This is not an exclusive copyright of Ancestry.com. The copyright not only includes Ancestry.com,its subsidiary CamRon, Inc. but "or third party providers and may be used only in accordance with this limited use license." We are the third party providers and part of that copyright. Norma Michelle Wiggins wrote: > > Does anyone know why Ancestry.com DUPLICATED THE WorldConnect > Project, moved it to Ancestry.com and now states that they OWN THE > COPYRIGHT "as a collective work and/or compilation" ? > > Per Ancestry.com Terms & Conditions located at: > > http://www.ancestry.com/legal/terms.htm > > Ancestry.com states that ALL CONTENT is copyrighted by Ancestry.com > > ======== QUOTED FROM ANCESTRY.COM Terms & Conditions ============== > Ancestry.com contains graphics, information, data, editorial and > other content accessible by any Internet user and similar content > which is accessible only to our subscribing members, (the Content.) > Whether in the free section or in the subscription section of the > Service, all Content is owned and/or copyrighted by MyFamily.com, > Inc., its subsidiary CamRon, Inc , or third party providers and may > be used only in accordance with this limited use license. > Ancestry.com is protected by copyright as a collective work and/or > compilation, pursuant to U.S. copyright laws, international > conventions, and other copyright laws. > ======= END QUOTE OF ANCESTRY.COM Terms & Conditions ============= > > > Michelle > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >

In a message dated 3/27/02 7:02:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, michelle@rootsquest.com writes: > The replies > partially answered my question, but it still doesn't explain why > they merged the info (considering that by merging the data, they in > effect copied info from it's ORIGINAL HOME & republished it on > another site whether it's RW *or* Ancestry). Michelle- RootsWeb and Ancestery are all one company as I'm sure you know--and I'm certain the financial aspects of maintaining two separate but similar sites played a part in the decision to merge AWT and WorldConnect. It benefits users of both sites as all data is searchable in one search now. It is actually a win-win situation for submitters to either site for their databases to be searchable from both Ancestry and RootsWeb. I think your other question is best left for an official answer. Joan

Joan & everyone who replied, Thank you. No one at Ancestry ever answered my email. The replies partially answered my question, but it still doesn't explain why they merged the info (considering that by merging the data, they in effect copied info from it's ORIGINAL HOME & republished it on another site whether it's RW *or* Ancestry). Now, one other question since Ancestry still hasn't answered my email . . . 1) Ancestry's Terms & Conditions state that you don't have to give ANY personal information to use the FREE sections but 2) Ancestry's website refuses to allow me to access the FREE sections unless I sign up for a free account 3) To get a free account, they insist that I give them personal information I don't want a free account. They send me enough spam as it is in their attempt to get me to sign up for their paid services. Thanks, Michelle

Michelle Wiggins wrote: > > Joan & everyone who replied, > > Thank you. No one at Ancestry ever answered my email. The replies > partially answered my question, but it still doesn't explain why > they merged the info (considering that by merging the data, they in > effect copied info from it's ORIGINAL HOME & republished it on > another site whether it's RW *or* Ancestry). That is a matter of semantics. The data was originally on messages boards, and it is now on message boards. That the new program delivering the data allows you to choose more than one color scheme is irrelevant. > Now, one other question since Ancestry still hasn't answered my > email . . . > > 1) Ancestry's Terms & Conditions state that you don't have to give > ANY personal information to use the FREE sections > > but > > 2) Ancestry's website refuses to allow me to access the FREE > sections unless I sign up for a free account What free areas are you attempting to access where you need to be logged in? > 3) To get a free account, they insist that I give them personal > information > > I don't want a free account. They send me enough spam as it is in > their attempt to get me to sign up for their paid services. Let's face facts. Ancestry didn't buy Rootsweb as a Good Deed. They did it because they figured that their outlay of cash would make a decent profit for the investors. If it does NOT make a profit for them, or the entire enterprise isn't profitable, then it will fold or be sold. And then where will (and our data) be? I hate their spamming, and I hate the popups, but I'm in the minority. They WORK, or they wouldn't keep doing them. Rootsweb tried voluntary memberships, and that didn't work. They added banner ads, and THAT wasn't enough to pay the bills, either. Ancestry MUST add another revenue stream..... Memberships, banner ads, popups. The free areas, including Rootsweb, only exist to bring people to the pay areas. That is the practical reality. Websites cost money -- the bigger, the more successful, the more money. Valorie

In a message dated 3/27/02 1:42:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, hendsurn@attbi.com writes: > Several of us have wondered about some action > on the federal level, to make this a no-no, as many older people use the > service, without knowing about the automatic renewal. Jack- Automatic renewals are not illegal and many companies do it. The important thing is that the subscribers be notified that this is policy and reminded prior to the renewal, and Ancestry DOES properly inform subscribers of their policy. Failure to read and comprehend the notices isn't really the fault of the company. Joan

At 26/03/2002 22:32 -0600, Williams wrote: >Is there a code that can be added for unpublishing(or hiding) a site, >so it will not be on internet until I get threw with it? > >thanks. So far I know there isn't a code, but there is a trick ... When I publish a set pages, that must be reviewed by others (submitters, ...), before really go public, then I upload them to a specific directory of the site, called "beta", "test", "change04" or similar. Once all agree, then I upload them on their normal place and delete the previous version. Greetings, Luc Matthijs Evere (Brussels, Belgium) luc.matthijs@advalvas.be

Please Cancel Rootsweb

When I go to the Message boards I get many active X, scripts , cookies and Java and popups I get tired of clicking to see a page , take time when you have all you have all things set to prompt , I dont see a need for all the fancy web writing, it is annoying. We can write a nice website without any of it. I get so many adds I set a filter to del them all Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Henderson" <hendsurn@attbi.com> To: <RootsWeb-Help-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [RW-Help] Stinking Ads on Rootsweb > At 08:18 AM 3/26/02, you wrote: > >If we are airing our pet peeves. I get a little pesky each time Ancestry > >offers me a free trial subscription and then requires my credit card #. I'd > >much rather give out my snail mail address than my credit card #. This > >little request really ticks me off me. They have you subscribe on line. > >But, for security purposes have you cancel by phone. Go figure. > > > >Marla > > Remember that once you subscribe to Ancestry they just re-subscribe you at > the end of the year, with no warning, just charge your credit card, and > take the money to the bank, Several of us have wondered about some action > on the federal level, to make this a no-no, as many older people use the > service, without knowing about the automatic renewal. They then have a bit > of a problem at renew time, when they have a un-expected charge on their > card. Of course thinking of who owns the service, tells it all. > > Shakey Jack > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

In addition to Joan's comment, the terms and conditions say that it's owned by Rootweb OR THIRD PARTY providers (emphasis added). ** Reply to message from RootsWeb-Help-D-request@rootsweb.com on Wed, 27 Mar 2002 04:04:07 -0700 > Does anyone know why Ancestry.com DUPLICATED THE WorldConnect > Project, moved it to Ancestry.com and now states that they OWN THE > COPYRIGHT "as a collective work and/or compilation" ? > > Per Ancestry.com Terms & Conditions located at: > > http://www.ancestry.com/legal/terms.htm > > Ancestry.com states that ALL CONTENT is copyrighted by Ancestry.com > > ======== QUOTED FROM ANCESTRY.COM Terms & Conditions ============== > Ancestry.com contains graphics, information, data, editorial and > other content accessible by any Internet user and similar content > which is accessible only to our subscribing members, (the Content.) > Whether in the free section or in the subscription section of the > Service, all Content is owned and/or copyrighted by MyFamily.com, > Inc., its subsidiary CamRon, Inc , or third party providers and may > be used only in accordance with this limited use license. > Ancestry.com is protected by copyright as a collective work and/or > compilation, pursuant to U.S. copyright laws, international > conventions, and other copyright laws. Lesley Friends don't let friends vote Republican.

At 08:18 AM 3/26/02, you wrote: >If we are airing our pet peeves. I get a little pesky each time Ancestry >offers me a free trial subscription and then requires my credit card #. I'd >much rather give out my snail mail address than my credit card #. This >little request really ticks me off me. They have you subscribe on line. >But, for security purposes have you cancel by phone. Go figure. > >Marla Remember that once you subscribe to Ancestry they just re-subscribe you at the end of the year, with no warning, just charge your credit card, and take the money to the bank, Several of us have wondered about some action on the federal level, to make this a no-no, as many older people use the service, without knowing about the automatic renewal. They then have a bit of a problem at renew time, when they have a un-expected charge on their card. Of course thinking of who owns the service, tells it all. Shakey Jack

Sue is this information on a Board or in the paid section if its on a board its still free Belle ----- Original Message ----- From: "sue" <sueashby@earthlink.net> To: <RootsWeb-Help-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [RW-Help] Ancestry.com > Sorry, list, I replied to Joan when I meant to reply to the list. > Here is a re-post. > > To answer Belle, (& David), the reason I knew I did it, was... my name > was on the posting and that is how the lady contacted me, for more > information. > I feel better now, and appreciate the explanation. I can now, let the > lady know. > Sue > > JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 3/26/02 10:05:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > sueashby@earthlink.net writes: > > > > > I normally just lurk around here but, I read Dennis Ahern's complaint > > > about the SS Death Index and the ads and agree that they are too much. > > > However, I have a complaint about Ancestry.com's posting of wills that I > > > extracted and put on my county page, in the old GenConnect Cluster > > > Boards. > > > I realize that Ancestry is "the" support of rootsweb.com but, it really > > > bothers me that the information that I put online to be used as free > > > data, is now being used in their subscription database. > > > > > > I know that it is on the rootsweb message boards (which incorporated the > > > old GenConnect boards but, unless users know they can access it for > > > free, in rootsweb, they think they are able to get it (only) with their > > > Ancestry.com membership. > > > > > > I thought Ancestry.com weren't supposed to be using our free material as > > > part of their pay program? > > > Does anyone have an explanation for this? Am I being paranoid about > > > this? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Sue Ashby > > > > Sue- > > > > The combined RootsWeb/Ancestry message boards are FREE whether you view them > > from the RootsWeb side or the Ancestry side. They are free to search or to > > post a new message or reply. Not everything at Ancestry is housed in > > subscription databases--there is quite a bit of free data as well--and the > > message boards are within the free area. > > > > Joan > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

In a message dated 3/26/02 11:59:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, michelle@rootsquest.com writes: > Does anyone know why Ancestry.com DUPLICATED THE WorldConnect > Project, moved it to Ancestry.com and now states that they OWN THE > COPYRIGHT "as a collective work and/or compilation" ? Michelle- Ancestry never DUPLICATED WorldConnect--it merged the two separate projects--WorldConnect (on the RootsWeb side) and Ancestry World Tree (on the Ancestry side). The combined product is accessible either from a RootsWeb or Ancestry interface. Compilation copyright doesn't mean that Ancestry is claiming to own submitter databases--it simply means that someone couldn't take all of WorldConnect and legally reproduce it elsewhere without violating Ancestry's compilation copyright for instance. Joan

Does anyone know why Ancestry.com DUPLICATED THE WorldConnect Project, moved it to Ancestry.com and now states that they OWN THE COPYRIGHT "as a collective work and/or compilation" ? Per Ancestry.com Terms & Conditions located at: http://www.ancestry.com/legal/terms.htm Ancestry.com states that ALL CONTENT is copyrighted by Ancestry.com ======== QUOTED FROM ANCESTRY.COM Terms & Conditions ============== Ancestry.com contains graphics, information, data, editorial and other content accessible by any Internet user and similar content which is accessible only to our subscribing members, (the Content.) Whether in the free section or in the subscription section of the Service, all Content is owned and/or copyrighted by MyFamily.com, Inc., its subsidiary CamRon, Inc , or third party providers and may be used only in accordance with this limited use license. Ancestry.com is protected by copyright as a collective work and/or compilation, pursuant to U.S. copyright laws, international conventions, and other copyright laws. =======  END QUOTE OF ANCESTRY.COM Terms & Conditions ============= Michelle -------------------------------------------------------

Sorry, list, I replied to Joan when I meant to reply to the list. Here is a re-post. To answer Belle, (& David), the reason I knew I did it, was... my name was on the posting and that is how the lady contacted me, for more information. I feel better now, and appreciate the explanation. I can now, let the lady know. Sue JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/26/02 10:05:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, > sueashby@earthlink.net writes: > > > I normally just lurk around here but, I read Dennis Ahern's complaint > > about the SS Death Index and the ads and agree that they are too much. > > However, I have a complaint about Ancestry.com's posting of wills that I > > extracted and put on my county page, in the old GenConnect Cluster > > Boards. > > I realize that Ancestry is "the" support of rootsweb.com but, it really > > bothers me that the information that I put online to be used as free > > data, is now being used in their subscription database. > > > > I know that it is on the rootsweb message boards (which incorporated the > > old GenConnect boards but, unless users know they can access it for > > free, in rootsweb, they think they are able to get it (only) with their > > Ancestry.com membership. > > > > I thought Ancestry.com weren't supposed to be using our free material as > > part of their pay program? > > Does anyone have an explanation for this? Am I being paranoid about > > this? > > > > Thanks, > > Sue Ashby > > Sue- > > The combined RootsWeb/Ancestry message boards are FREE whether you view them > from the RootsWeb side or the Ancestry side. They are free to search or to > post a new message or reply. Not everything at Ancestry is housed in > subscription databases--there is quite a bit of free data as well--and the > message boards are within the free area. > > Joan

Is there a code that can be added for unpublishing(or hiding) a site, so it will not be on internet until I get threw with it? thanks.

In a message dated 3/26/02 10:05:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, sueashby@earthlink.net writes: > I normally just lurk around here but, I read Dennis Ahern's complaint > about the SS Death Index and the ads and agree that they are too much. > However, I have a complaint about Ancestry.com's posting of wills that I > extracted and put on my county page, in the old GenConnect Cluster > Boards. > I realize that Ancestry is "the" support of rootsweb.com but, it really > bothers me that the information that I put online to be used as free > data, is now being used in their subscription database. > > I know that it is on the rootsweb message boards (which incorporated the > old GenConnect boards but, unless users know they can access it for > free, in rootsweb, they think they are able to get it (only) with their > Ancestry.com membership. > > I thought Ancestry.com weren't supposed to be using our free material as > part of their pay program? > Does anyone have an explanation for this? Am I being paranoid about > this? > > Thanks, > Sue Ashby Sue- The combined RootsWeb/Ancestry message boards are FREE whether you view them from the RootsWeb side or the Ancestry side. They are free to search or to post a new message or reply. Not everything at Ancestry is housed in subscription databases--there is quite a bit of free data as well--and the message boards are within the free area. Joan

I thought one of the promises that was made was our work would not be made part of Ancestry's price how can you be sure it is the same abstracts and not one someone else for ancestry did , <just curios> Belle ----- Original Message ----- From: "sue" <sueashby@earthlink.net> To: <RootsWeb-Help-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 9:02 PM Subject: [RW-Help] Ancestry.com > Hi, > I normally just lurk around here but, I read Dennis Ahern's complaint > about the SS Death Index and the ads and agree that they are too much. > However, I have a complaint about Ancestry.com's posting of wills that I > extracted and put on my county page, in the old GenConnect Cluster > Boards. > I realize that Ancestry is "the" support of rootsweb.com but, it really > bothers me that the information that I put online to be used as free > data, is now being used in their subscription database. > > I know that it is on the rootsweb message boards (which incorporated the > old GenConnect boards but, unless users know they can access it for > free, in rootsweb, they think they are able to get it (only) with their > Ancestry.com membership. > > I thought Ancestry.com weren't supposed to be using our free material as > part of their pay program? > Does anyone have an explanation for this? Am I being paranoid about > this? > > Thanks, > Sue Ashby > http://www.rootsweb.com/~txllano/ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncmoore/ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncchatha/chatham.htm > NCWAKE-L@rootsweb.com > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi, I normally just lurk around here but, I read Dennis Ahern's complaint about the SS Death Index and the ads and agree that they are too much. However, I have a complaint about Ancestry.com's posting of wills that I extracted and put on my county page, in the old GenConnect Cluster Boards. I realize that Ancestry is "the" support of rootsweb.com but, it really bothers me that the information that I put online to be used as free data, is now being used in their subscription database. I know that it is on the rootsweb message boards (which incorporated the old GenConnect boards but, unless users know they can access it for free, in rootsweb, they think they are able to get it (only) with their Ancestry.com membership. I thought Ancestry.com weren't supposed to be using our free material as part of their pay program? Does anyone have an explanation for this? Am I being paranoid about this? Thanks, Sue Ashby http://www.rootsweb.com/~txllano/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncmoore/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncchatha/chatham.htm NCWAKE-L@rootsweb.com

In a message dated 3/26/02 6:50:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, JohnF14246@aol.com writes: > A teeny note of caution to AOL subscribers and I imagine many others who do > not use a stand-alone browser. Many (maybe all?) of the pop-up killers > require you to reconfigure your browser a bit which you probably can't do if > > your browser is provided by your ISP. Before you install a pop-up killer, be > > sure to carefully read the information that comes with it or is provided on > the website. I know of a couple of AOL subscribers who installed a *great* > pop-up killer without checking on its compatibility with AOL ... it wasn't > compatible, messed up their system royally, and necessitated reinstalling > AOL. > John- That's one reason I never tried them. However, the pop-ups themselves have been known to play havoc with the AOL browser also. :( Joan

Accounts at Rootsweb so far don't ask for snail-mail but if go to Ancestry for Guest account...have to fill in Can use Rootsweb account at Ancestry... ...it's really an Ancestry guest account (with most fields blank) On sites that require your name/address/e-mail to do something... If you don't want to "register" but want in... Try putting a "." (period) in name/address fields and ABUSE@thier_domain.name for e-mail (so they get their spam) ==== Ta'member the 19(not 18)60's? -->Power to the people! *