Are you aware there is COPYRIGHT list -- where you are more likely to receive educated opinions. Send a NEW email to COPYRIGHT@ROOOTSWEB.COM with the single word SUBSCRIBE in the message subject and body. Pat A. At 03:20 PM 10/24/2013, you wrote: >A kind volunteer contacted me and asked if I'd like some >back issues of (specific publication apparently defunct) for >use on the county GenWeb page. I said sure and provided my >snail-mail address. They arrived. I notified the donor >that they had come but that I hadn't yet had time to look >them over. > >When I DID get time, I couldn't find an address for them. I >found a couple people who sort of vaguely recalled that the >editor (not named in what I have) had died some year ago. >OK, now we're in the life-plus-70 territory. I went looking >for the copyright heir. PERSI has issues through 2004. > >I dropped it in the PENDING box, from whence it resurfaced a >month or so back. This time I actually read it. (now, now, >now, let's not be like that with one another). The issues >donated contain verbatim copies of material (such as deeds >and land-grants) in a copyrighted book (which under the new >law remains copyrighted, so far as I can tell). I was ready >to shred the things when I noticed the book which was >plagarized by the pub is now on-line. Free. > >Uhhh ... so, ummm, is it still a copyright violation for me >if I scan the pages of the pub and put them up? > >Cheryl > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes. IF the author / publisher has granted a free license, granted the material to the public domain that is different. But just because they or anyone else has put the book up online does not mean that you or anyone else now has the right free of copyright infringement to do the same thing. You *CAN* however transcribe the public material out of the book (such as a deed) and post your own transcription of that, which, deeds, cannot be copyright. But you cannot put up a scan of the page image without violating the copyright of the published book. -----Original Message----- From: singhals <singhals@erols.com> To: rootsweb-help <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 24, 2013 12:21 pm Subject: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] The philosophy of it all ... ;) A kind volunteer contacted me and asked if I'd like some back issues of (specific publication apparently defunct) for use on the county GenWeb page. I said sure and provided my snail-mail address. They arrived. I notified the donor that they had come but that I hadn't yet had time to look them over. When I DID get time, I couldn't find an address for them. I found a couple people who sort of vaguely recalled that the editor (not named in what I have) had died some year ago. OK, now we're in the life-plus-70 territory. I went looking for the copyright heir. PERSI has issues through 2004. I dropped it in the PENDING box, from whence it resurfaced a month or so back. This time I actually read it. (now, now, now, let's not be like that with one another). The issues donated contain verbatim copies of material (such as deeds and land-grants) in a copyrighted book (which under the new law remains copyrighted, so far as I can tell). I was ready to shred the things when I noticed the book which was plagarized by the pub is now on-line. Free. Uhhh ... so, ummm, is it still a copyright violation for me if I scan the pages of the pub and put them up? Cheryl ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A kind volunteer contacted me and asked if I'd like some back issues of (specific publication apparently defunct) for use on the county GenWeb page. I said sure and provided my snail-mail address. They arrived. I notified the donor that they had come but that I hadn't yet had time to look them over. When I DID get time, I couldn't find an address for them. I found a couple people who sort of vaguely recalled that the editor (not named in what I have) had died some year ago. OK, now we're in the life-plus-70 territory. I went looking for the copyright heir. PERSI has issues through 2004. I dropped it in the PENDING box, from whence it resurfaced a month or so back. This time I actually read it. (now, now, now, let's not be like that with one another). The issues donated contain verbatim copies of material (such as deeds and land-grants) in a copyrighted book (which under the new law remains copyrighted, so far as I can tell). I was ready to shred the things when I noticed the book which was plagarized by the pub is now on-line. Free. Uhhh ... so, ummm, is it still a copyright violation for me if I scan the pages of the pub and put them up? Cheryl

At 10:57 AM 7/2/2013, Rebecca Homan wrote: >I cannot find my login information. >Can you send it to me? If you are looking for the password to login to your web sites at RootsWeb, you can request those (and some others) from PasswordCentral, http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ Pat A.

At 10:57 AM 7/2/2013, you wrote: >I cannot find my login information. >Can you send it to me? >Thanks You will need to contact the HELP DESK http://secure.rootsweb.com/rweb/forgotpw.aspx?ti=3&ti.si=3 This presumes that you are using the same email address you signed up for your account with. pat

I cannot find my login information. Can you send it to me? Thanks

Three cheers for you Joyce. Linda Haas Davenport ---- Joyce Gaston Reece <bjreece@bellsouth.net> wrote: > I agree with Jeff. I've looked over some of the massive number of emails > hitting this list over the last few days and have to make a > comment....welcome or not. > > Mr. Johnson, you are not the only professional genealogist on this list. > There are several of us here including some you might not suspect....but > that is irrelevant. Patting your own back and puffing out your chest > doesn't earn you a blessed thing. What really means something is those of > us who give back in the form of volunteerism. Both Joan and Pat have spent > a LOT of time giving back...offering advice....help...and many other forms > of aid. And not just on this list but several others. I don't recall > seeing you do that and I'm on too many list to even try to count and have > been since 1995. Pat has spent a lot of time educating herself on the > ins-and-outs of copyright issues and has earned the trust people have placed > in her. Joan has earned her place in the same way....she worked for it. > Whether or not they are perfect in this advice might really be unimportant > since none of us are perfect nor do any of us know everything. But they do > their best which is all we can ask of anyone. Like others I've disagreed > with some things and haven't always seen eye to eye with them but at least > they try. BTW, there's never any excuse for being rude on these > lists....or anywhere else in life for that matter. Grandma used to tell us > that you catch a whole lot more fly's with honey than you do with vinegar. > All you've managed to do is damage your own reputation and cushion theirs. > > I'll be the first one to say that even as a professional I do not know > everything and often have to ask for help and have done so many times. Both > Joan and Pat have come to my aid more than once. > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Linda Haas Davenport

I agree with Jeff. I've looked over some of the massive number of emails hitting this list over the last few days and have to make a comment....welcome or not. Mr. Johnson, you are not the only professional genealogist on this list. There are several of us here including some you might not suspect....but that is irrelevant. Patting your own back and puffing out your chest doesn't earn you a blessed thing. What really means something is those of us who give back in the form of volunteerism. Both Joan and Pat have spent a LOT of time giving back...offering advice....help...and many other forms of aid. And not just on this list but several others. I don't recall seeing you do that and I'm on too many list to even try to count and have been since 1995. Pat has spent a lot of time educating herself on the ins-and-outs of copyright issues and has earned the trust people have placed in her. Joan has earned her place in the same way....she worked for it. Whether or not they are perfect in this advice might really be unimportant since none of us are perfect nor do any of us know everything. But they do their best which is all we can ask of anyone. Like others I've disagreed with some things and haven't always seen eye to eye with them but at least they try. BTW, there's never any excuse for being rude on these lists....or anywhere else in life for that matter. Grandma used to tell us that you catch a whole lot more fly's with honey than you do with vinegar. All you've managed to do is damage your own reputation and cushion theirs. I'll be the first one to say that even as a professional I do not know everything and often have to ask for help and have done so many times. Both Joan and Pat have come to my aid more than once. Joyce Gaston Reece

This subject is now closed. In this country, a minority of one has the right to express an opinion, as do the majority have the right to express theirs. But on a RootsWeb mailing list, neither side has the right to be rude, resort to name-calling, or to denigrate a contrary opinion. The current discussion has nothing to do with the original question. Copyright questions should be addressed to Copyright-L@rootsweb.com Policy questions should be addressed to RW Staff at http://rootsweb.custhelp.com/ List Admin

*You continue to rant on and on about something which you have paid nothing for and invested nothing in with your own money. Rootsweb is a free service and they may make any rule they wish within the law, and can change it at any time also. This includes the presentation, or lack thereof, of any material they wish. There is no life time guarantee of any web site. Companies come and go. If you wish lifetime assurance on anything buy your own server and shut up.** No one cares about your credentials. Your manner is what's offensive. ** **Jeff Owens* Wjhonson wrote: > I have no AUTHORITY. > Authority is for authoritarians. > My SOURCES however are the DCMA > and common sense, and my twenty five years > as a professional genealogist and a writer. > > I have written over two thousand articles > mostly genealogy and biography and not one single > time has anyone ever made a copyright > claim against me that held any water :) > > Sometimes people have claimed at times that I'm invading > their privacy but everything I write is sourced > from the public domain (mostly). > > > In addition I have been a significant member of the > Wikipedia community, helping to write several > policy articles around sourcing issues. > > None of any of this is relevant however, since I > abhor people using *authority* to pound their > ]points in. It's ridiculous, its a faith-based > approach. People should learn these things > for themselves and NOT use authority figures > to tell them what is what. Hopefully > genealogists don't need to be told this cogent > point. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DULCICH6 <DULCICH6@aol.com> > To: rootsweb-help <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Mon, May 27, 2013 7:45 pm > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site > > > Your statement was not about discussion of copyright, but about correcting > others mistakes. to wit: "I'm just correcting the misrepresenatations > presented here by others as "facts"." I simply want to know by what > authority you make these 'corrections.' I'm not asking anything of you that you > > haven't asked of others. (See below quote.) Your many statements in this > exchange are also unsubstantiated since you do not cite your sources. You must > hold yourself to the same standards that you expect of others. I know Joan > & have dealt with her for many years. I know from personal experience that > I can depend on her accuracy in most things RW. But I don't know you and I > need to have some reason to believe you, some reason to take your word over > hers. So far, you haven't provided any evidence to back up your > statements of correction. You've offered nothing to give credence to your > words. I > STILL want to know what it is that Joan will have lost if she fails to > provide substantiation of her claims? Although in my opinion, she did cite her > source. > > Sharon > > ======================== > From: Wjhonson < wjhonson@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site > Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 13:14:50 -0400 (EDT) > > "False authority and I dispute that you have any authority to claim to > know the law or policy. > > And I dispute your mis characterization of what the DCMA actually states > you must do in a case where a claim is made. > > And I dispute that you KNOW what rootsweb policy even is. All these > unsubstantiated claims you make are all utterly and completely > false. Now back it up or admit you've lost." > > ============================ > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2013 5:12:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > wjhonson@aol.com writes: > > You do not need credentials to discuss > copyright in a public forum > > Especially so, when those who *started* > that side discussion (not I) are wrong in > their uncited claims :) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have no AUTHORITY. Authority is for authoritarians. My SOURCES however are the DCMA and common sense, and my twenty five years as a professional genealogist and a writer. I have written over two thousand articles mostly genealogy and biography and not one single time has anyone ever made a copyright claim against me that held any water :) Sometimes people have claimed at times that I'm invading their privacy but everything I write is sourced from the public domain (mostly). In addition I have been a significant member of the Wikipedia community, helping to write several policy articles around sourcing issues. None of any of this is relevant however, since I abhor people using *authority* to pound their ]points in. It's ridiculous, its a faith-based approach. People should learn these things for themselves and NOT use authority figures to tell them what is what. Hopefully genealogists don't need to be told this cogent point. -----Original Message----- From: DULCICH6 <DULCICH6@aol.com> To: rootsweb-help <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, May 27, 2013 7:45 pm Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site Your statement was not about discussion of copyright, but about correcting others mistakes. to wit: "I'm just correcting the misrepresenatations presented here by others as "facts"." I simply want to know by what authority you make these 'corrections.' I'm not asking anything of you that you haven't asked of others. (See below quote.) Your many statements in this exchange are also unsubstantiated since you do not cite your sources. You must hold yourself to the same standards that you expect of others. I know Joan & have dealt with her for many years. I know from personal experience that I can depend on her accuracy in most things RW. But I don't know you and I need to have some reason to believe you, some reason to take your word over hers. So far, you haven't provided any evidence to back up your statements of correction. You've offered nothing to give credence to your words. I STILL want to know what it is that Joan will have lost if she fails to provide substantiation of her claims? Although in my opinion, she did cite her source. Sharon ======================== From: Wjhonson < wjhonson@aol.com> Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 13:14:50 -0400 (EDT) "False authority and I dispute that you have any authority to claim to know the law or policy. And I dispute your mis characterization of what the DCMA actually states you must do in a case where a claim is made. And I dispute that you KNOW what rootsweb policy even is. All these unsubstantiated claims you make are all utterly and completely false. Now back it up or admit you've lost." ============================ In a message dated 5/27/2013 5:12:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, wjhonson@aol.com writes: You do not need credentials to discuss copyright in a public forum Especially so, when those who *started* that side discussion (not I) are wrong in their uncited claims :) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You're right I didn't read the link at all, just ASSumed :0 At any rate, rootsweb policy shouldn't be suddenly elevated to US Law just because people are ignorant about what the DCMA actually states. -----Original Message----- From: JFlorian <cageycat@gmail.com> To: rootsweb-help <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, May 27, 2013 6:50 pm Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site Just to remind YOU of YOUR words, you said h... a list OWNER is now "Staff"? > Sorry Pat that's not quite what anyone > else in the world would consider "Staff" -------------------------------------------------------------- My words were in direct response to your comment "a list OWNER is now 'Staff'?" Why do you twist words? Is it "fun"??? I always disliked Clockwork Orange. In 10th grade English Class, we had to read it, see the movie, critique it for "the absurd and the sanity". I can't repeat here what the characters of "CO" would say about this topic running on and on and on and on..... Anyone in the US visit cemeteries today? I miss "decorating the graves" (I live too far away to do it). Judy On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> wrote: > So a list posted to a list is now... official in some way? > > What is this Clockwork Orange? > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Jeff, very well said. Isn't there anyone who can stop this Patti Vance Hays ~ you live as long as you are remembered ~ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pattisgenealogypages/ -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Owens Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:03 AM To: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site *You continue to rant on and on about something which you have paid nothing for and invested nothing in with your own money. Rootsweb is a free service and they may make any rule they wish within the law, and can change it at any time also. This includes the presentation, or lack thereof, of any material they wish. There is no life time guarantee of any web site. Companies come and go. If you wish lifetime assurance on anything buy your own server and shut up.** No one cares about your credentials. Your manner is what's offensive. ** **Jeff Owens* Wjhonson wrote: > I have no AUTHORITY. > Authority is for authoritarians. > My SOURCES however are the DCMA > and common sense, and my twenty five years > as a professional genealogist and a writer. > > I have written over two thousand articles > mostly genealogy and biography and not one single > time has anyone ever made a copyright > claim against me that held any water :) > > Sometimes people have claimed at times that I'm invading > their privacy but everything I write is sourced > from the public domain (mostly). > > > In addition I have been a significant member of the > Wikipedia community, helping to write several > policy articles around sourcing issues. > > None of any of this is relevant however, since I > abhor people using *authority* to pound their > ]points in. It's ridiculous, its a faith-based > approach. People should learn these things > for themselves and NOT use authority figures > to tell them what is what. Hopefully > genealogists don't need to be told this cogent > point. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DULCICH6 <DULCICH6@aol.com> > To: rootsweb-help <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Mon, May 27, 2013 7:45 pm > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site > > > Your statement was not about discussion of copyright, but about > correcting > others mistakes. to wit: "I'm just correcting the misrepresenatations > presented here by others as "facts"." I simply want to know by what > authority you make these 'corrections.' I'm not asking anything of you > that you > > haven't asked of others. (See below quote.) Your many statements in this > exchange are also unsubstantiated since you do not cite your sources. You > must > hold yourself to the same standards that you expect of others. I know > Joan > & have dealt with her for many years. I know from personal experience > that > I can depend on her accuracy in most things RW. But I don't know you and > I > need to have some reason to believe you, some reason to take your word > over > hers. So far, you haven't provided any evidence to back up your > statements of correction. You've offered nothing to give credence to your > words. I > STILL want to know what it is that Joan will have lost if she fails to > provide substantiation of her claims? Although in my opinion, she did > cite her > source. > > Sharon > > ======================== > From: Wjhonson < wjhonson@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site > Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 13:14:50 -0400 (EDT) > > "False authority and I dispute that you have any authority to claim to > know the law or policy. > > And I dispute your mis characterization of what the DCMA actually states > you must do in a case where a claim is made. > > And I dispute that you KNOW what rootsweb policy even is. All these > unsubstantiated claims you make are all utterly and completely > false. Now back it up or admit you've lost." > > ============================ > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2013 5:12:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > wjhonson@aol.com writes: > > You do not need credentials to discuss > copyright in a public forum > > Especially so, when those who *started* > that side discussion (not I) are wrong in > their uncited claims :) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Before Joan Young was a paid employee of Rootsweb, she was a very helpful volunteer. She helped me on numerous occasions. She then became a paid employee of Rootsweb when Dr Brian Leverich was the owner. After Ancestry bought Rootsweb, Ancestry eventually got rid of most of the Rootsweb employees. Joan then became a very helpful volunteer, once again. I really wish this thread would go away. I would hate to have to unsubscribe, just to get rid of all the e-mail piling up. David ---- Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> wrote: > You do not need credentials to discuss > copyright in a public forum > > Especially so, when those who *started* > that side discussion (not I) are wrong in > their uncited claims :) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DULCICH6 <DULCICH6@aol.com> > To: rootsweb-help <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Mon, May 27, 2013 2:50 pm > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site > > > I knew you would correct me if I was wrong! However, you did not answer my > question, namely "What is it that Joan will have lost?" > > Also, please establish your credentials for making these corrections. > > Thanks! > Sharon > > > In a message dated 5/27/2013 12:04:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > wjhonson@aol.com writes: > > You're mistaken Sharon. > I'm not the one who asked about this point. > > I'm just correcting the misrepresenatations > presented here by others as "facts". > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DULCICH6 <DULCICH6@aol.com> > To: rootsweb-help <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Mon, May 27, 2013 11:19 am > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site > > > OK, I'm just a bystander here, but what is it that Joan will have lost? > > > I'm sure that you will correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that you > asked for help in finding out why a website might have been taken down. > Several > list members have offered info trying to help. You don't seem to like the > info you've been given & so you have been referred to Rootsweb's > Helpdesk > as the only place where you may receive a definitive answer. What is it > that is in danger of being lost? > > Sharon > > > In a message dated 5/27/2013 10:48:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > wjhonson@aol.com writes: > > or admit you've lost. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- dmorgan003@hawaii.rr.com David W Morgan Ewa Beach Hawaii http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dmorgan/ http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/33842277/family/

Your statement was not about discussion of copyright, but about correcting others mistakes. to wit: "I'm just correcting the misrepresenatations presented here by others as "facts"." I simply want to know by what authority you make these 'corrections.' I'm not asking anything of you that you haven't asked of others. (See below quote.) Your many statements in this exchange are also unsubstantiated since you do not cite your sources. You must hold yourself to the same standards that you expect of others. I know Joan & have dealt with her for many years. I know from personal experience that I can depend on her accuracy in most things RW. But I don't know you and I need to have some reason to believe you, some reason to take your word over hers. So far, you haven't provided any evidence to back up your statements of correction. You've offered nothing to give credence to your words. I STILL want to know what it is that Joan will have lost if she fails to provide substantiation of her claims? Although in my opinion, she did cite her source. Sharon ======================== From: Wjhonson < wjhonson@aol.com> Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 13:14:50 -0400 (EDT) "False authority and I dispute that you have any authority to claim to know the law or policy. And I dispute your mis characterization of what the DCMA actually states you must do in a case where a claim is made. And I dispute that you KNOW what rootsweb policy even is. All these unsubstantiated claims you make are all utterly and completely false. Now back it up or admit you've lost." ============================ In a message dated 5/27/2013 5:12:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, wjhonson@aol.com writes: You do not need credentials to discuss copyright in a public forum Especially so, when those who *started* that side discussion (not I) are wrong in their uncited claims :)

Just to remind YOU of YOUR words, you said h... a list OWNER is now "Staff"? > Sorry Pat that's not quite what anyone > else in the world would consider "Staff" -------------------------------------------------------------- My words were in direct response to your comment "a list OWNER is now 'Staff'?" Why do you twist words? Is it "fun"??? I always disliked Clockwork Orange. In 10th grade English Class, we had to read it, see the movie, critique it for "the absurd and the sanity". I can't repeat here what the characters of "CO" would say about this topic running on and on and on and on..... Anyone in the US visit cemeteries today? I miss "decorating the graves" (I live too far away to do it). Judy On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> wrote: > So a list posted to a list is now... official in some way? > > What is this Clockwork Orange? > >

I have had no fits of rage David. As to "boards and lists" that Joan supposedly knows all about, it's not relevant to this discussion of .... copyright.

"Wjhonson." In other words, you are saying "don't bother me with the facts, my mind is made up!" Just a suggestion, which I fully expect you to ignore after reading your rants and meaningless fits of rage over the last few days, but you would do well to read and heed ANY advice you can get from Joan Young. I've known her about 15 years or more, and I will be the first to say that she and I disagree on more than a few subjects, but I know of NOBODY who knows more or shares more when it comes to RootsWeb lists and boards and their operation. You really should listen to what she has said because she is right and makes a lot of sense if you will just stop your ranting and raving long enough to listen for a change. Now then, I know I said earlier I am done with this childish bickering and mess you are perpetuating, but I felt I had to say this. Now then, you can do as you wish with the suggestion, because I really don't care what you do or whether you agree or not. David E. Cann decann@infionline.net -----Original Message----- From: rootsweb-help-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rootsweb-help-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 8:17 PM To: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site Than stop replying. -----Original Message----- From: JYoung6180 <JYoung6180@aol.com> To: rootsweb-help <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, May 27, 2013 5:15 pm Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site You don't need credentials to DISCUSS copyright but you better have some validity for anyone to give any credence to what you say. Can we end this discussion here? I'm at the point where I don't care one bit whether you think I'm a real person or have any credentials at all...I'm WAY beyond caring what you think. Joan <snip>

Than stop replying. -----Original Message----- From: JYoung6180 <JYoung6180@aol.com> To: rootsweb-help <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, May 27, 2013 5:15 pm Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Cannot Access Site You don't need credentials to DISCUSS copyright but you better have some validity for anyone to give any credence to what you say. Can we end this discussion here? I'm at the point where I don't care one bit whether you think I'm a real person or have any credentials at all...I'm WAY beyond caring what you think. Joan In a message dated 5/27/2013 8:12:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wjhonson@aol.com writes: You do not need credentials to discuss copyright in a public forum Especially so, when those who *started* that side discussion (not I) are wrong in their uncited claims :) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You don't need credentials to DISCUSS copyright but you better have some validity for anyone to give any credence to what you say. Can we end this discussion here? I'm at the point where I don't care one bit whether you think I'm a real person or have any credentials at all...I'm WAY beyond caring what you think. Joan In a message dated 5/27/2013 8:12:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wjhonson@aol.com writes: You do not need credentials to discuss copyright in a public forum Especially so, when those who *started* that side discussion (not I) are wrong in their uncited claims :)