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/787.3 Message Board Post: An additional Index reference to the death of John ROPER appearing in the Richmond Commercial Compiler on Friday, July 7, 1820: "Died - On Wednesday, Mr. John Roper by discharging a loaded musket through his throat. A young man, he was a resident of Henrico County. (p. 3, c. 1) " This seems to clarify that the John ROPER killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound was the younger John ROPER rather than an elder John ROPER.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/787.2.1 Message Board Post: It is my understanding that an obituary of Edmond P. ROPER appears in the January 5, 1835, edition of the Richmond Whig. This Edmond P. ROPER is almost certainly the Edmond P. ROPER, son of John ROPER (b abt 1770 - Charles City, VA, d aft 1850 - prob Henrico, VA), discussed in the previous Post. Edmond ROPER seems likely to be one of the two sons shown inthe 1820 Census record, but does NOT seem to appear in his father's household in 1830. But there is no other Census record in 1830 which seems to reflect Edmond ROPER as a head of household. He seems to be still living in someone else's household in 1830. I have NOT seen the cited obituary. If someone else has ready access to this obituary, I would appreciate seeing precisely what it says.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/787.2 Message Board Post: In my previous Posts in this discussion thread, I mention the death notice of John ROPER (d 05 Jul 1820 - Henrico, VA) and speculate about the likelihood that the John ROPER shown in the 1810, 1820 and 1830 Census was John ROPER, son of David ROPER (b 13 NOV 1744, d 16 APR 1808 - Charles City, VA). In 1810, we have this record in Henrico for John ROPER: John ROPER: 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 -- 2 - 0 - 0 - 2 - 0 -- 1 - 6 In 1820, John ROPER appears again in Henrico as the head of this household: John ROPER: 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 3 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 In 1830, John ROPER is still a head of household in Henrico: John ROPER: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 8 This John ROPER seems to be age 60 to 69 (b abt 1761-70). Note that this is consistent with the range indicated by the 1810 Census record (b abt 1766-1784) and the implicit range suggested by the 1820 record (b bef 1776). Taken together, the indicated range is 1766-1770. While the 1820 Census enumeration in Henrico was presented in a quasi-alphabetical order, the 1830 enumeration appears to be in a proximity order. Here are the identifiable neighbors of John ROPER in 1830: William H. CHILDRESS Joseph BAILEY, Sen. Nancy FOSTER Edrig? WILLIAM Moses SYKES Jackson HAMPTON Shadrack FAGAN Ned GEORGE Betty GELMAN? Leonard SCOTT Samual BALL Task SCOTT John SCOTT Edward COX Edward MARABLE James CHRISTIAN (Manager at Wilton) Spotswood BRADLEY Joseph KNIGHT Nelson BUTLER Elijah THROGMORTON William GUNN Samuel THROGMORTON Caleb FRASER William FUSELL? Patsy ROBINSON Mima FUSELL? John ROPER Benjamin FUSELL Elizabeth MINOR ** London BROWN Becky PLEASANTS Cuffie PLEASANTS Mings GRIFFIN John WARRINER Milly PLEASANTS John WHITLOCKE James F. DELORA Mima FUSELL William G. O'KESSEE? Susanna MORRIS Terry HILL Mary Ann PEMBERTON Gervais N. KESSEE James LONITH Thomas I. WEST Sarah WASHINGTON Fielding BINFORD Samuel WILLIS Richard BINFORD Patsy COLEMAN Betty BINFORD Peter COLEMAN In 1850, John ROPER is still living and is found in the household of James and Elizabeth TURNER, of Henrico: United States Census -- 1850 My District, Henrico, Virginia 09 OCT 1850 Line 30, Dwelling 838, Family 838, James TURNER, Age 34, Male, Farmer, Born VA Line 31, Dwelling 838, Family 838, Elizabeth P. TURNER, Age 47, Female, Born VA Line 32, Dwelling 838, Family 838, Sarah TURNER, Age 10, Female, Born VA Line 33, Dwelling 838, Family 838, Thomas TURNER, Age 7, Male, Born VA Line 34, Dwelling 838, Family 838, Susan F. TURNER, Age 3, Female, Born VA Line 35, Dwelling 838, Family 838, John J. EPPS, Age 16, Male, Born VA Line 36, Dwelling 838, Family 838, John ROPER, Age 80, Male, -None-, Born VA, BLIND [Image 98 of 116 at the Ancestry.com presentation of Census data for this jurisdiction.] This record appears to me to be furhter evidence in support of the ascription of this John ROPER as the son of David ROPER (b 13 NOV 1744, d 16 APR 1808 - Charles City, VA). From the sequence of names in David ROPER's Will, it seems most likely that John ROPER is the eldest son. A birth year of abt 1770 would indicate that David ROPER was about age 26 at John ROPER's birth. John ROPER's presence in James TURNER's household is suggestive that he might be Elizabeth TURNER's father. John J. EPPS' appearance in this household is suggestive that Elizabeth ROPER might have been the widow of an EPPS, who married James TURNER about 1839. * I believe the clue to the identity of this Elizabeth TURNER is given in the deed dated 16 JAN 1834, a transciption of which is shown at Dr. L. David ROPER's website at http://www.roperld.com/rva18.htm . The text reads in part: "This Indenture made this sixteenth day of January in the year eighteen hundred and thirty four between John Roper, Edmond P. Roper, Lewis L. Charles and Martha P. his wife, Edmond Eppes and Elizabeth P. his wife and Sarah M. Roper the said Lewis S. Charles Martha P. his wife and Sarah M. Roper of the County of Albermurel and the said John Roper, Edmond P. Roper, Edmond Eppes and Elizabeth P. his wife of the County of Henrico of one part and John Whitlock of the last said County of the other part. ..." It is unclear from the instrument the relationship Edmond and Elizabeth EPPES bear to the other ROPERs named, but it APPEARS likely that Elizabeth P. EPPES is a ROPER. Martha P. CHARLES seems also likely to be a ROPER. What seems likely is that the farm of John ROPER is being sold DURING HIS LIFETIME and the proceeds being divided amongst his children. By 1834, John ROPER was probably also blind and therefore dependant upon his children for care. I am inclined to believe that this record iplicitly identifies for us the surviving children of John ROPER at the date of this 1834 instrument: Edmond P. ROPER, Martha P. (Roper) CHARLES, Elizabeth P. (Roper) EPPES, and Sarah M. ROPER, widow of another son of John ROPER. This is reasonably consistent with the 1810 Census record for John ROPER which shows what appears to be an older son -- possibly John Jr. -- and a younger son, as well as two younger daughters. The 1820 Census record appears to show two sons age 16 to 25 and three younger daughters. There is one Edmond EPPES in Henrico, VA, in the 1820 Census: Edmond EPPES: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Image 21 of 52 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1820 Census data for this jurisdiction] Edmond is age 45 or over (b bef 1776). His wife, possibly Elizabeth, is age 26 to 44 (b abt 1776-94). Based solely upon proximity, I am inclined to believe that the marriage record of Elizabeth ROPER to William MINOR on 24 AUG 1819 may very well apply to John ROPER's daughter. Note the appearance of an Elizabeth MINOR in the 1830 Census enumeration two records away from John ROPER in Henrico. I am GUESSING that William MINOR died before 1830 and that Elizabeth Roper MINOR then subsequently remarried Edmund EPPES. This speculative ascription is somewhat supported by the finding of a marriage record showing the marriage of Martha P. ROPER to Lewis L. CHARLES on 22 MAY 1828 in Henrico County, VA. (This at least supports my inference that the reason the wives were shown in the deed record was because they were daughters of John ROPER.) * I am inclined to believe that the Elizabeth TURNER, age 60, shown residing within the household of Anslem C. and Martha GARTHRIGHT is probably John ROPER's daughter Elizabeth P. ROPER, following the death of James TURNER. There is a marriage record in Henrico showing: John ROPER m Mrs. Elizabeth GARTHRIGHT on 25 MAY 1814 at Henrico, VA. It is unclear to me whether this was the second marriage of Elizabeth's father John ROPER or perhaps the marriage of her brother John ROPER, but it seems likely that there is a family connection. * * * I would much appreciate hearing from anyone with additional insight or information regarding this family!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/787.1 Message Board Post: After reviewing my notes, I realized that there is an additional John ROPER who appeared in the 1820 Census enumeration for Henrico, Virginia, but whose name is OMITTED from the Ancestry.com Index. This John ROPER appears on the page with page number imprinted "101", which page is shown at Image 32 of 52 at the Ancestry.com presentation of the 1820 Census data for this jurisdiction. At the TOP of this Census page is Edward SCOTT. John ROPER appears nearer the bottom of the page along with Rebecca REYNOLDS, Betsey REYNOLDS, and Thomas M. RANDOLPH. An additional section of "S" names appears thereafter. (Note: this enumeration is quasi-aphabetical, rather than based upon interview sequence.) John ROPER's 1820 Census record indicates: John ROPER: 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 3 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 So it appears that John ROPER was still in Henrico at least at the date of the 1820 Census enumeration and had still had five slaves in his household that year. * It seems most likely that the John ROPER, of Henrico, who was killed in 1820 was another different John ROPER, perhaps the son, age 16 to 25 shown in John ROPER's 1810 Census enumeration.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/787 Message Board Post: According to an Index entry at the Virginia State Library, appearing in the American Commercial Beacon and Norfolk & Portsmouth Daily Advertiser on Monday, July 10, 1820, was this death notice: "Died - On Wednesday, July 5, John Roper, a resident of Henrico County, by shooting himself." (p. 3, c. 2) This entry is apparently taken from the marriage and obituary citations compiled by Bernard J. Henley from Virginia newspapers on microfilm at the Library of Virginia. I have NOT seen the original entry. In the 1810 United States Census, there was one John ROPER residing in Henrico County: John ROPER: 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 -- 2 - 0 - 0 - 2 - 0 -- 1 - 6 This John ROPER therefore appears to have been age 26 to 44 in 1810 (b abt 1766-1784). His wife would appear to be of similar age. The presence of six slaves in this household is highly suggestive that the John ROPER shown in the 1810 Census record is John ROPER, son of David ROPER (b 13 NOV 1744, d 16 APR 1808 - Charles City, VA). That John ROPER received slaves by deed of gift from his father in 1804 and again by Will upon his father's death in 1808. The 1804 deed of gift said in part: "Know all men by these presents that David Roper of the County of Charles City for and in consideration of the love and affection which I bear to my son John Roper and for the farther consideration of the sum of one dollar to me in hand paid by the said John Roper the receipt whereof I do hereby acknowledge have given granted bargained and sold and by these presents do give grant bargain and sell unto my said son John Roper the following slaves to wit; Mary, Lotsey and Billy, to have and to hold the said slaves to my sd son John Roper his heirs and assigns forever, the title to which said slaves against me my heirs and assigns and every other person and persons unto the said John Roper his heirs and assigns will forever warrant and defend." This deed was executed on 13 APR 1804 and proved on 18 APR 1804. (see the transcription posted at Dr. L. David ROPER's website at http://www.roperld.com/rva18.htm ) The Will stated in part: "Then, after my just debts are paid; I give and bequeath to my son John Roper four Negroes which he hath now in his possession Nirt, Mary, Letsy, Randol and Debby: also an equal proportion of my household furniture: to him and his heirs forever. ... My desire is that my Man Fill and his wife live or continue with my son John Roper, but not as slaves; but to do moderate labour, and should they live to become chargeable in the Judgement of my executors then in that case, they shall be maintained out of my Estate." Note that Mary and Lotsey/Letsey seem to appear in BOTH the deed of gift AND the Will. Taken together, the list seems to be: Mary, Lotsey/Letsey, Billy, Nirt, Randol and Debby This works out to precisely SIX slaves, the exact number shown in the 1810 Census record. There is also one freed slave seemingly living in the John ROPER household, presumably "Fill" or his wife. This John ROPER does NOT seem to appear in the 1820 Census enumeration. Amongst those enumerated in 1820 in Henrico were an Elizabeth ROPER, Billy ROPER, Billy ROPER and Silvia ROPER. Elizabeth ROPER appears to be a white female over age 45: Elizabeth ROPER: 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 2 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 Each of the others named seems to be a freed slave: Billy ROPER: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 Billy ROPER: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 Silvia ROPER: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 Note that Elizabeth ROPER owns NO SLAVES. She seems to have two sons in her household, one age 10 to 16 and the other age 16 to 26. The first Billy ROPER seems to be a free colored male under age 14, remarkably with a female slave of age 26 to 44. The latter Billy ROPER seems to be a free colored male of age 26 to 44 with two free colored females of age 14 to 25 residing in his household. Silvia seems to be a free colored female of age 26 to 44, with two free colored males and one free colored female under age 14 residing in her household. * * * There is more than a little reason to suppose that the John ROPER shown to be residing in Henrico, Virginia, in 1810 was son of David ROPER (b 13 NOV 1744, d 16 APR 1808 - Charles City, VA). It is less clear that the John ROPER, of Henrico who died on July 5, 1820, apparently of a self-inflicted gunshot wound was this same John ROPER. The John ROPER who died might have also been a SON of this John ROPER. One clue that this might have been the case is the reappearance in 1830 of a John ROPER in Henrico who is shown to be of age 60 to 70 (b abt 1760-70). It seems possible that the elder John ROPER was simply away in 1820 at the date of the Census. He may have moved to the frontier to stake a claim on some land, etc. In any event, it appears that John ROPER freed his slaves. The John ROPER reappearing in Henrico seems to have a wife age 40 to 50 and two daughters, one age 10 to 14 and one age 15 to 19, rsiding in his household. It would probably be a good idea to check the deed records and Will records for Henrico to ascertain whether there are additional extant clues to the ultimate disposition of the descendants of this John ROPER.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/786.1 Message Board Post: It appears to me that the individual you are seeking is Rhoda Lavada ROPER (b 9 Mar 1891 - Indian Territory, d 25 May 1981 - Oklahoma), daughter of Henry Clay and Zora ROPER. She may be found at age 9 residing with her parents and siblings in Township 5, Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory, in the 1900 Census enumeration. Her father is shown in that enumeration as H. C. ROPER, age 41 (b Oct 1858 - KY) and Zora ROPER, age 32 (b Nov 1867 - MS). The Census record shows Rhoda ROPER to have been born in March 1891. Secondary sources show Henry Clay ROPER to have been born on 14 OCT 1858 in Paducah County [sic], KY, and to have died on 22 SEP 1944 at Ada, OK. (Please note that Paducah is actually a city in McCracken County, KY.) Secondary sources show Henry's wife to be Zora COWART (b 24 NOV 1867 - Jackson County, MS, d 17 JUN 1945 - Ada, OK). This couple is shown to have married on 24 DEC 1886. Perhaps you may obtain Henry Clay ROPER's death certificate to verify this infomration. Rhoda GRAYHAM is shown in the Social Security Death Index as having SSN 448-36-3702, being born on 09 Mar 1891 and having died in May 1981 in Oklahoma. If you use an SS-5 Letter to obtain her original application for a Social Security Number, it will presumably verify her parents names. * Henry C. ROPER, age 51, and Zora ROPER, age 42, were enumerated in Maxwell Township, Pontotoc County, Oklahoma, in 1910. Henry C. ROPER is shown to have been born in Kentucky. His father is shwon to have been born in Kentucky and his mother is shown to have been born in VIRGINIA. Zora is shown to have been born in Mississippi. Her father is shown to have been born in Mississippi and her mother is shown to have been born in NORTH CAROLINA. Henry and Zora are shown to have been married 22 year (m abt 1888). This is shown to be Henry's SECOND MARRIAGE. This is consistent with the indication in the 1900 Census record that Henry's eldest two sons Liley and Alonzo had a mother who was born in Kentucky rather than Mississippi. Rhoda is shown to be age 19 that year and still single and living at home. Henry C. ROPER, age 61, and Zora ROPER, age 52, are shown to be residing in Ada, Pontotoc County, Oklahoma, in 1920. Henry C. ROPER is again shown to have been born in Kentucky to parents each born in Kentucky. Zora is shown to have been born in Mississippi to parents each born in Mississippi. Henry C. ROPER, age 71, is again shown in the 1930 Census enumeration residing in Ada, Pontotoc County, Oklahoma, with wife Zora [shown in the Index as "Lora"], age 62. Their places of birth and the birthplaces of the parents are identical to that shown in 1920. Henry is shown to have married at age 28 (abt 1886). Zora is shown to have married at age 19 (abt 1886). * There are NOT any readily apparent ROPER relatives living nearby Henry Clay ROPER within Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory. There IS a Jay Lillie ROPE, age 32 (b Nov 1867 - KY), whose parents were each shown to be born in Kentucky, residing within Township 9, Creek Nation, Indian Territory, in 1900. A STRONG clue that this Jay Lillie ROPER is related to Henry Clay ROPER is the given name of Henry Clay ROPER's eldest son "Liley ROPER", age 18 in 1900, born May 1882 - Indian Teritory. The second son, possibly Alonzo, was born in August 1884 in Arkansas. There is also a Robert J. ROPER, age 28 (b Dec 1871 - Georgia) residing with wife Vira, age 28 (b Jan 1871), and children Joseph, age 15 (b Feb 1885 - NC), John R., age 11 (b May 1889 - NC), and Clyde, age 2 (b abt Jul 1897 - IN), residing within this same Township 5, Chickasaw Nation. There is also a John H. ROPER, age 48 (b Feb 1852 - KY), residing in Hopkins County, Texas, in 1900. * Another clue to Henry Clay ROPER's identity may be the appearance of Charles ROPER, age 40 (b Dec 1859 - IN) in Paducah, McCracken County, KY, in 1900. This is the ONLY ROPER in Paducah that year. This Charles ROPER is shown to be born in Indiana to parents born in the District of Columbia and England. This Charles ROPER is shown to have been married to his wife Lucy, age 30 (b Mar 1870) for 12 years. They seem to have had three children, of whom two are living: George ROPER, age 7 (b Jul 1892), and Clyde ROPER, age 3 (b Jun 1897). There is a Charles ROPER, age 10 (b abt 1860 - IN), residing within the household of parents James and Charlotte ROPER, of Hobart, Lake County, IN, in the 1870 Census enumeration. James ROPER is shown to be age 51 and born in ENGLAND. Charlotte ROPER is age 51 and shown to have been born in ENGLAND. Children in this household are Philip, age 24 (b abt 1846 - England), Thomas, age 19 (b abt 1851 - England), James, age 17 (b abt 1853 - Michigan), Charlotte, age 14 (b abt 1856 - Michigan) and Charles H. ROPER, age 10 (b abt 1860 - Indiana). In the adjacent Census record is Edward B. ROPER, age 27 (b ab t 1843 - England), a Saloon Keeper, with wife Margaret ROPER, age 23 (b abt 1847 - Indiana), and his son James ROPER, age 2 (b abt 1868 - Indiana). There is also a Charles U. ROPER, age 10, residing with parents John H. ROPER, age 40, and Narcissus ROPER, age 28, in Roaring Springs, Trigg County, KY. John and Narcissus are shown to have married within the previous year in November. * Secondary sources I have consulted online do NOT show the identity of Henry Clay ROPER's parents. There are several candidates that merit consideration. In the 1880 Census, the BEST candidate would appear to be the Henry ROPER, age 21, shown to be residing within the household of Walter EDWARDS, age 30, and Margaret EDWARDS, age 23, of Titus, Texas. This Henry ROPER is shown to be Walter EDWARDS' brother-in-law and therefore, presumably, Margaret's brother. Titus is in North Texas near the Red River and therefore in close proximity to Indian Territory. But Henry ROPER's and Margaret EDWARDS' parents are shown to have been both born in North Carolina. This would appear to be the SAME Henry ROPER, age 12, enumerated in Titus, Texas, in the 1870 Census enumeration residing within the household of James ROPER, age 40, and Lucinda ROPER, age 36. This Henry ROPER is also shown to have been born in Texas and his paretns are each shown to have been born in North Carolina. In the 1860 Census enumeration, the most compelling candidate would appear to be Henry C. ROPER, age 1, son of Isaac S. ROPER, age 25, and Elizabeth ROPER, age 24, of Banks County, Georgia. But this Henry C. ROPER is shown to have been born in Georgia rather than Kentucky. Isaac S. and Elizabeth ROPER are shown to have continued to reside at Poplar Springs, Banks County, Georgia, in 1870 and Henry C. ROPER is no longer in the household that year. * The naming patterns of Henry C. ROPER's children give us some other clues regarding his relationships to other ROPER families. As aforementioned, there is an Alonzo ROPER (b Aug 1884 - AR), who might have been named for Alonzo S. ROPER (b abt 1861 - KY), son of William H. and Elizabeth ROPER, of Hickman, Fulton County, Kentucky. This William H. ROPER (b abt 1821 -KY) was the Sheriff of Fulton County in 1870. Similarly, secondary sources show one of Henry C. ROPER's children to be a Samuel Dutoy ROPER (b 22 Sep 1887, d 24 Oct 1888 - Indian Territory). "Dutoy" is a very uncommon name. A Dutoy ROPER (b Feb 1888 - TN) is shown in the household of Sloan and Sallie ROPER, of Lake County, TN. This Sloan ROPER is shown to have been born in Aug 1860 in Kentucky to paretns both born in Kentucky. Similarly, there is a "Dutah ROPER", age 35, with wife Burnette, age 28, residing in Lake County, TN, in 1870. He has sons Sloan, age 10, and Robert Lee , age 6, as well as daughter Amanda, age 3, residing in his household. Dutoy, Burnette, Sloan and Robert Lee are each shown to have been born in Kentucky. Amanda was born in Tennessee. Joseph A. ROPER, age 30, is enumerated inthe adjacent record and seems likely to be residing next door. Also in this household is Zulima ROPER, age 56, Leviza A. ROPER, age 23, and John C. ROPER, age 29. Each was born in Kentucky. In 1860, this same Dutoy ROPER, age 24, [Shown in the Ancestry.com index as "Duty ROPER"] is residing with wife Burnette, age 19, and Harriett ROPER, age 54, in Moscow, Hickman County, Kentucky. Dutoy and Burnette are shown to have been born in Kentucky. Harriett ROPER is shown to have been born in North Carolina. Elam ROPER, age 42, and his family is residing nearby. The 1850 Census shows Dutoy ROPER, age 15 [shown in the Ancestry Index as "Dutray ROPER"], residing with Harriett ROPER, age 45, M. ROPER, age 16, F, Joseph ROPER, age 13, and S.O. ROPER, age 7, F. Harriet is shown to have been born in North Carolina. The children were all born in Kentucky. Again, Elam ROPER, is nearby. There is also another Dutoy ROPER, age 15, in Fulton County, KY, residing in the household of John ROPER, age 33, and Nancy ROPER, age 24. This Dutoy is also shown to have been born in Kentucky, as was John ROPER. Nancy ROPER was born in Tennessee. The 1840 Census shows one Dutoy ROPER, and this Dutoy also resides in Hickman County, KY. This Dutoy ROPER is shown to be age 30 to 39 (b abt 1801-10). The wife is also shown to be of similar age. It seems most likely that Harriett ROPER (b abt 1805) is Dutoy ROPER's widow. The distribution of ages in Dutoy ROPER's 1840 household is consistent with the children found in Harriet ROPER's household in 1850: Dutoy ROPER: 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Image 3 of 80 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1840 Census data for this jurisdiction.] I am therefore inclined to ascribe Henry Clay ROPER as the son of Joseph Allen ROPER and Amanda BUGG, who seem to have married on 16 Jan 1858 in Hickman County, KY. This Joseph Allen ROPER is identified witin secondary sources as the son of Dutoy and Harriett ROPER, as is shown in the Census records cited above. But please bear in mind that this is a tentative and SPECULATIVE ascription. * I hope that this information gives you sufficient traction to make a more thorough study of this family! Please let us know what else you are able to discover! * * * Also, if you know a male ROPER-surnamed member of this family, it would be useful to obtain a DNA sample for the ROPER DNA study.

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Fownes Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/785.11 Message Board Post: Amongst the very earliest ROPERs in Illinois was Isaac ROPER (b abt 1850 - England, d aft 1900 - Poss IL). The first apppearance I have found to date is within the United States Census at age 20 in 1870, residing within the household of James and Martha WICK in French Creek, Edwards County, Illinois: United States Census -- 1870 French Creek Precinct, Edwards County, Illinois, (Albion Post Office) Page 1 (Page Imprinted "322") 09 Jul 1870 Line 20, Dwelling 4, Family 4, WICK, James, Age 25, Male, White, Farmer, RE $1,400, Pers, Estate $416, Born Illinois, Father Foreign Born Line 21, Dwelling 4, Family 4, WICK, Martha, Age 25, Female, White, Keeping House, Born Illinois Line 22, Dwelling 4, Family 4, WICK, Olive, Age 4, Female, White, Born Illinois Line 23, Dwelling 4, Family 4, WICK, Camella, Age 1, Female, White, Born Illinois Line 24, Dwelling 4, Family 4, ROPER, Isaac, Age 20, Male, White, Born England, Father Foreign Born, Mother Foreign Born [Image 1 of 29 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1870 Census data for this jurisdiction.] It seems most likely that James WICK is a son of Adam WICK, age 50, and possibly Selina WICK, age 42, shown on the same Census page. Isaac ROPER's relationship to the WICK, is any, is unclear. * I have foung no other ROPER residing in Edwards County, IL, in either 1860 or 1870. Nor have I found any obvious record for this Isaac ROPER (b abt 1830 - England) anywhere in teh United States in 1860. * In 1880, there is a somewhat older Isaac ROP, age 36?, born PA, residing with brother Levi J. ROP, age 31, and wife Nancy, age 27. Levi ROP is also shown to be born in PA and both Levi and Isaac ROP are shown to be born to parents both of whom were also born in PA. In 1880, there was also an Isaac ROPER, age 29, born IL, residing with wife Sarah E. ROPER, age 29?, in Douglas, Saline County, Illinois. This Isaac ROPER's parents are shown to each have been born in NC. This couple is rather clearly Isaac and Sarah E. Motsinger ROPER, who married in Saline COunty on 28 Jan 1878. And there was also a younger Isaac ROPER, age 22, born in TN, to parents both born in TN, who is shown to be residing with his brothers A.C. and Samuel ROPER in Saline, Madison County, Illinois. This seems likely to be the Isaac H. ROPER shown to have married Jennie RAWLSTON on 24 SEP 1882, in Madison, IL. * This Isaac ROPER next seems to reappear in Gray, White County, Illinois, in the 1900 Census enumeration some thirty years later, as a Boarder within the household of John and Mary COULTER: United States Census -- 1900 Gray, White County, Illinois, Enumeration District 113, Sheet 18B 21 Jun 1900 Line 81, Dwelling 390, Family 393, COULTER, John D.?, Head, White, Male, Born Nov 1828, Age 71, Married 49 Yrs, Born IL, Father Born DE, Mother Born DE, Farmer Line 82, Dwelling 390, Family 393, COULTER, Mary?, Wife, White, Female, Born May 1831, Age 69, Married 49 Yrs, 5 Children, 5 Children Living, Born IL, Father Born IL, Mother Born NC, Weaver Carpet Line 83, Dwelling 390, Family 394, ROPER, Isaac, Border, White, Male, Born Jun 1840, Age 50, Unmarried, Born England, Father Born England, Mother Born England, Immigrated 1858, In US 42 Yrs, Farm Laborer [Image 36 of 42 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1900 Census data for this jurisdiction.] * * * Grey, White County, Illinois, by the way, seems to be about eight miles from Albion, Edwards County, Illinois, so Isaac ROPER seems NOT to have made a major migration (or to the extent that he has, he has RETURNED to near the place he first seems to have settled in America.) Note that the AGE (50) and year of birth (1840) given in the 1900 Census record do NOT agree. The AGE given in 1900 (50) DOES agree with the age given in 1870 (20). I am ASSUMING that the AGES age roughly correct. This Census record also informs us that this Isaac ROPER seems to have come to America in 1858 and therefore OUGHT TO BE found in the 1860 and 1880 United States Census. Presumably, this Isaac ROPER also ought to be found in the 1851 Census of England. Within the 1851 Census of England, there seem to be six particularly compelling candidates to be the Isaac ROPER (b abt 1850) who settled in Illinois. Isaac ROPER, age 2, of Bilston, Staffordshire, apparantly son of William and Mary Ann ROPER.* Isaac ROPER, age 1, of Elland with Greetland, Yorkshire, apparantly son of Emma ROPER Isaac ROPER, age 1, of Sedgley, Staffordshire, son of Isaac and Phoebe ROPER Isaac ROPES, age 1, of Fishwick, Lancashire, son of Robert and Sarah ROPES Isaac ROPER, age 1 mos, of Ecclesall Bierlow, Yorkshire, son of Andrew and Elizabeth ROPER * This Isaac, along with his parents, seems to have been enumerated twice within Bilston, Staffordshire, once while a visitor in the household of Stephen and Sarah HILL. * * * These records at least somewhat correspond to records for births of Isaac ROPERs shown in the English Civil Registration Index: Isaac ROPER, birth registered Dec Qtr, 1848, Dudley District, Staffordshire Worcestershire Isaac ROPER, birth registered Sep Qtr, 1849, Dudley District, Staffordshire Worcestershire Isaac ROPER, borth registered Mar Qtr, 1850, Dewsbury District, West Riding of Yorkshire * * * William and Mary Ann ROPER, parents of Isaac ROPER, age 2, of Bilston, Staffordshire, are shown to be age 48 and 44, respectively, in 1851. This Isaac ROPER was born in Bilston, Staffordshire, as was his mother. His father is shown to have been born in Broseley, Shropshire. In the second enumeration in which this Isaac ROPER appeared , he is shown to have been born in Sedgley, Staffordshire, England. William ROPER is a coal miner. In 1871, this Isaac, age 19, is still residing with his father William (b abt 1829 - Broseley, Shropshire), stepmother Tryphenia, age 42, and his brothers and sisters: Enoch, age 19, Sarah, age 17, William, age 15, Tryphenia, age 12, and Jane, age 10. In 1881, this Issac ROPER, age 32, is residing in Bilston, Staffordshire, with wife Sarah Ann ROPER, and children Ann ROPER, age 2, and Alfred J. ROPER, 3 mos. It seems that we can rule this Isaac OUT. Emma ROPER, who appears to be the mother of Isaac ROPER, is shown to be age 44, in 1851. She is residing with William and Mary SMITHIES, where Emma appears to be working as a domestic. Emma is shown to have been born in Yorkshire Halifax. This Isaac ROPER is shown to have been born in Yorkshire Batty Carr. The Isaac appears to be still residing with his parents Eli and Emma ROPER in Batley, Yorkshire in 1871. It seems that we can rule this Isaac OUT. Isaac and Phoebe ROPER, ages 41 and 40, respectively, were each born in Sedgley:Coseley, Staffordshire, as was Isaac Jr. Also residing within this household are Prudence, age 16, Esther, age 11, and Abraham, age 9. Isaac Jr. is the youngest shown in 1851. Isaac ROPER (b abt 1810 - Sedgley:Coseley, Staffordshire) is a coal miner. The Isaac ROPES, age 1, found in Fishwick, Lancashire, is clearly the same child shown in the parish records as: Isaac ROPER (Chr 11 NOV 1849 - Saint John, Preston, Lancashire, England), son of Robert and Sarah ROPER The parents, Robert and Sarah ROPER, are shown to be ages 45 and 46, respectively. Also present in this household are sisters Esther, age 16, and Sarah Jane, age 4. Ester and Sarah Jane are shown to have been born in Preston, Lancashire. Isaac is shown to have been born in Fishwick. Robert, who is shown to be have occupation "Shop Reeper" is shown to have been born in Standish, Lancashire. Sarah was born in Whittle, Lancashire. Isaac ROPER, age 21, born Preston, Lancashire, is shown to be residing at Whitworth, Spotland, Lancashire, in 1871, where he is employed as a "Grocer". Andrew and Elizabeth ROPER, aged 37 and 36, respectively, are residing with children Andrew, age 8, Charles, age 4, and Isaac, 1 mos. Andrew ROPER is a "Edge Tool Forger" born in Dronfield Derbyshire. ELizabeth and each of the children was born in Sheffield Yorkshire. Elizabeth CARNES, age 13, is shown to be a servant in this household. * * * This seems to leave us with two viable prospects: Isaac ROPER, age 1, of Sedgley, Staffordshire, son of Isaac and Phoebe ROPER Isaac ROPER, age 1 mos, of Ecclesall Bierlow, Yorkshire, son of Andrew and Elizabeth ROPER * Isaac and Phoebe ROPER do NOT seem to appear in the 1871 English census enumeration. Neither does Andrew ROPER. But Isaac ROPER, age 10, of Ecclesall Bierlow, Yorkshire, son of Andrew and Elizabeth ROPER, DOES appear inthe 1861 Census record with his parents. This would place him with his parents in England at a time when his Isaac ROPER's 1900 Census record suggests he should already be in America. And Isaac ROPER, of Ecclesall Bierlow, seems a year too YOUNG to be Isaac ROPER, of Illinois, anyway. Isaac ROPER (b abt 1810 - ), of Sedgley, Staffordshire, at age 50, is still shown to be residing in Segley, in 1861, but he is shown to be a widower (Phoebe seems to have died) and only Esther, age 21, remains within this household. Phoebe ROPER's death is no doubt the death recorded during Sep Qtr 1858 at Dudley District, Staffordshire/Worcestershire, at Vol. 6c., Page 33. Note that this is also the year that Isaac ROPER, of Illinois seemed to come to America. * * * Accordingly, I believe that it is MOST LIKELY that the Isaac ROPER (b abt 1850 - England) shown in the 1870 and 1900 Census residing in Illinois is probably: Isaac ROPER, age 1, of Sedgley, Staffordshire, son of Isaac and Phoebe ROPER Isaac ROPER, birth registered Sep Qtr, 1849, Dudley District, Staffordshire Worcestershire, The parents are no doubt the couple shown in this parish record: Isaac ROPER m Phebe FOWNES on 02 AUG 1829 at Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England [IGI Batch No. M040144] The elder Isaac ROPER seems to possibly be: Isaac ROPER (Chr 06 JAN 1808 - Sedgley, Stafford, England), son of Abraham and Hannah ROPER [IGI Batch No. J009986] However, it should be noted that the Census of England records are suggestive that this Isaac ROPER was age 30 in 1841, age 41, in 1851, and age 50 in 1861. So we are EXPECTING Isaac to have been born about 1810. There is also another parish record which should be considered a possibility: Isaac ROPER (b 17 JUL 1805, Chr 16 SEP 1810 - Halifax, Yorkshire, England), son of Luke and Jane ROPER [C007494] But it should be noted that the year of birth 1805 may be even EARLIER. Also, The Isaac ROPER who married Phoebe named his eldest daughter Hannah and his eldest son Abraham. This is probably a pretty strong indication that these were his parents names. * * * The 1841 Census record shows: Census of England -- 1841 Cosely, Wolverhampton, Segley Parish, Staffordshire TNA Ref. No. HO107-0998, Image No. 429, Folio No. 10\16, Page No. 24 Isaac ROPER, Male, age 30, Miner, Born Within this Same County [Staffordshire] Phoebe ROPER, Female, age 30, Born Within this Same County [Staffordshire] Hannah ROPER, Female, age 9, Born Within this Same County [Staffordshire] Elizabeth ROPER, Female, age 7, Born Within this Same County [Staffordshire] Prudence ROPER, Female, age 5, Born Within this Same County [Staffordshire] Esther ROPER, Female, age 1, Born Within this Same County [Staffordshire] * * * This probably seems to be a lot of effort for an English ROPER immigrant who doesn't seem to have married or had any children. But I have found it to often be helpful to establish migration patterns which may be instructive as to the point of origin of others arriving about the same time and near the same places. * I would be interested in hearing from anyone with additional information regarding this family!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Nutall Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/785.10.1 Message Board Post: A transcription of the burial markers at Shattuck's Grove Cemetery, Spring Twp., Boone Co., IL, Compiled by Charles Drewes and Helen Maxwell Williams and contributed for the use of USGenWeb Archives shows: ROPER, Rodie [Rhoda -- Nutall] (d 1871) Burial Location: 38-1e In an adjacent plot is: ROPER, Harriet (b 1830, d 13 FEB 1871); 38-2e Source: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/il/boone/cemeteries/shatgrov.txt

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Clarke, Cole, Harrel, Harold Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/785.9.1 Message Board Post: A transcription of burial markers at Garden Prairie Cemetery, Bonus Twp, Boone Co., Illinois, by Helen Maxwell Williams, which is Posted at RootsWeb identifies the burial of: Sion ROPER (b 1810, d 31 Jan 1890) Grave Location: 14/157c Adjacent is the grave of his wife: Mary Sepha [Mary Sophia Clarke] ROPER (b 1809, d 29 Oct 1894) Grave Location: 14/157d Others who are buried within this same family plot are: Edwin C. ROPER (b 1834, d 08 Jun 1863); 14/157a Fanny Roper SACKETT (b 1847, d 26 Apr 1882), wife of Geo W. SACKETT; 14/157b Arthur A. ROPER (d 20 Jul 1870), son of M. H. [sic] & T. T.; 14/157e Lena B. ROPER (b 1871, d 29 Jul 1872), dau of J. J. & M.; 14/157f Source: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/il/boone/cemeteries/gardprar.txt * Edwin C. ROPER was Sion and Mary Sophia ROPER's son. Fanny Roper SACKETT was Sion and Mary Sophia ROPER's Daughter. Arthur A. ROPER (b Jun 1870 - CA) was the son of Horace H. and Theresa T. COLE. See my previous Post "Horace Henry ROPER (b 1835 - Debenham, Suffolk, England, Chr 09 OCT 1836 - Suffolk County Bts, Suffolk, d aft 1880 - Prob CA), son of Sion and Mary Sophia ROPER" [3 Jan 2006 9:06 AM GMT] at http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p=surnames.roper&m=785.7 . Lena B. ROPER (b 1871, d 29 Jul 1872) appears to be the daughter of John J. and Mattie ROPER, of Bonus, Boone County, IL. This appears to be the couple shown in Illinois marriage records as: John J. ROPER m Mintie HARREL or HAROLD in Boone County, IL, on 18 MAR 1869.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Nutall Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/784.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I would encourage you to take a look at my Post "Thomas ROPER (b 19 AUG 1826, Chr 11 SEP 1826 - Bedfield, Suffolk, England, d aft 1880 - Poss KS)" [14 Jan 2006 5:14 PM GMT] at http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p=surnames.roper&m=785.10 . That Post amplies and CORRECTS my speculative ascription regarding the origins of Thomas ROPER appearing in my Reply "Re: Theodore W. Roper married to Rhoda Ann Kelley" [31 Dec 2005 1:31 AM GMT] above. I am systematically working through the English origins of ALL of the ROPERs who emmigrated to America during the 19th Century. Of course, my prior suggestion that Theodore W. ROPER might have emerged from the family of Thomas ROPER was and IS SPECULATIVE, but the new evidence presented suggests yet another possibility that Thomas ROPER's eldest children were actually children of William and Rhoda NUTALL. Even if that Post is NOT helpful, perhaps some of my other Posts in this series will prove to be helpful.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Nutall, Nuthall, Goldsmith, Bloomfield, Leggett, Last, Jeffreys, Osborn, Osborne, Bugg Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/785.10 Message Board Post: Amongst the very earliest ROPERs in Illinois was Thomas ROPER (b 19 AUG 1826, Chr 11 SEP 1826 - Bedfield, Suffolk, England, d aft 1880 - Poss KS). He first apppears within the United States Census at age 33 in 1860, residing with wife Rhoda in Spring Township, Boone County, Illinois: United States Census -- 1860 Spring, Boone County, IL (Belvidere Post Office), Page 427 23 Jun 1860 Line 1, Dwelling 472, Family 465, Thos. ROPER, Age 33, Male, Farmer, RE $1,200, Pers. Estate $500, Born England Line 2, Dwelling 472, Family 465, Rhoda ROPER, Age 34, Female, Wife, Born England Line 3, Dwelling 472, Family 465, James ROPER, Age 13, Male, Born England, Attends School Line 4, Dwelling 472, Family 465, Joseph ROPER, Age 11, Male, PLACE OF BIRTH NOT SHOWN, Attends School Line 5, Dwelling 472, Family 465, Charles ROPER, Age 8, Male, PLACE OF BIRTH NOT SHOWN, Attends School Line 6, Dwelling 472, Family 465, Walter ROPER, Age 6, Male, PLACE OF BIRTH NOT SHOWN, Attends School Line 7, Dwelling 472, Family 465, Ellen ROPER, Age 4, Female, PLACE OF BIRTH NOT SHOWN, Attends School Line 8, Dwelling 472, Family 465, Frederick ROPER, Age 4/12, Male, Born Illinois [Image 27 of 28 at the Ancestry.com presentation of the 1860 Census data for this jurisdiction.] * In a previous Post "Re: Theodore W. Roper married to Rhoda Ann Kelley" [31 Dec 2005 1:31 AM GMT] at http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p=surnames.roper&m=784.1 I had speculated that this Thomas ROPER might have been of Derbyshire origins. But his appearance in such close proximity to Sion and Mary Sophia ROPER, who I have demonstrated were from Suffolk, is suggestive otherwise. Although Thomas, Rhoda and James are all shown to have been born in England, it does NOT follow that Thomas and Rhoda married there. To the contrary, extant records indicate that Thomas and Rhoda married in Boone COunty, Illinois, int he year immediately prior to the 1860 Census: Thomas ROPER m Rhoda NUTTALL on 30 Apr 1859, at Boone, Illinois. [IGI Batch No. M730351] This explains the gap between the ages of Ellen and Frederick ROPER. While James is shown to have been born in England, a place of birth is NOT given in the 1860 Census record for Joseph, Charles, Wlater and Ellen. * In searching for a Thomas ROPER of the correct age in Suffolk, I found the best match to be: Thomas ROPER (b 19 AUG 1826, Chr 11 SEP 1826 - Bedfield, Suffolk, England), son of Ann ROPER [IGI Batch No. C131711] Another very close match is: Thomas ROPER (Chr 03 JUN 1827 - Redgrave Cum Botesdale, Suffolk, England), son of Osborn and Pleusance ROPER Bedfield is about 10 km due East of Wetheringsett, the place of origin of Sion ROPER, Thomas ROPER's neighbor in Spring TOwnship. Redgrave is about twelve km to the Northwest of Wetheringsett. Searching in the 1841 Census of England, I found a Thomas ROPER of the correct age residing within the household of Lionel and Fanny ROPER: Census of England -- 1841 Bull's Hall, Bedfied, Suffolk Enumeration District 4, Registrar's District Dennington, Superintendent's Registrar's District Hoxne TNA Ref. No. HO107-1025, Image No. 54, Folio No. 6, Page No. 6 Lionel ROPER, Male, Age 50, Ag Labor, Born Within this Same County [Suffolk] Fanny ROPER, Female, Age 30, Born Within this Same County [Suffolk] Mary ROPER, Female, Age 80, Born Within this Same County [Suffolk] Thomas ROPER, Male, Age 15, Born Within this Same County [Suffolk] Walter ROPER, Male, Age 8, Born Within this Same County [Suffolk] [The original image of this Census record may be obtained online from at the subscription based web site of OriginsNetwork.com.] There is also a somewhat older Thomas ROPER, age 18, an Ironmonger's Apprentice, residing within the household of David and Emma GOLDSMITH at Corn Hill, in Bury St. Edmonds, Suffolk. And there is a somewhat younger Thomas ROPER, age 12, residing with Henry ROPER, age 72, at Barn Field Cottage, Honington, Suffolk. This Henry ROPER appears to be a particularly wealthy farmer. There are a total of twelve Thomas ROPERs age 13 to 17 shown in the 1841 Census. The Thomas ROPER residing within the household of Lionel ROPER is the ONLY one of these who seems to have been born in Suffolk. I was initially inclined to believe that the appearance of the name "Walter" amongst Thomas and Rhoda ROPER's children also supported this ascription (note the appearance of Walton ROPER in the household of Lionel and Fanny ROPER), but for reasons explained below, I no longer believe that this is argument has any merit. There does NOT appear to be any Thomas ROPER living within the household of an Osborn ROPER in 1841. The ascription of Thomas ROPER, of Illinois, as the Thomas ROPER (b 19 AUG 1826, Chr 11 SEP 1826 - Bedfield, Suffolk, England), son of Ann ROPER, is far from certain. It would be a good idea to examine Thomas ROPER's Illinois marriage record and any extant death record, including burial marker to be more confident. It would also probably be a good idea to get a look at the Suffolk death records showing deaths of: Thomas ROPER, death recorded Sep Qtr 1839, Mildenhall District, Suffolk, Vol. 13, Page 219 Thomas ROPER, death recorded March Qtr 1843, Hoxne District, Norfolk/Suffolk, Vol. 13, Page 3?7 * Finding Thomas ROPER in the 1851 Census was somewhat more problematic. One EXPECTED to be looking for a Thomas ROPER with a son James ROPER (b abt 1847) and possibly a Joseph ROPER (b abt 1849). If Joseph ROPER was born in America, we would expect to look for Thomas in the United States in 1850. If Joseph was born in England, then we would expect to find Thomas in Engalnd in 1851. * * * To better understand this family, I looked at the 1870 Census record: United States Census -- 1870 Spring Township, Boone County, Illinois, Page 17*, 18 (Page Imprinted "469") 25 Jul 1870 Line 39, Dwelling 128, Family 124, ROPER, Thomas, Age 43, Male, White, Farmer, RE $4,800, Pers. Estate $800, Born England, Father Foreign Born, Mother Foreign Born Line 40, Dwelling 128, Family 124, ROPER, Roda [Rhoda], Age 44, Female, White, Keeping House, Born England, Father Foreign Born, Mother Foreign Born * Line 1, ROPER, Chs.[Charles], Age 19, Male, White, Farm Help, Born England, Father Foreign Born, Mother Foreign Born, Attends School Line 2, ROPER, Walter, Age 16, Male, White, Farm Help, Born Illinois, Father Foreign Born, Mother Foreign Born, Attends School Line 3, ROPER, Ellin, Age 14, Female, White, At Home, Born Illinois, Father Foreign Born, Mother Foreign Born, Attends School Line 4, ROPER, Fred, Age 10, Male, White, Born Illinois, Father Foreign Born, Mother Foreign Born, Attends School Line 5, ROPER, Mary, Age 8, Female, White, Born Illinois, Father Foreign Born, Mother Foreign Born, Attends School Line 6, ROPER, Wm., Age 6, Male, White, Born Illinois, Father Foreign Born, Mother Foreign Born, Attends School Line 7, ROPER, Ruben, Age 3, Male, White, Born Illinois, Father Foreign Born, Mother Foreign Born Line 8, JAMP?, Percy Age 22, Male, White, Born England, Father Foreign Born, Mother Foreign Born, Attends School * NOTE: Thomas and Rhoda ROPER are enumerated on the SAME Census page as Sion and Mary Sophia ROPER in 1870. [Image 17, 19 of 27 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1870 Census data for this jurisdiction. NOTE -- Page 18, is OUT OF SEQUENCE and appears at Image 19 rather than Image 18.] As is readily apparent, James and Joseph ROPER are no longer living in their father's household. But now it is asserted that Charles ROPER, age 19 (b abt 1851), was born in ENGLAND. And Charles was YOUNGER than Joseph ROPER. Joseph ROPER is NOT readily identifiable in the 1870 U.S. Census enumeration. * There is precisely ONE Thomas ROPER born in Suffolk who seems to be of the correct age to be Thomas ROPER (b 19 AUG 1826, Chr 11 SEP 1826 - Bedfield, Suffolk, England, d aft 1880 - Poss KS). This is a Thomas ROPER shown to be residing as a Lodger within the household of Charlotte BLOOMFIELD in Cotton, Suffolk. THis Thomas ROPER is shown to have been born in "Bitfield [sic] Suffolk". This seems likely to be a reference to Bedfield (there seems to be no such place as "Bitfield" anyway). Census of England -- 1851 Cotton, Suffolk Cottage, Charlotte BLOOMFIELD, Head, Widow, Female, Age 65, Born Suffolk Cotton George LEGGETT, Grandson, Male, Age 9, Born Suffolk Cotton Thomas ROPER, Ledger, Unm, Male, Age 22, Ag Lab, Born Suffolk Bitfield [Image 24 of 31 at the Ancestry.com presentation of the 1851 Census of England data for this jurisdiction.] This presents two problems. First, this Thomas ROPER appears to be UNMARRIED. And second the eldest children, James and Joseph ROPER, are NOT present in this household. * This problem is readily explained by Thomas ROPER's 1859 marriage to Rhoda NUTALL. The elder ROPER children in the Thomas and Rhoda ROPER household are Rhoda's children, but NOT Thomas ROPER's biological children. Consider this 1851 Census record for William and Rhoda NUTALL in Swindon, Wiltshire: Census of England -- 1851 Bath Street, Swindon, Wiltshire William NUTALL, Head, Married, Male, Age 33, Mechanic, Born Bornet Berry, Wiltshire Rhoda NUTALL, Wife, Married, Female, Age 24, Born Lyddiard, Wilshire James NUTALL, Son, Unm, Male, Age 4, Born Swindon, Wiltshire Joseph NUTALL, Son, Unm, Male, Age 2, Born Swindon, Wiltshire [Image 60 of 73 at the Ancestry.com presentation of the 1851 Census of England data for this jurisdiction.] It therefore appears to me to be LIKELY that ALL of the ROPER children shown in Thomas and Rhoda ROPER's household in 1860 EXCEPT FOR Frederick -- James, Joseph, Charles, Walter, Ellen -- were likely to have been children of William and Rhoda NUTALL. I will leave further proof of this ascription to those with a singular interest in this family. Frederick, Mary, William and Reuben ROPER appear to be children of Thomas and Rhoda (Nutall) ROPER. * * This family next appears in 1880 in Kansas: United States Census -- 1880 Lincoln, Washington County, Kansas, Enumeration District 326, Page 1 (Page Imprinted 573) 01 Jun 1880 Line 24, Dwelling 7, Family 7, ROPER, Thomas, White, Male, Age 50, Married, Farmer, Born England, Father, Born England, Mother Born England Line 25, Dwelling 7, Family 7, ROPER, Charles, White, Male, Age 28, Son, Single, Farmer, Born England, Father Born England, Mother Born England Line 26, Dwelling 7, Family 7, ROPER, Frederick, White, Male, Age 20, Son, Single, Farmer, Born Illinois, Father Born England, Mother Born England Line 27, Dwelling 7, Family 7, ROPER, William, White, Male, Age 17, Son, Single, Farmer, Born Illinois, Father Born England, Mother Born England Line 28, Dwelling 7, Family 7, ROPER, Reuben, White, Male, Age 14, Son, Single, Farmer, Born Illinois, Father Born England, Mother Born England [Image 1 of 29 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1880 Census data for this jurisdiction.] Again, we see that Charles [Nutall] ROPER was born in England. * * * While the ascription of Thomas ROPER as the son of Ann ROPER remains SPECULATIVE and Ann's relationship with Lionel is also uncertain, it is appropriate to at least explore further where Lionel ROPER fits into the Suffolk ROPER family: Lionel ROPER (06 DEC 1789 - Wetheringsett, Suffolk, England), son of Stephen and Mary ROPER [IGI Batch No. 7710361] Note that this brings Thomas ROPER's family back to Wetheringsett, where we first found Sion ROPER. In turn, Lionel ROPER's father Stephen ROPER would appear to be: Stephen ROPER (Chr 04 JAN 1762 - Wetheringsett, Suffolk, England), son of Robert and Fanny ROPER [IGI Batch No. 7710361] And this Stephen ROPER seems to have married a Mary LAST: Stephen ROPER m Mary LAST on 19 NOV 1782 at Wetheringsett, Suffolk, England [IGI Batch No. 7710361] This seems likely to be the Mary ROPER, age 80, shown in Lionel ROPER's 1841 Census record, so Mary LAST (b abt 1761 - Suffolk). This record seems to explain Mary LAST's origins: Mary LAST (Chr 10 JUN 1762 - Wetheringsett Cum Brockford, Suffolk, England), dau of John and Mary LAST [IGI Batch No. 8719730] Stephen ROPER's father appears likely to be: Robert ROPER (Chr 09 APR 1733 - Wetheringsett, Suffolk, England), son of John and Margaret ROPER [IGI Batch No. 7710361] And this Robert ROPER married a Fanny JEFFREYS: Robert ROPER m Fanny JEFFERYS on 12 DEC 1759 at Wetheringsett, Suffolk, England [IGI Batch No. 7710361] One possible explanation for the parents of this Robert ROPER would seem to be: John ROPER m Margaret OSBORN in 1717 Great Barton, Suffolk [IGI Batch No. A458529] I would use caution with this record as it is a secondary record and the marriage date is far less precise than in other instances. There is also a marriage record showing: John ROOPER m Mary BUGG 25 NOV 1702 at Wetheringsett, Suffolk, England [IGI Batch No. 7710361] This MIGHT be the SAME John ROPER. * * * Someone with a singular interest in this ROPER family might want to make a thorough investigation of extant records proximate to Wetheringsett, including Wills, deeds and other transactional records. It appears to me, though, that Thomas ROPER and Sion ROPER are generally of the SAME ROPER family seated at Wetheringsett, Suffolk, since before 1700. THIS FAMILY ALSO PRESENT AN INTERESTING INSTANCE OF A "SURNAME" BREAK. OF COURSE, THE ELDEST CHILDREN ARE CERTAINLY ROPER'S IN THAT THEY WERE ADOPTED AND RAISED WITHIN THE THOMAS ROPER FAMILY. BUT GENETICALLY THE ELDER CHILDREN SHOULD PROVE TO BE WILTSHIRE NUTALLS. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO OBTAIN DNA TEST SUBJECTS FROM DESCENDANTS OF BOTH THE NUTALL-ROPERS AND THE WETHERINGSETT ROPER FAMILY! * * I would appreciate receiving Posts in Reply from those with additional information about this ROPER family!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Clarke, Avey Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/785.9 Message Board Post: In several previous Posts within this message thread, I have discussed several children of Sion and Mary Sophia ROPER. These Posts to date have included: "Spencer ROPER (b Jun 1841 - Wetheringsett, Suffolk, England, d aft 1930), son of Sion and Sophia ROPER" [31 Dec 2005 6:48 AM GMT] http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/message/rw/surnames.roper/785.1 "Horace Henry ROPER (b 1835 - Debenham, Suffolk, England, Chr 09 OCT 1836 - Suffolk County Bts, Suffolk, d aft 1880 - Prob CA), son of Sion and Mary Sophia ROPER" [3 Jan 2006 9:06 AM GMT] http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/message/rw/surnames.roper/785.7 "Rosa Jane ROPER (b Sep 1851, Chr 14 MAR 1852 - Suffolk County Bts, Suffolk, England), dau of Sion and Sophia ROPER" [3 Jan 2006 12:54 AM GMT] http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/message/rw/surnames.roper/785.8 * * * Within these Posts, I have also shared the following transcriptions of Census information relating to Sion and Mary Sophia ROPER: Census of England -- 1851 Wetheringsett, Suffolk: No. 60, Sion ROPER, Head, Married, Age 41, Farmer 50 acres emplying 1 man, Born Suffolk, Wetheringsett. Sophia ROPER, Wife, Married, Age 42, Farmers Wife, Suffolk, Bury St. Edmonds Julia ROPER, Daughter, Unm, Age 18, Farmer's Dau, Suffolk Mendlesham Edwin ROPER, Son, Unm, Age 16, Farmer's Son, Suffolk Debenham Horace ROPER, Son, Unm, Age 15, Farmer's Son, Suffolk Debenham Annah ROPER, Daughter, Age 12, Scholar, Suffolk Wetheringsett John ROPER, Son, Age 11, Scholar, Suffolk Wetheringsett Spencer ROPER, Son, Age 9, Scholar, Suffolk Wetheringsett Laura ROPER, Daughter, Age 6, Suffolk Wetheringsett Fanny ROPER, Daughter, Age 4, Suffolk Wetheringsett [Image 18 of 29 at the Ancestry.com presentation of the 1851 Census data for this jurisdiction.] * United States Census -- 1860 Spring, Boone County, IL (Belvidere Post Office), Page 415 17 Jun 1860 Line 1, Dwelling 372, Family 367, Sion ROPER, age 48, Male, Farmer, RE $1,500, Pers Estate $400, Born England Line 2, Dwelling 372, Family 367, Sofe [Sophia] ROPER, age 45, Female, Wife, Born England Line 3, Dwelling 372, Family 367, Resa ROPER, age 9, Female, Born England Line 4, Dwelling 372, Family 367, Spencer ROPER, age 15, Male, Born England [Image 15 of 28 at the Ancestry.com presentation of the 1860 Census data for this jurisdiction.] * United States Census -- 1870 Spring Township, Boone County, Illinois, Page 17 (Page Imprinted "469") 25 Jul 1870 Line 8, Dwelling 120, Family 117, ROPER, Sion, Age 61, Male, White, Farmer, RE $2,500, Pers. Estate $800, Born England, Father Foreign Born, Mother Foreign Born, Male U.S. Citizen Age 21 or more Line 9, Dwelling 120, Family 117, ROPER, Mary, Age 61, Female, White, Keeping House, Born England, Father Foreign Born, Mother Foreign Born Line 10, Dwelling 120, Family 117, ROPER, Horace H., Age 35, Male, White, Carpenter & Joiner, RE $3,500, Pers. Estate $500, Born England, Father Foreign Born, Mother Foreign Born, Male U.S. Citizen Age 21 or more Line 11, Dwelling 120, Family 117, ROPER, Rosa, Age 19, Female, White, At Home, Born England, Father Foreign Born, Mother Foreign Born Line 12, Dwelling 120, Family 117, ROPER, Arthur A., Age 11/12, Male, White, Born California, Father Foreign Born, Born June. [Image 17 of 27 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1870 Census data for this jurisdiction.] * * * These additional records give us an earlier and later understanding of this couple: Census of England -- 1841 Wetheringsett, Suffolk Sion ROPER, Male, Age 30, Farmer, Born within Same County Sophia ROPER, Female, Age 30, Born within Same County Horace ROPER, Male, Age 5, Born within Same County Anna ROPER, Female, Age 4, Born within Same County John ROPER, Male, Age 1, Born within Same County Marian ROPER, Female, Age 30, Born within Same County Arthur ROPER, Male, Age 9 mos, Born within Same County Emily GOOLD, Female, Age 15, "F.S." [Female Servant?], Born within Same County John LUFF?, Male, Age 15, "M.S." [Male Servant?], Born within Same County [This transcription is taken from the Census image at the subscription based OriginsNetwork.com site. The original image can be obtained from this site.] * United States Census -- 1880 Bonus, Boone County, Illinois, Page 16 19 Jun 1880 Line 20, Family 186, ROPER, Sion, White, Male, Age 71, Married, Retired Farmer, Born England, Father Born England, Mother Born England Line 21, Family 186, ROPER, Sepha, White, Female, Age 71, Wife, Married, Keeping House, Born England, Father Born England, Mother Born England [Image 16 of 20 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1880 Census data for this jurisdiction.] * * * Parish records for the children include these entries: Julia Maria ROPER (Chr 12 JAN 1834 - Debenham, Suffolk, England), dau of Sion and Mary Sophy ROPER [IGI Batch No. C131791] Edwin Clerk ROPER (Chr 07 JUN 1834 - Debenham, Suffolk, England), son of Siam and Sepha ROPER [IGI Batch No. C131791]* Horace Henry ROPER (Chr 09 OCT 1836 - Suffolk County Bts, Suffolk, England), son of Lionn and Mary Sophia ROPER [IGI Batch No. C131811] Edwin Clarke ROPER (Chr 09 OCT 1836 - Suffolk County Bts, Suffolk, England), son of Lionn and Mary Sophia ROPER [IGI Batch No. C131811]* John ROPER (b 11 MAR 1839, Chr 08 FEB 1841 - Saint Anne Soho, Westminster, London, England), son of John and Sophia ROPER [IGI Batch No. C062361]** Laura ROPER (Chr 14 MAR 1852 - Suffolk County Bts, Suffolk, England), dau of Sion and Sophia ROPER [IGI Batch No. C131972] Fanny Ellen ROPER (Chr 14 MAR 1852 - Suffolk County Bts, Suffolk, England)), dau of Sion and Sophia ROPER [IGI Batch No. C131972] Rosa Jane ROPER (Chr 14 MAR 1852 - Suffolk County Bts, Suffolk, England)), dau of Sion and Sophia ROPER [IGI Batch No. C131972] * Note the recognition of Sophia's maiden name "CLARKE". ** Speculative ascription * * * Scrutiny of additional primary sources reveals these additional references to Sion and Mary Sophia ROPER: Suffolk: Sudbury - Marriage Licences, 1815-1839 12.The Hearth Tax. Charles 2nd. Allegations for Marriage Licences in the Archdeaconry of Sudbury, Suffolk. Book 40. 1828-9-30-31. County: Suffolk Country: England Sion ROPER, of Mendlesham, s. m., & Mary Sepha [sic] CLARKE, of Rickinghall Superior, s. w., at same. 13 Oct 1831 * A sketch of the town of Wetheringsett cum Brockford appears at pages 349 and 350 of the "Suffolk History, Gazetteer, and Directory, 1844". A John ROPER and Sion ROPER are identified in that sketch as farmers and OWNERS of their farms. * * * Mary Sophia CLARKE might be the child shown in the parish record: Mary CLARKE (b 19 APR 1811, Chr 18 JUN 1813 - St James, Bury Saint Edmunds, Suffolk, England), dau of Robert CLARKE and Elizabeth AVEY [IGI Batch No. C132211] The 1851 Census record indicates that Mary Sophia was born in Bury St. Edmonds. * * * I would be interested in hearing from those with any additional information regarding this Suffolk ROPER family!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper Classification: Census Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/785.2.2.1 Message Board Post: In my previous Post, I identified Edwin ROPER (Chr 24 SEP 1817 - Saint Matthew, Walsall, Stafford, England) as the son of Nicholas ROPER and Sarah HANDY. This Post was intended to DISTINGUISH this Edwin ROPER from an Edward ROPER born about the same time. I have subsequently identified an 1841 England Census record showing Edwin ROPER residing in the household of his father Nicholas ROPER and brothers William and Nicholas ROPER, Jr.: Census of England -- 1841 New Street, Township of Walsall, Borough of Walsall, Staffordshire, England Household Number 1155, Enumeration District 8 TNA Ref. No. HO107-0983, Image No. 165, Folio No. 4\25, Page No. 9 Nicholas ROPER, Male, Age 45, "Curb? Chain m", Born within same County (Staffordshire) William ROPER, Male, Age 20, "Curb? Chain m", Born within same County (Staffordshire) Edwin ROPER, Male, Age 20, "Curb? Chain m", Born within same County (Staffordshire) Nicholas ROPER Jr., Male, Age 15, Saddler, Born within same County (Staffordshire) George ARNOLD, Male, Age 15, NOT Born within same County The original image of this Census record may be obtained online from at the subscription based web site of OriginsNetwork.com. The elder Nicholas ROPER, who is shown in the Census record to have been born about 1796 seems most likely to be the Nicholas ROPER born in Walsall to Joseph and Patience ROPER: Nicholas ROPER (Chr 28 SEP 1792 - Saint Matthew, Walsall, Stafford, England), son of Joseph and Patience ROPER [IGI Batch No. C010307]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/785.5.1 Message Board Post: In my previous Post above, I speculated that George ROPER (b abt 1830 - England, d aft 1880 - Prob Denver, CO) was the son of a Gorge and Meriam ROPER, who were enumerated in the 1851 Census residing in District 4e, Chesterfield, Derbyshire. I have subsequently located the 1841 Census record for this same family and it shows George ROPER, age 11, residing within the household. The 1841 Census of England does NOT show the relationship of members of each household, but George appears within what appears to be a natural sequence of children. Here is what the 1841 Census record reveals: Census of England -- 1841 Church Lane, Parish of Chesterfield, Borough of Chesterfield, Derbyshire Household Number 1196, Enumeration District 10 TNA Ref. No. HO107-0194, Image No. 171, Folio No. 3\44, Page No. 13 John ROPER, Male, age 30, Plasterer, Born within the County (Derbyshire) Marian ROPER, Female, age 30, Born within the County (Derbyshire) Elizabeth ROPER, Female, age 12, Born within the County (Derbyshire) George ROPER, Male, age 11, Born within the County (Derbyshire) Richard ROPER, Male, age 8, within the County (Derbyshire) John ROPER, Male, age 4, Born within the County (Derbyshire) Sarah ROPER, Female, age 1, Born within the County (Derbyshire) The original image of this Census record is available at the subscription based website OriginsNetwork.com. * This Census record also gives us two independent observations of teh ages of the parents John ROPER and Meriam or Marian ROPER. John is shown to be age 30 in 1841 (b abt 1811) and age 45 in 1851 (b abt 1806). Meriam or Merian is shown to be age 30 in 1841 (b abt 1811) and age 44 in 1851 (b abt 1807). Hopefully, this information will give researchers with a singular interest in this family a bit of traction!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Beckington Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/785.8 Message Board Post: As pointed out in his Post "Re: Horace Henry ROPER (b 1835 - Debenham, Suffolk, England, Chr 09 OCT 1836 - Suffolk County Bts, Suffolk, d aft 1880 - Prob CA), son of Sion and Mary Sophia ROPER" (3 Jan 2006 1:04 PM GMT), Dave ROPER correctly points out that Rosa Jane ROPER married Oliver BECKINGTON in Boone County, IL, on 25 MAR 1875. This marriage was also shown in my Post "Illinois Statewide ROPER Marriages from 1763-1900 BY COUNTY" (20 Apr 2005 1:38 AM GMT) at http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p=surnames.roper&m=750 : "ROPER, ROSA J -- BECKINGTON, OLIVER: BOONE COUNTY; 3/25/1875; ; 00001656" * This Oliver BECKINGTON (b abt 1849 - England) is shown on the SAME Census in Spring Township, Boone County, page as Sion and Sophia ROPER: United States Census -- 1870 Spring Township, Boone County, Illinois, Page 17 (Page Imprinted "469") 25 Jul 1870 Line 38, Dwelling 127, Family 123, BECKINGTON, Oliver, Age 21, Male, White, Farmer, RE $2,400, Pers. Estate $100, Born England, Father Foreign Born, Mother Foreign Born, Male U.S. Citizen Age 21 or more [Image 17 of 27 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1870 Census data for this jurisdiction.] * For the 1870 Census record of Sion and Mary Sophia ROPER see my Post: "Horace Henry ROPER (b 1835 - Debenham, Suffolk, England, Chr 09 OCT 1836 - Suffolk County Bts, Suffolk, d aft 1880 - Prob CA), son of Sion and Mary Sophia ROPER" [3 Jan 2006 9:06 AM GMT] http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p=surnames.roper&m=785.7 * The 1851 and 1860 Census records for Sion and Sophia ROPER are shown in my Post: "Spencer ROPER (b Jun 1841 - Wetheringsett, Suffolk, England, d aft 1930), son of Sion and Sophia ROPER" [31 Dec 2005 6:48 AM GMT] http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p=surnames.roper&m=785.1 * In 1880, Oliver and Rosa Jane Roper BECKINGTON were enumerated in Belvidere, Boone County, IL: United States Census -- 1880 Belvidere, Boone County, Illinois, Page 26 10 Jun 1880 Line 18, Dwelling, 313, Family 313, BECKINGTON, Oliver, White, Male, Age 31, Married, Auctioneer, Born Illinois, Father Born England, Mother Born England Line 19, Dwelling, 313, Family 313, BECKINGTON, Rosa J., White, Female, Age 29, Wife, Married, Keeping House, Born England, Father Born England, Mother Born England Line 20, Dwelling, 313, Family 313, BECKINGTON, Thomas S., White, Male, Age 3, Son, Born Illinois, Father Born Illinois, Mother Born England Line 21, Dwelling, 313, Family 313, BECKINGTON, Fannie., White, Female, Age 8/12, Daughter, Born Illinois, Father Born Illinois, Mother Born England [Image 26 of 34 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1880 Census data for this jurisdiction.] * In 1900, Rosa Jane Roper BECKINGTON was still residing in Belvidere with her four children, but Oliver had passed away: United States Census -- 1900 628 South State Street, Belvidere, Boone County, Illinois, Sheet 3B 02 Jun 1900 Line 76, Dwelling, 68, Family 77, BECKINGTON, Rosa, Head, White, Female, Born Sep 1851, Age 48, Widow, 4 Children, 4 Children Living, Born England, Father Born England, Mother Born England, Immigrated 1854 Line 77, Dwelling, 68, Family 77, BECKINGTON, Thomas S., Son, White, Male, Born Jan 1877, Age 23, Single, Born Illinois, Father Born Illinois, Mother Born England, Machinist Line 78, Dwelling, 68, Family 77, BECKINGTON, Annie E., Daughter, White, Female, Born May 1880, Age 20, Single, Born Illinois, Father Born Illinois, Mother Born England Line 79, Dwelling, 68, Family 77, BECKINGTON, Olivia Ruth., Daughter, White, Female, Born Mar 1882, Age 18, Single, Born Illinois, Father Born Illinois, Mother Born England Line 80, Dwelling, 68, Family 77, BECKINGTON, Lulu B., Daughter, White, Female, Born Sep 1887, Age 12, Single, Born Illinois, Father Born Illinois, Mother Born England, At School [Image 6 of 51 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1900 Census data for this jurisdiction.] * Rosa Jane Roper BECKINGTON's daughter Olive BECKINGTON (b Mar 1882 - IL) is also shown residing with her brother and sister-in-law Spencer and Emeline ROPER. [See my Post "Spencer ROPER (b Jun 1841 - Wetheringsett, Suffolk, England, d aft 1930), son of Sion and Sophia ROPER" [31 Dec 2005 6:48 AM GMT]. * Rosa Jane ROPER's birth record seems likely to be the record recorded during December Quarter 1852 at Sudbury District, Essex / Suffolk at Volume 4a, Page 363.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Baxter Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/785.1.1 Message Board Post: The identity of Spencer ROPER's (b Jun 1841 - Suffolk, England, d aft 1930) wife Emeline appears to be Emeline BAXTER, as shown in my previous Post "Illinois Statewide ROPER Marriages from 1763-1900 BY COUNTY" (20 Apr 2005 1:38 AM GMT) at http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p=surnames.roper&m=750 : "ROPER, L I -- BAXTER, EMELINE: BOONE COUNTY; 5/7/1873; ; 00001487" It appears to me that the "L" in the indicated index reference is a mistranscription of "S" for "Spencer". Bear in mind that Spencer ROPER was residing in Boone County, IL, with his parents Sion and Sophia ROPER, in 1860. Also, note that Spencer's name is shown as "I. Spencer ROPER" in the 1880 Census record. And note that the English Civil Registration Index shows his name as "Spencer Isaac ROPER". * Emeline BAXTER (b Jul 1842 - IL) seems to be the daughter of John and Harriett BAXTER, age 63 and 54, respectively, of Spring Township, Boone County, Illinois. She is shown as "Emaline BAXTER" in the 1870 Census enumeration.