At 09:01 AM 3/23/2007, you wrote: >I'm strongly opposed to the use of most web authoring tools. FP is >not as bad as some, but it still creates a page that is at least >twice the size of a well done hand coded page. Have you taken a look >at CoffeeCup? It allows you to switch back and forth between WYSIWYG >and code and it doesn't mess with the code if you do it your own way. > > I haven't looked at a recently generated FP page. But, most > </td> and </tr> tags are not requred in a table. The browser > assumes they are there if a new <td> or <tr> tag is encountered. If > FP is not putting the end tags in, it could be much more difficult > to debug a table. ===========snip=========== Any web authoring tool is only as good as the person who is using it be in FrontPage, Dreamweaver, etc. etc. You have to know how to use a program and what parts of the program will create "junk" code. However, unless you know HOW to write valid html code, a hand coded page can be just as bad. Please let us not get in a discussion of the various web editors. That was not my purpose in writing this. As far as I know, in trying to validate your pages, a page with table codes that are not closed will NOT validate. I have never seen FrontPage not put ending/closing tags on each element. Why should we worry about creating accessible tables? Not everyone who visits your site may be a sighted viewer. Some may use a screen reader. I found this tonight and thought I would share it. http://www.webaim.org/techniques/tables/ pat ---------- We discuss FrontPage and Expression Web http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/frontpage/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/expression-web/ Genealogy Web Design Tips and Tutorials http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/ http://www.blog.family-genealogy-online.com/

Patricia Geary wrote in part: >8>< >As far as I know, in trying to validate your pages, a page with table >codes that are not closed will NOT validate. I have never seen >FrontPage not put ending/closing tags on each element. > > Whether TR and TD are required to be closed or not depends on the level of HTML the page declares with the DOCTYPE statement. HTML4, a very commonly selected level, does not require them; They are optional, as shown on this page by the closing tag being in light face font. http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/tables/tr.html (compare to: http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/special/span.html) That being said, I think that it is well known that /some/ browsers have trouble dealing with tables coded without those closing tags. Earlier levels of Netscape come to mind in this regard. -- Regards, Rod Dav4is / P.O. Box 118 / Hyde Park, NY 12538 / USA Genealogy, et Cetera: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dav4is/ 470 ancestral & collateral families, mostly 17°-19° century New England & European roots. Total population: 114,300+ Annex: http://www.gencircles.com/users/dav4is/ email: [email protected] If Barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her friends? -Steven Wright