In a message dated 23/08/2007 08:21:59 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Have you investigated using server-side includes (SSI) for navigation? That is much less work for you, and much friendlier to the user AND the host server. In a message dated 22/08/2007 21:28:29 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: No it does not. Rather than use frames you use one file that is then included in all the other pages. When you want to change the navigation, you change one file. OK, OK I stand well and truely corrected. NO, I haven't investigated SSI but will do so. I'm not going to get away with just one SSI file though. The 50 frames in this site are in reality 50 separate sites with 50 different navigation bars. Thanks to all who responded. Your helpful suggestions have been given a lot to digest. Regards to all, Sandy PS Happily most of my others sites (not hosted by Rootsweb) DO NOT as yet attract advertising banners. _www.sypittdfs.freeola.com_ (http://www.sypittdfs.freeola.com)