HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Joan, I checked more of them and they're all different EXCEPT for the first 3 lines - the unknown user. Here's another one. I receive this bounce every time anyone posts to the list and it's been going on for many months. Nel ------------------------- Unknown user: [email protected] RCPT TO generated following response: 550 Invalid recipient: <[email protected]> Original message follows. Received: from SMTP32-FWD by mail1.myexcel.com (SMTP32) id AA75401750000EF4B; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:55:32 -0600 Received: from excelrelay.ispnetbilling.com [216.126.204.51] by mail1.myexcel.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.22) id A75408BC; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:55:32 -0600 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod6mx231.postini.com [64.18.1.131]) by excelrelay.ispnetbilling.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CD698180713 for <[email protected]>; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:55:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from source ([66.43.27.40]) by exprod6mx231.postini.com ([64.18.5.10]) with SMTP; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:55:31 EDT Received: from lists3.rootsweb.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists3.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2RDtQvm002639 for <[email protected]>; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:55:30 -0600 Received: from mail3.rootsweb.com (mail3.rootsweb.com [192.168.65.46]) by lists3.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2RDtPdN002631 for <[email protected]>; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:55:25 -0600 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.65.34]) by mail3.rootsweb.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2RDtGdx021240 for <[email protected]>; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:55:16 -0600 Received: from blu139-omc1-s9.blu139.hotmail.com (blu139-omc1-s9.blu139.hotmail.com [65.55.175.149]) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2RDserW031696 for <[email protected]>; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:55:15 -0600 Received: from BLU116-W43 ([65.55.162.183]) by blu139-omc1-s9.blu139.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:54:36 -0700 Message-ID: <[email protected]> X-Originating-IP: [24.158.104.49] From: james garrett <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:54:36 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2008 13:54:36.0494 (UTC) [message truncated]
What I did on my sites was to put the new url in my name. They can't email me unless they go to the new site. Wanda Qualls ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 11:27 AM Subject: ROOTSWEB-HELP Digest, Vol 3, Issue 24 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. URLs (Tim Stowell) > 2. Re: URLs (Linda Haas Davenport) > 3. Re: URLs ([email protected]) > 4. Re: URLs ([email protected]) > 5. Re: URLs (Gloria Lane) > 6. Re: URLs (Jim Rickenbacker(3)) > 7. Re: URLs ([email protected]) > 8. Re: URLs ([email protected]) > 9. Re: URLs (Jeff Owens) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:36:59 -0400 > From: Tim Stowell <[email protected]> > Subject: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URLs > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > I wasn't sure what to put for a subject line so - > > my question is what happens to the URLs for USGenWeb and/or other > folks who leave Rootsweb? > > Do those URLs become available for someone else to adopt who may / > may not be associated with USGenWeb? > > Tim Stowell > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:36:21 -0500 > From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URLs > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I put up an index page - identical to what was there - but the > links go to the new site. > > Linda Haas Davenport > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Stowell" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:36 AM > Subject: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URLs > > > |I wasn't sure what to put for a subject line so - > | > | my question is what happens to the URLs for USGenWeb and/or > other > | folks who leave Rootsweb? > | > | Do those URLs become available for someone else to adopt who > may / > | may not be associated with USGenWeb? > | > | Tim Stowell > | > | > | ------------------------------- > | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > | > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:50:32 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URLs > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Linda- > > This would seem to be a violation of RootsWeb's rules--because you would > merely be providing a redirect to a site OFF RootsWeb where your page > content is > stored. Eventually, this will be caught and the redirects deleted by > RootsWeb. > > To answer Tim's question, RootsWeb would allow some time in case the > account > holder wishes to return or changes their minds but, in time--maybe a few > weeks or months--the URLs would be available to anyone who wishes to > create a > county, state, etc. website at RootsWeb either as a private site or one > connected to a different project. From what I've seen thus far, there are > people > waiting to grab those URLs and put them to good use. > > Joan > -------------------- > > I put up an index page - identical to what was there - but the > links go to the new site. > > Linda Haas Davenport > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Stowell" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:36 AM > Subject: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URLs > > > |I wasn't sure what to put for a subject line so - > | > | my question is what happens to the URLs for USGenWeb and/or > other > | folks who leave Rootsweb? > | > | Do those URLs become available for someone else to adopt who > may / > | may not be associated with USGenWeb? > | > | Tim Stowell > | > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:59:06 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URLs > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I should have added to my statement below -- that this still wouldn't > prevent a USGW CC from returning to RootsWeb and re-establishing a > county/state > website there if they later decided to do so. But if the URL/account name > they > previously used is taken by someone else if/when the person returns, a > new URL > would be created for the new account...for example, it might become > ~countypage2 instead of just ~countypage. > > Joan > ----------------------- > > To answer Tim's question, RootsWeb would allow some time in case the > account > holder wishes to return or changes their minds but, in time--maybe a few > weeks or months--the URLs would be available to anyone who wishes to > create > a > county, state, etc. website at RootsWeb either as a private site or one > connected to a different project. From what I've seen thus far, there > are > people > waiting to grab those URLs and put them to good use. > > Joan > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:20:21 -0500 > From: Gloria Lane <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URLs > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > So you're saying that Rootsweb requires that a site have no links > leading off the Rootsweb site? That's kind of surprising... > > Gloria > > > > On Mar 29, 2008, at 8:50 AM, [email protected] wrote: >> Linda- >> >> This would seem to be a violation of RootsWeb's rules--because you >> would >> merely be providing a redirect to a site OFF RootsWeb where your >> page content is >> stored. Eventually, this will be caught and the redirects deleted by >> RootsWeb. >> >> To answer Tim's question, RootsWeb would allow some time in case >> the account >> holder wishes to return or changes their minds but, in time--maybe a >> few >> weeks or months--the URLs would be available to anyone who wishes to >> create a >> county, state, etc. website at RootsWeb either as a private site or >> one >> connected to a different project. From what I've seen thus far, >> there are people >> waiting to grab those URLs and put them to good use. >> >> Joan >> -------------------- >> >> I put up an index page - identical to what was there - but the >> links go to the new site. >> >> Linda Haas Davenport >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tim Stowell" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:36 AM >> Subject: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URLs >> >> >> |I wasn't sure what to put for a subject line so - >> | >> | my question is what happens to the URLs for USGenWeb and/or >> other >> | folks who leave Rootsweb? >> | >> | Do those URLs become available for someone else to adopt who >> may / >> | may not be associated with USGenWeb? >> | >> | Tim Stowell >> | >> >> >> >> >> **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video >> on AOL >> Home. >> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001 >> ) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:00:47 -0500 > From: "Jim Rickenbacker\(3\)" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URLs > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > A redirect page is usually considered to be one that uses a header line > such > as: > <meta http-equiv="REFRESH" content="0;url=[the new page URL]"> to > automatically redirect a browser to a new URL. Hosting an index page on > RootsWeb whose links point elsewhere would seem to be OK per RootsWeb's > Web > Space Agreement. > http://accounts.rootsweb.com/index.cgi?op=show&page=geoagree.htm > > Jim Rickenbacker > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:50 AM > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URLs > > >> Linda- >> >> This would seem to be a violation of RootsWeb's rules--because you would >> merely be providing a redirect to a site OFF RootsWeb where your page >> content is >> stored. Eventually, this will be caught and the redirects deleted by >> RootsWeb. >> >> To answer Tim's question, RootsWeb would allow some time in case the >> account >> holder wishes to return or changes their minds but, in time--maybe a few >> weeks or months--the URLs would be available to anyone who wishes to >> create a >> county, state, etc. website at RootsWeb either as a private site or one >> connected to a different project. From what I've seen thus far, there >> are >> people >> waiting to grab those URLs and put them to good use. >> >> Joan >> -------------------- >> >> I put up an index page - identical to what was there - but the >> links go to the new site. >> >> Linda Haas Davenport >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tim Stowell" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:36 AM >> Subject: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URLs >> >> >> |I wasn't sure what to put for a subject line so - >> | >> | my question is what happens to the URLs for USGenWeb and/or >> other >> | folks who leave Rootsweb? >> | >> | Do those URLs become available for someone else to adopt who >> may / >> | may not be associated with USGenWeb? >> | >> | Tim Stowell >> | >> >> >> >> >> **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL >> Home. >> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:43:10 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URLs > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Gloria- > > NO--that isn't what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that RootsWeb doesn't > allow sites with NO DATA on RootsWeb--that are merely being used as > placeholders > to link to sites with ALL the data maintained at a site OFF RootsWeb. > > Joan > --------------------- > > So you're saying that Rootsweb requires that a site have no links > leading off the Rootsweb site? That's kind of surprising... > > Gloria > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:09:12 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URLs > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Jim- > > I don't believe you are correct in your interpretation of how RootsWeb > views > a "redirect." I quote here from RootsWeb's rules on maintaining a website > at > RootsWeb: > > "Please don't use your RootsWeb space as a "dump" for material that won't > fit on your main site elsewhere. Such practices can create a serious > support > problem for RootsWeb -- it is difficult to know if the site is still > active, > people accessing the site with an incomplete URL don't know where to > start, etc. > If you must split your site between RootsWeb and another server elsewhere, > please maintain a main page on RootsWeb, preferably an index.htm or > index.html, that provides access to the material hosted in the RootsWeb > account, and > links to your main page elsewhere. In addition, do not use RootsWeb space > for a > redirect page." > > The key words above are: "...that provides access to the material hosted > in > the RootsWeb account," so the assumption is definitely that there will be > MATERIAL included in your Rootsweb account/webspace--not just a TOC page. > > I'm pretty sure the RootsWeb spider that is seeking out these "moved" > websites is programmed to find instances where only an index page and > nothing else > is found in the account. > > Joan > > ------------------------------------------------- > A redirect page is usually considered to be one that uses a header line > such > as: > <meta http-equiv="REFRESH" content="0;url=[the new page URL]"> to > automatically redirect a browser to a new URL. Hosting an index page on > RootsWeb whose links point elsewhere would seem to be OK per RootsWeb's > Web > Space Agreement. > http://accounts.rootsweb.com/index.cgi?op=show&page=geoagree.htm > > Jim Rickenbacker > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:26:58 -0400 > From: Jeff Owens <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URLs > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I think that there is some misinterpretation about what is meant by > "dump" material, not the language on redirects. These are two different > aspects entirely. > > Dumping refers to the storage of pages which are not linked, or branched > to, from the initial page of the site, i.e. index.html. > > "Redirect" means exactly what Jim has stated in the common terms of the > internet. However, the nearly same function could be accomplished if > all that exists on the initial page is a url to another site, a > 'non-automatic redirect', if you will. > > If there is an official policy relating to the latter then it is not > addressed specifically in the terminology of the current rules. The > hair being split here relates to the web site content ,or extent, or > lack of extent, of actual material being stored on any particular account. > > As a clarification, in my observation, there is nothing limiting the > placement of url's anywhere on Rootsweb sites that take you to other > non-Rootsweb sites. > > JMHO, ----suggest 'from the top-down' communication on the matter. > Jeff Owens > > [email protected] wrote: >> Jim- >> >> I don't believe you are correct in your interpretation of how RootsWeb >> views >> a "redirect." I quote here from RootsWeb's rules on maintaining a >> website at >> RootsWeb: >> >> "Please don't use your RootsWeb space as a "dump" for material that won't >> fit on your main site elsewhere. Such practices can create a serious >> support >> problem for RootsWeb -- it is difficult to know if the site is still >> active, >> people accessing the site with an incomplete URL don't know where to >> start, etc. >> If you must split your site between RootsWeb and another server >> elsewhere, >> please maintain a main page on RootsWeb, preferably an index.htm or >> index.html, that provides access to the material hosted in the RootsWeb >> account, and >> links to your main page elsewhere. In addition, do not use RootsWeb >> space for a >> redirect page." >> >> The key words above are: "...that provides access to the material >> hosted in >> the RootsWeb account," so the assumption is definitely that there will >> be >> MATERIAL included in your Rootsweb account/webspace--not just a TOC >> page. >> >> I'm pretty sure the RootsWeb spider that is seeking out these "moved" >> websites is programmed to find instances where only an index page and >> nothing else >> is found in the account. >> >> Joan >> >> ------------------------------------------------- >> A redirect page is usually considered to be one that uses a header line >> such >> as: >> <meta http-equiv="REFRESH" content="0;url=[the new page URL]"> to >> automatically redirect a browser to a new URL. Hosting an index page on >> RootsWeb whose links point elsewhere would seem to be OK per RootsWeb's >> Web >> Space Agreement. >> http://accounts.rootsweb.com/index.cgi?op=show&page=geoagree.htm >> >> Jim Rickenbacker >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ROOTSWEB-HELP list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the ROOTSWEB-HELP mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ROOTSWEB-HELP Digest, Vol 3, Issue 24 > ******************************************** >
HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Joan, This is what is in the attachment on the "Uncaught bounce notification" msg I receive. There is no ERROR line in it. Nel --------------------- Unknown user: [email protected] RCPT TO generated following response: 550 Invalid recipient: <[email protected]> Original message follows. Received: from SMTP32-FWD by mail1.myexcel.com (SMTP32) id AC98503940000E7BD; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:45:58 -0600 Received: from excelrelay.ispnetbilling.com [216.126.204.51] by mail1.myexcel.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.22) id A9850F8C; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:45:57 -0600 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod6mx235.postini.com [64.18.1.135]) by excelrelay.ispnetbilling.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 94FF81812A5 for <[email protected]>; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:45:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from source ([66.43.27.40]) by exprod6mx235.postini.com ([64.18.5.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:45:56 CDT Received: from lists3.rootsweb.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists3.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2T4jpko005134 for <[email protected]>; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:45:55 -0600 Received: from mail3.rootsweb.com (mail3.rootsweb.com [192.168.65.46]) by lists3.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2T4joEZ005128 for <[email protected]>; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:45:50 -0600 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.65.34]) by mail3.rootsweb.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m2T4jfO7020694 for <[email protected]>; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:45:41 -0600 Received: from n75.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (n75.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [98.136.44.51]) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with SMTP id m2T4j68D021289 for <[email protected]>; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:45:41 -0600 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n75.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 04:44:58 -0000 Received: from [69.147.65.156] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 04:44:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 04:44:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: [email protected] Received: (qmail 95855 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Mar 2008 04:44:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2A5Lu60VM1n70bjHUnDTww9VF_XxuTg2j__hxDxRsTE4FYqs8XRw6vHRN4hEa9UXIgvp_ydb.Q4CWBijfIOl8WvTpLNtrAlWXi9y Received: from [75.8.104.253] by web45004.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; [message truncated]
It shouldn't take longer than a few weeks...I'd try REREQUESTING the list and if you don't get a response within a couple weeks contact RootsWeb's listmaster: [email protected] . Joan ------------------------------ I've been with Rootsweb, since 1996, it has been a great place to volunteer, lots of helpful people and committed to "free" genealogy. However, it seems something is broke, my friend and I have been trying since Dec. '07 to get a mail list, so far nothing. It's always been my experience that it takes no longer than a week at most to get one approved or disapproved. This is a genealogy only list we seek, and need an answer so we can move ahead or move on. I don't know what the hold up is, but it does bother me that things are not being taken care of in a timely manner anymore. It is just me or has anyone else had problems along this line? kay **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)
Jeff- I believe it IS covered in the wording I referenced previously--but if you have a question about it you can always get an OFFICIAL ruling from the RootsWeb HelpDesk. Joan ----------------------------------- If there is an official policy relating to the latter then it is not addressed specifically in the terminology of the current rules. The hair being split here relates to the web site content ,or extent, or lack of extent, of actual material being stored on any particular account. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)
Linda- RootsWeb most definitely EXISTS. Joan --------------------------- <sigh> Joan. I really don't care. You continue to beat a dead horse to death. RootsWeb no longer exists. And, I very much doubt that TNG gives a flying rip about my small sites. Linda Haas Davenport **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)
Maybe in your book Joan, but in mine. Let's see ... RootsWeb has no employees, no servers, no support staff, no help desk, no URL, not even a name of its own anymore. Yes, I think it's pretty safe to consider it dead. Dead means to no longer exist. I know that you will defend RW against the world, even when you're tilting at windmills, and that's certainly your choice - just don't ask me to agree with you. Oh and by the way - the name is rootsweb.ancestry so you might start using that in your defenses since you will at least be defending something that DOES exist. Linda Haas Davenport ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URLs | Linda- | | RootsWeb most definitely EXISTS. | | Joan | --------------------------- | | <sigh> Joan. I really don't care. You continue to beat a dead | horse to death. RootsWeb no longer exists. And, I very much | doubt that TNG gives a flying rip about my small sites. | | Linda Haas Davenport | | | | | **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL | Home. | (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message |
Kay the RootsWeb person in charge of assigning new mail lists is long gone. You might go to this address: http://resources.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listrequest.pl and put in a new request. Linda Haas Davenport ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URL's & other things | Joan, I've already done that. Still no response. | | kay | | > -----Original Message----- | > From: [email protected] [mailto:rootsweb-help- | > [email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] | > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 11:44 AM | > To: [email protected] | > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URL's & other things | > | > It shouldn't take longer than a few weeks...I'd try REREQUESTING the list | > and if you don't get a response within a couple weeks contact RootsWeb's | > listmaster: [email protected] . | > | > Joan | > ------------------------------ | > | > I've been with Rootsweb, since 1996, it has been a great place to | volunteer, | > lots of helpful people and committed to "free" genealogy. However, it | seems | > something is broke, my friend and I have been trying since Dec. '07 to | get a | > mail list, so far nothing. | > | > It's always been my experience that it takes no longer than a week at | most | > to get one approved or disapproved. This is a genealogy only list we | seek, | > and need an answer so we can move ahead or move on. | > | > I don't know what the hold up is, but it does bother me that things are | not | > being taken care of in a timely manner anymore. | > | > It is just me or has anyone else had problems along this line? | > | > kay | > | > | > | > | > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL | > Home. | > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric- | > stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) | > | > ------------------------------- | > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP- | > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the | > subject and the body of the message | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message |
I think that there is some misinterpretation about what is meant by "dump" material, not the language on redirects. These are two different aspects entirely. Dumping refers to the storage of pages which are not linked, or branched to, from the initial page of the site, i.e. index.html. "Redirect" means exactly what Jim has stated in the common terms of the internet. However, the nearly same function could be accomplished if all that exists on the initial page is a url to another site, a 'non-automatic redirect', if you will. If there is an official policy relating to the latter then it is not addressed specifically in the terminology of the current rules. The hair being split here relates to the web site content ,or extent, or lack of extent, of actual material being stored on any particular account. As a clarification, in my observation, there is nothing limiting the placement of url's anywhere on Rootsweb sites that take you to other non-Rootsweb sites. JMHO, ----suggest 'from the top-down' communication on the matter. Jeff Owens [email protected] wrote: > Jim- > > I don't believe you are correct in your interpretation of how RootsWeb views > a "redirect." I quote here from RootsWeb's rules on maintaining a website at > RootsWeb: > > "Please don't use your RootsWeb space as a "dump" for material that won't > fit on your main site elsewhere. Such practices can create a serious support > problem for RootsWeb -- it is difficult to know if the site is still active, > people accessing the site with an incomplete URL don't know where to start, etc. > If you must split your site between RootsWeb and another server elsewhere, > please maintain a main page on RootsWeb, preferably an index.htm or > index.html, that provides access to the material hosted in the RootsWeb account, and > links to your main page elsewhere. In addition, do not use RootsWeb space for a > redirect page." > > The key words above are: "...that provides access to the material hosted in > the RootsWeb account," so the assumption is definitely that there will be > MATERIAL included in your Rootsweb account/webspace--not just a TOC page. > > I'm pretty sure the RootsWeb spider that is seeking out these "moved" > websites is programmed to find instances where only an index page and nothing else > is found in the account. > > Joan > > ------------------------------------------------- > A redirect page is usually considered to be one that uses a header line such > as: > <meta http-equiv="REFRESH" content="0;url=[the new page URL]"> to > automatically redirect a browser to a new URL. Hosting an index page on > RootsWeb whose links point elsewhere would seem to be OK per RootsWeb's Web > Space Agreement. > http://accounts.rootsweb.com/index.cgi?op=show&page=geoagree.htm > > Jim Rickenbacker > > > > > > > >
Ah, but Joan - there is no help desk. It went bye bye with the staff. Linda Haas Davenport ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URLs | Jeff- | | I believe it IS covered in the wording I referenced previously--but if you | have a question about it you can always get an OFFICIAL ruling from the | RootsWeb HelpDesk. | | Joan | ----------------------------------- | | If there is an official policy relating to the latter then it is not | addressed specifically in the terminology of the current rules. The | hair being split here relates to the web site content ,or extent, or | lack of extent, of actual material being stored on any particular account. | | | | | **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL | Home. | (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message |
HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood Tim wrote: Have you joined the listowners list and asked your question there? Tim, My problem is a bounce msg for an addy that is not subbed to my list. This same "wild" addy appeared a few years ago causing the same problem and RW had to do their thing to get it removed/fixed for me. Nel
Jim- I don't believe you are correct in your interpretation of how RootsWeb views a "redirect." I quote here from RootsWeb's rules on maintaining a website at RootsWeb: "Please don't use your RootsWeb space as a "dump" for material that won't fit on your main site elsewhere. Such practices can create a serious support problem for RootsWeb -- it is difficult to know if the site is still active, people accessing the site with an incomplete URL don't know where to start, etc. If you must split your site between RootsWeb and another server elsewhere, please maintain a main page on RootsWeb, preferably an index.htm or index.html, that provides access to the material hosted in the RootsWeb account, and links to your main page elsewhere. In addition, do not use RootsWeb space for a redirect page." The key words above are: "...that provides access to the material hosted in the RootsWeb account," so the assumption is definitely that there will be MATERIAL included in your Rootsweb account/webspace--not just a TOC page. I'm pretty sure the RootsWeb spider that is seeking out these "moved" websites is programmed to find instances where only an index page and nothing else is found in the account. Joan ------------------------------------------------- A redirect page is usually considered to be one that uses a header line such as: <meta http-equiv="REFRESH" content="0;url=[the new page URL]"> to automatically redirect a browser to a new URL. Hosting an index page on RootsWeb whose links point elsewhere would seem to be OK per RootsWeb's Web Space Agreement. http://accounts.rootsweb.com/index.cgi?op=show&page=geoagree.htm Jim Rickenbacker **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)
Joan, I've already done that. Still no response. kay > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:rootsweb-help- > [email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 11:44 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URL's & other things > > It shouldn't take longer than a few weeks...I'd try REREQUESTING the list > and if you don't get a response within a couple weeks contact RootsWeb's > listmaster: [email protected] . > > Joan > ------------------------------ > > I've been with Rootsweb, since 1996, it has been a great place to volunteer, > lots of helpful people and committed to "free" genealogy. However, it seems > something is broke, my friend and I have been trying since Dec. '07 to get a > mail list, so far nothing. > > It's always been my experience that it takes no longer than a week at most > to get one approved or disapproved. This is a genealogy only list we seek, > and need an answer so we can move ahead or move on. > > I don't know what the hold up is, but it does bother me that things are not > being taken care of in a timely manner anymore. > > It is just me or has anyone else had problems along this line? > > kay > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric- > stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message
Gloria- NO--that isn't what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that RootsWeb doesn't allow sites with NO DATA on RootsWeb--that are merely being used as placeholders to link to sites with ALL the data maintained at a site OFF RootsWeb. Joan --------------------- So you're saying that Rootsweb requires that a site have no links leading off the Rootsweb site? That's kind of surprising... Gloria **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)
I've been with Rootsweb, since 1996, it has been a great place to volunteer, lots of helpful people and committed to "free" genealogy. However, it seems something is broke, my friend and I have been trying since Dec. '07 to get a mail list, so far nothing. It's always been my experience that it takes no longer than a week at most to get one approved or disapproved. This is a genealogy only list we seek, and need an answer so we can move ahead or move on. I don't know what the hold up is, but it does bother me that things are not being taken care of in a timely manner anymore. It is just me or has anyone else had problems along this line? kay > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:rootsweb-help- > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff Owens > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 11:27 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URLs > > I think that there is some misinterpretation about what is meant by > "dump" material, not the language on redirects. These are two different > aspects entirely. > > Dumping refers to the storage of pages which are not linked, or branched > to, from the initial page of the site, i.e. index.html. > > "Redirect" means exactly what Jim has stated in the common terms of the > internet. However, the nearly same function could be accomplished if > all that exists on the initial page is a url to another site, a > 'non-automatic redirect', if you will. > > If there is an official policy relating to the latter then it is not > addressed specifically in the terminology of the current rules. The > hair being split here relates to the web site content ,or extent, or > lack of extent, of actual material being stored on any particular account. > > As a clarification, in my observation, there is nothing limiting the > placement of url's anywhere on Rootsweb sites that take you to other > non-Rootsweb sites. > > JMHO, ----suggest 'from the top-down' communication on the matter. > Jeff Owens > > [email protected] wrote: > > Jim- > > > > I don't believe you are correct in your interpretation of how RootsWeb views > > a "redirect." I quote here from RootsWeb's rules on maintaining a website at > > RootsWeb: > > > > "Please don't use your RootsWeb space as a "dump" for material that won't > > fit on your main site elsewhere. Such practices can create a serious support > > problem for RootsWeb -- it is difficult to know if the site is still active, > > people accessing the site with an incomplete URL don't know where to start, > etc. > > If you must split your site between RootsWeb and another server elsewhere, > > please maintain a main page on RootsWeb, preferably an index.htm or > > index.html, that provides access to the material hosted in the RootsWeb > account, and > > links to your main page elsewhere. In addition, do not use RootsWeb space for > a > > redirect page." > > > > The key words above are: "...that provides access to the material hosted in > > the RootsWeb account," so the assumption is definitely that there will be > > MATERIAL included in your Rootsweb account/webspace--not just a TOC > page. > > > > I'm pretty sure the RootsWeb spider that is seeking out these "moved" > > websites is programmed to find instances where only an index page and > nothing else > > is found in the account. > > > > Joan > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > A redirect page is usually considered to be one that uses a header line such > > as: > > <meta http-equiv="REFRESH" content="0;url=[the new page URL]"> to > > automatically redirect a browser to a new URL. Hosting an index page on > > RootsWeb whose links point elsewhere would seem to be OK per RootsWeb's > Web > > Space Agreement. > > http://accounts.rootsweb.com/index.cgi?op=show&page=geoagree.htm > > > > Jim Rickenbacker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message
<sigh> Joan. I really don't care. You continue to beat a dead horse to death. RootsWeb no longer exists. And, I very much doubt that TNG gives a flying rip about my small sites. Linda Haas Davenport ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URLs | Linda- | | This would seem to be a violation of RootsWeb's rules--because you would | merely be providing a redirect to a site OFF RootsWeb where your page content is | stored. Eventually, this will be caught and the redirects deleted by | RootsWeb. | | To answer Tim's question, RootsWeb would allow some time in case the account | holder wishes to return or changes their minds but, in time--maybe a few | weeks or months--the URLs would be available to anyone who wishes to create a | county, state, etc. website at RootsWeb either as a private site or one | connected to a different project. From what I've seen thus far, there are people | waiting to grab those URLs and put them to good use. | | Joan | -------------------- | | I put up an index page - identical to what was there - but the | links go to the new site. | | Linda Haas Davenport | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Tim Stowell" <[email protected]> | To: <[email protected]> | Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:36 AM | Subject: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URLs | | ||I wasn't sure what to put for a subject line so - || || my question is what happens to the URLs for USGenWeb and/or | other || folks who leave Rootsweb? || || Do those URLs become available for someone else to adopt who | may / || may not be associated with USGenWeb? || || Tim Stowell || | | | | | **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL | Home. | (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message |
HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood I've had the same problem as Kay. Sent 2 msgs a month apart regarding an email problem on my list and have had no response to either. It's over 2 months now......... Nel
A redirect page is usually considered to be one that uses a header line such as: <meta http-equiv="REFRESH" content="0;url=[the new page URL]"> to automatically redirect a browser to a new URL. Hosting an index page on RootsWeb whose links point elsewhere would seem to be OK per RootsWeb's Web Space Agreement. http://accounts.rootsweb.com/index.cgi?op=show&page=geoagree.htm Jim Rickenbacker ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URLs > Linda- > > This would seem to be a violation of RootsWeb's rules--because you would > merely be providing a redirect to a site OFF RootsWeb where your page > content is > stored. Eventually, this will be caught and the redirects deleted by > RootsWeb. > > To answer Tim's question, RootsWeb would allow some time in case the > account > holder wishes to return or changes their minds but, in time--maybe a few > weeks or months--the URLs would be available to anyone who wishes to > create a > county, state, etc. website at RootsWeb either as a private site or one > connected to a different project. From what I've seen thus far, there are > people > waiting to grab those URLs and put them to good use. > > Joan > -------------------- > > I put up an index page - identical to what was there - but the > links go to the new site. > > Linda Haas Davenport > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Stowell" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:36 AM > Subject: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URLs > > > |I wasn't sure what to put for a subject line so - > | > | my question is what happens to the URLs for USGenWeb and/or > other > | folks who leave Rootsweb? > | > | Do those URLs become available for someone else to adopt who > may / > | may not be associated with USGenWeb? > | > | Tim Stowell > | > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
I should have added to my statement below -- that this still wouldn't prevent a USGW CC from returning to RootsWeb and re-establishing a county/state website there if they later decided to do so. But if the URL/account name they previously used is taken by someone else if/when the person returns, a new URL would be created for the new account...for example, it might become ~countypage2 instead of just ~countypage. Joan ----------------------- To answer Tim's question, RootsWeb would allow some time in case the account holder wishes to return or changes their minds but, in time--maybe a few weeks or months--the URLs would be available to anyone who wishes to create a county, state, etc. website at RootsWeb either as a private site or one connected to a different project. From what I've seen thus far, there are people waiting to grab those URLs and put them to good use. Joan **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)
Linda- This would seem to be a violation of RootsWeb's rules--because you would merely be providing a redirect to a site OFF RootsWeb where your page content is stored. Eventually, this will be caught and the redirects deleted by RootsWeb. To answer Tim's question, RootsWeb would allow some time in case the account holder wishes to return or changes their minds but, in time--maybe a few weeks or months--the URLs would be available to anyone who wishes to create a county, state, etc. website at RootsWeb either as a private site or one connected to a different project. From what I've seen thus far, there are people waiting to grab those URLs and put them to good use. Joan -------------------- I put up an index page - identical to what was there - but the links go to the new site. Linda Haas Davenport ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Stowell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:36 AM Subject: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URLs |I wasn't sure what to put for a subject line so - | | my question is what happens to the URLs for USGenWeb and/or other | folks who leave Rootsweb? | | Do those URLs become available for someone else to adopt who may / | may not be associated with USGenWeb? | | Tim Stowell | **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)