Judy- Read the RootsWeb AUP (click on the link at the bottom of any RootsWeb page) --note the section that explains the treatment of User Provided Content. That should answer your question #1. Also read the newsroom announcements that I linked to in my previous post--which clearly explains that RootsWeb will continue to be a free service as always (your webpage content is not suddenly going to become a part of any subscription service). I think this is the best way for you to answer your own questions rather than listening to what anyone interprets policy to be for you. RootsWeb's newly redesigned Search Thingy search engine will index the data on your site and other privately owned websites at RootsWeb just as Google and any other search engine would do. There is no change is your capability of having a site search engine on your page as well. RootsWeb's AUP assures us all that our copyright and ownership of any original content on our websites will be honored. RootsWeb serves as the host of the content for as long as you decide to house the content at RootsWeb. You grant RootsWeb a limited license to distribute and house the data while your pages reside on RootsWeb's servers. Of course, neither we nor RootsWeb/TGN can copyright or own facts. We can only copyright our original content and page design and graphics we create. You shouldn't need to do anything about the new banners/headers. That is all handled by RootsWeb and seems to work pretty transparently--at least it has on all the pages I've seen. Are you having a problem with them? Joan ---------------------------- 1. Will TGN "own" "my" stuff? Will my genie info on county sites still be "mine" (and my submitters), or will TGN "sell" my stuff? Will they put it into any pay subscription or product? 2. Will TGN "index" my stuff or do I leave the on-site search boxes. If TGN indexes, what are the pros and cons? If I later move from RW, will "my" indexed info (if they do it) drop off their index eventually? 3. RW has always been "easy" (well, relatively), so how do I pick another host IF I ever wanted to do that? I tried once before to pick a pay site for a personal web, but it got too confusing reading each host's info. 4. I'm still confused about the headers. What do I need to do? Thanks for clarifying, Judy **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

Linda- Not that it is particularly relevant to the discussion at hand because what I've written is based upon the official announcements made by TGN and not to my own "guesses," opinions or crystal ball...but I was on RootsWeb staff before the sale in 2000 and was on staff for one year after the sale until July 2001. My only current connection to RootsWeb is in writing occasional articles on Using RootsWeb for the RootsWeb Review...which requires only my knowledge of how the various programs and features at RootsWeb function. I must say though...I wouldn't have anything to write about if RootsWeb truly didn't "exist" as some would suggest. <g> My comments were not a "defense" of Ancestry--but rather a reference to the official statements to which I provided a link in my previous reply. Anything stated above and beyond the official announcements by those who would have us believe otherwise, is purely rumor and innuendo--unless, of course, the naysayers can point to something official to support their prophesies of doom and gloom. Joan ----------------------------------------- I'm not riding a horse for either side, but after reading your impassioned defense of Ancestry, I would like to know the answer to one question. It would help us all know what biases you may have, because I'd sure like to be able believe all that you are saying. Are you now, or have you been in the past, an employee of Ancestry or their parent company? If so, in what capacity. Linda **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

No, no problems so far. Just confused by all the uproar and everyone "moving" and just want to make the right choices. Judy On 3/30/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > Judy- > > Read the RootsWeb AUP (click on the link at the bottom of any > RootsWeb page) > --note the section that explains the treatment of User Provided Content. > That should answer your question #1. Also read the newsroom > announcements that > I linked to in my previous post--which clearly explains that RootsWeb will > continue to be a free service as always (your webpage content is not > suddenly > going to become a part of any subscription service). I think this is the > best > way for you to answer your own questions rather than listening to what > anyone > interprets policy to be for you. > > RootsWeb's newly redesigned Search Thingy search engine will index the > data > on your site and other privately owned websites at RootsWeb just as > Google > and any other search engine would do. There is no change is > your capability of > having a site search engine on your page as well. > > RootsWeb's AUP assures us all that our copyright and ownership of any > original content on our websites will be honored. RootsWeb serves as the > host of > the content for as long as you decide to house the content at RootsWeb. > You > grant RootsWeb a limited license to distribute and house the data while > your > pages reside on RootsWeb's servers. Of course, neither we nor > RootsWeb/TGN can > copyright or own facts. We can only copyright our original content and > page > design and graphics we create. > > You shouldn't need to do anything about the new banners/headers. That > is all > handled by RootsWeb and seems to work pretty transparently--at least it > has > on all the pages I've seen. Are you having a problem with them? > > Joan > ---------------------------- > > > 1. Will TGN "own" "my" stuff? Will my genie info on county sites still > be > "mine" (and my submitters), or will TGN "sell" my stuff? Will they put > it > into any pay subscription or product? > > 2. Will TGN "index" my stuff or do I leave the on-site search > boxes. If TGN > indexes, what are the pros and cons? If I later move from RW, will "my" > indexed info (if they do it) drop off their index eventually? > > 3. RW has always been "easy" (well, relatively), so how do I pick another > host IF I ever wanted to do that? I tried once before to pick a pay site > for a personal web, but it got too confusing reading each host's info. > > 4. I'm still confused about the headers. What do I need to do? > > Thanks for clarifying, > > Judy >

I'm not a RW "staff"-- never have been. That said, all the bickering leaves me confused and asking questions. I see all the "I moved" notices from webmasters on various lists. So, would someone answer these: 1. Will TGN "own" "my" stuff? Will my genie info on county sites still be "mine" (and my submitters), or will TGN "sell" my stuff? Will they put it into any pay subscription or product? 2. Will TGN "index" my stuff or do I leave the on-site search boxes. If TGN indexes, what are the pros and cons? If I later move from RW, will "my" indexed info (if they do it) drop off their index eventually? 3. RW has always been "easy" (well, relatively), so how do I pick another host IF I ever wanted to do that? I tried once before to pick a pay site for a personal web, but it got too confusing reading each host's info. 4. I'm still confused about the headers. What do I need to do? Thanks for clarifying, Judy

I'm not riding a horse for either side, but after reading your impassioned defense of Ancestry, I would like to know the answer to one question. It would help us all know what biases you may have, because I'd sure like to be able believe all that you are saying. Are you now, or have you been in the past, an employee of Ancestry or their parent company? If so, in what capacity. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] RootsWeb/Ancestry, etc. > Michelle- > > Once again, this is very much off-topic for this list. > > How can you equate anything having to do with genealogy.com and its > relationship to Ancestry with anything having to do with RootsWeb and ITS > relationship to Ancestry? You are comparing apples and oranges. > > Each company started out with its own policies toward its data submitters > and when RootsWeb and Genealogy.com became a part of TGN the company > preserved > the existing agreements that each company previously established with its > submitters--which were quite different. > > That is why you can find genealogy.com (WFT) files only within One World > Tree (a subscription searching and matching feature). It doesn't mean that > at > some future data WorldConnect trees will be a part of a subscription > service. In > fact, that would specifically be in violation of the user agreement we all > agreed to when submitting trees to RootsWeb's WorldConnect. Those trees > (as > well as the remaining trees submitted to Ancestry's AWT program or > published to > it via Ancestry's Online Family Tree program) will remain free. The > submision agreement is different for the new Ancestry Public and Private > Tree > Program, however, and those trees are accessible only via > subscription--which is > cearly explained when someone submits a tree to that program. > > I can see how people CAN become confused by all this--but TGN HAS remained > faithful to every user submission agreement for every one of its > programs--but > they differ from program to program. Always pay attention to what you > agree > to when you submit data to any program both on the Internet and off-line. > > By "our website" I'm not sure which website you are referring to--but if > you > mean someone (the "company") was going to claim the right to your webpage > hosted by RootsWeb--what is the basis for this claim? More fear tactics > designed > to frighten people with no basis in fact. If anything is ever going to > KILL > RootsWeb, it will be the rumor and innuendo being so carelessly accepted > as > fact by far too many otherwise intelligent people. > > Joan > -------------------- > > Joan, > > I have been quietly reading the emails regarding the changes at rootsweb. > I > must agree with many of the others, rootsweb is dead. I also do not > understand how you can be so blind to what Ancestry does. When I first > started doing genealogy I contributed my tree to Genealogy.com (now owned > by > Ancestry) and Ancestry. Only now, in order to see the tree I donated, I > must have a subscription. > > Think about it. Our website would have been next. > > Michelle > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John- The only limitations placed on RootsWeb webmasters are the banner placed on the pages stating that the website was "hosted by RootsWeb an Ancestry Community" which is merely a statement of fact and the URL change so that the stats for the entire company would be reflected at Comscore Media Metrix as ONE large company. If you feel that is too much to ask in return for unlimted free space and support...then, by all means, you are free to move your pages wherever you want to. That was never in question...what IS in question is all of the misinformation being spread by fear mongers intended to frighten OTHERs away from RootsWeb for reasons not rooted in fact. Joan ----------------------- I have read all of your citations and more. I took a long hard look at all that I saw and the limitations put on webmasters by TGN/Rootsweb. I came to the conclusion that the best thing for all researchers who use the Essex County, MA site and its 30+ towns, was to move. To make sure that what we put up will always be free to all. Where we will have the freedom and ability to do even more for our cousins - found and lost. John **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

Can we please just declare a moratorium on this subject here? Let's all agree to disagree and move on to something of substance and value rather than this topic. Thanks, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> > Michelle- > > Once again, this is very much off-topic for this list. > > How can you equate anything having to do with genealogy.com and its > relationship to Ancestry with anything having to do with RootsWeb and ITS > relationship to Ancestry? You are comparing apples and oranges. > > Each company started out with its own policies toward its data submitters > and when RootsWeb and Genealogy.com became a part of TGN the company > preserved > the existing agreements that each company previously established with its > submitters--which were quite different. > > That is why you can find genealogy.com (WFT) files only within One World > Tree (a subscription searching and matching feature). It doesn't mean that > at > some future data WorldConnect trees will be a part of a subscription > service. In > fact, that would specifically be in violation of the user agreement we all > agreed to when submitting trees to RootsWeb's WorldConnect. Those trees > (as > well as the remaining trees submitted to Ancestry's AWT program or > published to > it via Ancestry's Online Family Tree program) will remain free. The > submision agreement is different for the new Ancestry Public and Private > Tree > Program, however, and those trees are accessible only via > subscription--which is > cearly explained when someone submits a tree to that program. > > I can see how people CAN become confused by all this--but TGN HAS remained > faithful to every user submission agreement for every one of its > programs--but > they differ from program to program. Always pay attention to what you > agree > to when you submit data to any program both on the Internet and off-line. > > By "our website" I'm not sure which website you are referring to--but if > you > mean someone (the "company") was going to claim the right to your webpage > hosted by RootsWeb--what is the basis for this claim? More fear tactics > designed > to frighten people with no basis in fact. If anything is ever going to > KILL > RootsWeb, it will be the rumor and innuendo being so carelessly accepted > as > fact by far too many otherwise intelligent people. > > Joan > -------------------- > > Joan, > > I have been quietly reading the emails regarding the changes at rootsweb. > I > must agree with many of the others, rootsweb is dead. I also do not > understand how you can be so blind to what Ancestry does. When I first > started doing genealogy I contributed my tree to Genealogy.com (now owned > by > Ancestry) and Ancestry. Only now, in order to see the tree I donated, I > must have a subscription. > > Think about it. Our website would have been next. > > Michelle > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1349 - Release Date: 3/29/2008 > 5:02 PM > >

Michelle- Once again, this is very much off-topic for this list. How can you equate anything having to do with genealogy.com and its relationship to Ancestry with anything having to do with RootsWeb and ITS relationship to Ancestry? You are comparing apples and oranges. Each company started out with its own policies toward its data submitters and when RootsWeb and Genealogy.com became a part of TGN the company preserved the existing agreements that each company previously established with its submitters--which were quite different. That is why you can find genealogy.com (WFT) files only within One World Tree (a subscription searching and matching feature). It doesn't mean that at some future data WorldConnect trees will be a part of a subscription service. In fact, that would specifically be in violation of the user agreement we all agreed to when submitting trees to RootsWeb's WorldConnect. Those trees (as well as the remaining trees submitted to Ancestry's AWT program or published to it via Ancestry's Online Family Tree program) will remain free. The submision agreement is different for the new Ancestry Public and Private Tree Program, however, and those trees are accessible only via subscription--which is cearly explained when someone submits a tree to that program. I can see how people CAN become confused by all this--but TGN HAS remained faithful to every user submission agreement for every one of its programs--but they differ from program to program. Always pay attention to what you agree to when you submit data to any program both on the Internet and off-line. By "our website" I'm not sure which website you are referring to--but if you mean someone (the "company") was going to claim the right to your webpage hosted by RootsWeb--what is the basis for this claim? More fear tactics designed to frighten people with no basis in fact. If anything is ever going to KILL RootsWeb, it will be the rumor and innuendo being so carelessly accepted as fact by far too many otherwise intelligent people. Joan -------------------- Joan, I have been quietly reading the emails regarding the changes at rootsweb. I must agree with many of the others, rootsweb is dead. I also do not understand how you can be so blind to what Ancestry does. When I first started doing genealogy I contributed my tree to Genealogy.com (now owned by Ancestry) and Ancestry. Only now, in order to see the tree I donated, I must have a subscription. Think about it. Our website would have been next. Michelle **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

I have also been with TxGenWeb since 1996 and the pages I volunteered for were and are still on the Rootsweb site, Back in the beginning, Dr, B asked us not to put to many pictures on the site as they were building it, and that is the only reason some of my pictures pages are on other pages, When Freepages was opened, I started moving those to Rootsweb freepages because I think it is the best and most reliable servers out there on the Internet. This is not the first exodus I have seen leave Rootsweb server over the server "remember when ancestry.Com first starting help to pay the bills" and rootsweb is still going strong. but I have seen other servers and I know this server is reliable and it is free, There are those who can afford to pay a great deal but I have have seen problems with paid servers such as Hostbreak and others, Rootsweb needed the additional support from ancestry.com to build such a big server with such high bandwith and they stil allow free research. I do not see what is wrong with the banner, The Rootsweb side of the banner is still free and it has the messages, mailing lists etc. One side in not any more prominent that the other. I do not intend to change servers unless Rootsweb decides to actually drop out and I don't thing they will. I think they should drop those who openly and redirectly moved their sites as per the rules we signed up under. I am sure there will be more volunteers that will take their place and love doing it. I have not had problems that some of you say about the Rootsweb help but then maybe I am lucky. As Long as Rootsweb still exists, I am using it for Mills and San Saba Counties. Sharon Ivy On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:55:04 -0600 [email protected] wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: URLs (John Slaughter) > 2. Re: URL's & other things (John Slaughter) > 3. Re: URLs (John Slaughter) > 4. Re: URL's & other things (John Slaughter) > 5. Re: [ROOTSWE-HELP] URL's & other things >([email protected]) > 6. Re: [ROOTSWE-HELP] URL's & other things (Gloria >Lane) > 7. Re: URL's & other things ([email protected]) > 8. Re: URL's & other things (Tracker) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:21:09 -0700 >From: John Slaughter ><[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URLs > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]mail.secureserver.net> > > Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > No, Joan. No matter how much you may think so, Rootsweb >to all intents > and purposes no longer exists. > > John > In loving memory of our son, Brennan. 11/10/88-5/31/01. > http://John.EssexCountyMA/Brennan > > Massachusetts Vital Records Project Administrator - > http://MA-VitalRecords.org > USGenWeb County Coordinator Essex County, MA - >http://EssexCountyMA.net > USGenWeb Town Coordinator Ipswich, Essex, MA - > http://Ipswich.EssexCountyMA.net > > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URLs >> From: [email protected] >> Date: Sat, March 29, 2008 9:40 am >> To: [email protected] >> Linda- >> >> RootsWeb most definitely EXISTS. >> >> Joan >> --------------------------- >> >> <sigh> Joan. I really don't care. You continue to beat a >>dead >> horse to death. RootsWeb no longer exists. And, I very >>much >> doubt that TNG gives a flying rip about my small sites. >> Linda Haas Davenport>> >> Joan, I know this must be frustrating for you as well as >>everyone else >> on both sides of the issue. You can't back away from >>the fact that >> there is a whole huge lot of deep concern about how TGN >>treats >> Rootsweb and what the future is - regardless of how >> discouraging this >> is for you and others to hear this. >> >> But John is only one among many, and this is something >>we'd hope you >> and others would listen to, not ignore or try to >>discount. If you >> don't know what the problem is with TGN, then you're >>not paying >> attention and/or you're just tired of it. I hope you >>will indeed try >> to hear what is being said here. >> >> Gloria >> >> >> >>

Joan, I have been quietly reading the emails regarding the changes at rootsweb. I must agree with many of the others, rootsweb is dead. I also do not understand how you can be so blind to what Ancestry does. When I first started doing genealogy I contributed my tree to Genealogy.com (now owned by Ancestry) and Ancestry. Only now, in order to see the tree I donated, I must have a subscription. Think about it. Our website would have been next. Michelle Message: 7 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:36:52 EDT From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URL's & other things To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Gloria- My concern is that people like John (and many others who are listening to the fear mongers) are spreading this garbage which is NOT based upon any factual evidence. If you don't believe me, go to the RootsWeb newsroom and read the OFFICIAL notices and compare THOSE to the garbage people are trying to spread that bears NO resemblence to FACTS. http://blogs.rootsweb.com/newsroom/ What I HEAR being said here is more of the same garbage based in innuendo and rumor with no basis in fact. Do you also do your genealogical research in this manner? Do you look for official documentation or do you blindly accept idle gossip spread by those who are not in a position to know the facts? Joan -----------------------

Gloria- My concern is that people like John (and many others who are listening to the fear mongers) are spreading this garbage which is NOT based upon any factual evidence. If you don't believe me, go to the RootsWeb newsroom and read the OFFICIAL notices and compare THOSE to the garbage people are trying to spread that bears NO resemblence to FACTS. http://blogs.rootsweb.com/newsroom/ What I HEAR being said here is more of the same garbage based in innuendo and rumor with no basis in fact. Do you also do your genealogical research in this manner? Do you look for official documentation or do you blindly accept idle gossip spread by those who are not in a position to know the facts? Joan ----------------------- Joan, I know this must be frustrating for you as well as everyone else on both sides of the issue. You can't back away from the fact that there is a whole huge lot of deep concern about how TGN treats Rootsweb and what the future is - regardless of how discouraging this is for you and others to hear this. But John is only one among many, and this is something we'd hope you and others would listen to, not ignore or try to discount. If you don't know what the problem is with TGN, then you're not paying attention and/or you're just tired of it. I hope you will indeed try to hear what is being said here. Gloria **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

John- This is really NOT the place to be spouting what you THINK will happen in the future with RootsWeb. Your statement that RootsWeb HURTS TGN is bogus. The STATS when taken separately didn't help--which is the reason for the URL changes--it is a bunsiness move plain and simple. RootsWeb actually helps TGN in that it draws in the new researchers on the free side in the hope that they will later become interested in subscribing on the Ancestry side. I don't know what your problem is with TGN and I really don't care, but you seem to want to spread panic and raise issues for which you have no basis in fact and which you yourself admit the company has categorically denied. That seems pointless unless all you are after is to create panic and fear. Joan ------------------ If anyone thinks that statements that Rootsweb will always be free are true and etched in stone, just take a look at the history of corporate America. It is replete with with such statements that are proved inaccurate later. Rootsweb HURTS TNG. TNG is going to remove that pain. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

> John- > This is really NOT the place to be spouting what you THINK will happen in > the future with RootsWeb. Yes, it IS the place for this. This list is to help webmasters. Help can be defined in many ways. One is to present all sides of an argument in order that people may make informed decisions. I have read all of your citations and more. I took a long hard look at all that I saw and the limitations put on webmasters by TGN/Rootsweb. I came to the conclusion that the best thing for all researchers who use the Essex County, MA site and its 30+ towns, was to move. To make sure that what we put up will always be free to all. Where we will have the freedom and ability to do even more for our cousins - found and lost. John In loving memory of our son, Brennan. 11/10/88-5/31/01. http://John.EssexCountyMA.net/Brennan Massachusetts Vital Records Project Administrator - http://MA-VitalRecords.org USGenWeb County Coordinator Essex County, MA - http://EssexCountyMA.net USGenWeb Town Coordinator Ipswich, Essex, MA - http://Ipswich.EssexCountyMA.net

I re-applied for a new list in my friends name, Marie Clayton, lets just see if anything happens with it. Then my friends I will let you know how I feel about the question, Does Rootsweb really exists anymore! Kay > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:rootsweb-help- > [email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 12:37 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URL's & other things > > Gloria- > > My concern is that people like John (and many others who are listening to > the fear mongers) are spreading this garbage which is NOT based upon any > factual > evidence. If you don't believe me, go to the RootsWeb newsroom and read the > OFFICIAL notices and compare THOSE to the garbage people are trying to > spread > that bears NO resemblence to FACTS. > > http://blogs.rootsweb.com/newsroom/ > > What I HEAR being said here is more of the same garbage based in innuendo > and rumor with no basis in fact. Do you also do your genealogical research in > this manner? Do you look for official documentation or do you blindly accept > idle gossip spread by those who are not in a position to know the facts? > > Joan > ----------------------- > > Joan, I know this must be frustrating for you as well as everyone else > on both sides of the issue. You can't back away from the fact that > there is a whole huge lot of deep concern about how TGN treats > Rootsweb and what the future is - regardless of how discouraging this > is for you and others to hear this. > > But John is only one among many, and this is something we'd hope you > and others would listen to, not ignore or try to discount. If you > don't know what the problem is with TGN, then you're not paying > attention and/or you're just tired of it. I hope you will indeed try > to hear what is being said here. > > Gloria > > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric- > stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message

Joan, I know this must be frustrating for you as well as everyone else on both sides of the issue. You can't back away from the fact that there is a whole huge lot of deep concern about how TGN treats Rootsweb and what the future is - regardless of how discouraging this is for you and others to hear this. But John is only one among many, and this is something we'd hope you and others would listen to, not ignore or try to discount. If you don't know what the problem is with TGN, then you're not paying attention and/or you're just tired of it. I hope you will indeed try to hear what is being said here. Gloria On Mar 30, 2008, at 12:09 PM, [email protected] wrote: > John- > > This is really NOT the place to be spouting what you THINK will > happen in > the future with RootsWeb. Your statement that RootsWeb HURTS TGN is > bogus. The > STATS when taken separately didn't help--which is the reason for the > URL > changes--it is a bunsiness move plain and simple. RootsWeb actually > helps TGN in > that it draws in the new researchers on the free side in the hope > that they > will later become interested in subscribing on the Ancestry side. > > I don't know what your problem is with TGN and I really don't care, > but you > seem to want to spread panic and raise issues for which you have no > basis in > fact and which you yourself admit the company has categorically > denied. That > seems pointless unless all you are after is to create panic and fear. > > Joan > ------------------ > > If anyone thinks that statements that Rootsweb will always be free > are > true and etched in stone, just take a look at the history of > corporate > America. It is replete with with such statements that are proved > inaccurate later. Rootsweb HURTS TNG. TNG is going to remove that > pain. > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video > on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001 > ) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

Hi Therese, "Why are my emails not getting to"Janet Roworth" <[email protected]" Do you mean emails you send directly to that address, or list posts? What makes you think they're not getting through - do you receive a notice to say they're not? If so, please provide the details from one of those notices. Specific information is needed to give you specific help. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy Howard -- Kaiwaka, Northland, New Zealand http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wendyh65/ <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Ewendyh65/>

The interface has changed "a bit?" The only thing that is the same is the header. The "help desk" is nothing more than pages and pages of FAQs. It's almost impossible to find what you want. One of the best features of the old page was the notice of known problems and estimates of repair time. All just more examples of the lack of concern for people needing help. This is just what all corporate entities do. Make it difficult or impossible to find how to actually contact someone. Make a person spend hours reading useless FAQs. It is all intended to make the person give up and go away. John In loving memory of our son, Brennan. 11/10/88-5/31/01. http://John.EssexCountyMA/Brennan Massachusetts Vital Records Project Administrator - http://MA-VitalRecords.org USGenWeb County Coordinator Essex County, MA - http://EssexCountyMA.net USGenWeb Town Coordinator Ipswich, Essex, MA - http://Ipswich.EssexCountyMA.net > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URLs > From: [email protected] > Date: Sat, March 29, 2008 11:07 am > To: [email protected] > Linda- > > The HelpDesk is still there whether or not the same names and faces are > handling the requests for assistance. The interface has changed a bit -- but the > RootsWeb HelpDesk is still there. Things change--get over it. > > Joan

Another telling point. People who cared about genealogy and other people are no longer there. Did they see the hand writing on the wall? Or, were they simply replaced with TNG's chosen robots? John In loving memory of our son, Brennan. 11/10/88-5/31/01. http://John.EssexCountyMA/Brennan Massachusetts Vital Records Project Administrator - http://MA-VitalRecords.org USGenWeb County Coordinator Essex County, MA - http://EssexCountyMA.net USGenWeb Town Coordinator Ipswich, Essex, MA - http://Ipswich.EssexCountyMA.net > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URL's & other things > From: [email protected] > Date: Sat, March 29, 2008 11:05 am > To: [email protected] > Linda- > > There is ALWAYS a RootsWeb person in charge of creating new accounts. The > name of the person in charge has changed from time to time over the years--but > that doesn't mean NO ONE is in charge of creating new lists for RootsWeb. > Just because the old-time RootsWeb staffers that you may have been familiar with > before TGN purchased RootsWeb may be long gone does not mean that the jobs > we all performed at one time are not being done by others. > > Joan

No, Joan. No matter how much you may think so, Rootsweb to all intents and purposes no longer exists. John In loving memory of our son, Brennan. 11/10/88-5/31/01. http://John.EssexCountyMA/Brennan Massachusetts Vital Records Project Administrator - http://MA-VitalRecords.org USGenWeb County Coordinator Essex County, MA - http://EssexCountyMA.net USGenWeb Town Coordinator Ipswich, Essex, MA - http://Ipswich.EssexCountyMA.net > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URLs > From: [email protected] > Date: Sat, March 29, 2008 9:40 am > To: [email protected] > Linda- > > RootsWeb most definitely EXISTS. > > Joan > --------------------------- > > <sigh> Joan. I really don't care. You continue to beat a dead > horse to death. RootsWeb no longer exists. And, I very much > doubt that TNG gives a flying rip about my small sites. > Linda Haas Davenport > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You're absolutely correct, Kay. I had exactly the same problem getting a couple lists set up and a URL. It is now taking months and many e-mails and re-applications to get something done that took no more that three or four days. This is very sad. It is another proof of where things are going. TNG doesn't care about anything except money. The great service that was provided by Rootsweb people is gone. The move to Ancestry.com servers is not really to provide better service and that people will visit both. It is a way to more easily control Rootsweb and to prepare for the day when they'll pull the free access to Rootsweb. If anyone thinks that statements that Rootsweb will always be free are true and etched in stone, just take a look at the history of corporate America. It is replete with with such statements that are proved inaccurate later. Rootsweb HURTS TNG. TNG is going to remove that pain. TNG said that USGW sites were costing it money. Did they really think that putting banners on would provide more visits to Ancestry.com than the links that were already on most sites? Well, USGW and a great many USGW sites are helping TNG. The sites are being moved. I moved over thirty sites off the Rootsweb servers. Those sites have very few links that go back to Rootsweb and there is work going on to remove even those. BTW, it isn't just USGW sites that are moving. Freepages, Homepages and personal sites are also being moved. As Linda Haas said, Rootsweb is dead. I've had sites on Rootsweb over ten years. I am very appreciative of all their past support. Now, though, I mourn their passing and move on. I've made sure that my sites will be around for at least the next ten years. I'm working on putting the funding together to see that they will go on in perpetuity. John In loving memory of our son, Brennan. 11/10/88-5/31/01. http://John.EssexCountyMA/Brennan Massachusetts Vital Records Project Administrator - http://MA-VitalRecords.org USGenWeb County Coordinator Essex County, MA - http://EssexCountyMA.net USGenWeb Town Coordinator Ipswich, Essex, MA - http://Ipswich.EssexCountyMA.net > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] URL's & other things > From: "Tracker" <[email protected]> > Date: Sat, March 29, 2008 9:39 am > To: <[email protected]> > I've been with Rootsweb, since 1996, it has been a great place to volunteer, > lots of helpful people and committed to "free" genealogy. However, it seems > something is broke, my friend and I have been trying since Dec. '07 to get a > mail list, so far nothing. > It's always been my experience that it takes no longer than a week at most > to get one approved or disapproved. This is a genealogy only list we seek, > and need an answer so we can move ahead or move on. > I don't know what the hold up is, but it does bother me that things are not > being taken care of in a timely manner anymore. > It is just me or has anyone else had problems along this line? > kay