I'll do that. Dora -----Original Message----- From: JFlorian Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 1:29 PM To: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site Hi Dora, The place to ask is through Rootsweb Help Desk. Nobody here can "answer for" Rootsweb. Lists aren't the place to have a question answered or lodge a complaint. Just write and ask the Help Desk. As other people explained, there can be many reasons a site is "down". One not mentioned is that Rootsweb updates or moves servers occasionally, and sometimes sections of data accidentally don't get 'copied'. If I'm not mistaken, I "lost" part of my website right after I started... Of course, I panicked. But a quick email to the Help Desk and they restored it from the back-up server... and all was well again. They do maintain our websites on 'redundant servers' (e.g. backups and backups), if I recall correctly. Other reasons that might not be noticed immediately but come to light later...like -- If someone uses their site as a personal repository of non-genealogy//non-family//non-history... Easiest example I can think of is if I was a photographer and I uploaded all my "whatnot" photos to Rootsweb servers... --- If i just used my site to park a Redirect -- to my dot.com site. --- If I used part or all of my site for "business", e.g. to sell services or products. There are just too many possible reasons. WE won't ever know someone else's personal interactions with Rootsweb, why a site got temporarily or permanently removed, etc etc. It is that person's right to privacy.... So this isn't my or your battle to fight. I doubt RW took action because a person died--- UNLESS the heir/executor REQUESTED that the site be removed. I don't want to pick on you or anyone , but this list goes out to hundreds of people. When I read anyone saying "Deal with it" or similar comments, I can't help but recall such things from my 14 yr old daughter... and I thank god she's in her 30s now... smile. By the way, Pat G. has been closely involved in Rootsweb longer than most of us... if she sounds like she knows what she's talking about, she generally does. Same goes for Joan Y... and the "other Pat (Pat A)". Judy On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@yahoo.com> wrote: > I'm not sure Pat knows the rules or cares; she sounds more concerned with > throwing her weight around. If she does have the rules right, then the > rules changed, and I need to know who to take this up with. > > Deal with it. > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the info, Pat. I will try this one more time. If someone has been dead for awhile, there is no reason why copyright infringement or any other new complaint should come up. I doubt that is what is going on in this case. Such matters are few and far between, in the first place. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Pat Asher Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 1:27 PM To: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site At 01:00 PM 5/26/2013, Dora Smith wrote: >If she does have the rules right, then the >rules changed, and I need to know who to take this up with. The Digital Millenium Copyright Act became law in 1998, and requires a service provider who provides network storage of material at the direction of a user, to act "expeditiously to remove, or disable access to, the material that is claimed to be infringing or to be the subject of infringing activity." when they are adequately notified of the claimed infringement. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/512 To ask a question of RootsWeb staff, go to http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com Click the Help button at the top right of the page. On the next page, click the "Ask a question" tab. Pat A. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just want to correct one thing you said If you are a professional genealogist you *can* state that you are for hire on your free pages. -----Original Message----- From: JFlorian <cageycat@gmail.com> To: rootsweb-help <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, May 26, 2013 11:30 am Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site Hi Dora, The place to ask is through Rootsweb Help Desk. Nobody here can "answer for" Rootsweb. Lists aren't the place to have a question answered or lodge a complaint. Just write and ask the Help Desk. As other people explained, there can be many reasons a site is "down". One not mentioned is that Rootsweb updates or moves servers occasionally, and sometimes sections of data accidentally don't get 'copied'. If I'm not mistaken, I "lost" part of my website right after I started... Of course, I panicked. But a quick email to the Help Desk and they restored it from the back-up server... and all was well again. They do maintain our websites on 'redundant servers' (e.g. backups and backups), if I recall correctly. Other reasons that might not be noticed immediately but come to light later...like -- If someone uses their site as a personal repository of non-genealogy//non-family//non-history... Easiest example I can think of is if I was a photographer and I uploaded all my "whatnot" photos to Rootsweb servers... --- If i just used my site to park a Redirect -- to my dot.com site. --- If I used part or all of my site for "business", e.g. to sell services or products. There are just too many possible reasons. WE won't ever know someone else's personal interactions with Rootsweb, why a site got temporarily or permanently removed, etc etc. It is that person's right to privacy.... So this isn't my or your battle to fight. I doubt RW took action because a person died--- UNLESS the heir/executor REQUESTED that the site be removed. I don't want to pick on you or anyone , but this list goes out to hundreds of people. When I read anyone saying "Deal with it" or similar comments, I can't help but recall such things from my 14 yr old daughter... and I thank god she's in her 30s now... smile. By the way, Pat G. has been closely involved in Rootsweb longer than most of us... if she sounds like she knows what she's talking about, she generally does. Same goes for Joan Y... and the "other Pat (Pat A)". Judy On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@yahoo.com> wrote: > I'm not sure Pat knows the rules or cares; she sounds more concerned with > throwing her weight around. If she does have the rules right, then the > rules changed, and I need to know who to take this up with. > > Deal with it. > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is getting far off track. The DMCA is not about what we're talking. Rather it's what happens to sites after you have died. Removal of infringing copyrighted material is extremely rare. -----Original Message----- From: Pat Asher <pjroots@att.net> To: rootsweb-help <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, May 26, 2013 11:28 am Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site At 01:00 PM 5/26/2013, Dora Smith wrote: >If she does have the rules right, then the >rules changed, and I need to know who to take this up with. The Digital Millenium Copyright Act became law in 1998, and requires a service provider who provides network storage of material at the direction of a user, to act "expeditiously to remove, or disable access to, the material that is claimed to be infringing or to be the subject of infringing activity." when they are adequately notified of the claimed infringement. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/512 To ask a question of RootsWeb staff, go to http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com Click the Help button at the top right of the page. On the next page, click the "Ask a question" tab. Pat A. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 02:29 PM 5/26/2013, you wrote: >By the way, Pat G. has been closely involved in Rootsweb longer than most >of us... if she sounds like she knows what she's talking about, she >generally does. Same goes for Joan Y... and the "other Pat (Pat A)". ============= Since I am the one who opened this can of worms, perhaps it is now time to close it. Google had flagged the site as possibly containing malicious code. The site owner was notified but had not changed the email address. No response from the owner since the notification was never received. The site was then made inaccessible to protect others until it could be checked out. That is now being done. A very good reason to remember to notify RootsWeb if YOU DO change your email addy so that if something like this happens to YOU, you can be notified and the problem corrected. Please can we now let this thread die a quiet death. And while the two Pat's are often confused, Pat A has been around far longer than Pat G (me). Let the list return to helping others with their sites. Pat Geary

Hi Dora, The place to ask is through Rootsweb Help Desk. Nobody here can "answer for" Rootsweb. Lists aren't the place to have a question answered or lodge a complaint. Just write and ask the Help Desk. As other people explained, there can be many reasons a site is "down". One not mentioned is that Rootsweb updates or moves servers occasionally, and sometimes sections of data accidentally don't get 'copied'. If I'm not mistaken, I "lost" part of my website right after I started... Of course, I panicked. But a quick email to the Help Desk and they restored it from the back-up server... and all was well again. They do maintain our websites on 'redundant servers' (e.g. backups and backups), if I recall correctly. Other reasons that might not be noticed immediately but come to light later...like -- If someone uses their site as a personal repository of non-genealogy//non-family//non-history... Easiest example I can think of is if I was a photographer and I uploaded all my "whatnot" photos to Rootsweb servers... --- If i just used my site to park a Redirect -- to my dot.com site. --- If I used part or all of my site for "business", e.g. to sell services or products. There are just too many possible reasons. WE won't ever know someone else's personal interactions with Rootsweb, why a site got temporarily or permanently removed, etc etc. It is that person's right to privacy.... So this isn't my or your battle to fight. I doubt RW took action because a person died--- UNLESS the heir/executor REQUESTED that the site be removed. I don't want to pick on you or anyone , but this list goes out to hundreds of people. When I read anyone saying "Deal with it" or similar comments, I can't help but recall such things from my 14 yr old daughter... and I thank god she's in her 30s now... smile. By the way, Pat G. has been closely involved in Rootsweb longer than most of us... if she sounds like she knows what she's talking about, she generally does. Same goes for Joan Y... and the "other Pat (Pat A)". Judy On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@yahoo.com> wrote: > I'm not sure Pat knows the rules or cares; she sounds more concerned with > throwing her weight around. If she does have the rules right, then the > rules changed, and I need to know who to take this up with. > > Deal with it. > >

At 01:00 PM 5/26/2013, Dora Smith wrote: >If she does have the rules right, then the >rules changed, and I need to know who to take this up with. The Digital Millenium Copyright Act became law in 1998, and requires a service provider who provides network storage of material at the direction of a user, to act "expeditiously to remove, or disable access to, the material that is claimed to be infringing or to be the subject of infringing activity." when they are adequately notified of the claimed infringement. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/512 To ask a question of RootsWeb staff, go to http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com Click the Help button at the top right of the page. On the next page, click the "Ask a question" tab. Pat A.

Estate planning doesn't only involve leaving your assets to family (assuming they don't care about your research). There is nothing to prevent you from leaving your research and online genealogical assets to someone unrelated to you who shares your interest. Usually the heirs are the ones who makes this sort of decision...to shift the online resources to another researcher not named in a will --- but you can do it beforehand if you plan for it. One case that comes to mind is the Dick Dutton Master File. Dick was diagnos ed with a terminal illness and specifically requested that this research remain online. Dick's surviving family members eventually turned his research over to another person who could carry on the master file on WorldConnect. Let's face it...RootsWeb isn't even going to KNOW a person died or is incapacitated unless someone informs them of the event. Usually this is an heir or family member. My point is that RootsWeb isn't going to go in and remove a file or database just because a person can't manage it any longer...as I stated before they are not paying for the space anyway. My point is merely if you feel strongly about what happens to your online content, proactively manage it while you can and arrange for what you want to happen after you can no longer manage the content. Joan In a message dated 5/26/2013 1:14:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tiggernut24@yahoo.com writes: I'm sure that's right as far as it goes, but some time ago there was a specific discussion of Rootsweb sites, and they're supposed to be just left alone after you die. No will and whatever needed. If you want something different to happen you'd have to authorize someone to deal with it by giving them the user name and password, etc. Think about it. How many of us have families that even care about our genealogical research? Who would you will it to? Really. Dora

I believe RootsWeb treats Freepages sites (and other sites at RootsWeb) the same way they treat WorldConnect GEDCOMs...by which I mean the content is a part of your estate and can be left to an heir in your will and inherited by your heirs like any other asset you own. Since you don't pay for the Web space it wouldn't be terminated for non-payment --- so it is literally up to you to manage your assets including online content. Today's New York Times has an article related to this topic. << http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/technology/estate-planning-is-important-for-your-online-assets-too.html?_r=0 >> Joan In a message dated 5/26/2013 12:21:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pjroots@att.net writes: AFAIK, RootsWeb does not close a site just because the owner has died. However, there are reasons for closing a site after the owner has died, even if the intent is to keep it online. A claim of copyright infringement comes to mind. RootsWeb does not monitor user submitted content, and they can not address possible infringement until a claim is made. Since they are barred from editing content, their only option would be to remove the site. Also, imagine a bored teenager finding the site password while the family was going through personal effects, and who thought it would be "fun" to upload inappropriate content. Strange things can and do happen. Pat A.

At 11:57 AM 5/26/2013, Wjhonson wrote: >Rather it's about the issue of whether or not >your free site will outlive your death. AFAIK, RootsWeb does not close a site just because the owner has died. However, there are reasons for closing a site after the owner has died, even if the intent is to keep it online. A claim of copyright infringement comes to mind. RootsWeb does not monitor user submitted content, and they can not address possible infringement until a claim is made. Since they are barred from editing content, their only option would be to remove the site. Also, imagine a bored teenager finding the site password while the family was going through personal effects, and who thought it would be "fun" to upload inappropriate content. Strange things can and do happen. Pat A.

I'm sure that's right as far as it goes, but some time ago there was a specific discussion of Rootsweb sites, and they're supposed to be just left alone after you die. No will and whatever needed. If you want something different to happen you'd have to authorize someone to deal with it by giving them the user name and password, etc. Think about it. How many of us have families that even care about our genealogical research? Who would you will it to? Really. Dora -----Original Message----- From: JYoung6180@aol.com Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 11:32 AM To: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site I believe RootsWeb treats Freepages sites (and other sites at RootsWeb) the same way they treat WorldConnect GEDCOMs...by which I mean the content is a part of your estate and can be left to an heir in your will and inherited by your heirs like any other asset you own. Since you don't pay for the Web space it wouldn't be terminated for non-payment --- so it is literally up to you to manage your assets including online content. Today's New York Times has an article related to this topic. << http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/technology/estate-planning-is-important-for-your-online-assets-too.html?_r=0 >> Joan In a message dated 5/26/2013 12:21:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pjroots@att.net writes: AFAIK, RootsWeb does not close a site just because the owner has died. However, there are reasons for closing a site after the owner has died, even if the intent is to keep it online. A claim of copyright infringement comes to mind. RootsWeb does not monitor user submitted content, and they can not address possible infringement until a claim is made. Since they are barred from editing content, their only option would be to remove the site. Also, imagine a bored teenager finding the site password while the family was going through personal effects, and who thought it would be "fun" to upload inappropriate content. Strange things can and do happen. Pat A. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Seems like most complaints should have come up while the owner was still alive. It's not like a dead person could have recently put new content on the site. (I've made that point four times now.) I'd sure put a high bar on proving it - which should be done anyway. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Pat Asher Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 11:19 AM To: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site At 11:57 AM 5/26/2013, Wjhonson wrote: >Rather it's about the issue of whether or not >your free site will outlive your death. AFAIK, RootsWeb does not close a site just because the owner has died. However, there are reasons for closing a site after the owner has died, even if the intent is to keep it online. A claim of copyright infringement comes to mind. RootsWeb does not monitor user submitted content, and they can not address possible infringement until a claim is made. Since they are barred from editing content, their only option would be to remove the site. Also, imagine a bored teenager finding the site password while the family was going through personal effects, and who thought it would be "fun" to upload inappropriate content. Strange things can and do happen. Pat A. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm not sure Pat knows the rules or cares; she sounds more concerned with throwing her weight around. If she does have the rules right, then the rules changed, and I need to know who to take this up with. Deal with it. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Patti Hays Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 8:24 AM To: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site I am really becoming offended by Dora. Rootsweb has rules. You are told that when you get a free website from them. If the rules are not adhered to, they will suspend your site. We all agree to that when we set our site up. Let's get over this and get onto something else. Patti Vance Hays ~ you live as long as you are remembered ~ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pattisgenealogypages/ -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 7:57 PM To: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site I expect my web site to outlive me, not be susceptible to some new piece of bureaucratese crap. Who is the actual human being who is currently responsible for Rootsweb, that I can contact about this. No, you've set yourself up as some kind of official person with the power to propound, so don't at this point be telling me you've no idea who's in charge of Freepages. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Pat Asher Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 6:42 PM To: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com Cc: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site At 04:55 PM 5/25/2013, Dora Smith wrote: >WHAT?!!!!! > >I understood that if the owner DIED, their page stays there forever. Not >if the page dies when its owner's e-mail account does! > >I don't think so! Cut the crap, and leave the web sites alone. If you >can't contact the owner, too bad. Unless something specific is wrong with >the site. And if the owner's dead noone could have a new reason to >complain >about him! Dora, There are many different types of web accounts hosted by RootsWeb. Some belong to the organization for which they were created, e.g. USGenWeb accounts belong to the USGenWeb. Individually created accounts belong to the user who created them. All accounts hosted by RootsWeb are subject to the laws of the United States, as well as respective RootsWeb account agreements and Terms of Service, regardless of whether the creator/owner of the account is an individual or an organization; and if individually owned, regardless of whether that owner is living or dead. Any account found in violation of the governing contracts may be closed by RootsWeb for cause. Individual account owners are responsible for keeping their account registration up-to-date so that RootsWeb can contact them in case there is a question about their account or its content. Pat Asher ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's not about what she is bitching however. Rather it's about the issue of whether or not your free site will outlive your death. -----Original Message----- From: Patti Hays <pvhwdh@cablelynx.com> To: rootsweb-help <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, May 26, 2013 6:26 am Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site I am really becoming offended by Dora. Rootsweb has rules. You are told that when you get a free website from them. If the rules are not adhered to, they will suspend your site. We all agree to that when we set our site up. Let's get over this and get onto something else. Patti Vance Hays ~ you live as long as you are remembered ~ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pattisgenealogypages/ -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 7:57 PM To: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site I expect my web site to outlive me, not be susceptible to some new piece of bureaucratese crap. Who is the actual human being who is currently responsible for Rootsweb, that I can contact about this. No, you've set yourself up as some kind of official person with the power to propound, so don't at this point be telling me you've no idea who's in charge of Freepages. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Pat Asher Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 6:42 PM To: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com Cc: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site At 04:55 PM 5/25/2013, Dora Smith wrote: >WHAT?!!!!! > >I understood that if the owner DIED, their page stays there forever. Not >if the page dies when its owner's e-mail account does! > >I don't think so! Cut the crap, and leave the web sites alone. If you >can't contact the owner, too bad. Unless something specific is wrong with >the site. And if the owner's dead noone could have a new reason to >complain >about him! Dora, There are many different types of web accounts hosted by RootsWeb. Some belong to the organization for which they were created, e.g. USGenWeb accounts belong to the USGenWeb. Individually created accounts belong to the user who created them. All accounts hosted by RootsWeb are subject to the laws of the United States, as well as respective RootsWeb account agreements and Terms of Service, regardless of whether the creator/owner of the account is an individual or an organization; and if individually owned, regardless of whether that owner is living or dead. Any account found in violation of the governing contracts may be closed by RootsWeb for cause. Individual account owners are responsible for keeping their account registration up-to-date so that RootsWeb can contact them in case there is a question about their account or its content. Pat Asher ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -- Stephen Hawking <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1401.Stephen_Hawking>

Thanks Jeff, great quote- Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2013, at 9:54 AM, Jeff Owens <owensj@epix.net> wrote: > "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of > knowledge." > -- Stephen Hawking > <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1401.Stephen_Hawking> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am really becoming offended by Dora. Rootsweb has rules. You are told that when you get a free website from them. If the rules are not adhered to, they will suspend your site. We all agree to that when we set our site up. Let's get over this and get onto something else. Patti Vance Hays ~ you live as long as you are remembered ~ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pattisgenealogypages/ -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 7:57 PM To: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site I expect my web site to outlive me, not be susceptible to some new piece of bureaucratese crap. Who is the actual human being who is currently responsible for Rootsweb, that I can contact about this. No, you've set yourself up as some kind of official person with the power to propound, so don't at this point be telling me you've no idea who's in charge of Freepages. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Pat Asher Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 6:42 PM To: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com Cc: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site At 04:55 PM 5/25/2013, Dora Smith wrote: >WHAT?!!!!! > >I understood that if the owner DIED, their page stays there forever. Not >if the page dies when its owner's e-mail account does! > >I don't think so! Cut the crap, and leave the web sites alone. If you >can't contact the owner, too bad. Unless something specific is wrong with >the site. And if the owner's dead noone could have a new reason to >complain >about him! Dora, There are many different types of web accounts hosted by RootsWeb. Some belong to the organization for which they were created, e.g. USGenWeb accounts belong to the USGenWeb. Individually created accounts belong to the user who created them. All accounts hosted by RootsWeb are subject to the laws of the United States, as well as respective RootsWeb account agreements and Terms of Service, regardless of whether the creator/owner of the account is an individual or an organization; and if individually owned, regardless of whether that owner is living or dead. Any account found in violation of the governing contracts may be closed by RootsWeb for cause. Individual account owners are responsible for keeping their account registration up-to-date so that RootsWeb can contact them in case there is a question about their account or its content. Pat Asher ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I expect my web site to outlive me, not be susceptible to some new piece of bureaucratese crap. Who is the actual human being who is currently responsible for Rootsweb, that I can contact about this. No, you've set yourself up as some kind of official person with the power to propound, so don't at this point be telling me you've no idea who's in charge of Freepages. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Pat Asher Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 6:42 PM To: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com Cc: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site At 04:55 PM 5/25/2013, Dora Smith wrote: >WHAT?!!!!! > >I understood that if the owner DIED, their page stays there forever. Not >if the page dies when its owner's e-mail account does! > >I don't think so! Cut the crap, and leave the web sites alone. If you >can't contact the owner, too bad. Unless something specific is wrong with >the site. And if the owner's dead noone could have a new reason to >complain >about him! Dora, There are many different types of web accounts hosted by RootsWeb. Some belong to the organization for which they were created, e.g. USGenWeb accounts belong to the USGenWeb. Individually created accounts belong to the user who created them. All accounts hosted by RootsWeb are subject to the laws of the United States, as well as respective RootsWeb account agreements and Terms of Service, regardless of whether the creator/owner of the account is an individual or an organization; and if individually owned, regardless of whether that owner is living or dead. Any account found in violation of the governing contracts may be closed by RootsWeb for cause. Individual account owners are responsible for keeping their account registration up-to-date so that RootsWeb can contact them in case there is a question about their account or its content. Pat Asher ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat, if they're dead, they're not breaking any new laws, so no new need to worry about it. If they're dead, they can't keep their registration up to date. The policy has always been, the sites stay. Obviously their e-mail accounts are not eternal. So leave them alone. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Pat Asher Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 6:42 PM To: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com Cc: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site At 04:55 PM 5/25/2013, Dora Smith wrote: >WHAT?!!!!! > >I understood that if the owner DIED, their page stays there forever. Not >if the page dies when its owner's e-mail account does! > >I don't think so! Cut the crap, and leave the web sites alone. If you >can't contact the owner, too bad. Unless something specific is wrong with >the site. And if the owner's dead noone could have a new reason to >complain >about him! Dora, There are many different types of web accounts hosted by RootsWeb. Some belong to the organization for which they were created, e.g. USGenWeb accounts belong to the USGenWeb. Individually created accounts belong to the user who created them. All accounts hosted by RootsWeb are subject to the laws of the United States, as well as respective RootsWeb account agreements and Terms of Service, regardless of whether the creator/owner of the account is an individual or an organization; and if individually owned, regardless of whether that owner is living or dead. Any account found in violation of the governing contracts may be closed by RootsWeb for cause. Individual account owners are responsible for keeping their account registration up-to-date so that RootsWeb can contact them in case there is a question about their account or its content. Pat Asher ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 04:55 PM 5/25/2013, Dora Smith wrote: >WHAT?!!!!! > >I understood that if the owner DIED, their page stays there forever. Not >if the page dies when its owner's e-mail account does! > >I don't think so! Cut the crap, and leave the web sites alone. If you >can't contact the owner, too bad. Unless something specific is wrong with >the site. And if the owner's dead noone could have a new reason to complain >about him! Dora, There are many different types of web accounts hosted by RootsWeb. Some belong to the organization for which they were created, e.g. USGenWeb accounts belong to the USGenWeb. Individually created accounts belong to the user who created them. All accounts hosted by RootsWeb are subject to the laws of the United States, as well as respective RootsWeb account agreements and Terms of Service, regardless of whether the creator/owner of the account is an individual or an organization; and if individually owned, regardless of whether that owner is living or dead. Any account found in violation of the governing contracts may be closed by RootsWeb for cause. Individual account owners are responsible for keeping their account registration up-to-date so that RootsWeb can contact them in case there is a question about their account or its content. Pat Asher