This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Grayham,Roper,Hendilide,Thomas Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/797 Message Board Post: Looking for parent of Finos Grayham 1930 Okla. census,Mclain co.,Muncrief township Finos Cleveland Grayham age 47 born tx parents TN wife Rhoda (Roper) age 38 age 38 born OK son Roy Lance age 19 born OK dau Jewel L. age 14 born OK son Arlie Frank age 10 born OK dau Grace A. age 8 born OK son Melvin J. age 5 born OK son Donal S age 10/12 born OK 1900 Chickasaw Terr.,(Garvin co) William F. Grayham born Apr 1874 TN age 26 wife Lillie born Sept 1879 TX age 20 son Alfred born Nov 1895 Indian Terr. brother Finus (Finos) born Jun 1883 TX parents born TN

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Martin Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/kgDBAEB/3.13.1.6.2 Message Board Post: I am doing research for a direct descendant of Aaron David Roper and Mary J. Martin, the couple that you suspect are grandparents of your Verner. We have found that A. D. goes back to Lumpkin County, Georgia, and we suspect he is the son of Aaron Roper and his wife Elizabeth, who appear in the 1860 Census for Henry County, Georgia. I am sure that my client would be happy to share any data that she has with you, but I will need to contact her for verification. My e-mail address is [email protected] and my name is Lisa Schaefer.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/796.1 Message Board Post: In my previous Post, I asserted that Mary SMITH, of Lewisham, Kent, was likely to be John and Esther ROPER's daughter. Clearly, this does NOT make sense. Mary SMITH must have been their daughter-in-law, married to a son of John and Esther ROPER. Elijah ROPER, shown to be age 9, seems likely to be the child shown in the English Civil Registration Index as Simeon Elijah ROPER, whose birth was registered at Downham District, Cambridgeshire / Norfolk during June Quarter 1840 [Volume 13, Page 73]. It would appear that Frederick and Elijah ROPER's father died between 1840 and 1851.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Rope, Mason, Dawkins, Howlett, Morley, Coper, Collen, Reeve, Lister, Marshall Classification: Census Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/796 Message Board Post: This is a transcription of the census records of ROPER enumerated in the 1841 Census of England residing within Cambridgeshire. Census of England – 1841 HH No. 255, Fulbourn, Registrar’s District Fulbourn (Enumeration District 1), Supt. Registrar’s District Chesterton, Cambridgeshire TNA Ref. No. HO107-0067, Image No. 53, Folio No. 4, Page No. 66 William MASON, Male, Age 70, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Mary MASON, Female, Age 68, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Mary Ann ROPE, Male, Age 8, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] * * Census of England – 1841 HH No. 255, Fulbourn, Registrar’s District Fulbourn (Enumeration District 1), Supt. Registrar’s District Chesterton, Cambridgeshire TNA Ref. No. HO107-0067, Image No. 53, Folio No. 4, Page No. 66 William MASON, Male, Age 70, Shepherd, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Mary MASON, Female, Age 68, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Mary Ann ROPE, Male, Age 8, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] [Apparently a duplicate.] * * Census of England – 1841 HH No. 466, Fulbourn, (Enumeration District 2), Supt. Registrar’s District Chesterton, Cambridgeshire TNA Ref. No. HO107-0067, Image No. 86, Folio No. 10, Page No. 15 John ROPE, Male, Age 60, Ag. Lab., Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Mary ROPE, Female, Age 55, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Richard ROPE, Male, Age 30, Ag. Lab., Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Henry ROPE, Male, Age 25, Ag. Lab., Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] On the SAME Census page, the entry immediately above that of John and Mary ROPE was: Census of England – 1841 HH No. 466, Fulbourn, (Enumeration District 2), Supt. Registrar’s District Chesterton, Cambridgeshire TNA Ref. No. HO107-0067, Image No. 86, Folio No. 10, Page No. 15 William ROPE, Male, Age 35, Ag. Lab., Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Rebecca ROPE, Female, Age 30, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] William ROPE, Male, Age 12, Ag. Lab., Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Stephen ROPE, Male, Age 10, Ag. Lab., Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Mary Anne ROPE, Female, Age 8, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Richard ROPE, Male, Age 6, Ag. Lab., Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] * * Census of England – 1841 HH No. 475, Fulbourn, Registrar’s District Fulbourn (Enumeration District 2), Supt. Registrar’s District Chesterton, Cambridgeshire TNA Ref. No. HO107-0067, Image No. 87, Folio No. 11, Page No. 17 John ROPE, Male, Age 40, Ag. Lab.., Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Mary ROPE, Female, Age 30, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] John ROPE, Male, Age 13, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Harriet ROPE, Female, Age 11, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] David ROPE, Male, Age 8, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] George ROPE, Male, Age 6, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] * * Census of England – 1841 Watrerbeach, Registrar’s District Willingham (Enumeration District 18), Supt. Registrar’s District Chesterton, Cambridgeshire TNA Ref. No. HO107-0069, Image No. 195, Folio No. 11, Page No. 16 Denny End, Robert ROPER, Male, Age 20, Ag.Lab., NOT Born Within the Same County [NOT Cambridgeshire] Mary ROPER, Female, Age 20, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Edward ROPER, Male, Age 1, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] * * In 1851, Edward ROPER, age 10, is shown to be residing with grandparents James and Sarah BULL, age 65 and 66, respectively at Waterbeach. This Edward ROPER is shown to have been born at Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire. Presumably, James and Sarah BULL are Mary ROPER’s parents. Tere is a marriage record recorded at Chestron District, Cambridgeshire during Sept. Quarter 1839 of a Robert ROPER and a Mary Ann BULL [Volume 14, Page 83]. * * Census of England – 1841 HH No. 900, Waterbeach, Willingham Registrar District (Enumeration District 20), Supt. Registrar’s District Chesterton, Cambridgeshire TNA Ref. No. HO107-0069, Image No. 226, Folio No. 5, Page No. 4 Joist Fen, William ROPER, Male, Age 35, Ag. Lab., NOT Born Within the Same County [NOT Cambridgeshire] Sarah ROPER, Female, Age 35, NOT Born Within the Same County [NOT Cambridgeshire] William ROPER, Male, Age 5, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Sarah ROPER, Female, Age 2, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] John ROPER, Male, Age 3 mos, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] * * In 1851, William and Sarah ROPER, aged 46 and 46, respectively, are shown to be residing at 36 Village Street, Landbeach, Cambridgeshire, with children: William, age 15, Sarah, age 11, Trevor, age 7,and Mary, age 4. This William ROPER is shown to have been born South Lopham, Norfolk. Sarah is shown to have been born at Langford, Derbyshire, England. The children are all shown to have been born at Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire. A James and Mary Ann [Dawkins] ROPER, age 35 and 34, respectively, with children James, age 4, and Sarah, age 1, as well as mother-in-law Sarah DAWKINS, age 64, and nephews Samuel and William HOWLETT, age 16 and 13, are residing at Waterbeach, Cambridgeshire. James ROPER is shown to have been born at South Lapham, Norfolk. The wife and children were born at Waterbeach. * * Census of England – 1841 HH No. 114, Balsham, Registrar’s District Balsham (Enumeration District 2), Supt. Registrar’s District Linton, Cambridgeshire TNA Ref. No. HO107-0071, Image No. 26, Folio No. 5, Page No. 4 Samuel ROPE, Male, Age 25, ?????., Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Catharine ROPE, Female, Age 25, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Lucy A. ROPE, Female, Age 9 mos, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] * * Census of England – 1841 Fordham, Registrar’s District Soham (Enumeration District 7), Supt. Registrar’s District Newmarket, Cambridgeshire TNA Ref. No. HO107-0073, Image No. 87, Folio No. 4, Page No. 2 Market Street, William ROPER, Male, Age 29, Fishmonger, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Ann ROPER, Female, Age 33, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Sophia ROPER, Female, Age 11, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Robert ROPER, Male, Age 3, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Elizabeth ROPER, Female, Age 2, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Ann ROPER, Female, Age 1, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] * In 1851, William and Ann ROPER, age 30 and 44, respectively, are shown to be residing at 7 Market Street, Fordham, Cambridgeshire with children: Robert, age 13, and Ann, age 10. William ROPER is shown to be a Skin Buyer and Ann is shown to be a dressmaker. All are shown to have been born in Fordham, Cambridgeshire. * * Census of England – 1841 Fordham, Registrar’s District Soham (Enumeration District 7), Supt. Registrar’s District Newmarket, Cambridgeshire TNA Ref. No. HO107-0073, Image No. 93, Folio No. 10, Page No. 14 Mill Lane, John ROPER, Male, Age 66, Farmer, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Ester ROPER, Female, Age 56, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Louisa ROPER, Female, Age 20, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Sarah ROPER, Female, Age 90, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] * In 1851, Esther ROPER, age 69, is shown to be the Head of household of a family including daughters Kitty, age 42, Caroline, age 36, Louisa, age 34, Elizabeth, age 25 and granddaughter Mary, age 13, which family is residing at 202 Mill Lane, Fordham. Esther is shown to have been born in Soham. Kitty is shown to have been born in Fordham. Caroline, Louisa and Elizabeth are shown to have been born in Isleham and Mary is shown to have been born in Lewisham, Kent. Esther is shown to be a widow and annuitant. The daughters are all shown to be unmarried. Also in 1851, there is a William and Mary SMITH, age 50 and 48, respectively, enumerated in Lewisham, Kent. Included within this household are sons Aaron SMITH,, age 19, and George SMITH, age 16, as well as stepsons Frederick ROPER, age 15, and Elijah ROPER, age 9. It seems likely that Mary is also a daughter of John and Esther ROPER and Frederick and Elijah were the brothers of the Mary ROPER residing within her grandmother’s household in There is a death record for an Ester ROPER recorded during March Quarter 1852, at Newmarket District, Cambridgeshire [Volume 3b, Page 347]. * * Census of England – 1841 Fordham, Registrar’s District Soham (Enumeration District 8), Supt. Registrar’s District Newmarket, Cambridgeshire TNA Ref. No. HO107-0073, Image No. 117, Folio No. 14, Page No. 22 ?orman ROPER, Male, Age 30, Tailor, NOT Born Within the Same County [NOT Cambridgeshire] Susannah ROPER, Female, Age 35, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] George ROPER, Male, Age 10, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Elizabeth ROPER, Female, Age 60, Ind., Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] The Elizabeth ROPER, age 60, in this record is possibly the Elizabeth ROPER, age 64, born Fordham, Cambridgeshire, Farmer’s Widow and Annuitant, shown to be residing at 217 Carter Street, Fordham, in the 1851 Census of England. * * Census of England – 1841 Soham, Registrar’s District Soham (Enumeration District 2), Supt. Registrar’s District Newmarket, Cambridgeshire TNA Ref. No. HO107-0073, Image No. 268, Folio No. 12, Page No. 21 Church Gate Street, Thomas MORLEY, Male, Age 25, Tailor, NOT Born Within the Same County [NOT Cambridgeshire] Sarah MORLEY, Female, Age 25, Dressmaker, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Martha MORLEY, Female, Age 4, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Eliza MORLEY, Female, Age 1, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Mary COOPER, Female, Age 15, F. Ser., Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] William COLLEN, Male, Age 70, Ind., Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] * Ann REEVE, Female, Age 20, Dressmakers Apprentice, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Harriet LISTER, Female, Age 17, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Caroline ROPER, Female, Age 25, Dressmakers Apprentice, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Elizabeth ROPER, Female, Age 17, Dressmakers Apprentice, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] * Caroline and Elizabeth ROPER appear to be the children of John and Esther ROPER [see above]. * * Census of England – 1841 Forham, Registrar’s District Soham (Enumeration District 7), Supt. Registrar’s District Newmarket, Cambridgeshire TNA Ref. No. HO107-0073, Image No. 97, Folio No. 14, Page No. 22 Collins Hill, Elizabeth ROPER, Female, Age 50, Ind., Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] * * Census of England – 1841 HH No. 493, Grantchester, Registrar’s District Great Shelford (Enumeration District 8), Supt. Registrar’s District Chesterton, Cambridgeshire TNA Ref. No. HO107-0075, Image No. 120, Folio No. 7, Page No. 9 Alexander ROPER, Male, Age 25, Taylor, Born Germany * * Census of England – 1841 HH No. 328, Wisbech St. Peter, Wisbech St. Peter Registrar District (Enumeration District 3), Supt. Registrar’s District Wisbech, Cambridgeshire TNA Ref. No. HO107-0079, Image No. 57, Folio No. 15, Page No. 24 Nene [or New] Bank, Mary ROPER, Female, Age 75, Ind., NOT Born Within the Same County [NOT Cambridgeshire] Wright ROPER, Male, Age 30, Ag. Lab., Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] Mary ROPER, Female, Age 30, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] George ROPER, Male, Age 9 mos, Born Within the Same County [Cambridgeshire] In 1851, Wright and Mary ROPER, age 40 and 40, respectively are shown to be still living at 135 River Bank, with children George, age 10, Ann, age 8, John, age 6, Wright, age 4, and Mary age 2. Wright ROPER is a Plumber. All members of this family are shown to have been born in Wisbech, Lincolnshire. There is a marriage record recorded at Wisbech, Cambridgeshire, during June Quarter 1840, showing the marriage of a Wright ROPER and possibly a Mary MARSHALL [Volume 14, Page 215]. * * Images of each of these transcribed Census records are available at the subscription-based web site of OriginsNetwork.com . I would appreciate hearing from those with insights as to how these various Cambridgeshire ROPERs are related to one another and to other ROPER families.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/795.1 Message Board Post: The John ROPER (b abt 1830 - Thornham, Kent, England) who seems to have had a son named Joseph Stanley ROPER is shown in the 1851 Census of England residing with his brother Batchelor ROPER (b abt 1825 - Thornham, Kent, England) and younger sister Frances ROPER (b abt 1833 - Hollingborne, Kent). They are all residing on a 100 acre farm in Hollingborne. Neither Batchelor ROPER nor John ROPER is yet married. * I should again emphasize that any family connection between this Hollingborne ROPER family and an Irish ROPER family from which Stanley ROPER, of Philadelphia, emerges is strictly conjectural.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Findley Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/795 Message Board Post: Stanley ROPER, then age 23, born in Ireland, appears in the United States Census for the first time in 1850, residing within the household of Thomas and Ellen FINDLEY, age 40 and 47, respectively. Stanley ROPER is shown to be a "Baker", as is Thomas FINDLEY. The FINDLEYs were also born in Ireland. The FINDLEYs are residing within the Locust Ward in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. By 1860, Stanley ROPER, then shown to be age 30, is married to a Jane, age 25. They are established in their own household: United States Census -- 1860 Ward 15, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 08 Aug 1860 Line 10, Dwelling 1610, Family 1954, Stanly ROPER, Age 30, Male, Dealer, RE $400, Pers. Estate $100, Born Ireland Line 11, Dwelling 1610, Family 1954, Jane ROPER, Age 25, Female, Born Ireland Line 12, Dwelling 1610, Family 1954, Wm. ROPER, Age 6, Male, Born Pa Line 13, Dwelling 1610, Family 1954, Thos. ROPER, Age 3, Male, Born Pa Line 14, Dwelling 1610, Family 1954, Edmund ROPER, Age 1, Male, Born Pa Line 15, Dwelling 1610, Family 1954, Joseph CHURCH, Age 25, Male, Laborer, Born Ireland [Image 694 of 811 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1860 Census data for this jurisdiction.] * In 1861, the name Stanley ROPER appears for what seems to be the first time in the England. There is a Stanley ROPER, age 7, born Hollingborne, Kent, amongst the household of Elizabeth WISENDAU, a "Schoolmaster". Also residing within this household are Julia ROPER, age 8, and Isabel ROPER, age 6, eac also born in Hollingborne. This seems likely to be the Joseph Stanley ROPER whose birth was registered in Hollingborne, Kent, during the September Quarter, 1853. I am inclined to believe that Joseph Stanley ROPER was probably the son of John ROPER (b abt 1830 - Thornham, Kent, England) and his wife Mary Ann (b abt 1832 - Thornham, Kent, England). In 1881, this John ROPER was residing at Greenway Court, Hollingbourn, Kent, England, where he apparently farmed 603 acres. I am aware of no specific reason to assert a relationship between Stanley ROPER, of Ireland and Philadelphia, and Joseph Stanley ROPER, of Hollingborne, EXCEPT that Stanley was then a particularly uncommon name within the ROPER family. * Stanley and Jane ROPER continued to reside in Ward 15, Philadelphia and are shown in the 1870 Census with their growing family: United States Census -- 1870 Ward 15, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 15 Jun 1870 Line 15, Dwelling 741, Family 931, ROPER, Stanley, Age 40, Male, White, Furniture Dealer, Pers. Estate $4,000, Born Ireland, Father of Foreign Birth, Mother of Foreign Birth, Male Citizen of U.S. age 21 or more Line 16, Dwelling 741, Family 931, ROPER, Jane, Age 40, Female, White, Keeps House, Born Ireland, Father of Foreign Birth, Mother of Foreign Birth, Cannot Read, Cannot Write Line 17, Dwelling 741, Family 931, ROPER, William, Age 15, Male, White, Store Clerk, Born Penna, Father of Foreign Birth, Mother of Foreign Birth Line 18, Dwelling 741, Family 931, ROPER, Thomas, Age 12, Male, White, At School, Born Penna, Father of Foreign Birth, Mother of Foreign Birth, Attends School Line 19, Dwelling 741, Family 931, ROPER, Edward, Age 10, Male, White, At School, Born Penna, Father of Foreign Birth, Mother of Foreign Birth, Attends School Line 20, Dwelling 741, Family 931, ROPER, Joseph, Age 9, Male, White, At School, Born Penna, Father of Foreign Birth, Mother of Foreign Birth, Attends School Line 21, Dwelling 741, Family 931, ROPER, Samuel, Age 8, Male, White, At School, Born Penna, Father of Foreign Birth, Mother of Foreign Birth, Attends School Line 22, Dwelling 741, Family 931, ROPER, Jane, Age 5, Female, White, Born Penna, Father of Foreign Birth, Mother of Foreign Birth Line 23, Dwelling 741, Family 931, ROPER, Robert, Age 1, Male, White, Born Penna, Father of Foreign Birth, Mother of Foreign Birth, Attends School Line 24, Dwelling 741, Family 931, ROPER, Harry, Age 3, Male, White, Born Penna, Father of Foreign Birth, Mother of Foreign Birth, Attends School [Image 129 of 282 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1870 Census data for this jurisdiction.] * In 1880, Stanley ROPER is shown to be age 55 and he has returned to baking: United States Census -- 1880 509 N. 20th Street, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (Enumeration District 266) 01 Jun 1880 Line 32, House No. 509, Dwelling No. 14, Family No. 16, ROPER, Stanley, White, Male, Age 55, Married, Baker, Born Ireland, Father Born Ireland, Mother Born Ireland Line 33, House No. 509, Dwelling No. 14, Family No. 16, ROPER, Jane, White, Female, Age 43, Wife, Married, Keeping House, Born Ireland, Father Born Ireland, Mother Born Ireland Line 34, House No. 509, Dwelling No. 14, Family No. 16, ROPER, S. Edmund, White, Male, Age 22, Son, Single, Grocer, Born Penna, Father Born Ireland, Mother Born Ireland Line 35, House No. 509, Dwelling No. 14, Family No. 16, ROPER, C. Joseph, White, Male, Age 20, Son, Single, Grocer, Born Penna, Father Born Ireland, Mother Born Ireland Line 36, House No. 509, Dwelling No. 14, Family No. 16, ROPER, S. Samuel, White, Male, Age 18, Son, Single, Baker, Born Penna, Father Born Ireland, Mother Born Ireland Line 37, House No. 509, Dwelling No. 14, Family No. 16, ROPER, M. Jane, White, Female, Age 15, Daughter, Single, Born Penna, Father Born Ireland, Mother Born Ireland Line 38, House No. 509, Dwelling No. 14, Family No. 16, ROPER, C. Robert, White, Male, Age 12, Son, Single, Attending School, Born Penna, Father Born Ireland, Mother Born Ireland Line 39, House No. 509, Dwelling No. 14, Family No. 16, ROPER, M. Harvey, White, Male, Age 9, Son, Single, Attending School, Born Penna, Father Born Ireland, Mother Born Ireland Line 40, House No. 509, Dwelling No. 14, Family No. 16, ROPER, B. Lydia, White, Female, Age 6, Daughter, Single, Attending School, Born Penna, Father Born Ireland, Mother Born Ireland [Image 2 of 24 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1880 Census data for this jurisdiction.] * I have been unable to locate either Stanley or Jane ROPER in the 1900 Census. It seems most likely that both Stanley and Jane ROPER died between 1880 and 1900, though I haven't yet located a death or probate record reflecting such deaths. * * * This is a rather interesting Irish ROPER family. The given name "Stanley" MIGHT BE linked to the ROPERs of Hollingborne, Kent. Moreover, the naming patterns of the son -- William, Thomas, Edmund, Joseph, Samuel ... -- is reminiscent of names found in the ROPER family in Kent and in Norfolk/Suffolk. Is anyone aware of the Irish origins of Stanley ROPER? Is anyone acquainted with descendants of Stanley ROPER?? It would be particularly interesting to obtain a DNA sample from a male ROPER-surnamed descendant of Stanley ROPER to ascertain hos this Irish ROPER family is connected to other ROPERs we are studing!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/kgDBAEB/792.3.1.1 Message Board Post: I was told by my uncle as a little girl that Jesse (or the Parr that left SC and went to Pickens Co., AL) was the son of Claborn Parr of SC. I've been told that a Jesse Parr son of Claborn of SC was married to a Nancy Ivey before he left SC. In the 1870 Pickens Co., AL census, some of the children are left in the household with a newly added girl child named Ella age 8. I'm assuming that Jesse and Catharine died during the war years. By the 1880 census their son James Thomas Parr is married to Elmina Strickland of Pickens Co., Wm "Bill" Leroy Parr is married to Martha Ella Whatley daughter of W. Francis M. and Hixsey Whatley of Pickens Co. , Jesse Jr is living in the household of Rebecca Barham and later marrys the daughter Jemimah/ Jenny Barham of Pickens Co., a Ruthie E. Parr is a cook at the Poor farm in Pickens Co. (I believe she's Ruthie Ellen Parr born between James and William). From what I've seen the Jesse Parr son of Claborn Parr of SC was born in 1802 which d! oes consist with this Jesse W. Parr in Pickens Co., AL.. In the 1900 census James Thos. and William "Bill" Leroy Parr moved their families into Fayette Co., AL... Bill is buried at Old Union Cemetery in Fayette Co., AL.......

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Parr Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/792.3.1 Message Board Post: I regret that I do NOT have any specific information at this time about a Catherine ROPER who married Jesse PARR. I WOULD note that the 1850 Census record shows Catherine PARR to be age 28 (b abt 1822 - VA). And, as you point out, she is enumerated adjacent to the Census record of R. W. ROPER in Pickens, AL. Jesse and Catherine PARR's eldest child Elizer is shown to be age 12 suggesting that Catherine married Jesse about 1837 when Catherine was about 15. Accordingly, we would expect Catherine to already be enumerated within Jesse PARR's household in 1840 and to have been in her father's household at about age 8 in 1830. * Jesse and Catherine PARR's 1860 Census record shows Catherine to be age 40 (b abt 1820). Daughter Elizabeth is shown to be age 21 that year. All of the children are shown to have been born in Alabama. Jesse's date of birth is at least a little more consistent. He is shown to have been age 48 in 1850 and age 58 in 1860. And he is shown to have been born in South Carolina. * As I popinted out in my previous Posts, Randolph ROPER is known to have died 06 Aug 1822 - James City County, VA. His last Census record shows: Randolph ROPER: 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 66 - 0 - 0 -- 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 -- 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 But if Catherine ROPER was born AFTER 1820, she would NOT appear in this record, even if she was Randolph ROEPR's daughter. By contrast, a decade later in 1830, we see the Census record of Randolph ROPER's son: Randal W. ROPER: 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 13 The younger Randolph ROPER is known to have married Martha Ann EPPES on 18 JUL 1822. If Catherine was Randolph William and Martha Ann EPPES daughter, we would expect her to have been born in 1823 or later. Note that this latter Census record includes a woman age 50 to 59. Presumably, Martha Ann Eppes ROPER is the woman shown in the 20 to 29 age group. Accordingly, it seems reasonable to expect that the young woman age 5 to 9 in the "Randall W. ROPER" household is probably Catherine and that it is most likely that she was the daughter of Randolph and Ann ROPER rather than Randolph W. ROPER and Martha Ann EPPES. Please bear in mind that this is a SPECULATIVE ascription based only upon the information described above AND YOUR ASSERTION that there is family lore to the effect that Catherine PARR was a ROPER. If we could pin down Catherine's precise date of birth with greater precision, we could make a somewhat stronger inference. I am unaware as to whether there exists any probate information from James City County showing the identities of Randolph ROPER's children. I haven't researched this line particularly extensively. Nor am I familiar with any probate information for Randolph W. ROPER or other members of his family. Do you know WHEN and WHERE Catherine PARR died? Also, can you tell us anything further regarding Jesse PARR, his origins and what became of him after 1860?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/kgDBAEB/792.3 Message Board Post: I am looking for information of Catharine [Roper] Parr born VA whom had married Jesse W. Parr. She may have been a second wife. They are listed in a household next to R.W. Roper in the 1850 Pickens Co., AL, census. Catharine was my ggg grandmother through her son William "Bill' Leroy Parr who married Martha Ella Whatley in Pickens Co., AL...... I believe Catharine is tied to R.W. Roper. When I was a little girl my uncle told me her maiden name was Roper. As you probably know most of the records were destroyed in the Pickens Co. Court House fire!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Sims Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/794 Message Board Post: James ROPER (b bef 1766 - VA) seems to have been one of the sons of Benjamin ROPER (d 1786). He is shown to have married Molly SIMS, daughter of Benjamin SIMS, on 26 Jan 1793 in Cumberland County, VA. Henry SMITH was the bondsman. Brother Randolph ROPER was witness of the marriage bond. On 05 Nov 1794, James ROPER served along with Richard HARRIS as bondsman for the marriage of Richard HARRIS and Judith SIMS, daughter of Benjamin SIMS (Molly SIMS' sister). James ROPER is shown in tax lists for 1800: 1800 tax lists: (horses,b>16,b12-16) Cumberland Co.: James Roper 1 - 2 - 0 * In 1810, James ROPER is enumerated in the Census residing in Cumberland County, VA: James ROPER: 1 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 1 -- 3 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 – 8 [Image 9 of 39] This James ROPER is shown to be age 45 or more (b bef 1766). A Charles ROPER also appears in Cumberland in the 1810 Census: Charles ROPER: 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 – 2 [Image 10 of 39] * * * In 1820, James ROPER was enumerated in Buckingham, Nelson County, VA: James ROPER: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 3 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 2 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 2 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Image 8 of 8] * In 1820, Charles ROPER remained in Cumberland County: Charles ROPER: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 - 3 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 2 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Image 19 of 25] * There is a James ROSSER or ROSSON enumerated in Pittsylvania County, VA, in 1830: James ROSSON: 2 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 10 [Image 11, 12 of 196] Although this James ROSSON is shown to be age 50 to 60 (b abt 1771-80), which is CLOSE to the age range we are expecting (b bef 1766), this difference, when coupled with the absence of any slaves and the apparent displacement in location is suggestive that this is a different individual. * The BEST candidate I have located in terms of age seems to be the James ROPER residing in Simpson, Kentucky, in 1830: James ROPER: 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 6 [Image 44, 45 of 52] This James ROPER and his wife appears to be age 70 to 79 (b 1751-60). However, the trouble ascribing this James ROPER as the SAME James ROPER previously appearing in Cumberland, VA, is (a) that this James ROPER also seemed to appear in the Census in SImpson County,KY, in 1820: James ROPER: 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 [Image 12 of 15] and (b) this seems to be the Revolutionary WAr veterean James ROPER, of Caswell Co, NC, who was married to a Mary NEEL. Mary Neel ROPER's age is given in the 1840 Census record which shows her to be a Revolutionary pensioner at age 75 (b abt 1765). James ROPER (b Jun 1745 - Caswell, NC) died on 18 Nov 1835 at Simpson, KY. * I have NOT inspected the Census record of EVERY James ROPER in the United States in 1830, but it does NOT appear that James ROPER, son of Benjamin ROPER, was still in Virginia by the date of the 1830 Census. It seems most likely that he died, but a more thorough search of probate and deed records seems to be indicated to better understand this member of the Charles City ROPER family. * * * NOTE: There is a James ROPER incorrectly indexed as James ROGER in the 1830 Census of Henrico, VA: James ROPER: 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 6 [Image 5, 6 of 106] Mary ROPER, age 75, in 1840, of Simpson, KY, is shown to be a pensioner for Revolutionary War services at the date of the 1840 Census. * I would appreciate hearing from anyone with additional information and/or insight into the family of James ROPER (b bef 1766), of Cumberland.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/792.2 Message Board Post: The ROPER family history database files of Dr. L. David ROPER show another of the sons of Randolph ROPER as James W. ROPER (b abt 1800, d 12 Jan 1856 - Mobile, Mobile, AL). The factual basis for this ascription is unknown to me. But there is some primary evidence which helps to give a better understanding of this family. This James W. ROPER is shown to have married Elizabeth Ann SIMISON (b 02 Aug 1810, d 09 Jan 1887 - Mobile, Mobile, AL) on 22 Nov 1838. In 1850, this couple may be found residing in Ward 2, New Orleans, Louisiana: United States Census -- 1850 Ward 2, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, Louisiana 28 Aug 1850 Line 11, Dwelling 1047, Family 1080, James W. ROPER, age 50, Male, Lumber Mrkt, RE $1,000, Born VA Line 12, Dwelling 1047, Family 1080, E. A. ROPER, age 37, Female, Born PA Line 13, Dwelling 1047, Family 1080, Anne ROPER, age 10, Female, Born AL Line 14, Dwelling 1047, Family 1080, E. H. ROPER, age 8, Male, Born AL Line 15, Dwelling 1047, Family 1080, Mary ROPER, age 6, Female, Born AL Line 16, Dwelling 1047, Family 1080, Charles D. ROPER, age 4, Male, Born AL Line 17, Dwelling 1047, Family 1080, Margaret ROPER, age 18, Female, Born IRELAND Line 18, Dwelling 1047, Family 1080, Mrs. C. WALKER, age 30, Female, Born LA [Image 32 of 84 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1850 Census data.] I am a bit uncertain about the CORRECTNESS of the ascription of this James ROPER as a son of Randolph ROPER. Two things about this record puzzle me. First, when I think of LUMBER, I tend to think of the family of the ROPERs of Petersburg or of Norfolk. Second, I find it particularly puzzling that there appears a Margaret ROPER who seems to have been born in IRELAND residing within this household. This may simply reflect some error. Perhaps Margaret isn't really a ROPER at all. Or perhaps she was sent to school in Ireland. But it is a puzzle nevertheless. And it causes me some misgivings about the ascription. * This Census record is substantially consistent with the 1840 Census record showing a James W. ROPER in Sumter County, Alabama: James W. ROPER: 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 3 - 3 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 9 -- 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 – 0 [Image 36, 37 of 151] * James W. ROPER is shown to be age 40 to 49. Elizabeth is of similar age. Perhaps of greatest significance is the appeance of a woman of age 70 to 79 in this household. If this James W. ROPER is actually Randolph ROPER's son, this may be his mother Ann. * In 1830, James W. ROPER seems to have been residing in Mecklinburg, NC: James W. ROPER: 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 2 - 3 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 9 [Image 39, 40 of 162] He is shown to be age 30 to 39, which is consistent with the other records shown above. The wife is also shown to be in her thirties. This is presumably Sarah A. DAVENPORT (m 10 Jun 1830) or perhaps even a prior wife. * In 1860, Elizabeth Ann ROPER is still residing in New Orleans: United States Census -- 1860 Ward 3, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, Louisiana 07 Jun 1860 Line 33, Dwelling 351, Family 458, Mrs. E. A. ROPER, age 45, Female, Boarding House, Pers. Estate $1,500, Born Penn Line 34, Dwelling 351, Family 458, Anna P. ROPER, age 19, Female, Born Ala Line 35, Dwelling 351, Family 458, Edw. H. ROPER, age 18, Male, clerk, Born Ala Line 36, Dwelling 351, Family 458, Mary W. ROPER, age 16, Female, Born Ala Line 37, Dwelling 351, Family 458, Charles D. ROPER, age 12, Male, Born Ala Line 38, Dwelling 351, Family 458, Saml. BARRETT, age 50, Male, Comm. Merchant, Born Vermont Line 39, Dwelling 351, Family 458, Sarah BARRETT, age 45, Female, Born Mass. [Image 64 of 552 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1860 Census data.] * United States Census -- 1870 Ward 3, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, Louisiana 02 Jun 1870 Line 26, Dwelling 64, Famliy 70, ROPER, Eliza A., Age 55, Female, White, House Keeper, RE $800, Born Pennsylvania Line 27, Dwelling 64, Famliy 70, ROPER, Annie, Age 24, Female, White, At Home, Born Alabama Line 28, Dwelling 64, Famliy 70, ROPER, Charles D., Age 22, Male, White, Clerk in store, Born Alabama [Image 574 of 651 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1860 Census data.] * New Orleans, Louisiana, death records show the death of an Edward H. ROPER, age 25, on 23 May 1869. New Orleans death records also show a death of a Charles Dellinger ROPER, at age 27, on 06 Sep 1877 (Volume 69, Page 780). This appears likely to have been Charles D. ROPER, son of James W. ROPER.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Montgomery Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/792.1 Message Board Post: Amongst the children of Randolph ROPER (b abt 1761, d 06 Aug 1822), secondary sources show a son Benjamin F. ROPER (b 28 Mar 1800 - James City, VA, d 18 Jan 1857 - Mobile, Mobile, AL). I am NOT acquainted with the basis for this ascription. Randolph ROPER is shown to have one son age 10 to 16 in 1800. But son Benjamin F. ROPER may have already left the household by that date. In 1850, we get a clearer understanding of Benjamin F. ROPER's household: United States Census -- 1850 Carrollton, Pickens County, AL 21 Sep 1850 Line 18, Dwelling 12, Family 12, B. F. ROPER, age 50, Male, Hotel Keeper, RE $4,200, Born VA Line 19, Dwelling 12, Family 12, Caroline M. ROPER, age 38, Female, Born TN Line 20, Dwelling 12, Family 12, Frances V. ROPER, age 19, Female, Born AL Line 21, Dwelling 12, Family 12, William ROPER, age 17, Male, Student, Born AL Line 22, Dwelling 12, Family 12, Benjamin ROPER, age 15, Male, Student, Born AL Line 23, Dwelling 12, Family 12, Alabama ROPER, age 13, Female, Born AL Line 24, Dwelling 12, Family 12, Dick ROPER, age 9, Male, Born AL Line 25, Dwelling 12, Family 12, Alda ROPER, age 7, Female, Born AL Line 26, Dwelling 12, Family 12, Gilbert ROPER, age 5, Male, Born AL .. others presumably Hotel residents [Image 2 of 5 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1850 Census data for this jurisdiction.] * In 1860, it is clear that Benjamin F. ROPER is already dead. (I am unfamiliar with the basis for the assertion that this Benjamin died on 18 Jan 1857 at Mobile, but this appears credible and probably true.) Caroline M. ROPER is the head of the household in the 1860 Census record: United States Census Mobile Ward 1, Mobile, AL 11 Jul 1860 Line 29, Dwelling 363, Family 304, Caroline M. ROPER, age 45, Female, Landlady Boarding House, Pers Estate $20,000, Born TN Line 30, Dwelling 363, Family 304, Benajamin F. ROPER, age 24, Male, Clerk, Born AL Line 31, Dwelling 363, Family 304, Alabama ROPER, age 21, Female, Born AL Line 32, Dwelling 363, Family 304, Chas A. ROPER, age 17, Male, Born AL Line 33, Dwelling 363, Family 304, Alda F. ROPER, age 14, Female, Born AL Line 34, Dwelling 363, Family 304, Gilbert M. ROPER, age 12, Male, Born AL Line 35, Dwelling 363, Family 304, Luella B. ROPER, age 10, Female, Born AL .. others in house [Image 37 of 39 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1860 Census data for this jurisdiction.] * In 1870, Caroline is managing the hotel with her son Dick: United States Census -- 1870 Mobile, Mobile, AL 8 & 9 Jun 1870 Line 31, Dwelling 77, Family 76, ROPER, C. M., age 55, Female, White, Hotel Proprietor, RE $25,000, Pers. Estate $3,000, Born TN Line 31, Dwelling 77, Family 76, ROPER, Dick, Age 27, Male, White, Manager, Born AL Line 32, Dwelling 77, Family 76, ROPER, Alda, Age 20, Female, White, At Home, Born AL Line 33, Dwelling 77, Family 76, ROPER, G. M., Age 23, Male, White, Bookkeeper, Born AL .. others within hotel [Image 100 of 808 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1870 Census data for this jurisdiction.] Dr. L. David ROPER's Rope rfamily history database shows Caroline M. Montgomery ROPER as born 16 Dec 1812 and dying 07 Mar 1893. I am unfamiliar with the data supporting these assertions, but they appear to be credible.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Ball, Smith Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/790.3 Message Board Post: Mary Jane ROPER (b abt 1823 - Charles City, VA, d 19 Nov 1851 - Henrico, VA), daughter of Edward ROPER (b abt 1781 – Charles City, VA, d 09 Feb 1826 – Charles City, VA) and Sarah MORRIS, married Dandridge BALL on 02 May 1845 in Henrico, VA. Dandridge and Mary Jane ROPER are shown to be residing in the My District, Henrico, in the 1850 Census: United States Census -- 1850 My District, Henrico, VA 06 Oct 1850 Line 8, Dwelling 798, Family 798, Dandridge BALL, Age 37, Male, Farmer, RE $3,000, Born Virginia Line 9, Dwelling 798, Family 798, Mary J. BALL, Age 27, Female, Born Virginia Line 10, Dwelling 798, Family 798, Augustus W. BALL, Age 2 9/12, Male, Born Virginia [Image 94 of 116 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1850 Census data forthis jurisdiction.] There is a Samuel BALL, age 61, born Virginia, residing nearby, with Francis BALL, age 28, and Elizabeth J. BALL, also in his household. This might be Dandridge BALL's father, but this is a speculative ascription. Also adjacent to Samuel BALL is a Thomas A. SMITH, age 29, and Lucy A. SMITH, age 29, with a child Mary S. SMITH. Recall that Mary Jane ROPER, had a sister named Lucy Ann ROPER who was born before 1826. Also recall that Edward ROPER's sister Mildred ROPER married a Thomas SMITH. In searching for what became of Lucy Ann ROPER, one might want to check the records of this SMITH family. * In 1860, Dandridge BALL, age 47, is still residing in Henrico, with his new wife Sarah E., age 25, and their child Robert H. BALL, age 1: United States Census -- 1860 Eastern District, Henrico, Virginia, Page 193 27 Aug 1860 Line 14, Dwelling 1433, Family 1460, Dandridge BALL, Age 47, Male, Farmer, RE $4,000, Pers. Estate $25,000, Born Virginia Line 15, Dwelling 1433, Family 1460, Sarah E. BALL, Age 25, Female, Born Virginia Line 16, Dwelling 1433, Family 1460, Robert H. BALL, Age 1, Male, Born Virginia [Image 193 of 213 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1860 Census data forthis jurisdiction.] Dandridge and Mary Jane Roper BALL's son Augustus BALL, at age 12, was residing within the household of Samuel BALL, age 71, in Henrico in 1860, reenforcing the likelihood that Samuel was Dandridge BALL's father. There is also a Mary J. BALL, age 10, residing within Samuel BALL's household, presenting the possibility that Mary Jane Roper BALL may have given birth to a daughter prior to her death. There is also shown a Susan TRICE, age 34, who appears very possibly to be the SAME individual shown in Dandridge BALL's household in Charles City County (below). The Samuel BALL household was enumerated on 15 Aug 1860. In 1870, Dandridge and Sarah E. BALL, age 57 and 35, respectively, were residing with son Robert H. BALL, age, 11, and Susan Trice BALL, age 40, in Harrison, Charles City County, Virginia.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Evans Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/793 Message Board Post: The given name "Lucy" was very popular within the Charles City ROPER family for several generations after David ROPER (b 1744, d 1808). David ROPER had a daughter named Lucy ROPER who married William HEWLETT on 06 May 1797. Edward ROPER (b abt 1781 – Charles City, VA, d 09 Feb 1826 – Charles City, VA), son of David ROPER (d 1808), seems to have had at least two daughters, Lucy Ann ROPER and Mary Jane ROPER. These two are identified in a number of probate transactions following their father's death. James Ross ROPER, who appears to have been the son of Benjamin ROPER, seems to have possibly been involved in the upbringing of Edward ROPER's orphaned children, just as Edward ROPER seems to have been involved in the upbringing of the children of his uncle Benjamin ROPER (d abt 1786). [See my previous Post "Edward ROPER (b abt 1781 – Charles City, VA, d 09 Feb 1826 – Charles City, VA), son of David ROPER (d 1808)" (29 Jan 2006 9:24 PM GMT) at http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p=surnames.roper&m=790 and Dr. L. David ROPER's page at http://www.roperld.com/rva18.htm .] William H. and Lucy WADDILL definitely seem to have been involved in the u! pbringing of Edward's children, as well. In 1850, there appears within the household of "R. W. ROPER", age 47, of Pickens, AL, a Lucy A. ROPER, age 25. It seems unlikely that this would have been Lucy Ann ROPER, daughter of Edward ROPER, as there is a transaction on 05 Apr 1826 to purchase shoes for that Lucy A. ROPER. I am inclined therefore to believe that Lucy Ann ROPER, daughter of Edward ROPER, was at least a few years old by 1826. The most obvious answer is that the Lucy A. ROPER in R. W. ROPER's household was his daughter. I am inclined to believe that R. W. ROPER was Randolph William ROPER (b abt 1803 - James City, VA, d aft 1850 - Prob AL), son of Randolph ROPER and grandson of Benjamin ROPER (d abt 1786 - Charles City County, VA). Randolph William ROPER married Martha Ann EPPES, daughter of Francis EPPES, on 18 JUL 1822 at Prince George, Virginia. [See also my Post "http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p=surnames.roper&m=792" (30 Jan 2006 9:21 PM GMT) at http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p=surnames.roper&m=792 ] Randolph William ROPER seems to have had at least two other children: Erasmus ROPER (b abt 1837 - AL) and Mary Jane ROPER (b 13 May 1839 - Reform, Pickens, AL). This Lucy Ann ROPER seems to have married a John EVANS. One strong indication that this Lucy Ann ROPER is the daughter of Randolph William ROPER is the naming of John and Lucy Ann Roper EVANS' child John Randolph EVANS (b 07 NOV 1862 - MS). The date of birth of Apr 1825 is taken from Lucy Ann Roepr EVANS' 1900 Census record. The date of death is taken from a secondary source, but it appears likely to be reliable.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Eppes Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/792 Message Board Post: Amongst the 18th Century ROPERs found in Charles City County is a Randolph ROPER. He seems to first appear in the tax lists about 1782-87 according to Fothergill's Virginia Taxpayers 1782-1787 lists. He seems to be shown in the list with ZERO white males age 21 to 50 and ZERO slaves. [Someone with a keen interest in this family may want to look at EACH of teh ORIGINAL Charles City County tax lists from this interval to ascertain precisely in which lists Randolph ROPER appears. The other ROPERs shown in the tax lists during this period are Benjamin ROPER, David ROPER and Samuel ROPER. Randolph ROPER is almost certainly NOT the son of David ROPER (b 1744, d 1808), whose sons are well identified in deeds of gift in 1804 and his 1808 Will. The first probate records from enjamin ROPER's estate appear in June 1786. David ROPER is shown to be the executor. Charles City County tax lists for 1787 seem to show (wm16-21, b>16, b0-16, horses, cattle): David Roper: 0 - 4 - 7 - 4 - 26 Saml. Roper: 0 - 1 - 1 - 3 - 6 Mary Roper :1 - 1 - 0 - 2 - 10 Mary ROPER seems to be Benjamin ROPER's widow. There is one white male age 16 to 21 shown in her household. This MIGHT HAVE BEEN Randolph ROPER. It appears that Benjamin and Mary ROPER also had a son Benjamin ROPER (b abt 1776-78 - Charles City, VA). Randoph ROPER next appears in the records in Cumberland County, where he served as a wittness to the marriage of James ROPER to Molly SIMS, daughte rof Benjamin SIMS, on 26 Jan 1793. This James ROPER seems most likely to be a brother or cousin of Randolph ROPER. Later the same year -- Sep 1793 - Randolph ROPER was one of the signers of a petition by residents of James City County to the Governor and Council demanding the immediate execution of a woman who had killed her overseer. In 1797, Randolph ROPER gave a bond in support of the purchase of the ninety acre Charles City plantation by Benjamin ROPER Jr. from the estate of Benjamin ROPER, deceased. It seems most likely that Benjamin ROPER Jr. (b abt 1776-78 - Charles City County) was Benjamin and Mary ROPER's son and a younger brother of Randolph ROPER. See Dr. L. David ROPER's page http://www.roperld.com/rva17.htm for the data cited above. Randolph ROPER does NOT appear in the 1800 Charles City County tax lists. Only these names appear (wm>21, horses, b12-16, b>16): Benja. Roper: 1 - 1 - 2 - 1 David Roper: 3 - 7 - 6 - 3 By contrast, he DOES seem to appear in James City in 1810: Schreiner-Yantis' Supplement to the 1810 census of VA James City Co. (white tithables, blacks >12 yr., horses): Randolph ROPER: 0 - 4 - 2 In 1820, Randolph ROPER is enumerated in James City County: Randolph ROPER: 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 66 - 0 - 0 -- 2 - 2 - 1 - 0 -- 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 Randolph ROPER is shown to be age 45 or more in 1820 (b bef 1776). * In 1830, there is a Randal W. ROPER in James City County: Randal W. ROPER: 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 2 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 13 This Randal ROPER is age 20 to 29 (b abt 1801-10). The eldest female in the household is shown to be age 50 to 59 (b abt 1771-80) and is presumably Randolph ROPER's widow. The IGI suggests to us that the son is probably the Randolph ROPER shown in this marriage record: Randolph ROPER m Martha Ann EPPES on 18 JUL 1822 -Prince George, Virginia A secondary source reporting to the IGI shows a Randolph ROPER (b 1761 - VA, d 06 AUG 1822). This information is generally consistent with what is shown above. These records also show Randolph ROPER's widow to be named "Ann". I am unacquainted with the information supporting this ascription. The son Randolph William ROPER seems to have migrated to Pickens, Alabama by 1840. He is enumerted in the Census as "R. W. ROPER". R. W. ROPER: 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 10 -- 0 - 3 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 * The same year the Randal W. ROPER first appears in James City County Census enumeration, a William C. ROPER also appears there: William C. ROPER: 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 -- 3 [Images 11, 12 of 26] Recalling that Randolph ROPER seemed to have three sons in 1820, two under age 10 and one age 10 to 16, it seems likely that William C. ROPER is another of Randolph ROPER's sons (by proximity). But this should be considered a SPECULATIVE ascription. It is unclear what became of Randolph ROPER's other son. Perhaps someone with ready access to James City County records can give us some additional insight. * I would be very interested in hearing from anyone who is a male ROPER-surnamed descendant of Randolph ROPER or anyone with additional information or insight into this family.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Camber, Hubbard, Ladd, Bell, Charity Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/791 Message Board Post: The Charles City County Historical Society has published a document entitled "Registrations of Free Negroes and Mulattoes - 1823 - 1864" which is currently posted online at: http://www.charlescity.org/documents/Free%20Negro%20Register.pdf Amongst the entries appearing therein are these references to persons with the surname ROPER: "Ordered that it be certified that it appears to the satisfaction of the Court ... And that it be further certified that it appears to the satisfaction of the Bourt by the testimony of Geo. Hubbard ... And that Henry ROPER, a man of dark complexion, aged 21 years, 5 feet eight inches high, scar on teh right hand near the little finger & one on the right leg." Feb 16, 1826. [This Henry ROPER seems to have been born abt 1805.] * "Ordered that it be certified that it appears to the satisfaction of the Court by teh testimony of Benj. H. LADD that Joseph ROPER, a man of brown complexion, about 21 years old, five feet 6 1/2 inches high, small scar on the right wrist was born free in the County of Henrico." Dec 21, 1826 [This Joseph ROPER appears to have been born abt 1805.] * "Ordered that it be certified that it appears to the satsifaction of the Court by the affirmation of John BELL that Edward ROPER, son of William ROPER decd, a lad of dark complexion, 21 years old in June last, 5' 63/4 inches high, scar over the right eye in the edge of the eye brow & one on the first joint of the left thumb, was born free in this county." Sept. 19, 1833. [This Edward ROPER appears to have been born in June 1812.] * "Ordered that it be certified that it appears to the satisfaction of the Court ... And by the testimony of James R. ROPER that Thomas CAMBER, son of John, a bright mulatto man, straight hair about 21 years old, 5 feet 11 1/2 inches high, scar on left thumb & one on left arm just above the wrist & 1 or two on middle right finger was born free in this County." Sept 17, 1835 * "Ordered that it be certified that it appears to the satisfaction of the Court by the testimony of James R. ROPER that Susanna CHARITY, daughter of James CHARITY, a mulatto woman 17 years old in April last, 5 feet 4 1/2 inches high, small scar on the chin rather to the left, and that the register of the same Susanna is correctly made -- the said Sussanna was born free in this County." Apr. 16, 1840 * * * Does anyone have any insight as to what became of each of these named free black and mulatto ROPERs?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/790.2 Message Board Post: The Virginia State Library shows amongst it Burned Records County database a record for an 1834 plat of Edward ROPER's Charles City County land. See for example: http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/local/burned/partyqz.asp The Library's description of the underlying database is: "This database contains a growing collection of local court records, principally deeds and probate records, found while processing chancery cases and other locality materials. The database contains records from collections housed and processed at the Library of Virginia as well as those processed in localities. These records were generally used as exhibits in a court case. The originals remain with the court materials being processed, but photocopies are made and are indexed in this database. The copies are filed together in an artificial collection - the BURNED RECORDS COUNTY COLLECTION - and are readily accessed through the Archives Research Room at the Library of Virginia. Please check this database periodically as this is an ongoing project." I have NOT seen the actual plat, but as this land contains at least a portion of the original John ROPER Patent of 1714, it would be an interesting addition to the collection of ROPER primary documents readily availabe at Dr. L. David ROPER's Roper Family History website at http://www.roperld.com . Does anyone already have a copy of this plat?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Eppes Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/790.1 Message Board Post: John EPPES' Will, dated 29 January 1836 and proved 18 February 1836, contains the following mentions of Edward ROPER's land: "ITEM: I give and devise to my son James Eppes, the following lands adjoining the tract I reside on purchased of Littleberry Bradley containing one hundred and forty acres, a tract purchased of Richard W. Ragland containing fifty acres and that portion of lands purchased by me from Edward Roper’s estate which lies on the west side of a line to be laid off from the main road, commencing where the fence now meets the road, and running south to Robert Hubbard’s Corner to him and his heirs forever. I also give and bequeath to my son the following slaves to wit: Rico, Randolph, Minerva, Betsy and son John and my sorrel mare and sorrel coult (sic) two years old, my new saddle and bridle and one bed and furniture, all to him and his heirs forever. ITEM: I give and bequeath to my son Robert P. Eppes the plantation on which I now live called and known by the name of Spring Field, the tract devised to my son James now considered part of my home tract is of course excepted. I also give and devise to my said son Robert that portion of Roper’s tract which lies on the east side of the line described in the devise to my son James: The said lands I give and devise to my son Robert to him and his heirs forever. I also give and bequeath to my son Robert the following slaves to wit: Jerry, Kepup, Adeline, Melvira and Nat and the future increase of the females to him and his heirs forever. I also give my said son in fee simple half dozen silver table spoons, half dozen silver tea spoons and one bed and furniture." There was also an express provision for James R. ROPER: "ITEM: I give and bequeath to my friend James R. Roper two barrels of corn and one stack of blade fodder to him and his heirs forever." A transcription of the full text of John EPPES's Will appears at: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/charlescity/wills/e1200000.txt

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Bess, Steveson Classification: Census Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/788.3 Message Board Post: Rebecca ROEPR was still alive at the date of the 1920 Census enumeration: United States Census -- 1920 Beverly Manor, Augusta County, Virginia (Enumeration District 31), Sheet 8A (Page No. Imprinted "46") 20 Jan 1920 Line 7, Dwelling 134, Family 135, ROPER, Rebecca, Head, Female, White, Age 79, Widowed, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA, Laundress At Home Line 8, Dwelling 134, Family 135, ROPER, Virgie V., Daughter, Female, White, Age 23, Single, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA, Laundress At Military School Line 9, Dwelling 134, Family 135, STEVESON, Hannon, Son-in-Law, Male, White, Age 23, Widowed, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA, Packer at Flour Mill Line 10, Dwelling 134, Family 135, STEVESON, Emmit L, Grandson, Male, White, Age 4 8/12, Single, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA Line 11, Dwelling 134, Family 135, STEVESON, Mary M, Granddaughter, Female, White, Age 2 2/12, Single, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA [Image 15 of 23 at the Ancestry.com presentation of 1920 Census data for this jurisdiction.] Hannon STEVESON was married to Edward and Rebecca ROPER's daughte rMargie R. ROPER (b 25 May 1892 - Augusta, VA, d 24 Aug 1919 - Augusta, VA).

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Roper, Bess Classification: Census Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kgDBAEB/788.2 Message Board Post: Rebecca ROPER appears again in the 1910 United States Census [the record is incorrectly Indexed at Ancestry.com as "Reibecca ROPER"]: United States Census -- 1910 Beverly Manor, Augusta County, Virginia (Enumeration District 29), Sheet 6A 25 Apr 1910 Line 40, Dwelling 91, Family 92, ROPER, Rebecca, Head, Female, White, Age 63, WIDOWED, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA Line 41, Dwelling 91, Family 92, ROPER, Annie, Daughter, Female, White, Age 24, Single, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA Line 42, Dwelling 91, Family 92, ROPER, Margie, Daughter, Female, White, Age 20, Single, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA, Seamstress at Overall Factory Line 43, Dwelling 91, Family 92, ROPER, Vergie, Daughter, Female, White, Age 16, Single, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA, Seamstress at Overall Factory Line 44, Dwelling 91, Family 92, BRITT, Robert, Grandson, Male, White, Age 10, Single, Born VA, Father Born VA, Mother Born VA [Image 11 of 23 at the Ancestry.com presentation of the 1910 Census data for this jurisdiction.] This seems very much to be Rebecca Bess ROPER. It is unclear why she is shown as a "Boarder" in the 1900 Census record. One possibility that must NOT be discounted is the possibility that Bettie G., shown to be age 7 and born Jan 1893, and Vergie, shown to be age 16 in 1910 are one and the same child. Given the appearance of other errors in the 1900 Census record this does NOT seem to be far fetched.