Hi Jim, I don't think Susan/the society is using a redirect away from RW, but the opposite--- from the domain back to RW. That's acceptable to my knowledge. What's weird is how her RW links never change to RW but show the main domain 'home page'--- while delivering the RW content. The frameset Pat A. brought up confused me because I didn't think the domain or RW site was using "frames", but I could see that the direction or delivery of the redirect was somehow just weird. If I have a domain redirect back to RW, shouldn't it flip over to the RW URL in the URL browser box?? Susan, post back what you learn from your domain server... I'm interested/curious to know what this is. Judy

Hi, Please can someone help me. I'm webmaster for a branch of NZ Society of Genealogists. We have a website with rootsweb: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzlhvrsg so our webpages show in the url like so, eg the news page: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzlhvrsg/news.html We have our own domain (which already redirects to rootsweb): http://huttvalleygenealogy.org.nz/ But what does NOT work is the concatenation of our webpage-names onto our domain name. So, if I go to the News page using our domain, all that shows is: http://huttvalleygenealogy.org.nz/ I want it to show: http://huttvalleygenealogy.org.nz/news.html What do I need to do to get this working? Thanks, Susan Wilson

Susan, You might want to check http://accounts.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index.cgi?op=show&page=gensoc.htm Item 6 and particularly the last sentence seems to be applicable. Jim Rickenbacker On 3/17/2015 10:36 PM, Susan Wilson via wrote: > Hi, > > Please can someone help me. > > I'm webmaster for a branch of NZ Society of Genealogists. > > We have a website with rootsweb: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzlhvrsg > so our webpages show in the url like so, eg the news page: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzlhvrsg/news.html > > We have our own domain (which already redirects to rootsweb): > http://huttvalleygenealogy.org.nz/ > > But what does NOT work is the concatenation of our webpage-names onto our domain name. > So, if I go to the News page using our domain, all that shows is: > http://huttvalleygenealogy.org.nz/ > > I want it to show: > http://huttvalleygenealogy.org.nz/news.html > > What do I need to do to get this working? > > Thanks, > Susan Wilson > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Susan, When you have a server level redirect in place, when someone clicks on a link indicating http://huttvalleygenealogy.org.nz (for example) they go to that domain, but the hosting server for your domain name automatically sends those URI requests to http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzlhvrsg/ as you have instructed them to do. What I am seeing is not a server level redirect, but a frameset displaying content on the RootsWeb server when your domain name is called. That is not the same as a redirect by your domain host and is a scamming technique often used by phishing sites. Perhaps you first need to talk to IT support for your domain hosting to determine what redirect methods they support and recommend. Pat A. At 11:36 PM 3/17/2015, you wrote: >Please can someone help me. > >I'm webmaster for a branch of NZ Society of Genealogists. > >We have a website with rootsweb: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzlhvrsg >so our webpages show in the url like so, eg the news page: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzlhvrsg/news.html > >We have our own domain (which already redirects to rootsweb): > http://huttvalleygenealogy.org.nz/ > >But what does NOT work is the concatenation of our webpage-names >onto our domain name. >So, if I go to the News page using our domain, all that shows is: > http://huttvalleygenealogy.org.nz/ > >I want it to show: > http://huttvalleygenealogy.org.nz/news.html > >What do I need to do to get this working?

Thanks Jim for finding that clarification. Is there a way to insert the existing counter number so the exec file begins at a higher number? Judy

Judy, I don't think there is for "counterord" however there is another counter listed on the same help page: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/rootsweb/wizards/webmasters.html#counter called "Gumby's Page Counter" that lets you reset the count as desired. Jim On 2/7/2015 3:46 PM, JFlorian wrote: > Thanks Jim for finding that clarification. > > Is there a way to insert the existing counter number so the exec file > begins at a higher number? > > Judy

The following is from RootsWeb help page: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/rootsweb/wizards/webmasters.html#counter How Can I Have a Counter at RootsWeb? There are two ways to have a page counter on your pages. The easiest is to just include a little snippet of code like: You are our <!--#exec cgi="/cgi-bin/counterord"--> visitor -- thanks for stopping by! Yes, there is "a file on the server at Rootsweb that says to the server - when you see this code on x page, increment the count for that page by 1". The name of that file may be counterord.cgi but could be counterord.pl or just counterord depending on how the server is set up to handle cgi. Jim Rickenbacker On 2/6/2015 3:50 PM, Timothy Stowell via wrote: > So, I'm trying to wrap my head around this - > > code from a page on Rootsweb - > > <!--#exec cgi="/cgi-bin/counterord"--> > > I know this is a server side include - but what I'm trying to figure out is > - is there a file on the server at Rootsweb that says to the server - when > you see this code on x page, increment the count for that page by 1? Is > that file named counterord.cgi? > > Reading this blurb from a search and from the set of top hits comes this > page - > > https://my.hostmonster.com/hosting/help/257 - which talks about an include > file but I'm still not sure of the mechanics of all this. > > Can someone offer a simple explanation of what happens between a request > for x page with the code above on it when it is requested from the server > that increments the counter by 1? > > Tim > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

That line seems to do something different than what you are asking. See http://www.acns.colostate.edu/Help/LamarCounters It seems this is a user-added line. The page above says, in part: It is very simple to have a counter on a web page served by one of ACNS's servers, yuma.colostate.edu, or lamar.colostate.edu. Just add the following to the page: view plain <http://www.acns.colostate.edu/Help/LamarCounters#>print <http://www.acns.colostate.edu/Help/LamarCounters#>? <http://www.acns.colostate.edu/Help/LamarCounters#> 1. You are the <!--#exec cgi="/cgi-bin/counter-ord" --> person to view my homepage. This will produce something like "You are the 12th person to view my homepage." If you use: view plain <http://www.acns.colostate.edu/Help/LamarCounters#>print <http://www.acns.colostate.edu/Help/LamarCounters#>? <http://www.acns.colostate.edu/Help/LamarCounters#> 1. This page has been accessed <!--#exec cgi="/cgi-bin/counter" --> times. You will see "This page has been accessed 12 times." The construct <!--#exec cgi="path"--> is a "server side include" (SSI). It looks like an HTML comment, but allows dynamic information to be added to a web page. SSIs allow counters, file sizes, dates and other information to be included in the web page displayed. You can activate "server side includes" by having your html filename end in .shtml instead of .html or .htm

So, I'm trying to wrap my head around this - code from a page on Rootsweb - <!--#exec cgi="/cgi-bin/counterord"--> I know this is a server side include - but what I'm trying to figure out is - is there a file on the server at Rootsweb that says to the server - when you see this code on x page, increment the count for that page by 1? Is that file named counterord.cgi? Reading this blurb from a search and from the set of top hits comes this page - https://my.hostmonster.com/hosting/help/257 - which talks about an include file but I'm still not sure of the mechanics of all this. Can someone offer a simple explanation of what happens between a request for x page with the code above on it when it is requested from the server that increments the counter by 1? Tim

You never COUILD open a gateway just by adding the gateway address to the accept list. You have to contact board staff about opening the gateway and both list and board admin must agree to it. Joan Young jyoung6180@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Joyce Gaston Reece via <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> To: rootsweb-help <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Feb 6, 2015 9:01 am Subject: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] gateway I am told that we can no longer open the gateways by adding the address to the accept list. Is this factual? Joyce Gaston Reece ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am told that we can no longer open the gateways by adding the address to the accept list. Is this factual? Joyce Gaston Reece

At 11:52 AM 2/5/2015, Joyce Gaston Reece via wrote: >I had most of the gateway addresses opened between my message boards >and rootsweb list. The gateway addresses are now gone from the >accept lists. Could someone tell me (remind me) of the gateway >address for the accept list in the admin pages for the mail lists? gc-gateway@rootsweb.com Be sure to add the ^ sign as the first character on the line in either the accept or ban list. Pat Asher

I had most of the gateway addresses opened between my message boards and rootsweb list. The gateway addresses are now gone from the accept lists. Could someone tell me (remind me) of the gateway address for the accept list in the admin pages for the mail lists? Thanks Joyce Gaston Reece

Pot meet Kettle. ======= I tend to strive for a middle ground. Judy

I wish you well. Just wait, though, your blanket policy will one day affect *you* and ethics will suddenly rear it's head. Since you seem to need to be right... fine, you're 1% right. Judy

Family members who are living are living persons. J

I know there are a lot of holier than thou people out there who, God knows why they're even doing family history research, since they are too holy to believe in ever actually sharing or using information. And they love to thunder like the Voice of God at the Judgement Day. Laws, and ethics, and whatever else they can come up with to thunder about. ======== My, then by that reasoning we should order colleges and universities to immediately stop teaching all classes having to do with Ethics and Morality. Oh for that matter, Humanistic anything. Genealogists aren't above being ethical, moral, or human. Judy

That is the path I walk. The public's right-to-know, in my opinion, far overweighs the family's right to suppress. ================= Really? What about if you had a young son who died from an accident? What if it was you who ran over him, accidentally, in the early morning as you rushed off to work? The boy had only come out to kiss you one last time... and indeed, it was the last gesture of love. He never got the kiss. (Or the countless ways we ALL make mistakes...or a moment of inattention to our kids.) In response, the pain so great, parents divorce, drinking or drugs or gambling enter lives for the first time, the house worked so hard to obtain ends up in foreclosure, the jobs both parents held are long gone... Community rallies around them, but... those snide remarks however few rub faces in guilt no matter what. Suicide seems far better.... Remember the HIV-AIDs outcries a couple decades ago (and still)? Well, years ago, your relative was hurt in a foreign country where they don't screen blood. He needed a transfusion, was infected from the blood with AIDs and HepC. But before he discovers this, he runs for public office and wins. When he starts losing weight, people talk. Everyone makes assumptions. A reporter speculates about his HIV status; next thing, he's being called "gay" and worse words. Someone sees him at the Aids clinic at the hospital--must be "a clue"--let's get some "proof", after all, he's a public official. He has 3 kids who get bullied at school over their "ho__" dad... Without knowing, he infected his wife, who dies within a year--for which he is blamed... He resigns from office from unmerited shame... But by then, the AIDs story printed in newspapers won't die... until he takes his life. (I can't wait to write all the sorted details! -- Oh yes I can: It's called ethics.) The kids are still minors... No, I won't include the details of this man's tragedy until after I speak to the kids when they age to adults and get permission... Since when do you own someone else's life? "Journalists" and writers get paid to snoop (like genealogists minus the paycheck). It is easy to proclaim ownership over a "family' right to suppress"--until it's you and your family. But the guiding principle for all: ethics. If you don't agree, I urge you to begin writing your own completely unvarnished story. Include any bad act you've ever done regardless of whether you were ever caught or not. Steal? Lie? Hit someone? Bully someone? Have a temper? Do you do anything to excess (drink, drugs, etc.)? Please, throw in all your flaws, your mistakes, the things that make you feel ashamed... the things that trouble you whenever it comes to mind... I dare you to post it--ALL--with the same no holds barred you use toward other people's lives. No secrets? No shame? Well, then you're better than 99.9% of everyone living or dead. Respectfully, Judy

Dora, it sounds like somebody said something here that really upset you. Calling other posters "holier than thou," and "trumpeters" when there's a perfectly civil discussion going on tends to get negative reactions back There's room for a variety of opinions on how much to share, though I think we all share one general restriction - not sharing information on living people without their consent. On taking information found on someone else's tree - when I find information that is new to me on a web tree, I try to prove it with other records that I can cite as source, or if it's information that is exceptionally important to the project I'm doing, I sometimes ask the tree owner if they'll share their sources. But I have to admit that I have some information in my private tree that has it's only source, "family tree found on Ancestry.com" with no further citation just so I'll know where I got it, because I've not yet found anything else as proof. That won't go on a public tree with that listed as source, which is why most of my tree is currently still private, though I'm happy to share whatever I've got with people I contact, or who contact me.I'm just one of those folks who is really finicky about being able to cite a reliable source - I'd hate to have something I post in a tree lead someone else astray in their research. Linda E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dora Smith via" <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> To: "JFlorian" <cageycat@gmail.com>; <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] [Bulk] Re: ROOTSWEB-HELP Digest, Vol 10,Issue 3--Issues abt. copyright > Copyright is a very controversial subject, people. I know there are a > lot > of holier than thou people out there who, God knows why they're even doing > family history research, since they are too holy to believe in ever > actually > sharing or using information. And they love to thunder like the Voice of > God at the Judgement Day. Laws, and ethics, and whatever else they can > come up with to thunder about. > > I feel strongly that noone owns family history, and my web sites > explicitly > say my information is public domain. So there. > > There is not one way to feel about using other peoples' information or how > to use it. So noone needs to be acting holier than thou. > > There is more than one way to interpret copyright law, as well. > > Did the trumpeters here even know that while stories can arguably be > copyrighted (depending on the story and on how it's repeated), > genealogical > facts cannot be copyrighted. They're public information. Doesn't > matter > who published what that contains them. Are people due credit? Yes - > in > theory, but under some circumstances, including self defense, one might > not > bother. If Jane Smith might sue me if I use information I got from her > web > site, I'm certainly going to use the web site, but I might not wave a red > blanket in front of the bull by saying where I got it! So much for > holier > than thou trumpeting. If you want respect you're JUST going to have to > give > it. > > Dora --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Dora- Will you please tell us where you obtained your law degree and when you became an expert in Copyright law? I think anyone who takes "legal" advice such as the bogus information you are offering in this thread is like the person who takes investment advice from the cab driver. Copyright lawt is a legal matter and can be quite complex. It certainly would be unwise for anyone to follow your advice in that THEY would be the person being sued if they violate a copyright and not YOU. Joan Young jyoung6180@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith via <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> To: Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com>; rootsweb-help <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Jan 8, 2015 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Public files?? I think copyright is still a civil matter. It would be up to the newspaper to complain. Copying newspaper articles is pretty routine. Especially death notices and obituaries, and reports about crime. I wouldn't worry about it. Hard to say if it was them holier than thou trumpeters complaining, or if it was relatives upset that you'd include the negative information. Actually knowing about relatives and ancestors who got into trouble, overdosed, and committed suicide is valuable information; it can be how someone puts together a family pattern of mental health issues, which are strongly genetic. I have mild and vague bipolar disorder that wasn't diagnosed for 20 years because the family history was concealed from me, and the things that should have given it away were concealed all around. I'm pretty much a fire breather when it comes to making that information public. Anyone who needs information pertinent to family mental health history should be able to readily find it, regardless of whether relatives are willing to directly share it. We need to drop the medieval attitudes about mental health issues in this society while we're at it. Don't even start with holier than thouing at me about it. Just drop the attitudes. Now, I know people are going to harrumph, and, just so you know, I'm going to ignore you. Miscarriages are another matter. Some of the more correct among us, some of the same people harrumphing about copyright issues, include ALL births in their genealogical data. Just sigh and ignore it. There are those who will battle about anything; probably my favorite is people screaming that actual e-mail shows up in their mailboxes, and when they subscribe to mailing lists, not every post that comes to their mailbox directly interests them, but since they are very proper people I guess they feel they have to read it, or something. I get a thousand e-mails a day and some days I read three of them. Today, most women don't share a pregnancy until it shows, people. No bump, no news, no foul! Not even if you're the Dutchess of Cambridge. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Wjhonson via Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 5:39 PM To: cageycat@gmail.com ; rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Public files?? Well not hurting the living is different from whether a person *can legally* post the information (without the threat of losing a lawsuit against them). -----Original Message----- From: JFlorian via <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> To: LIST: rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Jan 7, 2015 3:28 pm Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Public files?? As a related topic, some people objected when I posted newspaper articles about conviction/jail time for someone convicted of a crime. The offender was long dead. I posted them, citing "public" -- AND the articles had NO info about the offender's family/descendants. In a more personal context, in my extended family, a 2nd husband committed murder-suicide. They had 1 son, who came home from school at age 8 and found his mom and step-dad's bodies. Though the "8 yr old" was now in his 70s, I omitted the boy's name altogether and just said the mother was murdered. The current 3 living generations will know the story. I didn't feel it appropriate to reopen pain for that man. In another...my family... a cousin's family had a 19 month old. The baby drowned in the family pool. It destroyed the family--the parents divorced, blaming each other. I simply put the baby's death date, the parent's marr and divorce dates, but nothing of what happened. No need to rehurt people. Women who have miscarriages or SIDS also are painful subjects. My sister wanted her 8 mo old fetus stillborn listed, because they named the baby for the funeral. A cousin who went thru a SIDS death wanted me to tell her son's story.... another cousin with the same experience wanted me to omit her baby's birth even! In many ways, "it depends" is often the only real answer. I try to not rehurt the living. Judy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message