Tried that; didn't even get 15% up...more like 5 or 6% before it bugged out on me. It's been a bad week at Black-Rock ... first one computer can't get onto the net (although the dialup SAYS it's logged me on, I can't even get to my ISP once it says that), and the other is lucky to get a 32.6 dialup connex. Now this. Frustrating. [NOTE TO SELF: *QUIT* doing favors for people!] Cheryl Judy Florian wrote: > My advice: ftp one, then the other. > > With Frontpage, I'm having better luck uploading the entire site AGAIN, > than for it to compare pages and only upload changed pages. Takes less > time doing entire site--go figure > > Judy > > On 4/26/08, *singhals* <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > > I've been trying to ftp two jpgs (OK, they're pretty large) > to my GenWeb acct, but at about 15% of upload, I get a > connection error and a disconnect. > > Is it something at my ISP or is it something from the RW end > of the ftp? Or is it just one of those glitches? > > Cheryl > -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

My advice: ftp one, then the other. With Frontpage, I'm having better luck uploading the entire site AGAIN, than for it to compare pages and only upload changed pages. Takes less time doing entire site--go figure Judy On 4/26/08, singhals <[email protected]> wrote: > > I've been trying to ftp two jpgs (OK, they're pretty large) > to my GenWeb acct, but at about 15% of upload, I get a > connection error and a disconnect. > > Is it something at my ISP or is it something from the RW end > of the ftp? Or is it just one of those glitches? > > Cheryl

Cheryl, I'm seeing the same thing periodically. I've got uploads going on two computers, which share the same internet connection. On one, I can connect and upload or download files. On the other (which I've used for months and actually worked for a while this morning), I can't even get a connection. Don't know what's going on and the old help page that listed known problems has either been deleted completely, or it's buried so deep that I've not been able to find it for weeks. Sherri ----- Original Message ----- From: "singhals" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 1:22 PM Subject: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] FTP connex? > I've been trying to ftp two jpgs (OK, they're pretty large) > to my GenWeb acct, but at about 15% of upload, I get a > connection error and a disconnect. > > Is it something at my ISP or is it something from the RW end > of the ftp? Or is it just one of those glitches? > > Cheryl > > > > > -- > There should be no attachments on this message, unless I > specifically mentioned them above. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I've been trying to ftp two jpgs (OK, they're pretty large) to my GenWeb acct, but at about 15% of upload, I get a connection error and a disconnect. Is it something at my ISP or is it something from the RW end of the ftp? Or is it just one of those glitches? Cheryl -- There should be no attachments on this message, unless I specifically mentioned them above.

At 09:11 PM 4/25/2008, you wrote: >I did say <I'm sure it has to be errors in writing the tag part > Maybe >I'm not using the right words to explain what I need - sigh. Then ask again and I will try again. pat

Hi again, Thanks. I know not to make pages fully bold and I do have that page marked with </b throughout - possibly one is missing- thx. I did say <I'm sure it has to be errors in writing the tag part > Maybe I'm not using the right words to explain what I need - sigh. Judy On 4/25/08, Patricia Geary <[email protected]> wrote: > > > FYI This would be a whole lot easier if you were using fp2003 as you > could create a dynamic web template. > > You start with a template and css that validate. You can use includes > for any part of the template that will be the same page after page. > > Take a page that you want to convert > > Save As > revised-file-name.html This way you have a backup just in > case you mess up the one you are trying to work on > > Ctrl + A > Format > Remove formatting (This should get rid of a lot > of the old formatting). You can use search and replace to get rid of > more if you need to. > > Remove those portions of the page that will be included in the new > template - masthead, searches, footer, whatever. > > When you have only the content left validate it. If the content > validates, you can proceed. If not clean up the errors until it does. > > You need to move the styling to the style sheet if you want it to > validate. That means if the style does not already exist, you will > need to create it. > > Make sure you close your tags in the proper order. > > Create classes for things you use over and over > > EXAMPLE: > .ctr { > text-align: center;} > > All bold text is difficult to read. > > You can then copy and paste you content into the content area of a > new page. You will also need to make sure you copy the head section > to the new page unless you want to have to retype them all. > > Converting a site that has been written with formatting as part of > the html code is not either quick or easy. It takes a lot of work. It > also takes an understanding of the style sheet so you know how to > apply the styles. > > pat >

At 06:11 PM 4/25/2008, you wrote: >I need the basics for how to take an HTML page and convert it to a page >governed by Ext. CSS The CSS and the initial template had validated. ============= FYI This would be a whole lot easier if you were using fp2003 as you could create a dynamic web template. You start with a template and css that validate. You can use includes for any part of the template that will be the same page after page. Take a page that you want to convert Save As > revised-file-name.html This way you have a backup just in case you mess up the one you are trying to work on Ctrl + A > Format > Remove formatting (This should get rid of a lot of the old formatting). You can use search and replace to get rid of more if you need to. Remove those portions of the page that will be included in the new template - masthead, searches, footer, whatever. When you have only the content left validate it. If the content validates, you can proceed. If not clean up the errors until it does. You need to move the styling to the style sheet if you want it to validate. That means if the style does not already exist, you will need to create it. Make sure you close your tags in the proper order. Create classes for things you use over and over EXAMPLE: .ctr { text-align: center;} All bold text is difficult to read. You can then copy and paste you content into the content area of a new page. You will also need to make sure you copy the head section to the new page unless you want to have to retype them all. Converting a site that has been written with formatting as part of the html code is not either quick or easy. It takes a lot of work. It also takes an understanding of the style sheet so you know how to apply the styles. pat

At 06:11 PM 4/25/2008, you wrote: >I need the basics for how to take an HTML page and convert it to a page >governed by Ext. CSS The CSS and the initial template had validated. ============= FYI This would be a whole lot easier if you were using fp2003 as you could create a dynamic web template. You start with a template and css that validate. You can use includes for any part of the template that will be the same page after page. Take a page that you want to convert Save As > revised-file-name.html This way you have a backup just in case you mess up the one you are trying to work on Ctrl + A > Format > Remove formatting (This should get rid of a lot of the old formatting). You can use search and replace to get rid of more if you need to. Remove those portions of the page that will be included in the new template - masthead, searches, footer, whatever. When you have only the content left validate it. If the content validates, you can proceed. If not clean up the errors until it does. You need to move the styling to the style sheet if you want it to validate. That means if the style does not already exist, you will need to create it. Make sure you close your tags in the proper order. Create classes for things you use over and over EXAMPLE: .ctr { text-align: center;} All bold text is difficult to read. You can then copy and paste you content into the content area of a new page. You will also need to make sure you copy the head section to the new page unless you want to have to retype them all. Converting a site that has been written with formatting as part of the html code is not either quick or easy. It takes a lot of work. It also takes an understanding of the style sheet so you know how to apply the styles. pat ---------- Pat Geary, Microsoft MVP - FrontPage We discuss FrontPage and Expression Web http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/frontpage/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/expression-web/ Genealogy Web Design Tips and Tutorials http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/ http://www.genealogy-computer-tips.com/ - Blog

I need the basics for how to take an HTML page and convert it to a page governed by Ext. CSS The CSS and the initial template had validated. I got one former html page, now ext css, to validate (here http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~florian/o_f2/mcdonald/business/1800-1900_1.htm ), but for every page I need to know how to write the css tags. Here is a page I'm working on now: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~florian/o_f2/mcdonald/business/index.htm It has 32 errors like Line 233, Column 3: document type does not allow element "H1" here; missing one of "APPLET", "OBJECT", "MAP", "IFRAME", "BUTTON" start-tag. Huh?? The line #s don't help me find the errors because the w3 is seeing _includes too. Most say this & that is NOT ALLOWED HERE. Well, where is it allowed? LOL I'm sure it has to be errors in writing the tag part & not knowing what I should delete from the OLD HTML to convert the page to ext CSS. Maybe I should forget about the old pages and just add new content with my new css... sigh. Are there some STEPS to converting OLD HTML to ext CSS ?? What to do 1st? 2nd? 3rd? etc. Judy

At 09:02 PM 4/24/2008, Judy Florian wrote: >Under what circumstances would someone use border-collapse: collapse > What does it do? http://www.w3schools.com/Css/pr_tab_border-collapse.asp http://www.htmldog.com/reference/cssproperties/border-collapse/ border-collapse: collapse | separate | inherit * collapse * Borders of adjacent table cells are shared (collapsed). * separate * Borders of adjacent table cells are separate from one another. * inherit * The borders should be the same setting as any parent element. http://www.the-art-of-web.com/css/bordercollapse/ pat

Thank you. I saw it on another page. On 4/24/08, Patricia Geary <[email protected]> wrote: > > At 09:02 PM 4/24/2008, Judy Florian wrote: > >Under what circumstances would someone use border-collapse: collapse > > What does it do? > > > http://www.w3schools.com/Css/pr_tab_border-collapse.asp > > http://www.htmldog.com/reference/cssproperties/border-collapse/ > > > border-collapse: collapse | separate | inherit > * collapse > * Borders of adjacent table cells are shared (collapsed). > * separate > * Borders of adjacent table cells are separate from one another. > * inherit > * The borders should be the same setting as any parent element. > http://www.the-art-of-web.com/css/bordercollapse/ > > pat

Under what circumstances would someone use border-collapse: collapse What does it do?

At 09:03 AM 4/24/2008, Judy Florian wrote: >Above the footer include, I have > ><........!--webbot bot="Include" U-Include="../../../_includes/mc_mid.htm" >TAG="BODY" > >--> >The included content shows fine when in Frontpage, but the "include" is NOT >showing when online (IE6). It's probably something simple... anyone? It is >the same include I used on this section before, so it should be online >already in the includes folder. Any ideas? SORRY remove leading dots. FrontPage Includes need to be a full html document - in other words the include needs to be written with he proper structure <.html><.head></head><.body>Your content</body></html> The are DESIGN TIME INCLUDES. They are assembled at the time you design the page. Any page the include is part of needs to be uploaded any time the include is added or changed. Because the rootsweb servers do NOT support fpse, it does not matter if the actual include is uploaded or not. FrontPage Questions would get more answers if they were posted on the frontpage list and would benefit other fp users and not clutter up the email of those who have no interest at all in this program. Just my two cents. pat ---------- Pat Geary, Microsoft MVP - FrontPage We discuss FrontPage and Expression Web http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/frontpage/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/expression-web/ Genealogy Web Design Tips and Tutorials http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/ http://www.genealogy-computer-tips.com/ - Blog

At 09:03 AM 4/24/2008, Judy Florian wrote: >Above the footer include, I have > ><........!--webbot bot="Include" U-Include="../../../_includes/mc_mid.htm" >TAG="BODY" > >--> >The included content shows fine when in Frontpage, but the "include" is NOT >showing when online (IE6). It's probably something simple... anyone? It is >the same include I used on this section before, so it should be online >already in the includes folder. Any ideas? FrontPage Includes need to be a full html document - in other words the include needs to be written with he proper structure <html><head></head><body>Your content</body></html> The are DESIGN TIME INCLUDES. They are assembled at the time you design the page. Any page the include is part of needs to be uploaded any time the include is added or changed. Because the rootsweb servers do NOT support fpse, it does not matter if the actual include is uploaded or not. FrontPage Questions would get more answers if they were posted on the frontpage list and would benefit other fp users and not clutter up the email of those who have no interest at all in this program. Just my two cents. pat ---------- Pat Geary, Microsoft MVP - FrontPage We discuss FrontPage and Expression Web http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/frontpage/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/expression-web/ Genealogy Web Design Tips and Tutorials http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/ http://www.genealogy-computer-tips.com/ - Blog

Judy Florian wrote: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~florian/o_f2/mcewen.htm > Could people check it in other browsers? I only have IE6. > I use Sea Monkey which is a Mozilla based browser very similar to Netscape. On first viewing I notice an error in text: *"Notice:* In order to continue using the free side of Pico Search, the 2 Sites had to be split into separate searches." Actually it is split into 3 searches. I don't know how to run validation with the 'Composer' part of Sea Monkey, but a quick check reveals that although the search box indicates that the McDonald, PA part is using Pico Search, the code specifies FreeFind. That's about as far as I got into it. Jeff Owens

On 4/24/08, Patricia Geary <[email protected]> wrote: > > At 09:03 AM 4/24/2008, Judy Florian wrote: > > > > FrontPage Includes need to be a full html document - in other words the > include needs to be written with he proper structure > <html><head></head><body>Your content</body></html> > Ok, I'll check them.

On 4/24/08, Jeff Owens <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On first viewing I notice an error in text: > > *"Notice:* In order to continue using the free side of Pico Search, the > 2 Sites had to be split into separate searches." > > Actually it is split into 3 searches. == I can understand how you'd think this is an error, but it isn't. Two (2) SITES (areas, localities) split into separate searches. The "areas" (sites) are McDonald PA and all the rest of Washington Co PA. When I started, I stuck McDonald into the same web (an agreement I made with the gal supplying the newspapers). Little did I know how big it all would grow. Anyway, it is not an error the way I said it. As to the searches, I didn't do the re-working on those so I'll have to check. No one has complained about the search boxes not working. Thanks! Judy

One other problem... Above the footer include, I have <........!--webbot bot="Include" U-Include="../../../_includes/mc_mid.htm" TAG="BODY" --> The included content shows fine when in Frontpage, but the "include" is NOT showing when online (IE6). It's probably something simple... anyone? It is the same include I used on this section before, so it should be online already in the includes folder. Any ideas? Judy On 4/24/08, Judy Florian <[email protected]> wrote: > > Pat & others, > > Yes Pat, you must have re-worked the search boxes (and _searches.htm) for > 'religions' site -- that include validates with 3 NOBR errors. > > So > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~florian/o_f2/mcewen.htm has > only those 3 errors. If this is suitable, I'll make it into a template. > Could people check it in other browsers? I only have IE6. > > Also, please look *in particular* at the middle border, from top to halfway > down the table to the line that begins " Games of all kinds were enjoyed by > the young folk during the afternoon, while...." Right above this line, > INSIDE the middle border (between the outer border and innermost border), I > see purplish color when in Frontpage (note, I did have a purplish color > background color loading on the old pages that had embedded CSS. But, I > *thought* I changed all those colors.) At least one person reports seeing > it online on this page (same one as above), but I no longer see it in IE6 > online. Is it really there, or is Frontpage hallucinating? LOL If it is > in the Ext. CSS somewhere, HOW can I find it in the CSS? The file is " mcdonald-in-use.css > " > > Lastly, anyone have tips about what steps to use to convert existing pages > from HTML to CSS. For example, I know I need to go through and change <...p > align="center"> to <...p class="center"> Is it best to do Search>Find or > some other process to change everything over? > Thanks, > > Judy >

Pat & others, Yes Pat, you must have re-worked the search boxes (and _searches.htm) for 'religions' site -- that include validates with 3 NOBR errors. So http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~florian/o_f2/mcewen.htm has only those 3 errors. If this is suitable, I'll make it into a template. Could people check it in other browsers? I only have IE6. Also, please look *in particular* at the middle border, from top to halfway down the table to the line that begins " Games of all kinds were enjoyed by the young folk during the afternoon, while...." Right above this line, INSIDE the middle border (between the outer border and innermost border), I see purplish color when in Frontpage (note, I did have a purplish color background color loading on the old pages that had embedded CSS. But, I *thought* I changed all those colors.) At least one person reports seeing it online on this page (same one as above), but I no longer see it in IE6 online. Is it really there, or is Frontpage hallucinating? LOL If it is in the Ext. CSS somewhere, HOW can I find it in the CSS? The file is " mcdonald-in-use.css " Lastly, anyone have tips about what steps to use to convert existing pages from HTML to CSS. For example, I know I need to go through and change <...p align="center"> to <...p class="center"> Is it best to do Search>Find or some other process to change everything over? Thanks, Judy -- Washington County PA Websites: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~florian/ http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~florian/ http://freepages.religions.rootsweb.com/~florian/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~pawashin/

Hi again, Yes, I fixed the body open/close. So I get 39 errors now but still for the search boxes. I'll look at the _includes from 'religions' and see if you changed them from the ones on 'genealogy.' Those did not validate before, but at the time there wasn't much choice - you just helped me get the search companies' codes into tables like I wanted. I wouldn't bother changing this whole section except my helper wanted a different center... and it's now throwing too many broken hyperlinks to leave the middle image as 'disabled'. (long story, don't ask LOL) So I thought I'd try to do it the right way now and put it all in a CSS template so I'd get rid of all those broken links on the middle background. I thought I did well to figure out how to change all those backgrounds on the CSS -- BUT that one piece I marked that looks purplish is still a problem. I'm not sure where the #color is-- could it be where you put one of the borders with a number px ? There is one line with #B38080 (I think) and a small px border -- is that the problem color? Also, I stumbled upon this page about borders. Thought others might find it useful to see it too. Can play a little with the settings too. (3 line URL ---- http://lifefeed.net/misc/test_borders.php?bodybg=none&cellbg=none&color0=B38080&color1=red&color2=yellow&color3=orange&color4=green&color5=blue&styles%5B%5D=ridge&update=update --- 3 line URL) Judy On 4/23/08, Patricia Geary <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Do you have an opening body tag? immediately after the closing head > tag? A closing body tag? > > http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/adding-search-engine.html is > the tutorial I did on adding search boxes. Each of them validates so > you can use those to try and figure out what is wrong . > > Judy I honestly do not remember if they validated two years ago or > not. Looking at the code I would say no as I style tables using a > style sheet not the way these are done. > Unfortunately I do not have the time right now to go through and move > all the styles to the external sheet and fix the coding errors. You > can use the above code for the search box itself as a guideline to > getting those pages to validate. > > Before you start adding any content to the template, you should get > it to validate. > > This site http://freepages.religions.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~florian/ > is the only one that comes close to validating and the NOBR tag is > the only error. You can check out the css for using it here > http://www.anyexample.com/webdev/css/nobr_tag_css_alternative_analog.xml > > This is the one that validates except for the nobr tag which throws > up three errors. Compare that with what you have on the page with 41 > errors and find out what is wrong. > > pat >