Well guys I don't know how outdated Frontpage express might be nor do I really care. It is the simplest program I have ever found for anyone that wants to build websites and doesn't know how or doesn't know any html. Stones webwriter is the best program I have found for editing those webpages Core FTP is simply I like it <grin>. Check out these websites that are just a couple of my several websites. All build with Frontpage express, maintained with Frontpage Express and Stones Webwriter, and all put online with Core Ftp at rootsweb. And I don't know a single thing about html except what I have learned from maintaining my websites on Stones. http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyclay2/ Clay County KyGenWeb http://www.freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sizemoregenealogy/ a nice personal genealogy family website Plus I have the Whitley County and Leslie County Ky AHGP sites A Monhollen Family Research Website Assistant Coordinator to the McCreary County KyGenWeb and I built half or more of those pages there as I used to be the Coordinator until I traded for Clay County. I also help maintain the state of Kentucky counties on AHGP as I am the Assistant State Coordinator. And all with those three simple programs that when I started I never knew anything about building webpages! So I recommend all three programs to anyone who likes those two websites or any of the others. Della Goodin [email protected] wrote: Today's Topics: 1. If you need help putting up or building webpages here is answer (della) 2. Re: If you need help putting up or building webpages here is answer (Glenn Gilbert) 3. Re: If you need help putting up or building webpages here is answer (Patricia Geary) 4. Re: If you need help putting up or building webpages here is answer (Jeff Owens) 5. Re: If you need help putting up or building webpages here is answer (nelhatch) 6. Re: web page design (Jim Rickenbacker(3)) 7. Re: web page design (Doug & Ruth Poole) 8. Members Only Section (Richard Roitman) 9. web page design (Michael) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:34:01 -0800 (PST) From: della Subject: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] If you need help putting up or building webpages here is answer To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 You can download for free frontpage express. It works just like microsoft word. No html is needed at all. The buttons at the top are almost just like words. just type in at your browser window: free frontpage express and go into it and download it! Build your page on this just like you were building a microsoft word page almost and hit save. Another tool I find helpful is Stones Webwriter. You can get it free too. Again go to your browser window and type in Free English Version Stones Webwriter. And simply download it. This program lets you see your built page as is and in html. With this program you can also learn html easily, and make changes to your webpages with copy and paste much easier! Need a good free ftp? Try Core FTP! Again go to your browser type in: Free Core Ftp and download it for free! Assistant State Coordinator for KY AHGP: http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyahgp/ CC for Whitley County KY AHGP: http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyahgp/whitley/index.htm CC for Clay County KyGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyclay2/ CC for Leslie County KY AHGP: http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyahgp/leslie/index.htm Webmaster for Sizemore Genealogy Research Website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sizemoregenealogy/index.htm Webmaster for Monhollen Genealogy Research Website: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~sizemoregenealogy/ --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:16:59 -0800 From: Glenn Gilbert Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] If you need help putting up or building webpages here is answer To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Does Frontpage Express produce "clean HTML" or is it littered with proprietary M$ extensions? According to Webmasters FAQ: "RootsWeb does not presently support Microsoft Front Page 98 extensions." http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/wizards/webmasters.html#msfp98 I'd assume current versions of Frontpage use propriety extensions as well. della wrote: > You can download for free frontpage express. It works just like microsoft word. No html is needed at all. The buttons at the top are almost just like words. just type in at your browser window: free frontpage express and go into it and download it! Build your page on this just like you were building a microsoft word page almost and hit save. > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:51:48 -0500 From: Patricia Geary Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] If you need help putting up or building webpages here is answer To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]hia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:16 PM 11/15/2006, you wrote: >Does Frontpage Express produce "clean HTML" or is it littered with >proprietary M$ extensions? >According to Webmasters FAQ: "RootsWeb does not presently support >Microsoft Front Page 98 extensions." >http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/wizards/webmasters.html#msfp98 >I'd assume current versions of Frontpage use propriety extensions as well. ================snip======= I can not speak for fp express and I would question using such an outdated program when newer free programs are available BUT FrontPage will create clean compliant code if used correctly. You have to know what to use and what not to use. If you use the navigation features and the themes and the phot gallery among others, FP will create code that will not validate. If you know your program - be it frontpage, expression web, dreamweaver or whatever - the code you create will validate easily. This site http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/ as are all my sites, were created with frontpage and/or Expression Web. They validate. pat ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:55:26 -0500 From: Jeff Owens Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] If you need help putting up or building webpages here is answer To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Wow, going back to anything from 1998 is a stretch. Microsoft in general has always used extensions and scrpts that don't play on everybody's server or browser software. The application here for a beginner's web site doesn't really pertain to these much higher generation concerns. Today we have XML, SHTML, etc. all far much more than original HTML 4.0 which is fine for a genealogy web site. I used Front Page Express for years. It came with earlier MS bundles. It didn't come with Win XP. It isn't supported anymore by MS, the last time I checked their site. Obviously, they found it far more profitable to sell the full version of Front Page. I think you could use Front Page Express and produce a page that works. You could also explore some of the many free downloads you can find by searching. As in all things on the internet, nothing is 100% intuitive. Web site construction does involve a learning curve, and some study of the principles behind the software. Good luck in setting up your site, Jeff Owens Glenn Gilbert wrote: >Does Frontpage Express produce "clean HTML" or is it littered with >proprietary M$ extensions? >According to Webmasters FAQ: "RootsWeb does not presently support >Microsoft Front Page 98 extensions." >http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/wizards/webmasters.html#msfp98 >I'd assume current versions of Frontpage use propriety extensions as well. > >della wrote: > > >>You can download for free frontpage express. It works just like microsoft word. No html is needed at all. The buttons at the top are almost just like words. just type in at your browser window: free frontpage express and go into it and download it! Build your page on this just like you were building a microsoft word page almost and hit save. >> >> >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:08:08 -0700 From: "nelhatch" Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] If you need help putting up or building webpages here is answer To: Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original HATCHER website: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/faq.htm HATCHER DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hatDNA.htm HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm Researching: Cook, Hall, Hatcher, Miller, Shepherd, Timberman "Genealogy without Documentation is Nothing" - Paul Drake I have also been using FP Express for years. When I saw what the "new improved" FP generated in the way of "code", creating excessive code that produced a page 3X the size as that produced by an FPE page, I stuck with FPE and still use it. While I agree that any software requires a learning curve, I found FPE relatively simple to use and since I like working on the KISS principle, I'll stay with it......... Nel ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:25:01 -0600 From: "Jim Rickenbacker\(3\)" Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] web page design To: Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Doug, If you can do data base design then web pages should not be too much of a problem. I have a small tutorial that may help get you started. Take a look at "HTML Editing" on this page: http://borisbrooks.com/comp/ The HTML tutorial referenced at the bottom of the HTML Editing page is an excellent one to take you further. Jim Rickenbacker Kingwood, TX Home Page: http://borisbrooks.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug & Ruth Poole" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] web page design >I am no where near getting it functioning. Trying to figure out how to > construct it. > My work has always been with data base design. Web page construction > is new to me. > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:36:33 -0500 From: "Doug & Ruth Poole" Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] web page design To: Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks for all the help. Today was several Doctors appointments. Tomorrow I will get this project done. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Rickenbacker(3) To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] web page design Doug, If you can do data base design then web pages should not be too much of a problem. I have a small tutorial that may help get you started. Take a look at "HTML Editing" on this page: http://borisbrooks.com/comp/ The HTML tutorial referenced at the bottom of the HTML Editing page is an excellent one to take you further. Jim Rickenbacker Kingwood, TX Home Page: http://borisbrooks.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug & Ruth Poole" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] web page design >I am no where near getting it functioning. Trying to figure out how to > construct it. > My work has always been with data base design. Web page construction > is new to me. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:18:35 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Roitman Subject: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Members Only Section To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Does anyone know if I can create a members only, password protected (presumably) area of our genealogical society website? If so, instructions would be nice so this novice web master can do it. Thanks in advance. Rick ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:13:40 -0600 From: "Michael" Subject: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] web page design To: Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Doug, et al- The single best site I've found is located at the following URL. It contains virtually everything you'll need on HTML, CSS and more involved projects. Enjoy. http://www.w3schools.com/default.asp Michael <--------------------------------------------> -Webmaster for the New York State Biographies Project: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nybiog/ -Webmaster for the Sauk Co. Wisconsin American History and Genealogy Project (AHGP) http://www.rootsweb.com/~wisauk2/ -Webmaster for the Sauk Co. Wisconsin Biographies Project: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiscbio/ -Webmaster for the Richland Co. Wisconsin Biographies Project: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiricbio/ -Webmaster for the Door County Wisconsin American History and Genealogy Project (AHGP) (site under construction) at http://www.rootsweb.com/~widoor/ -Moderator for the Rootsweb Burdick Seventh Day Baptist mailing list: [email protected] -Moderator for the Rootsweb Concannon mailing list: [email protected] -Administrator of the Rootsweb Burdick Message Board: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.burdick -Administrator of the Rootsweb Hoxie Message Board: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.hoxie -Adm ------------------------------ To contact the ROOTSWEB-HELP list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the ROOTSWEB-HELP mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ROOTSWEB-HELP Digest, Vol 1, Issue 3 ******************************************* Assistant State Coordinator for KY AHGP: http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyahgp/ CC for Whitley County KY AHGP: http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyahgp/whitley/index.htm CC for Clay County KyGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyclay2/ CC for Leslie County KY AHGP: http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyahgp/leslie/index.htm Webmaster for Sizemore Genealogy Research Website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sizemoregenealogy/index.htm Webmaster for Monhollen Genealogy Research Website: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~sizemoregenealogy/ --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new house payment

HATCHER website: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/faq.htm HATCHER DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hatDNA.htm HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm Researching: Cook, Hall, Hatcher, Miller, Shepherd, Timberman "Genealogy without Documentation is Nothing" - Paul Drake Della wrote: "It is the simplest program I have ever found for anyone that wants to build websites and doesn't know how or doesn't know any html". I hesitated to overstress the simplicity of FPE because I WAS a retired computer programmer when I got into genealogy. And before I discovered FPE, I learned basic HTML and was coding my pages from scratch. The language was quick and easy for me to learn since I saw similarities to computer languages I had used in my working life. That background also made it easier for me to quickly understand FPE. But that may not be true for someone with NO experience. But if Della, who admits to no computer languages experience, found FPE easy, I'd say her opinion carries more weight than mine. Nel