I'm the person that started the question about blank pages. Robert Forrest contacted me about the blank page on his web site Early Western Murray County History that was linked to my county page. I could not answer his question so I put it out to Rootweb Help. Your suggestions and comments were forwarded to Mr. Forrest. I would like to thank the people that responded but some of the answers got off the subject and started an argument. As of yesterday afternoon Mr. Forrest has taken down his page with no communication to me. I do not know if he is going to fix the problem or just drop the site. He may have thought, as I, that some of the answers were putting him down for not being webpage knowledgeable when all he wanted to do was put his grandfather's book on line for people. His site had been up since 2001. I became a county coordinator in 1999 for the purpose of helping people find free family history in Murray County not to be a webmaster. I'm still using what some call outdated programs, such as FTP95, Webford, and Front Page. My page is not pretty but it is simple to use and I receive 2 to 3 emails a week asking for information. I don't have the hours, money, or the desire to update. Right now I can live in the 90's. Someday I will have to make a change, if things stop working, but in the mean time I would rather spend my time and energy to help people connect with their ancestors. Char ----- Original Message ----- From: "Char Larson" <charlarson@frontiernet.net> To: <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 11:15 AM Subject: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Pages blank or dead > Has anyone had a problem with dead pages on different computers? The page > in question is > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/home.htm > > This page comes up on my PC but when I use an IPad the page is blank. > Others have tried this and the same thing happens to them. > > Early Western Murray County History by Robert Forrest > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/title.htm > > There are four subtitles on the bottom > Next Page > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/cont1.htm > Table of Contents > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/cont1.htm > Index Name > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/indexa-g.htm > Home http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/home.htm > > The only one that does not work on some computers is the HOME. > > Char Larson > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mnmurray/ > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 9617 (20140331) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 9617 (20140331) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > >

Quite right, there isn't. OTOH, I didn't say the *name* was the extra layer. On the third hand, things may have changed enough in the past couple years that one thin and obvious layer isn't worth the effort. Cheryl Dora Smith wrote: > There is absolutely no security difference between html and htm. And, if > you don't change the file name in the linking urls, you WILL find yourself > looking at blank pages! > > Dora > > -----Original Message----- > From: singhals > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 7:58 PM > To: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Pages blank or dead > > FWIW -- I always upload the page as .htm, then rename it to > .html, then up it a second time. Every browser will > recognize one or the other! (g) AND added bonus, I'm told > it gives a layer of security. > > YMMV etc > > Cheryl > > Dora Smith wrote: >> No, I left the htm extension alone, but edited out the comments, and then >> the page displays in my browsers. >> >> Dora >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jeff Owens >> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 12:31 PM >> To: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Pages blank or dead >> >> I have experienced this in the past. The problem seems to be that older >> versions of HTML would recognize the 3 letter .htm extension, but later >> vers. will not. Suggest you try changing the extension to html and try >> it. If this is not your web site page, download the page, and then >> rename it by changing the extension, then reopen it. >> >> Jeff Oens >> >> Char Larson wrote: >>> Has anyone had a problem with dead pages on different computers? The >>> page >>> in question is >>> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/home.htm >>> >>> This page comes up on my PC but when I use an IPad the page is blank. >>> Others have tried this and the same thing happens to them. >>> >>> Early Western Murray County History by Robert Forrest >>> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/title.htm >>> >>> There are four subtitles on the bottom >>> Next Page >>> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/cont1.htm >>> Table of Contents >>> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/cont1.htm >>> Index Name >>> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/indexa-g.htm >>> Home >>> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/home.htm >>> >>> The only one that does not work on some computers is the HOME. >>> >>> Char Larson >>> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mnmurray/ >>> >>> >>>

By the way, Dora, I got a chuckle from reading how you said "bleeping CSS". I felt that way too. It seems alien and hard(er) to understand, versus HTML. Just give me plain English, ya know? But I'm slowly learning CSS. It does make pages load faster, cleaner. Judy

Dora, Word doesn't automatically add CSS code. MS Word adds MS Word proprietary code, which bloats code completely. However, CSS shortens HTML coding, even the plainest HTML. Judy

On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> wrote: Which says directly that a doctype is *not* needed, which is my point. All modern browsers will render the page without the need for a doctype. Did you read the page? It says clearly that a doctype is *not* needed. It even explains what will happen if you do not use a doctype. And that explanation doesn't include "the page will not work at all" ==================================================================== The first line at http://www.htmlbasictutor.ca/doctype-declaration.htm says::: "The DOCTYPE Declaration (DTD or Document Type Declaration), what it does <emphasis added>and why each web page needs it<emphasis added>." Please state the line where you see it say a DocType " says clearly that a doctype is *not* needed". Reading informational text as to "what will happen if you don't do this" means there's a reason for telling what negative consequences can result if you don't do something. As a different example, if I wrote on an automotive webpage the following, using the same logic would you state I don't really need a car key or electronic key? Example: Without a car key you won't be able to unlock the car door. Your car won't work because you have no key to start the ignition. If your doors are left unlocked, without a key you won't be unlock the door if the lock is accidentally activated. You won't have access to a locked glove compartment. You won't be able to unlock the trunk (unless your car has a trunk release and your doors are unlocked). The page just says "if you don't have a doctype these negative things can happen". So if you want to deal with problems, including validation errors.... Judy

My web pages display just fine in any browser. Now, what they'd do if I threw in some bleeping CSS, I couldn't say. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Wjhonson Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 2:52 PM To: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Pages blank or dead All modern browsers will interpret HTML without a doctype. Every one of them :) -----Original Message----- From: Jim Rickenbacker(3) <j3mr2@borisbrooks.com> To: rootsweb-help <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 31, 2014 12:19 pm Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Pages blank or dead True, you don't need a doctype and validators are silly so long as you don't care how your page displays on any browser besides yours. If you do care a doctype is needed and a validator is very helpful. Jim Rickenbacker On 3/31/2014 1:06 PM, Wjhonson wrote: > It's incorrect that pages *need* a doctype. > It's optional. All modern browsers will display the content without the doctype line. > > Although the silly validator will complain if you don't have a doctype :) > I hate those things.... they are so so picky. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JFlorian <cageycat@gmail.com> > To: LIST: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:02 am > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Pages blank or dead > > > A comment is (without leading dots) > <...!--This is a comment. Comments are not displayed in the browser--> > > it must begin with <! (exclamation point) end with these characters: > "--->" without quotes. > > Also, pages do need a doctype but the one you used is invalid. > > You have a closing table tag but not open? > > See http://validator.w3.org/#validate_by_input > > Judy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Not one of my pages have the doctype tag, and, miracle of miracles, the pages display! And the search engines find my pages just fine. It's amazing. If I'm researching one of my more obscure ancestors, guess whose web pages are generally the top seven that come up in Google. Doctype isn't relevant to much. The search engines don't use it to find your web pages. Now, mind you, I wouldn't be caught dead using no CSS. Plain old 1990's style HTML is what I learned, in the 1990's, and it does for me just fine, thank you very much - and that is what both my genealogical software and my web editor use. I won't use Word or any of the other web page generators because their bleepin gd CSS and whatever else take up 100 MB a page! I don't think so! There's no reason for it - and don't anyone start in with none of those imaginary reasons that outer space aliens are constantly making up. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Michael Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 3:52 PM To: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Pages blank or dead Very true, Jim. If one wanted to re-create a page from the 1990's, and only include block and in-line elements, one could omit the doctype and probably get away with it. Of course, why would anyone want to :-) If one doesn't specify a doctype, forget using html. The page won't validate either. You can't link a style sheet to the page, and the browser rendering the page will display it in Quirks Mode. I enjoyed the 1990s, but... Michael On 3/31/2014 3:19 PM, Jim Rickenbacker(3) wrote: True, you don't need a doctype and validators are silly so long as you don't care how your page displays on any browser besides yours. If you do care a doctype is needed and a validator is very helpful. Jim Rickenbacker On 3/31/2014 1:06 PM, Wjhonson wrote: It's incorrect that pages *need* a doctype. It's optional. All modern browsers will display the content without the doctyp e line. Although the silly validator will complain if you don't have a doctype :) I hate those things.... they are so so picky. -----Original Message----- From: JFlorian [1]<cageycat@gmail.com> To: LIST: [2]rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com [3]<rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:02 am Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Pages blank or dead A comment is (without leading dots) <...!--This is a comment. Comments are not displayed in the browser--> it must begin with <! (exclamation point) end with these characters: "--->" without quotes. Also, pages do need a doctype but the one you used is invalid. You have a closing table tag but not open? See [4]http://validator.w3.org/#validate_by_input Judy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [5]ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@ rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [6]ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@ rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [7]ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@ rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:cageycat@gmail.com 2. mailto:rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com 4. http://validator.w3.org/#validate_by_input 5. mailto:ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com 6. mailto:ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com 7. mailto:ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

There is absolutely no security difference between html and htm. And, if you don't change the file name in the linking urls, you WILL find yourself looking at blank pages! Dora -----Original Message----- From: singhals Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 7:58 PM To: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Pages blank or dead FWIW -- I always upload the page as .htm, then rename it to .html, then up it a second time. Every browser will recognize one or the other! (g) AND added bonus, I'm told it gives a layer of security. YMMV etc Cheryl Dora Smith wrote: > No, I left the htm extension alone, but edited out the comments, and then > the page displays in my browsers. > > Dora > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Owens > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 12:31 PM > To: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Pages blank or dead > > I have experienced this in the past. The problem seems to be that older > versions of HTML would recognize the 3 letter .htm extension, but later > vers. will not. Suggest you try changing the extension to html and try > it. If this is not your web site page, download the page, and then > rename it by changing the extension, then reopen it. > > Jeff Oens > > Char Larson wrote: >> Has anyone had a problem with dead pages on different computers? The >> page >> in question is >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/home.htm >> >> This page comes up on my PC but when I use an IPad the page is blank. >> Others have tried this and the same thing happens to them. >> >> Early Western Murray County History by Robert Forrest >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/title.htm >> >> There are four subtitles on the bottom >> Next Page >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/cont1.htm >> Table of Contents >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/cont1.htm >> Index Name >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/indexa-g.htm >> Home >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/home.htm >> >> The only one that does not work on some computers is the HOME. >> >> Char Larson >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mnmurray/ >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

FWIW -- I always upload the page as .htm, then rename it to .html, then up it a second time. Every browser will recognize one or the other! (g) AND added bonus, I'm told it gives a layer of security. YMMV etc Cheryl Dora Smith wrote: > No, I left the htm extension alone, but edited out the comments, and then > the page displays in my browsers. > > Dora > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Owens > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 12:31 PM > To: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Pages blank or dead > > I have experienced this in the past. The problem seems to be that older > versions of HTML would recognize the 3 letter .htm extension, but later > vers. will not. Suggest you try changing the extension to html and try > it. If this is not your web site page, download the page, and then > rename it by changing the extension, then reopen it. > > Jeff Oens > > Char Larson wrote: >> Has anyone had a problem with dead pages on different computers? The page >> in question is >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/home.htm >> >> This page comes up on my PC but when I use an IPad the page is blank. >> Others have tried this and the same thing happens to them. >> >> Early Western Murray County History by Robert Forrest >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/title.htm >> >> There are four subtitles on the bottom >> Next Page >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/cont1.htm >> Table of Contents >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/cont1.htm >> Index Name >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/indexa-g.htm >> Home http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/home.htm >> >> The only one that does not work on some computers is the HOME. >> >> Char Larson >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mnmurray/ >> >> >> >>

I submit that 98 percent of the web pages hosted in the freepages of rootsweb, have no style sheets :) It's like that episode of the Big Bang Theory were they wanted to rewrite the dictionary being one entry was missing a period.... I just made that one up. By the way, most check engine lights aren't even for necessary components :) -----Original Message----- From: Michael <sirreal53@tampabay.rr.com> To: rootsweb-help <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 31, 2014 1:52 pm Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Pages blank or dead Very true, Jim. If one wanted to re-create a page from the 1990's, and only include block and in-line elements, one could omit the doctype and probably get away with it. Of course, why would anyone want to :-) If one doesn't specify a doctype, forget using html. The page won't validate either. You can't link a style sheet to the page, and the browser rendering the page will display it in Quirks Mode. I enjoyed the 1990s, but... Michael On 3/31/2014 3:19 PM, Jim Rickenbacker(3) wrote: True, you don't need a doctype and validators are silly so long as you don't care how your page displays on any browser besides yours. If you do care a doctype is needed and a validator is very helpful. Jim Rickenbacker On 3/31/2014 1:06 PM, Wjhonson wrote: It's incorrect that pages *need* a doctype. It's optional. All modern browsers will display the content without the doctyp e line. Although the silly validator will complain if you don't have a doctype :) I hate those things.... they are so so picky. -----Original Message----- From: JFlorian [1]<cageycat@gmail.com> To: LIST: [2]rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com [3]<rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:02 am Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Pages blank or dead A comment is (without leading dots) <...!--This is a comment. Comments are not displayed in the browser--> it must begin with <! (exclamation point) end with these characters: "--->" without quotes. Also, pages do need a doctype but the one you used is invalid. You have a closing table tag but not open? See [4]http://validator.w3.org/#validate_by_input Judy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [5]ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@ rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [6]ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@ rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [7]ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@ rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:cageycat@gmail.com 2. mailto:rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com 4. http://validator.w3.org/#validate_by_input 5. mailto:ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com 6. mailto:ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com 7. mailto:ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wjhonson wrote: > Which says directly that a doctype is *not* needed, which is my point. > All modern browsers will render the page without the need for a doctype. > > Did you read the page? It says clearly that a doctype is *not* needed. > It even explains what will happen if you do not use a doctype. > And that explanation doesn't include "the page will not work at all" > > > You are correct for most pages and most browsers if the only coding is basic HTML, but for something with XML, XHTML, SGML, CSS, and other more complex variations the situation is not whether something will appear, but that things may not appear as the constructor wishes them. Since it is relatively simple to add the DOCTYPE, it would seem prudent to do so rather than ignoring it. The article pointed out, and the further reading suggested there, also says that there are differences and consequences of not using a DOCTYPE, or in some cases one that specifies a particular version may cause a users browser to interpret incorrectly by not being in the "Standard" mode. Reminds me of an episode of "Big Bang Theory" -- Penny keeps ignoring the 'Check Engine' light until one day the car sputtered and died. One thing to take into account is the definition of modern. Some of the neophytes (and also long time users) using genealogy web sites are not always into downloading updates to stay "modern". Many users are still working with IE 6.0 and early Mozilla browsers. Design needs to take into account these factors. For what its worth, Jeff o.

Very true, Jim. If one wanted to re-create a page from the 1990's, and only include block and in-line elements, one could omit the doctype and probably get away with it. Of course, why would anyone want to :-) If one doesn't specify a doctype, forget using html. The page won't validate either. You can't link a style sheet to the page, and the browser rendering the page will display it in Quirks Mode. I enjoyed the 1990s, but... Michael On 3/31/2014 3:19 PM, Jim Rickenbacker(3) wrote: True, you don't need a doctype and validators are silly so long as you don't care how your page displays on any browser besides yours. If you do care a doctype is needed and a validator is very helpful. Jim Rickenbacker On 3/31/2014 1:06 PM, Wjhonson wrote: It's incorrect that pages *need* a doctype. It's optional. All modern browsers will display the content without the doctyp e line. Although the silly validator will complain if you don't have a doctype :) I hate those things.... they are so so picky. -----Original Message----- From: JFlorian [1]<cageycat@gmail.com> To: LIST: [2]rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com [3]<rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:02 am Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Pages blank or dead A comment is (without leading dots) <...!--This is a comment. Comments are not displayed in the browser--> it must begin with <! (exclamation point) end with these characters: "--->" without quotes. Also, pages do need a doctype but the one you used is invalid. You have a closing table tag but not open? See [4]http://validator.w3.org/#validate_by_input Judy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [5]ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@ rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [6]ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@ rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [7]ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@ rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:cageycat@gmail.com 2. mailto:rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com 4. http://validator.w3.org/#validate_by_input 5. mailto:ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com 6. mailto:ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com 7. mailto:ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com

Which says directly that a doctype is *not* needed, which is my point. All modern browsers will render the page without the need for a doctype. Did you read the page? It says clearly that a doctype is *not* needed. It even explains what will happen if you do not use a doctype. And that explanation doesn't include "the page will not work at all" -----Original Message----- From: Pat Geary <pat@the-gearys.com> To: rootsweb-help <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 31, 2014 1:03 pm Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Pages blank or dead At 03:19 PM 3/31/2014, you wrote: >True, you don't need a doctype and validators are silly so long as you >don't care how your page displays on any browser besides yours. If you >do care a doctype is needed and a validator is very helpful. Reasons why a valid doctype is needed. http://www.htmlbasictutor.ca/doctype-declaration.htm pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 03:19 PM 3/31/2014, you wrote: >True, you don't need a doctype and validators are silly so long as you >don't care how your page displays on any browser besides yours. If you >do care a doctype is needed and a validator is very helpful. Reasons why a valid doctype is needed. http://www.htmlbasictutor.ca/doctype-declaration.htm pat

All modern browsers will interpret HTML without a doctype. Every one of them :) -----Original Message----- From: Jim Rickenbacker(3) <j3mr2@borisbrooks.com> To: rootsweb-help <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 31, 2014 12:19 pm Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Pages blank or dead True, you don't need a doctype and validators are silly so long as you don't care how your page displays on any browser besides yours. If you do care a doctype is needed and a validator is very helpful. Jim Rickenbacker On 3/31/2014 1:06 PM, Wjhonson wrote: > It's incorrect that pages *need* a doctype. > It's optional. All modern browsers will display the content without the doctype line. > > Although the silly validator will complain if you don't have a doctype :) > I hate those things.... they are so so picky. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JFlorian <cageycat@gmail.com> > To: LIST: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:02 am > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Pages blank or dead > > > A comment is (without leading dots) > <...!--This is a comment. Comments are not displayed in the browser--> > > it must begin with <! (exclamation point) end with these characters: > "--->" without quotes. > > Also, pages do need a doctype but the one you used is invalid. > > You have a closing table tag but not open? > > See http://validator.w3.org/#validate_by_input > > Judy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

True, you don't need a doctype and validators are silly so long as you don't care how your page displays on any browser besides yours. If you do care a doctype is needed and a validator is very helpful. Jim Rickenbacker On 3/31/2014 1:06 PM, Wjhonson wrote: > It's incorrect that pages *need* a doctype. > It's optional. All modern browsers will display the content without the doctype line. > > Although the silly validator will complain if you don't have a doctype :) > I hate those things.... they are so so picky. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JFlorian <cageycat@gmail.com> > To: LIST: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:02 am > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Pages blank or dead > > > A comment is (without leading dots) > <...!--This is a comment. Comments are not displayed in the browser--> > > it must begin with <! (exclamation point) end with these characters: > "--->" without quotes. > > Also, pages do need a doctype but the one you used is invalid. > > You have a closing table tag but not open? > > See http://validator.w3.org/#validate_by_input > > Judy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It's incorrect that pages *need* a doctype. It's optional. All modern browsers will display the content without the doctype line. Although the silly validator will complain if you don't have a doctype :) I hate those things.... they are so so picky. -----Original Message----- From: JFlorian <cageycat@gmail.com> To: LIST: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 31, 2014 11:02 am Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Pages blank or dead A comment is (without leading dots) <...!--This is a comment. Comments are not displayed in the browser--> it must begin with <! (exclamation point) end with these characters: "--->" without quotes. Also, pages do need a doctype but the one you used is invalid. You have a closing table tag but not open? See http://validator.w3.org/#validate_by_input Judy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A comment is (without leading dots) <...!--This is a comment. Comments are not displayed in the browser--> it must begin with <! (exclamation point) end with these characters: "--->" without quotes. Also, pages do need a doctype but the one you used is invalid. You have a closing table tag but not open? See http://validator.w3.org/#validate_by_input Judy

I have experienced this in the past. The problem seems to be that older versions of HTML would recognize the 3 letter .htm extension, but later vers. will not. Suggest you try changing the extension to html and try it. If this is not your web site page, download the page, and then rename it by changing the extension, then reopen it. Jeff Oens Char Larson wrote: > Has anyone had a problem with dead pages on different computers? The page in question is http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/home.htm > > This page comes up on my PC but when I use an IPad the page is blank. Others have tried this and the same thing happens to them. > > Early Western Murray County History by Robert Forrest > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/title.htm > > There are four subtitles on the bottom > Next Page http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/cont1.htm > Table of Contents http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/cont1.htm > Index Name http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/indexa-g.htm > Home http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/home.htm > > The only one that does not work on some computers is the HOME. > > Char Larson > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mnmurray/ > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 9617 (20140331) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Remove those extra bgcolor lines, you only need one. Then it works fine -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@yahoo.com> To: rootsweb-help <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> Cc: charlarson <charlarson@frontier.net> Sent: Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:14 am Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Pages blank or dead Sent this 10 minutes ago and it fell into hyperspace. CCing the person who posted this time in case the gremlins are holding onto it. That page is coming up blank for me on my PC, in both Firefox and Google Chrome. Internet Explorer, too. Windows 7. Firefox and Google are current; not sure about Internet Explorer but it might be. So I examined the page source code, saved the page to my desktop, edited it in Notetab Lite (any text editor would do), removed some odd looking lines, and the page now works fine. Take out the top line, doctype, which you don't need and may be why the entire page won't work, and the two body statements that have !, and the line of &nbsp, and you're good to go. Once that's all gone the page works. Looks like your web editor is doing something odd that isn't allowed - and you've got three versions of your BODY statement, it looks like only the one with no ! is supposed to be active. Possibly it's that the browsers are no longer supporting some esoteric HTML code feature. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Char Larson Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 11:15 AM To: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com Subject: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Pages blank or dead Has anyone had a problem with dead pages on different computers? The page in question is http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/home.htm This page comes up on my PC but when I use an IPad the page is blank. Others have tried this and the same thing happens to them. Early Western Murray County History by Robert Forrest http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/title.htm There are four subtitles on the bottom Next Page http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/cont1.htm Table of Contents http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/cont1.htm Index Name http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/indexa-g.htm Home http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~usgenweb/mn/murray/history/home.htm The only one that does not work on some computers is the HOME. Char Larson http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mnmurray/ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 9617 (20140331) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message