Bettye: But why couldn't "US" volunteers search for what we're looking for also? I think the point is, we all do this from the goodness of our hearts for and to help other people just like we've been helped. If there is something I find interesting - I transcribe it - I'll just search on the boards for it first! I would really hate to see we volunteers "throw in the towel" because of this change. Vonnie vonnieann@earthlink.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "With God All Things Are Possible" -----Original Message----- From: B. Warner <bkwofc@i1.net> To: Vonnie <vonnieann@earthlink.net>; RootsWeb-Help-L@rootsweb.com <RootsWeb-Help-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [RW-Help] Volunteerism contributions >Vonnie, > >Yes, maybe it does make things easier for the people who are searching for >their own surnames. However, don't forget that a large part of that >information you're finding is coming from we "volunteers" who are going to >the libraries and history centers in our our area, gathering the >information, paying out our money for the photocopies, and spending our free >time to put it online for you to find. We "volunteers" have posted >thousands of obits, bios, etc. on folks we're not even related to just >because we believe that being able to help people discover and preserve >one's family legacy is a good cause. I agree that the new system (once >they get the search engines working right) may make it easier for folks who >are just using the Boards to do their own research. However, it makes it >more difficult for the folks who are submitting the information to keep >straight what has and has not already been posted. If it's more difficult >on the volunteers to do their work, I'm afraid we're going to have a lot of >them throwing in the towel and, in turn, the whole process will suffer >because information which would have otherwise been posted will not be there >to find. > >Bettye > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Vonnie" <vonnieann@earthlink.net> >To: <RootsWeb-Help-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 9:34 PM >Subject: Fw: [RW-Help] Volunteerism contributions > > >> Ditto Norma! Give it some time, it will work out! Instead of going to >each >> individual board - a person can search for their surname and it get >> everything at once! Great Idea! >> >> Vonnie >> vonnieann@earthlink.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~mocharit/chariton.htm >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> "With God All Things Are Possible" >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Norma F. Jennings <njennings@lisco.net> >> To: RootsWeb-Help-L@rootsweb.com <RootsWeb-Help-L@rootsweb.com> >> Date: Friday, June 22, 2001 11:51 AM >> Subject: [RW-Help] Volunteerism contributions >> >> >> >I guess we have a whole different idea of volunteerism down here in >Louisa >> County. Data itself is >> >not copyrightable and when >> >I and my co-members type up databases, etc. for Rootsweb, it is with the >> idea that OTHER people can >> >now have access to the >> >same information as we do. Now, when I donate to the Red Cross, the >Heart >> Association, and other >> >charities, I don't expect >> >to retain complete ownership of my contribution. I have the satisfaction >> of knowing that a few >> >pennies will help someone >> >else even though after working in a hospital, I know that most of that >> contribution will go for >> >researchers and secretaries >> >salaries and will never be seen by the patient. There are certain >> administrative costs and >> >maintenance fees that are >> >necessary for the patient to finally obtain any benefit. I can't boss >any >> of these projects but hope >> >I have helped in some >> >way. I absolutely do not understand the proprietary attitude and >> possessiveness of people working as >> >so called volunteers. >> >I am grateful for all the free web space I have been allocated in order >to >> help others. >> > >> >No matter what it is, there are some people that will always fight >change. >> I tell my husband, when >> >he comes home and gripes >> >what the younger generation is doing downtown for improvements he thinks >> are unnecessary, to not >> >voice his negativism too >> >loudly as that is a sure sign of being dubbed "old" when you resist all >new >> ideas. Most opposition >> >is from ignorance and >> >often your worst fears are never realized. Think about it. Are you a >> "volunteer with strings" or a >> >"contributor to >> >mankind"? >> > >> >Control is not an issue with me as I know what my real copyright issues >are >> and I don't expect to >> >copyright every word I >> >write as much of it will eventually be deleted or forgotten anyway. >> > >> >Those of you padding this list with your complaints are part of the >> problem. Try a little patience >> >and the bugs in the new >> >system will be worked out. Anyone experienced with new database systems >> know from the beginning that >> >there will be necessary >> >enhancements once the system is up and running to identify the problem >> areas. Everyone impatiently >> >hitting the link >> >repeatedly so they can join the "rabble rousing" is causing the rest of >us >> to wait longer to access >> >the site to claim our >> >sites. And it is irritating the heck out of me when you keep asking the >> obvious questions that have >> >already been answered.. >> > >> >I have been more than amply paid for anything that I have contributed by >> the appreciation shown from >> >others and the tons of >> >info I have found in return. I have used Ancestry in the past to locate >> relatives that otherwise >> >defied my efforts. For >> >this, I feel my money was well spent to access their site for a few >months. >> And they still have the >> >best resource on the >> >market with their "Source" book published a few years back. These are >> good people but they do need >> >to charge for a few >> >things to stay on the air. >> >We all will eventually return to the dust anyway, we can't take it with >us. >> >I would rather see it available for future generations than develop >> paranoia for fear someone else >> >will use my work. >> > >> >Norma Jennings >> > >> >______________________________ >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >> Source for Family History Online. Go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >> > >

Vonnie, I'm not saying "US" volunteers shouldn't be able to search for the information! I think you're totally missing my point! The problem is that when I now search for something that I know has definitely posted, I'm not finding it. For example, I've posted a lot of obits on Jones & Blackwell (my own family line) to the St. Francois County GenConnect Obituaries Board over the past year. Now when I go to St. Francois County Board and click "search this board" and put in the surname "Blackwell" or the surname "Jones ", I get message "zero" found, yet when I manually scan down through the list (which I shouldn't have to do), I can find these names. Why are they not coming up on the search? I've tried the advance search too, but it won't let you limit search to one geographic area so you're getting them from everywhere. Jones is not a name that you want to put in a search window without being able to limit it to a particular area. Also when I try to search by my name as author, I'm not getting them either. I too am very happy to contribute the information, however, I want to be able to easily find it, and I want others to be able to easily find it after it's been submitted. I also want to be able to accurately search to see if it's already been submitted before I submit it. Bettye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vonnie" <vonnieann@earthlink.net> To: "B. Warner" <bkwofc@i1.net>; <RootsWeb-Help-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [RW-Help] Volunteerism contributions > Bettye: > > But why couldn't "US" volunteers search for what we're looking for also? I > think the point is, we all do this from the goodness of our hearts for and > to help other people just like we've been helped. If there is something I > find interesting - I transcribe it - I'll just search on the boards for it > first! I would really hate to see we volunteers "throw in the towel" > because of this change. > > Vonnie > vonnieann@earthlink.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "With God All Things Are Possible" > > > -----Original Message----- > From: B. Warner <bkwofc@i1.net> > To: Vonnie <vonnieann@earthlink.net>; RootsWeb-Help-L@rootsweb.com > <RootsWeb-Help-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:14 PM > Subject: Re: [RW-Help] Volunteerism contributions > > > >Vonnie, > > > >Yes, maybe it does make things easier for the people who are searching for > >their own surnames. However, don't forget that a large part of that > >information you're finding is coming from we "volunteers" who are going to > >the libraries and history centers in our our area, gathering the > >information, paying out our money for the photocopies, and spending our > free > >time to put it online for you to find. We "volunteers" have posted > >thousands of obits, bios, etc. on folks we're not even related to just > >because we believe that being able to help people discover and preserve > >one's family legacy is a good cause. I agree that the new system (once > >they get the search engines working right) may make it easier for folks who > >are just using the Boards to do their own research. However, it makes it > >more difficult for the folks who are submitting the information to keep > >straight what has and has not already been posted. If it's more difficult > >on the volunteers to do their work, I'm afraid we're going to have a lot of > >them throwing in the towel and, in turn, the whole process will suffer > >because information which would have otherwise been posted will not be > there > >to find. > > > >Bettye > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Vonnie" <vonnieann@earthlink.net> > >To: <RootsWeb-Help-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 9:34 PM > >Subject: Fw: [RW-Help] Volunteerism contributions > > > > > >> Ditto Norma! Give it some time, it will work out! Instead of going to > >each > >> individual board - a person can search for their surname and it get > >> everything at once! Great Idea! > >> > >> Vonnie > >> vonnieann@earthlink.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~mocharit/chariton.htm > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> "With God All Things Are Possible" > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Norma F. Jennings <njennings@lisco.net> > >> To: RootsWeb-Help-L@rootsweb.com <RootsWeb-Help-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Date: Friday, June 22, 2001 11:51 AM > >> Subject: [RW-Help] Volunteerism contributions > >> > >> > >> >I guess we have a whole different idea of volunteerism down here in > >Louisa > >> County. Data itself is > >> >not copyrightable and when > >> >I and my co-members type up databases, etc. for Rootsweb, it is with the > >> idea that OTHER people can > >> >now have access to the > >> >same information as we do. Now, when I donate to the Red Cross, the > >Heart > >> Association, and other > >> >charities, I don't expect > >> >to retain complete ownership of my contribution. I have the > satisfaction > >> of knowing that a few > >> >pennies will help someone > >> >else even though after working in a hospital, I know that most of that > >> contribution will go for > >> >researchers and secretaries > >> >salaries and will never be seen by the patient. There are certain > >> administrative costs and > >> >maintenance fees that are > >> >necessary for the patient to finally obtain any benefit. I can't boss > >any > >> of these projects but hope > >> >I have helped in some > >> >way. I absolutely do not understand the proprietary attitude and > >> possessiveness of people working as > >> >so called volunteers. > >> >I am grateful for all the free web space I have been allocated in order > >to > >> help others. > >> > > >> >No matter what it is, there are some people that will always fight > >change. > >> I tell my husband, when > >> >he comes home and gripes > >> >what the younger generation is doing downtown for improvements he thinks > >> are unnecessary, to not > >> >voice his negativism too > >> >loudly as that is a sure sign of being dubbed "old" when you resist all > >new > >> ideas. Most opposition > >> >is from ignorance and > >> >often your worst fears are never realized. Think about it. Are you a > >> "volunteer with strings" or a > >> >"contributor to > >> >mankind"? > >> > > >> >Control is not an issue with me as I know what my real copyright issues > >are > >> and I don't expect to > >> >copyright every word I > >> >write as much of it will eventually be deleted or forgotten anyway. > >> > > >> >Those of you padding this list with your complaints are part of the > >> problem. Try a little patience > >> >and the bugs in the new > >> >system will be worked out. Anyone experienced with new database systems > >> know from the beginning that > >> >there will be necessary > >> >enhancements once the system is up and running to identify the problem > >> areas. Everyone impatiently > >> >hitting the link > >> >repeatedly so they can join the "rabble rousing" is causing the rest of > >us > >> to wait longer to access > >> >the site to claim our > >> >sites. And it is irritating the heck out of me when you keep asking the > >> obvious questions that have > >> >already been answered.. > >> > > >> >I have been more than amply paid for anything that I have contributed by > >> the appreciation shown from > >> >others and the tons of > >> >info I have found in return. I have used Ancestry in the past to locate > >> relatives that otherwise > >> >defied my efforts. For > >> >this, I feel my money was well spent to access their site for a few > >months. > >> And they still have the > >> >best resource on the > >> >market with their "Source" book published a few years back. These are > >> good people but they do need > >> >to charge for a few > >> >things to stay on the air. > >> >We all will eventually return to the dust anyway, we can't take it with > >us. > >> >I would rather see it available for future generations than develop > >> paranoia for fear someone else > >> >will use my work. > >> > > >> >Norma Jennings > >> > > >> >______________________________ > >> > >> > >> > >> ============================== > >> Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > >> Source for Family History Online. Go to: > >> http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >> > > > > > >