This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: batchelorw Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1743.6.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Bill, As soon as I posted my last reply, I realized that I made a serious error. The brother of David Roper of Cumberland was not John A. Roper. John A. Roper was David's son, as shown in the probate records. John C. Roper, also known as John Roper, Jr.in the 1820 Cumberland, KY census, was the brother of David Roper and also the son of John Roper, Sr. who came up from Caswell, NC. Interestingly, in taking a glance at the original will of Philip Lawson, he mentions a purchase of land from what appears to be a John C. Roper, if I am reading it correctly. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: batchelorw Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1743.6.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Bill, Bill, You are correct that the David Roper of both Cumberland, KY and Rhea, TN, is the David Roper who married Nancy Lewis in Caswell, NC. The David Y. Roper of Giles, TN is a different person and was not married to Nancy Lewis, as is commonly stated in both the L. Roper database and on most posted pedigrees on Ancestry.com. David Roper, to my knowledge, never owned property in McMinn, TN. David Roper did own land in both Cumberland County, KY and Rhea, TN, as we have seen from extant transcribed probate records. In looking at the book "Cumberland County Kentucky Deed Records Abstract and Index" compiled by Laura Lee Butler and Randolph N. Smith, 1975, we find that David and his wife are selling some of their property in Cumberland, KY: "David Roper & w. Nancy of Rhea Co. Tenn. to Clement Scott land on Galaway; 2/8/1831; G-241; also 6-242; 8/18/1830". P. 158 Notice that the above record is the first and only time that I am aware of that we come across the name of the wife of David Roper of Cumberland County, KY. This would be consistent with David Roper marrying Nancy Lewis in Caswell, NC in 1802. "David Roper of Rhea County to Joel Scott land on Galloway Creek; 8/2/1830; G-244". P. 158 There is also this entry in a Kentucky deed book: Deed Book A 278 26 Feb. 1831 David Roper of Rhea co. to Solomon Hayes. I currently show David Roper of Cumberland County, KY to be born about 1778, and my earlier post in 2012 stating a birth in about 1882 would be incorrect. David Roper of Cumberland County, KY is shown with no slaves in the 1810 Cumberland County, KY census. David Roper is shown with one male slave in the 1820 Cumberland County, KY census. His father John Roper, Sr. and his brother John Roper, Jr. (also known as John A. Roper) are shown with no slaves when they arrive in Cumberland County, KY as shown in the 1820 census. John Roper, Sr. had one slave as shown in the 1810 Caswell, NC census, but he may have lost the slave when he had a judgment entered against his 484 acres and his personal property in 1811 in Caswell, NC. David Roper of Cumberland, KY is shown with one male slave <14 in the 1820 Cumberland, KY census. David Rope is shown with four slaves in the 1830 Rhea, TN census: one male 24-35, one female <10, one female 10-23, and one female 24-35. I do not agree that it would be "better to move on past the false ascription" of David Y. Roper "as a son of William Roper and Sarah (possibly Sarah Yates, but with no extant record) and "to focus on the REAL relationships." So far, I think that Jeffrey Howard Roper' claimed lineage is probably correct. I am confused by this paragraph: "I would think that the David Roper in Cumberland/Rhea would have been age 10-14 in the 1790 census. And he would have been 20-24 in the 1800 census. How does that inform or alter our view as to the candidates to be this David Roper's father?" It is most probable that the John Roper of Halifax, VA, who can be seen buying property in Caswell, NC in about 1798, and who is the only Roper shown in deed records in Caswell, NC between 1800-1810, with the exception of his son Henry Roper, was the father of David Roper, who married Nancy Lewis in 1802 in Caswell, NC. This if further supported by the John Roper, aka John Roper, Sr. and his son John Roper, Jr. moving to Cumberland County, KY to appear in the 1820 census where his son David Roper is residing. In reference to the McMinn connection, this, in my opinion, primarily has to do with Philip L. Roper and his family. However, I am not sufficiently comfortable with those connections to adopt them at the present time. It is possible that Philip L. was the son of Thomas Roper of Pulaski, KY, as shown in the 1810 census. It is possible that Thomas Roper and his wife died, leaving orphans. It is possible that three of those male orphans were Philip L. Roper, and James and Joseph Roper of McMinn, TN. However, I am still working on that data and am not satisfied that I have sufficient proof. Finally, I have seen no original deed records for David Roper. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Scott, Lawson, Prewitt Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1743.3.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The Cumberland County Will of Jacob SCOTT, dated 17 Oct 1834 and proved 10 Feb 1835, is available at the FamilySearch website at the citation and link given below: "Kentucky Probate Records, 1727-1990," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20810-4853-56?cc=1875188&wc=M6QC-3Z9:173385501,173473501 : accessed 14 Mar 2014), Cumberland > Will records, 1830-1841, Vol. C > image 80 of 260. I do NOT see anything of great significance within the Jacob SCOTT Will, but had mentioned in within the post above and thought it helpful to run this information to ground. Philip LAWSON, Ephraim PREWITT and Solomon PREWITT are the witnesses. Philip LAWSON and Ephraim PREWITT are executors. There still might be something of value in the Inventory and Sale list, which is not shown in the Index. It might be found by browsing forward from the Will. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Lawson, Roper, Keen Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1743.7/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Frank: The images of the Philip LAWSON Will, dated 23 Dec 1836 and proved 24 May 1836 are available at the FamilySearch.org website at the citation and link given below: "Kentucky Probate Records, 1727-1990," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20810-5041-7?cc=1875188&wc=M6QC-3Z9:173385501,173473501 : accessed 14 Mar 2014), Cumberland > Will records, 1830-1841, Vol. C > image 114 of 260. This Will names wife Polly ROPER and Francis KEEN and the executors and sole beneficiaries. The Will expressly bequeaths land purchased from John C. ROPER to Polly and Keen. While the purchase of the land may be strictly incidental, given the memorialization of Philip LAWSON's name within the ROPER family, I cannot help but wonder whether John C. ROPER might have been Philip LAWSON's father-in-law, selling or giving land to his son-in-law to set him up with a farm upon marriage. I realize that this is sheer speculation. I find the absence of mention of any children to be more consistent with a childless couple. Perhaps someone with a stronger interest in this family might post a transcription, making it available to the LAWSON and the Cumberland Message Boards. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1860.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: L. David ROPER has recently posted information from the Pulaski Deed Book, KY, concerning the manumission of James ROPER's slaves. See my new thread: "Manumitted Slaves of James ROPER, of Pulaski, KY (21 Aug 1837)" (14 Mar 2014 5:48AM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1864/mb.ashx Thanks to Dave for sharing this information! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1864/mb.ashx Message Board Post: L. David ROPER seems to have recently posted some additional abstracted information from the Pulaski County, Kentucky, Deed Books to his Kentucky ROPER Families page. This information includes some information about James ROPER's manumitted slaves: "Pulaski Co. Deed Book, #9, p. 212: This indenture of sale made into this day 24 June 1837 between John D. Roper & David Roper of County of Pulaski and state of Ky. of one part and Daniel F. James of same Co. of other part for sum of $1200 to them paid by the said James. The said John D. and David Roper has sold a certain tract of land being in Pulaski Co. on Flatlick Creek containing 285 acres and 10 poles beg at black oak the NE Corner of original survey of 200 acres N 72 deg. W 177 p to a small white oak, S18W 120p to two hickories S20E 70p to two hickories on the bank of Flat Lick Creek then down Creek with meanders 80p to a white oak in South side of said Creek, N67E to two white oaks & a gum the upper Corner of Nathaneil Welches 1000 acre survey, down s'd Creek with meanders south 13W 12p S36E 14p S70E 30p N18E 18p N66E 32p S40E 16p to two white oaks & sycamore on bank of s'd Creek, N21E 76p to a Hickory, N24W 134p to a cluster of pine oaks on original line of the 200 acre survey, N18E to Beg. p. 254: Hector about 29, black, has straight hair 5.6"; Lucy, mulatto, very bright, 27; Greene, black, 10; Niagara, mulatto, 8; Violet, dark mulatto, 6; Margaret, dark mulatto, 4; Polly Ann, mulatto, 4 mo. are given bond of freedom for taking care of David Roper until he died. p. 256: Know all men that we David Roper and Daniel F. James and Charles Jasper his scts. are held firmly bound to the Justice of County Court of Pulaski Co. in the sum of $1000, the payment of which will and truly to be made to said justice this 21 day of Aug. 1837. This obligation is such that whereas the said David Roper has Emancipated and set free his negro slaves to wit: Hector, Lucy, Green, Niagra, Violet, Margaret and Polly Ann." * The date of the bond 21 Aug 1837 seems to fix the date of the manumission shown two pages earlier. We are therefore given this information about the slaves and their ages: Hector, age abt 29 (b abt 1808) Lucy, age 27 (b abt 1810) Greene, age 10 (b abt 1827) Niagara, age 8 (b abt 1829) Violet, age 6 (b abt 1831) Margaret, age 4 (b abt 1833) Polly Ann, 4 mo. (b abt Apr 1837) * See also my post: Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, McNally Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1787.5.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The Census record for the James ROPER (b abt 1786 - NC) and Margaret ROPER (b abt 1800 - VA) enumerated in Monroe County, TN, in 1850 seems reasonably consistent with the marriage record from Blount, TN, showing the marriage of a James ROPER to a Peggy McNally on 23 Dec 1819. See: "Tennessee, Marriages, 1796-1950," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X85G-C3T : accessed 14 Mar 2014), James Roper and Peggy Mcnally, 23 Dec 1819; citing Blount, Tennessee, reference No 712A; FHL microfilm 2074003. Someone interested in this James ROPER and the McMinn, TN, ROPERs might want to get a look at the underlying original marriage record. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1787.5/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Frank: In reviewing this post from last year, it appears to me that you made a mistake in the calculation of James ROPER's implicit year of birth, at least in respect of this portion of your post: "1840 McMinn Co.: George Roper 21001-10001 90 Jas. Roper 00000001-0001001 100 James Roper is age 50-60. This would mean his birth date was 1810,if we compare this census record with the age range in the 1830 census. The oldest female is shown as age 40-50. There is a younger female age 15-20." If I am correct in understanding that the record tersely summarized above reflected a James ROPER age 50 to 59, this would seem to suggest that this James ROPER was born about 1781-90. You had previously observed: "The 1830 US census of Tennessee: McMinn Co.: James Roper 0 1 0 0 0 1 - 0 2 0 0 0 1 1 Page 152; A James Roper is shown to be age 30-40, consistent with a birth date between 1800 and 1810. James is again found in the 1840 McMinn, TN census, along with a younger George Roper 10 pages away. James is living next to Francis Reid and Jno McMahan." If the Census transcription is correct, then this seems to be consistent with a James ROPER (b abt 1791-1800). * You then go on to state: "James Roper does not appear in the 1850 McMinn County, TN census. Francis Reid and Jno McMahan are still residing next to each other, but there is no James Roper. I cannot find a similar James Roper in any 1850 census. There is a James Roper found in the 1860 Township 16 N Range 7 E, Douglas, ILL census. He is age 60, born in 1800, Kentucky. This would not match the 1810 birthdate of the James Roper in McMinn, TN." While I would tend to AGREE that the James ROPER in McMinn is inconsistent with both the 1830 and 1840 Census records AS SHOWN, I would encourage you to re-verify the posted Census data and to clarify the boundary between the male and female counts, especially in the 1830 records which is summarized in a way inconsistent with the presentation in the underlying Census enumeration. Hopefully, you posted figures you verified through Ancestry, since the data at Dave's site is often unreliable. If the posted figures are correct, would you agree that the 1830 and 1840 is actually consistent within a margin of reporting error, supporting a possible ascription that this James ROPER is: James ROPER (b abt 1791-1800) [1830] James ROPER (b abt 1781-90) [1840] Possibly to be interpreted that James ROPER was born abt 1790-1? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Lewis, Oden Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1743.6/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Frank: In reviewing this old thread, I realized that I had neglected to follow up to inquire what the original underlying images of the cited deeds actually showed as to details of the description of the land, parties and relationships in the deed abstracts you found. Am I correct in understanding that your current view is that the David ROPER, of Rhea, TN, was the David ROPER married to a Nancy LEWIS on 13 Jul 1801 in Caswell, NC? Would you agree that we have also conclusively established that this is a DIFFERENT David ROPER than the David Y. ROPER who was married to a Dionysia ABERNATHY and who settled in Giles County, TN? If so, are we now inclined to believe that this David ROPER also owned land in both Cumberland, KY, as well as McMinn, TN? What else do we now KNOW about this particular David ROPER in respect of the original deed records you identified above and from other sources? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1698.3.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.2.5/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Frank: You may recall that I have been encouraging you for some time to look up the ROPER deed records in the places you suspect that the David ROPERs of interest to your study are residing. See: "Precisely WHEN did the David ROPER in Cumberland, KY, SELL his land there. WHEN did David ROPER, of Rhea, TN, buy or sell his land? Precisely WHEN did David ROPER actually buy his land in Missouri? Are there other records in Kentucky, Tennessee or Missouri that can further inform our understanding of this ROPER family." Once you establish the presence of a family in a place, it is always a good idea to check both the extant tax records and deed records to more particularly establish WHEN a householder first arrived in a place and when that householder or landowner departed. Although I had suggested checking the records in Cumberland and Rhea, checking in other nearby places also makes sense. Especially when the Census records show a presence of the ROPER family in such a place. Since many Counties have some posted deed abstract information, checking the USGenWeb pages is a good first step. Making use of Lookup volunteers through USGenWeb OR posting a Query at the County page is also a very effective and efficient way to lean about deeds and tax records. Today, I checked the USGenWeb page for McMinn and found that they had posted a Grantor-Grantee summary of the early McMinn, TN, deeds. I found this mention at the McMinn site: 278 26 Feb. 1831 David Roper of Rhea co. to Solomon Hayes. Someone will need to pull the image of the deed and post a transcription to fully appreciate its significance. It seems to me that this record is highly suggestive that David ROPER, of Rhea, TN, was a landowner in McMinn, TN. Separately, please note that I also found a transfer by Joseph ROPER, of Shelby, AL. See: * * * How does this alter your thinking about the relationships between David ROPER, of Cumberland, KY, David ROPER, of Rhea, TN, and the others shown passing through McMinn, TN: Joseph ROPER, James ROPER, and George ROPER? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1854.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There seems to be an extant Deed of McMinn County, TN, Land to David CANTRELL (26 Aug 1841). The abstract of this transaction appearing at the USGenWeb McMinn County, Tennessee, site shows: "204 26 Aug 1841 JOSEPH ROPER of Shelby Co., AL to DAVID CANTRELL; land beginning near a fence or spring that WM. SMITH Sr. settled or built near to known as the Tanyard Spring." See: http://www.tngenweb.org/records/mcminn/land/pg5-67.htm * I have NOT viewed the underlying Census record. Someone with a keen interest in this family might want to obtain the images and post a complete transcription of this deed. * * * This record seems to tightly connect the Joseph ROPER enumerated in McMinn County, TN, in the 1830 Census enumeration with Joseph ROPER (b 11 Oct 1782 - VA, d 06 Sep 1864 - Columbiana, Shelby, AL). A James ROPER and a George ROPER were enumerated residing in McMinn County, TN, in the 1840 Census. The sale of the land in 1841 seems to be consistent with the possibility that Joseph ROPER might have retained ownership of this land which might have been occupied and farmed by one or more of his relatives, possibly including George Wallace ROPER (b 29 Nov 1817). Researchers may want to take a closer look at the counts for the Joseph ROPER and James ROPER enumerated in McMinn in 1830 and the James ROPER and George ROPER enumerated in 1840. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Jones Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1863/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Secondary sources report that a James ROPER (b 17 Oct 1800 - SC, d 15 Feb 1881 - TN), of Lawrence, TN, is interred at the Second Creek Cemetery, Five Points, Lawrence County, Tennessee. It is unclear to me what evidence supports the asserted dates of birth and death, but these seem to be generally reasonably consistent with the Census data. See: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Roper&GSiman=1&GScid=18248&GRid=17493753& * * * In 1850, James ROPER is enumerated at age 50 with wife Edny, age 39, and these youngsters: Mildred ?., age 20, born Tennessee Martha, age 19, born Tennessee Elizabeth, age 17, born Tennessee Eveline, age 15, born Tennessee Elza E., age 13, born Tennessee ? B., age 13, born Tennessee Kizziah, age 12, born Tennessee Nancy ?., age 9, born Tennessee Tabitha C., age 9, born Tennessee Joseph A., age 7, born Tennessee Thos. E., age 6, born Tennessee Cynthia, age 4, born Tennessee Jacob K., age 1, born Tennessee James is shown in this enumeration to be born in North Carolina, while Edny is shown to be born in South Carolina. See: "United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11930-122327-72?cc=1401638 : accessed 13 Mar 2014), Tennessee > Lawrence > Lawrence county > image 120 of 194; citing NARA microfilm publication M432. * In 1860, James ROPER is enumerated at age 60 with wife Edney, age 49 and these youngsters: James B. ROPER, age 23, born Tennessee Nancy T. ROPER, age 19, born Tennessee Joseph A. RPER, age 17, born Tennessee Tomas E. ROPER, age 15, born Tennessee Cynthia C. ROPER, age 13, born Tennessee Jacob K. ROPER, age 11, born Tennessee Sarah M. ROPER, age 8, born Tennessee James and Edney are each shown to be born in North Carolina in this Census enumeration. See: "United States Census, 1860," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M8TN-N28 : accessed 13 Mar 2014), James Roper, The 3rd Civil District, Lawrence, Tennessee, United States; citing "1860 U.S. Federal Census - Population," Fold3.com; p. 57, household ID 364, NARA microfilm publication M653; FHL microfilm 805260. * The 1880 Census enumeration for this James ROPER show him to be age 80, born in South Carolina, to parents born in Virginia and South Carolina. He is enumerated with second wife M. J. ROPER, age 39, daughter H. L. ROPER, age 10, and sons J. W. ROPER, age 7, and D. J. ROPER, age 5. See: "United States Census, 1880," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MD7G-3VS : accessed 13 Mar 2014), Jas Roper, District 3, Lawrence, Tennessee, United States; citing sheet 231A, NARA microfilm publication T9. * Extant marriage records show a marriage of James ROPER to Edney JONES on 16 Sep 1828 in Lauderdale, Alabama. Lauderdale County, AL, is the county to the immediate South of Lawrence County, TN, and is only a short walking distance from Five Points. * * * * * Various researchers seem to have made speculative, whimsical or fraudulent ascriptions as to the parents of this James ROPER. Those with actual insight into this family with reference to primary records are encouraged to post additional elaborating information. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Oliver, Holloway Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1862/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There is an old grave marker in the Montgomery Cemetery, Grant Parish, LA) showing the interment of a John W. ROPER (b 20 Dec 1813, d 15 Apr 1862 - Grant, LA). See: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Roper&GSiman=1&GScid=67322&GRid=81630956& There do not seem to be other ROPER graves within this cemetery. The genealogical information seems most consistent with the secondary information posted by some sources for a John William ROPER shown by these secondary sources to be born December 17, 1813, and to have died in 1862. These sources represent that this John William ROPER died at the Battle of Chickamauga, in Walker, Georgia. The Battle of Chickamauga was fought a year later on September 19-20, 1863. * * * The indicated year of birth is consistent with the Census record for J. W. ROPER, age 37, born South Carolina, enumerated with wife Martha and four children residing in Natchitoches Parish, LA, in the 1850 Census. Wife Martha is also shown to be age 37 and born in South Carolina. The eldest son Edward is shown to be age 16, born in South Carolina, as is daughter Mary, age 14. Daughter Francis is shown to be age 11, born in Alabama, seemingly placing this John W. ROPER in Alabama by the date of the 1840 Census. Son J.W. ROPER, age 26, is also shown to be born in Alabama. There is a Thomas OLIVER, age 26, born in Alabama, also residing within the John W. ROPER household. See: "United States Census, 1850," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MCJ4-YV4 : accessed 13 Mar 2014), J W Roper, Natchitoches parish, Natchitoches, Louisiana, United States; citing family 404, NARA microfilm publication M432. Grant Parish is immediately adjacent to and East of Natchitoches Parish, separated by the Red River. Grant Parish was created from Rapides Parish in 1869 following the Civil War. The town of Montgomery is near the east bank of the Red River. * J. W. ROPER, age 46, is again enumerated within Natchitoches parish with M.E. ROPER, age 46, M. E. ROPER, age 8 (born LA), and C. A. ROPER, age 6 (born LA). See: "United States Census, 1860," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MFPW-6JL : accessed 13 Mar 2014), J W Roper, , Natchitoches, Louisiana, United States; citing "1860 U.S. Federal Census - Population," Fold3.com; p. 69, household ID 605, NARA microfilm publication M653; FHL microfilm 803414. * Martha E. ROPER, age 55, and Mattie ROPER, age 18, are also enumerated in Louisiana in the 1870 Census. "United States Census, 1870," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M877-GJ7 : accessed 13 Mar 2014), Martha E Roper, Louisiana, United States; citing p. 44, family 389, NARA microfilm publication M593, FHL microfilm 000552017. * * * Martha Elvira Holloway ROPER is shown to be interred within the Salado Cemetery, Bell County, Texas. The grave marker is modern. Photos of both this grave marker and of Martha Elivra Holloway ROPER appear at the Find a Grave site: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Roper&GSbyrel=all&GSdy=1901&GSdyrel=before&GSst=46&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GSsr=41&GRid=52960809&df=all& * * * Secondary sources suggest that this John W. ROPER is the son of Daniel ROPER and Elizabeth ADAMS and that he was born in Edgefield, South Carolina. To the the extent this is true, it seems that this John W. ROPER was the grandson of David ROPER, discussed within several recent posts. Those with a keen interest in this family might want to re-verify their assertions about the Civil War service of this John W. ROPER. While I have no specific information about his Civil War service record, it seems doubtful that this John ROPER died at the Battle of Chickamauga. Does anyone else have any information about this ROPER family? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1743.4.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Frank: What do you make of the close conformance of the slave data in David ROPER's 1830 Census record in Rhea to the four slaves identified within the 1820 prenuptial agreement between David ROPER and Sarah CLARK in Pulaski. I realize that I had also previously noted that the 1820 Census record for David ROPER (b bef 1776), of Crooked Creek, Washington County, Illinois, is consistent with that of the second David ROPER in Pulaski. Might David ROPER have first migrated to Washington County, IL, and then returned to Rhea, TN? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Fulbright, Cannon, Lawson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1698.3.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.2.4.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Frank: You may recall that I urged you to consider the possibility that Charles Jackson ROPER and/or Philip Lawson ROPER might be closely related to David ROPER in a series of posts a little more than a year ago. Although I believe that I posted some information abstracted from the book "Past and Present of Greene County, Missouri, Vol. I" by Jonathan FAIRBANKS and Clyde Edwin TUCK (Indianapolis, IN: A. W. Bowen & Company, 1915), I am unsure whether I noticed and included some of the genealogical details noted within the sketch of William Henry FULBRIGHT (b 15 Aug 1837 - Greene, MO), David ROPER's grandson. The sketch appears online at the Archive.org site, so I am NOT going to attempt to transcribe the entire thing here, but will excerpt below what I think are the significant genealogical details: "He is the son of John Lawson and Elizabeth O. (Roper) Fulbright. He is the scion of two old American families of colonial stock. His grandfather, David Roper was a soldier in the war of 1812, and fought at the battle of Horse Shoe under Gen. Andrew Jackson. The great-grandfather on his mother's side was a soldier in the Revolutionary war." Later, we are told: "John L. Fulbright, father of the immediate subject of this sketch, was born on October 11, 1816, and was therefore thirteen years of age when he came with his parents to Greene county and here he grew to manhood and engaged in farming. ... The death of John L. Fulbright occurred on October 31, 1882, on the old farm in Campbell township. His wife, who was born in Tennessee in 1816, died on the homestead here June 21, 1885." * * * Admittedly, this is a secondary rather than primary source, but it was written vastly closer in time to the events during the memory of grandchildren and great-grandchildren, and focused on that particular place. Other details mostly check out. While I wouldn't totally rely upon all assertions, I would consider any assertion within the book to be worthy of investigation! Although the sketch does NOT specify the identity of the great-grandfather who served in the Revolutionary war, it is specified that this is a great-grandfather on William Henry FULBRIGHT's mother's side (Elizabeth ROPER), indicating that either David ROPER's father fought in the revolution OR that David ROPER's wife's father was a Revolutionary War soldier. This David ROPER was known to be married to Rebecca CANNON. We are also given specific dates for Elizabeth ROPER's (b 1816 - TN, d 21 Jun 1885 - Greene, MO) birth and death. In Greene County, we find again the concurrence of the names ROPER and LAWSON. Greene County is WALKING distance from Arkansas where Charles Jackson ROPER is later found. The family of David ROPER always seemed to me to be a central clue to identifying the origins of Charles Jackson ROPER and Philip Lawson ROPER and I continue to be baffled at the effort you seem to put in to connect your lines to various ROPER ancestors for whom there is still minimal evidence of a direct connection. I would encourage you to further elaborate the genealogy of this interesting Missouri ROPER family, which may very well have migrated together with the LAWSON family, and suspect that you are going to discover that this David ROPER is a brother, uncle, first, or second cousin. Identification of the Revolutionary ancestor of William Henry FULBRIGHT (b 15 Aug 1837 - Greene, MO) may be as simple as looking him up in a DAR lineage book. The ancestor is going to be a ROPER or a CANNON. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1758.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: By accident, I have recently stumbled across a couple of posts by other researchers who seem to believe that David ROPER (b 08 Jun 1792 - SC, d 17 Apr 1878 - Lawrence, MO), of Greene County, Missouri, was a minister. In a post at the Christian County, MO, Message Board, I found this Query: Roper (12 May 1998 2:00AM) "Searching for information about Reverend David Roper. He first lived in Greene County,MO. It is said that he moved to Christian County, MO. This time period was 1830's in Greene and about 1840 movement to Christian. There were two David Ropers that came to this area but the second did not come to Missouri until after 1850. Rev. Davids wife we think was Rebecca or Elizabeth.They came to Missouri from Hardeman County, TN. Thanks for the help. Regards, C.M." http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.christian/130/mb.ashx * A similar terse post by the same researcher appeared two years later at the Greene County Message Board: "Roper" (28 Mar 2001 1:00AM) "Searching for any information about Rev. David Roper who came to Greene Co. MO in the 1830 era. Please contact me. C.M." http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.greene/251.572/mb.ashx * This post appeared in December of last year at the Ozarks Genealogy site of the Springfield, MO, News Leader: Ozarks Genealogy (December 9, 2013) "Query: ROPER: C.M. E-mail: [See linked Post for e-mail address] I would like to correspond with anyone researching the Roper name, descendants of Rev. David Roper and wife Rebecca. Their descendants were in an area from Springfield to Joplin Missouri. I am not sure but think the car dealership at Joplin is in fact descendants of this group. Thanks," http://www.news-leader.com/legacy/genealogy/queries568.shtml The Query resulted in this reply: "Reply: The following information is taken from findagrave.com, Biography by Wanda (Hendricks) Blackwell. David "Davied" Roper Memorial Photos Flowers Edit Share Birth: Jun. 8, 1792 South Carolina, USA Death: Apr. 17, 1878 Stotts City, Lawrence County, Missouri. Husband of Rebecca Cannon. Father of William F. and David S. Roper. The 1850 Census shows him living next door to William F. and David S. Roper. His occupation is a carpenter. Two different places have been found for his birthplace, South Carolina and Alabama. Burial: Union Cemetery Stotts City Lawrence County Missouri, Inscription: Aged 85 Y. 10 M. 9 D. There is a picture of his marker at findagrave.com. Note: Birthdate calculated from information on marker. Spouse: Rebecca Roper (1795 - 1846) Children: Elizabeth O. Roper Fulbright (1816 - 1881), William F. Roper (1819 - 1895), David S. Roper (1836 - ____) Rebecca Roper, Birth: Jan. 6, 1795, Death: Dec. 4, 1846 Spouse: David Roper (1792 - 1878)* Children: Elizabeth O. Roper Fulbright (1816 - 1881), William F. Roper (1819 - 1895), David S. Roper (1836 - ____). Burial: Union Campground Cemetery Springfield, Greene County, Missouri. There is a picture of her marker at findagrave.com. Elizabeth O. Roper Fulbright, Birth: Aug. 11, 1816 Tennessee, Death: June 21, 1881 Springfield, Greene County, Missouri. Burial: Julian/Fulbright/Owen Family Cemetery Battlefield, Greene County, Missouri. Elizabeth O.(Roper) Fulbright was the oldest daughter of Rev. David and Rebecca (Cannon) Roper. She came with her folks from Tennessee where the subjects Mother resided. Migrating to St. Louis County, but traveled to what is now north Springfield, Missouri. They lived near what was then the end of the city limits at Campbell Township. Here she met Lawson Fulbright and married in 1835. Elizabeth's Mother died in 1846 probably at home, Campbell Township, Greene County, Missouri. The Ropers stayed in Greene County until the Civil War broke out, this was a hotbed. They went to Kansas, but returned and settled in Lawrence County, Missouri near Stotts City. Here they remained, David, William and David S. Roper and their wives and families. Some of the descendants of these Ropers now live in Joplin, Missouri. Parents: David Roper (1792 - 1878) Rebecca Roper (1795 - 1846). Spouse: John Lawson Fulbright (1816 - 1882). Children: Joanna Catherine "Cassie" Fulbright Lee (1842 - 1870) Major William F. Roper, Birth: May 10, 1819 Tennessee Death: Oct. 20, 1895 Stotts City, Lawrence County, Missouri. William is a Civil War Veteran participating as a Captain and Major and fought in the Battle of Wilson's Creek. The Kansas State Census Collection taken June, 1865 has William F. Roper and his father David living with the J.F. Barnes Family in Kentucky Twp., Jefferson Co., Kansas. Next door to them is D.S. Roper, (David S. Roper, 1836), Dorthula and their family. The 1870 Census has the Roper and Barnes Families living side by side in Vineyard Twp., Lawrence Co., Missouri. Also living with W.F. is a David Roper age 79, born in Alabama, but the 1850 Census indicates he was born in South Carolina. Parents: David Roper (1792 - 1878) Rebecca Roper (1795 - 1846) Spouse: Ruth Jane Snow Roper (1844 - 1923) Children: William M. Roper (1868 - 1896), John W. Roper (1872 - 1940), Mary E Roper (1873 - 1895), Minnie E Roper (1883 - 1895). Burial: Union Cemetery Stotts City Lawrence County Missouri, A picture of his marker is at findagrave.com. Inscription: Aged 76 Yrs. 5 Mo. 10 Ds. Note: Birthdate is calculated from information on the marker. Ruth Jane Snow Roper, Birth: March 6, 1844, Illinois, Death: Dec. 10, 1923 Stotts City, Lawrence County, Missouri. Burial: Union Cemetery Stotts City, Lawrence County, Missouri. Inscription: Aged 79 Yrs. 7 Mo. 4 Ds. Note: Birthdate calculated from information on marker. Her parents are Martin and Mary Snow, both born 1820 in Kentucky. Both her maternal grandparents were born in Ireland. Spouse: William F. Roper (1819 - 1895), Children: William M Roper (1868 - 1896), John W Roper (1872 - 1940), Mary E Roper (1873 - 1895), Minnie E Roper (1883 - 1895). David S. Roper, Birth: 1836 Death: unknown. Burial: Unknown. The 1865 Kansas Census shows David and Dorthula Marilla Bewley living in Kentucky Twp., Jefferson County, Kansas with the following family, William Harvey Sr., R.J., Mary Louise, David Anthony, J.R.K. By the 1870 census she was married to Hezekiah Davenport and living in Vineyard Twp., Lawrence County, Missouri and added to the family was Sarah M. Roper (born 1866). Since he was living in Kentucky Township, Jefferson County, Kansas in 1865 then he could be buried in that area. Biography by Wanda (Hendricks) Blackwell. Parents: David Roper (1792 - 1878) Rebecca Roper (1795 - 1846). Spouse: Dorthula Marilla Bewley Roper (1835 - 1915). Children: Mary Louise Roper Batson (1860 - 1939), David Anthony Roper (1862 - 1923). Dorthula Marilla Bewley Roper. Birth: June 4, 1835 in Roane County Tennessee, Death: Jan. 31, 1915 Lawrence County, Missouri. Burial: Union Cemetery Stotts City, Lawrence County Missouri. Inscription: The top of the stone is inscribed with "MOTHER". Dorthula's stone is next to David A. Roper, her son. Daughter of Rev. Anthony Bewley (1804 - 1860) and Jane (Winton) Bewley (1814 - 1894). Her first husband was David S. Roper and they got married on October 2, 1855 in Greene County, Missouri. On the marriage record of David S. Roper and Dorthula, her maiden name was transcribed Beeby. Records indicate they had 3 sons and 3 daughters. One of the daughters was Mary Louise Roper, married to George Washington Batson. After David Roper died she married Hezekiah Davenport. Spouse: David S. Roper (1836 - ____) Children: Mary Louise Roper Batson (1860 - 1939), David Anthony Roper (1862 - 1923).a" * * * I have NO PRIMARY INFORMATION that supports the assertion that this David ROPER was known as "Rev. David ROPER", but given the number of early ROPER ministers this also seems plausible. I have posted responses to both of the Message Board Posts and will separately correspond with the researcher via e-mail. This David ROPER was NOT YET BORN at the date of the 1790 U.S. Census for Rutherford, NC, in which a Rev. David ROPER was enumerated. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Miller, Roper, Tompkins, Lindley Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1860/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I stumbled across an interesting old record of a marriage of Thomas MILLER and Mary M. LINDLY in Vigo County, Indiana, while searching for something else. Because the record is rather obscure and might be of some use to a descendent of this couple, I wanted to share the record on the ROPER Message Board. The record appears to me to be MISINDEXED at the Family Search site, probably due to the unusual organization of the data on the underlying primary record, which appears to me to span SIX pages across THREE Family Search images. Family Search uses volunteers of varying experience and competence to index newly posted records. In my view, the Indexer may not have taken the time to fully understand the unusual organization of the underlying data which appears to me to be IMPROPERLY labeled by spreading data across consecutive pages CONTRARY to the column headings. The underlying images for this record can be viewed for FREE at the Family Search site for those registered for a FREE account: * The Thomas MILLER - Mary M. LINDLY marriage entry is at line 22. On the first of six pages [Image 180 of 337], the Full Name of the Groom [1], Place of Residence of Groom [3], Age at NEXT Birthday (of Groom) [3], Color (of Groom) [4] and Occupation [5] are Given. On the NEXT Page (same image), the (Groom's) Place of Birth [6], (Groom's) Father's Name [7], (By) Whom Married [19] and Date of Marriage [20] is identified. "Indiana, Marriages, 1811-1959," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-31708-4760-85?cc=1410397 : accessed 12 Mar 2014), Vigo > 1892-1896 Volume 4-M. Then, on the FOLLOWING page (next image) [Image 181 of 337], the record continues with the Full Name of Groom [1], then (Groom's) Mother's Maiden Name [8], No. of (Groom's) Marriage [9], Full Name of Bride [10], [Next Page] (Bride's) Place of Residence [11], (Bride's) Age NEXT Birthday [12], Color [13], (By) Whom Married [19], and Date of Marriage [20]. "Indiana, Marriages, 1811-1959," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-31708-4674-76?cc=1410397 : accessed 12 Mar 2014), Vigo > 1892-1896 Volume 4-M. On the third consecutive image [Image 182 of 337], the fifth page continues, first repeating the Full Name of Groom [1], Place of Birth (of Bride) [14], (Bride's) Father's Name [15], (Bride's) Mother's Maiden Name [16], No. of Bride's Marriage [17], Place of Marriage [18], (By) Whom Married [19] and Date of Marriage [20]. "Indiana, Marriages, 1811-1959," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-31708-5093-8?cc=1410397 : accessed 12 Mar 2014), Vigo > 1892-1896 Volume 4-M. The parentheticals are MY interpretation of the data based upon content and organization. The numbers in brackets are column numbers actually identified in the Marriage Book. As can be seen, some of the information across pages is redundant. Until one carefully studies these records, the organization of the data across six consecutive pages is hardly intuitive. But the wealth of genealogical information given is a real goldmine! Below, I have summarized the information exactly given, without omitting duplicates: [Image 180 of 337] Full Name of the Groom [1]: Thomas MILLER Place of Residence of Groom [2]: Jeffersonville, Ind. Age at NEXT Birthday (of Groom) [3]: 59 Color (of Groom) [4]: Brown Occupation [5]: Carpenter (Groom's) Place of Birth [6]: Jefferson County, Ky. (Groom's) Father's Name [7]: Ruben [sic] (By) Whom Married [19]: Y. STEWART Date of Marriage [20]: Mch 28 '94 (28 Mar 1894) [Image 181 of 337] Full Name of Groom [1]: Thomas MILLER (Groom's) Mother's Maiden Name [8]: Milly TOMPKINS No. of (Groom's) Marriage [9]: 2 Full Name of Bride [10]: Mary M. LINDLEY (Bride's) Place of Residence [11]: Vigo Co., Ind. (Bride's) Age NEXT Birthday [12]: 57 Color [13]: Mulatto (By) Whom Married [19]: Y. STEWART Date of Marriage [20]: Mch 28 '94 (28 Mar 1894) [Image 182 of 337] Full Name of Groom [1]: Thomas MILLER Place of Birth (of Bride) [14]: Pulaski County, Ky. (Bride's) Father's Name [15]: Hector ROPER (Bride's) Mother's Maiden Name [16]: Lucy A. ROPER No. of (Bride's) Marriage [17]: 2 Place of Marriage [18]: Vigo Co. (Indiana) (By) Whom Married [19]: James Y. STEWART Date of Marriage [20]: Mch 28 '94 (28 Mar 1894) * * * Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Clark Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1851.1.1.2.1.1.2.1.1.1.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: On a bit of a whim, I thought it might be interesting to further identify the Sarah CLARK who married David ROPER in Pulaski, KY, in 1820. Dave ROPER's Kentucky page notes: "Mrs. Yorke Burdine, Rt. 3, Box 213 BC, Somerset, KY 42501 (decd before 1989) states: Sarah Clark was the widow of James Clark who died in Shelby Co. in 1811." No further primary support for this assertion is given. It occurred to me to search for marriages of James CLARKs to Sarahs at FamilySearch.org, and this immediately presented a rather interesting result that seems to fit too nicely to be a coincidence: James CLARK m Sarah FITZPATRICK on 21 Jan 1799 in Amherst County, VA. Realize that the witnesses to the David ROPER - Sarah CLARK prenuptial agreement were: Edwin Fitzpatrick, Peter W. Clark. The witness to the Pulaski, KY, deed of David and Sarah CLARK to Brink ELLIOTT in 1821 is shown to be John Fitzpatrick. Whether these FITZPATRICKs are brothers or sons from a prior marriage is unclear. This seems to me to be highly unlikely to be a mere coincidence, though rather than making an ascription I would identify this as an avenue for additional investigation for those with an interest in this David ROPER and Sarah CLARK. It would still be a good idea to get a look at the deed to Brink ELLIOTT as well as the 1839 David ROPER Will. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1851.1.1.2.1.1.2.1.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Frank: As you know from my other recent posts, I now realize that I intemperately speculated that the second David ROPER enumerated living in Pulaski County in 1810 might be David ROPER (b 29 Jun 1742, d abt 1802 - Edgefield, SC), son of Charles and Ann ROPER. I failed to more thoroughly consult my notes regarding this David ROPER before the extemporaneous post above. To prevent others viewing this thread from being misled as to this possibility, I would both retract my statement above shown below and refer researchers to my recent post: "Edgefield, SC, Administration of Estate of David ROPER (1802)" (10 Mar 2014 4:34AM) http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.roper/1859.6/mb.ashx Retracted Argument: "One possibility is that the second David ROPER in Pulaski in 1810 was actually David ROPER (b 29 Jun 1742), son of Charles and Ann ROPER. The evidence for this is admittedly exceptionally THIN yet is far more persuasive than the evidence marshaled in favor of the ascription you propose." Since this David ROPER was already DEAD, he clearly wasn't the David ROPER shown in the 1810 Pulaski enumeration. Even so, I would make two other points. First, ABSENT the additional information that this David ROPER was dead, the Census information and the deeds from 1819 seem consistent with such an ascription and were stronger evidence than that that you marshaled. I say this as a caution to making speculative ascriptions rather than asserting that my argument was "right". My argument was WRONG, but was consistent with the data EXCEPT FOR David ROPER's prior probate. Second, I would observe that several of the Dinwiddie ROPERs, including this David ROPER and his SON named David ROPER were SLAVE OWNERS. This is an important distinguishing detail. The second David ROPER might still turn out to be the son of David ROPER (b 29 Jun 1742, d abt 1802 - Edgefield, SC). Slave counts and slave identities are EXCEPTIONALLY IMPORTANT in Colonial genealogy! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper, Clark Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1851.1.1.2.1.1.2.1.1.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In the post above, you had again emphasized the primary record reflecting the prenuptial agreement between a David ROPER and a Sarah CLARK. I would first observe that no one seems to have yet pulled the extant Will for this David ROPER. I have seen people discuss this Revolutionary War veteran in various written/printed Queries over the years in advance of Internet genealogy. And he has been much discussed at this Message Board. But NO ONE has bothered to get the Will to find out WHAT IT SAYS. To me, speculating about these various relationships, beyond a certain point is a complete waste of energy. One develops a theory and then TESTS THE THEORY by obtaining actual data rather than moving from a questionable conclusion to a new theory based upon the shaky foundations of the prior inquiry. If the identity of the ROPERs in Rutherford is important to your investigation as to the origins of Charles Jackson ROPER or Philip Lawson ROPER, one simply OBTAINS the primary records, transcribes them and follows the data where it leads. The answer to some of your questions may very well be in that Will or the associated probate data. * Earlier in this thread, you identified the Census data for David ROPER, of Pulaski, in the 1820 and 1830 Census: "In the 1820 Pulaski census, there is only one David Roper family left in Pulaski, KY, who now has to be the Revolutionary War Veteran: David Roper 45 plus 1 male 26-44 1 female 45 plus 1 female 16-25" * "David Roper can again be seen in the 1830 Pulaski County, KY census on Ancestry.com: David Roper 70-79 1 female 50-59 No children" Neither of these posts identified the slave counts. * The 1810 Census data is somewhat ambiguous as to which David ROPER is the Revolutionary War Veteran. The prenuptial agreement with Sarah CLARK made in April 1820 states: "whereas the said David Roper is sirgrd? of certain lan or property and tenements to the amount of 285 acres whereon he now lives on part thereof and certain slaves, to wit: Dick, Linany, Sewer & Linny." Does David ROPER's 1820 Census record reflect ownership of four slaves? What are the genders and age distributions of the slaves shown in the 1820 Census record for David ROPER? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>