Pat makes some really good points that I'd like to underline. The secret is in knowing the program you use and what features create code that is not compliant. -- You're totally right and I just never had the patience to work with a program enough to get to know it's ins and outs to the extent that I could do this. A template you download from the Internet whether free or paid is only as good as the person who originally wrote it. -- Definitely a good caveat. Templates aren't the best option for everyone. You have to be able to look at the code and tell if it's going to work or not. Some templates are made, as you mentioned above, using features of a program that create non-compliant code. Style sheets are not funky. -- I didn't mean funky in a bad way. It's just different enough from straight HTML that it can be tricky. I use them on quite a few of my pages and they can save a LOT of time and they can also make your file size smaller depending on the amount of formatting. Learn html http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp Learn xhtml http://www.w3schools.com/xhtml/default.asp Learn css http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp -- I meant to link to this site in my last post and forgot. W3 Schools is an excellent site. It's not going to give you a totally complete education on these languages, but there is no better reference that I have found for learning the basics and for referring back to when I can't remember a tag or format. But it's all personal preference. I don't think anyone here is trying to suggest that one way is "better" than the other. We're just comparing notes on the methods we like to use and why. Those who have found editors they're happy with can disregard these messages, those who aren't happy with their editors and are interested in trying something different can give it a shot. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com