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In a message dated 12/23/2001 1:02:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, RootsWeb-Help-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > X-Message: #7 > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 19:32:28 -0500 > From: "Sharen Williams" <sharwill@ccia.com> > To: RootsWeb-Help-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <010301c18b49$4e311ec0$e5cbefd0@Sharwill> > Subject: [RW-Help] website editor programs > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Can anyone suggest a good program for setting up websites that is simple to > use (for beginners)? > WordPerfect8 has a webpage template for people who don't know anything technical about designing webpages. I fall into that category myself. I designed my webpage using WordPerfect8 web index template. Gail McCormick www.rootsweb.com/~sdbrook2/Index.htm

Hi, Sharon, Here are three to avoid: 1. Netscape Composer: It has lots of bugs and generates HTML that will not pass the validation test at http://validator.w3.org/ (an essential tool for any webmaster!) 2. MS WORD: It generates unbelievably complex HTML that probably will topple most browsers -- except, of course, MS Internet Explorer! 3. MS FrontPage: I've never used it, but I understand that it uses lots of proprietary features known only to its buddy, MS IE. I started out using Composer and soon regretted it. I now use Evrsoft's 1stPage -- http://www.evrsoft.com/1stpage/ -- which is not a WYSIWYG (What You See...) editor. You have to know HTML. But it has lots of built-in tools to help you learn it. -R. Sharen Williams wrote: > Can anyone suggest a good program for setting up websites that is simple to > use (for beginners)? -- Regards, Rod Dav4is / P.O. Box 118 / Hyde Park, NY 12538 / USA Genealogy, et Cetera: http://dav4is.8m.com 279 ancestral & collateral families, mostly 17th-19th century New England, total population: 63,347 Also: http://www.gencircles.com/users/dav4is/

Sharen Williams wrote: > > Can anyone suggest a good program for setting up websites that is simple to > use (for beginners)? Sharen, are you willing to learn some basic HTML? If so, you can use Notepad, which is already on your computer if you use Windows. Check out a few of the beginner's sites, and you'll be building pages in no time! I started with Arachnaphilia, which lets you write your own code, but offers as much helps as you want. Some beginner sites: http://junior.apk.net/~jbarta/tutor/makapage/quik-index.html http://bruce-hamilton.com/tutorials/mailto.html http://hakatai.mcli.dist.maricopa.edu/tut/index.html http://davesite.com/webstation/html/ http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~pasher/ http://jmarshall.com/easy/html/ http://www.useit.com/alertbox/991003.html http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/8297/ http://members.aol.com/eponaworks/celtic.html http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/General/Internet/WWW/HTMLPrimer.html http://www.CyndisList.com/construc.htm Hope this helps, Valorie

Can anyone suggest a good program for setting up websites that is simple to use (for beginners)?

Dreamweaver is excellent, but pricey. I use it and love it. And I am a dummy. At 07:32 PM 12/22/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Can anyone suggest a good program for setting up websites that is simple to >use (for beginners)? > > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

At 12:14 PM 12/22/2001 -0500, Rod Dav4is wrote: > Is this list archived? I can't seem to find it among the >other RW mail list archives. > If it is archived: where? If not: why not? Yep -- it is archived. Look here http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/RootsWeb-Help for the threaded archive. Regards, Elsi

>When testing my new pages, it is /always/ Netscape that wants special >attention, sometimes taking hours to get it to do /something/ like what I >want! And I /do/ stick to the W3C specifications, coding "by hand" using >1stPage. While I would agree with most of what you said, this puzzles me... >My point was: Adherence to the official specifications is no guarantee that >your pages will work in any browser. Even Opera has its faults! (Plenty of >them, too!) A page which validates properly (at <http://validator.w3.org>, for example) should be functional in any browser. It may not look the way you want it to, but its content should be accessible. There wouldn't be any point in adhering to the standards if this were not the case. >And folks are more interested in results than WWW political correctness. I would respectfully suggest that if the desired result is making our information available to as many visitors as possible, then we need to design our pages with that in mind. In practice, that means not obsessing over the fact that your style sheets don't work in Lynx or Netscape 4.x, or WebTV mangles your layout. Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org Schenectady Digital History Archive http://www.schenectadyhistory.org

In a message dated 12/22/01 12:16:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, dav4is@yahoo.com writes: > Is this list archived? I can't seem to find it among the > other RW mail list archives. > If it is archived: where? If not: why not? Rod- I found it right away. For the threaded archive start here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ and type in rootsweb-help as the list name you wish to browse. For the ISearch archive start here: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and type in rootsweb-help as the list you wish to search. Joan

Is this list archived? I can't seem to find it among the other RW mail list archives. If it is archived: where? If not: why not? -R.

Dennis Ahern wrote: > Rod Dav4is <dav4is@yahoo.com> said: > > >browsers! In other words, your pages can be perfectly valid > >and simple html, but one browser or another may fall over > >when confronted by some detail of your html code that > >exposes a bug in the browser code. My experience is that > >Netscape is far and away the absolute /WORST/ browser in > >this regard. It is littered with bugs like a mine-field. > > I would not be so quick to cast aspersions on Netscape. Microsoft is > notorious for non-adherance to HTML standards. There are actually several related problems here: 1. Non-adherance to standards: Proprietary extensions 2. Incomplete implementations: Missing significant portions of the specification 3. Failed implementations: Incorrect actions and just plain bugs When testing my new pages, it is /always/ Netscape that wants special attention, sometimes taking hours to get it to do /something/ like what I want! And I /do/ stick to the W3C specifications, coding "by hand" using 1stPage. My point was: Adherence to the official specifications is no guarantee that your pages will work in any browser. Even Opera has its faults! (Plenty of them, too!) > They build things into > their tools that only work with Internet Explorer. You can't blame the > browser when some cool effect you opted to create using their FrontPage > authoring tool bombs in Netscape. The attraction for the novice to a WYSIWYG editor, like FrontPage or Netscape Composer, is strong, HTML being not particularly simple to use, after all. And folks are more interested in results than WWW political correctness. But even those two (MS & NS) are beginning to understand the long term advantage of conforming to the specifications as they have agreed to do. I suppose that we can forgive them occasionally flexing a muscle to "push" a favorite extension into the specs by using it in their editors, thereby creating a body of users who want it to be "standard". > > Speaking of minimalist browsers, I still use a LYNX browser to check my > pages. When I started creating web pages, I didn't even have a computer, > just a DECmate word processor and a modem. I would log into my UNIX shell > account and use PICO to create and edit my pages. I could test them with > the character-cell LYNX browser, but had to go to a public Library to see > what they looked like in Windows. Even now, I still do all my coding by > hand. When I had to use FrontPage at work to add our department web page > to the corporate server, I still did my code in a text editor, then cut > and pasted it into the FrontPage windows. My history with HTML goes back to its Big Iron antecedents at IBM: DCF and BookMaster. But I'm a recent (4 yrs.) migrant to PC-land. ;o) -R. -- Regards, Rod Dav4is / P.O. Box 118 / Hyde Park, NY 12538 / USA Genealogy, et Cetera: http://dav4is.8m.com 279 ancestral & collateral families, mostly 17th-19th century New England, total population: 63,304 Also: http://www.gencircles.com/users/dav4is/

Rod Dav4is <dav4is@yahoo.com> said: >browsers! In other words, your pages can be perfectly valid >and simple html, but one browser or another may fall over >when confronted by some detail of your html code that >exposes a bug in the browser code. My experience is that >Netscape is far and away the absolute /WORST/ browser in >this regard. It is littered with bugs like a mine-field. I would not be so quick to cast aspersions on Netscape. Microsoft is notorious for non-adherance to HTML standards. They build things into their tools that only work with Internet Explorer. You can't blame the browser when some cool effect you opted to create using their FrontPage authoring tool bombs in Netscape. Speaking of minimalist browsers, I still use a LYNX browser to check my pages. When I started creating web pages, I didn't even have a computer, just a DECmate word processor and a modem. I would log into my UNIX shell account and use PICO to create and edit my pages. I could test them with the character-cell LYNX browser, but had to go to a public Library to see what they looked like in Windows. Even now, I still do all my coding by hand. When I had to use FrontPage at work to add our department web page to the corporate server, I still did my code in a text editor, then cut and pasted it into the FrontPage windows. -dja

> I have taken > over as the Clinton County, KY KYGenWeb County Coordinator, and have redone > the main page of the website. I would appreciate it if some of you > (especially users of older browsers) would check the page and let me know > what you see. (Also include which browser you are using.) > I have found that a little-known minimalist browser called Off-By-One is quite useful for testing such things. Their website: http://www.OffByOne.com It is /FREE/, tiny, supports only HTML 3.2 and no CSS. If it can display your page in a reasonable manner, your chances are good that /most/ visitors will be happy. One caveat: There is no accounting for bugs in other browsers! In other words, your pages can be perfectly valid and simple html, but one browser or another may fall over when confronted by some detail of your html code that exposes a bug in the browser code. My experience is that Netscape is far and away the absolute /WORST/ browser in this regard. It is littered with bugs like a mine-field. -- Regards, Rod Dav4is / P.O. Box 118 / Hyde Park, NY 12538 / USA Genealogy, et Cetera: http://dav4is.8m.com 279 ancestral & collateral families, mostly 17th-19th century New England, total population: 63,261 Also: http://www.gencircles.com/users/dav4is/

http://www.rootsweb.com/~orbaker/test/ 1. Click on Surname List 2. Go to "C" surnames, click on Cranston 3. Choose Herbert B. Cranston 4. Click on "Biography" 5. Go to bottom and click on BGHMU Families link That is where it went wrong. What is the error and what is the correct sequence? W. David Samuelsen

I will try the ones you sent me and let you know if they work the way I want them to work or not. And another question, in lieu of this back button, any idea how to transfer the Bios into the CSS? the database link I am sending to you to look at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~orbaker/database/baker/index.htm the partial Bios database is at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~orbaker/history/index.htm W. David Samuelsen

At 09:46 AM 12/21/2001 -0700, W David Samuelsen wrote: >Do anyone have the html coding for back button/link ?? > >Can't use the back button feature on the browser all the time. > >A simple link back will not work every time I update one set of >database. The file names in database are constantly changing while >another set of database are file-fixed. Server-Side Includes help you out here. There's an enviroment variable called HTTP_REFERER which can be used in your page like this: <.a href="<.!--#echo var="HTTP_REFERER" -->">Return to the previous page<./a> HTTP_REFERER contains the full URL of the page which the viewer was on that had the link to this one. There's also JavaScript which can be used with the history() object in the DOM (both IE and NN support the history() object, the W3C DOM does not). This will have the same effect as pressing the 'back' button on the browser. Regards, Elsi

The back button/link that I prefer is: <form><input type=button value="Return" onClick="history.back();"></form> With angle brackets, hope it makes the journey intact. If not, let me know and I'll try again. Regards, John New Orleans -------------------------------- W David Samuelsen wrote: > > Do anyone have the html coding for back button/link ?? > > Can't use the back button feature on the browser all the time. > > A simple link back will not work every time I update one set of > database. The file names in database are constantly changing while > another set of database are file-fixed. > > W. David Samuelsen > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

You can use this to return to a previous page: <a HREF="Javascript:window.history.back(-1)"><b>Return to previous page</b> and replace text with Back or whatever you want it to say. I've also used bold which you may or may not want. Barbara MSGenWeb Barbara's Bordered Backgrounds http://www.geocities.com/bprest.geo/graphics/bgmenu.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Samuelsen" <dsam@sampubco.com> To: <RootsWeb-Help-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 10:46 AM Subject: [RW-Help] html coding for back button/link? Do anyone have the html coding for back button/link ?? Can't use the back button feature on the browser all the time. A simple link back will not work every time I update one set of database. The file names in database are constantly changing while another set of database are file-fixed. W. David Samuelsen ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Do anyone have the html coding for back button/link ?? Can't use the back button feature on the browser all the time. A simple link back will not work every time I update one set of database. The file names in database are constantly changing while another set of database are file-fixed. W. David Samuelsen

Amy, That is a "hoax" virus warning that made the rounds a few months back (and which is apparently coming around again) to try to get you to delete a Windows utility program that allows your computer to restore long file names. Here is a web site you might want to check out that will provide you with more information on this particular e-mail hoax. http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning.html B. Warner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy C. Jude Keaton" <keaton@flinthills.com> To: <RootsWeb-Help-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:25 PM Subject: [RW-Help] FW: Fw: Delete this virus now! > I received this email from a friend I trust, and followed the > instructions. I did find the file and delete it; although I checked its > properties first and found that the file had not been modified since the > date my computer was initially started up at the factory...very weird; > I'm not sure what all this means...but maybe, if I'm lucky, this is the > weirdo virus that has made my life a living heck for the last two years. > I suggest you check it out. > Sincerely, > Amy Keaton > > > > > This is a serious e-mail. I received an e-mail from a friend this > > > > > morning:of a virus that was passed on to him. His PC was > infected > > > > > > > > > > and since I was in his address book it had probably been spread > to > >my > > > > >computer. > > > > > > > > > > I followed the instructions and located the virus. By following > the > > > > >instructions, I was able to > > > > > > > > > > delete the virus. The bad news is that you probably have it, as > >you > > > > >are in MY address book! > > > > > > > > > > More bad news! is that my anti-virus, recently updated, virus > >program > > > > >did not detect this virus. > > > > > > > > > > This virus lies dormant for 14 days and then kills your hard > drive. > > > > > > > > > > Here is what to do. If you follow the instructions and then see > >that > > > > >you have the virus, > > > > > you need to send a similar e-mail to everyone in your address > book. > > > > > > > > > > Remove the virus by following these steps: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Go to "Start." Then to "Find" or "Search" > > > > > (depending on your computer.) > > > > > 2. In the "Search for files or folders" type > > > > > sulfnbk.exe -- this is the name of the virus. > > > > > 3. In the "Look in" section, make sure you are > > > > > searching Drive C. > > > > > 4. Hit "Search" or "Find." > > > > > 5. If your search finds this file, it will be an ug! ly > > > > > blackish icon that will have the name sulfnbk.exe. > > > > > DO NOT OPEN IT! If it does not show up on your > > > > > first "Search," try a "New Search." > > > > > 6. Right click on the file -- go down to "Delete" and > > > > > left click. > > > > > 7. You will be asked if you want to send the file to > > > > > the Recycling Bin--say "Yes." > > > > > 8. Go to your Desktop (where all your icons are) and > > > > > right click on the Recycle Bin and either manually delete > > > > > the sulfnbk.exe program or empty the entire bin. > > > > > 9. If you found the virus on your system, send this > > > > > or a similar e-mail to all in your address book > > > > > because this is how it is transferred. > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >