It appears fine to me in both browsers although the line spacing is a bit different. HTML validation at W3 gives 7 errors and 1 warning. http://validator.w3.org/ Jim Rickenbacker ----- Original Message ----- From: "DONNA COOPER" <saarisr@sbcglobal.net> To: <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:58 AM Subject: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Page Reads Chinese > List Helpers, I have a page that reads fine in Explorer but in Firefox it > reads Chinese. It validates in Firefox without any error warnings. But in > Explorer it has some warnings about background color. > > I don't see anything in the code that would make it read Chinese. > > Can any of you see what the problem is? > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mobarry/School-Book/o-index.htm > > Have a Merry Christmas! > > Donna Cooper

Pat, I looked at it side by side in both browsers and they look fine. Charles t Geary wrote: > At 11:58 AM 12/24/2009, DONNA COOPER wrote: > >> List Helpers, I have a page that reads fine in Explorer but in >> Firefox it reads Chinese. It validates in Firefox without any error >> warnings. But in Explorer it has some warnings about background color. >> >> I don't see anything in the code that would make it read Chinese. >> >> Can any of you see what the problem is? >> >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mobarry/School-Book/o-index.htm >> > > > I'm using Firefox and it reads in English to me. > > > > pat > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2585 - Release Date: 12/24/09 00:11:00 > >

List Helpers, I have a page that reads fine in Explorer but in Firefox it reads Chinese. It validates in Firefox without any error warnings. But in Explorer it has some warnings about background color. I don't see anything in the code that would make it read Chinese. Can any of you see what the problem is? http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mobarry/School-Book/o-index.htm Have a Merry Christmas! Donna Cooper

Tina, I just bookmarked that great link. Thank you. There is far more to ew than I imagined. Lets roll. CB Tina Clarke wrote: >> The closing tags will be the worst because it will likely be all manual >> work. :-( But you can tackle the ones that Find/Replace can fix, and >> worry about the other errors next. >> >> Cheering you on for the work ahead, >> >> Judy >> > > There are quite a few other tools within ew that will do clean up jobs > besides find and replace.. also the sequence you do clean up jobs can change > the amount of clean up time too..also using fp to remove themes and shared > borders is much much quicker. > > Remove formatting > change table to text > expression queries > > are just a few and there are third party tools that help too ... I have the > most fun with expresssion queries... > http://any-expression.com/expression-web/tutorials/expression-web-querys.htm > > It also pays to include seo aspects and semantic markup as you clean up a > page > > Tina > F ree Expression Web Toolbar - Expression Web and Web Design Resources > http://frontpage-to-expression.com/expression-web-community-toolbar.html > Just posted new links to the toolbar - Make YOUR suggestions > Will work in FireFox IE and Safari > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.118/2584 - Release Date: 12/23/09 11:02:00 > >

Judy, Good luck on learning the sideshow. I want to learn about dwt but will ask about that on the ew list. I only have three more counties to convert to xhtml and will finish that by Jan 1. I know I should be using a template. I do that but keep it in my mind not on a web page. My problem is, as I go along I change the layout slightly to something that I like better. I use the web site on the server as my backup. I also have an Old copy on my computer that I never change just in case I have to go back to it to find a missing page. CB J.A. Florian wrote: > Nodding in sympathy. I did the same kind of error, I forget what it was > now, but I was so focused on fixing the error that I didn't think it > through. You *could* do a FIND for the same 2 letters and manually fix the > surname ones. > > Again, if you have to do Find>Replace, figure out your change on paper > first. Think about how much of the code you'll need to use before and > after, in order to avoid the wrongly-changed characters in your content. > And as much of a pain as it is, manually reviewing some pages to make the > re-correction isn't horrible if you give yourself plenty of breaks. > > Now, I need to go learn the slideshow Barry made. I haven't had time until > now to figure out how to use it but I'm determined to learn it before New > Years. Wish me luck. > > Everyone, have a Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays / a great time on Days Off > (whichever is your preference :-) > > Judy > > On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Charles Barnum <jcnreno@charter.net> wrote: > > >> <snipped> >> Here is a nightmare that I did to myself. The new code in a cell is <tr> >> and the old FP used <TR>. So, smartly me, I did a find and replace to >> make all TR's into "tr". The only problem was I forgot to add the < and >> > . Since my web site is mostly Hispanic-leaning, the search and >> replace made zillions of names like Trujillo into trujillo or trUJILLO >> along with many other Hispanic names that have a TR in them. This was >> not so easy to fix. I still find tr in the wrong case as I go along. >> >> <snipped> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.118/2584 - Release Date: 12/23/09 11:02:00 > >

> My Thanks to All, Judy, Pat, Tina, for the great suggestions. > I will join the EB RW list as suggested. I do not care to join other > lists off of RW. > > I have fixed that page. I will upload it later tonight. Yes, EW will > write good code if I start from scratch. Sometimes when I can not figure > out what is what, I just deleted the entire page and re-create it in EW. > My problem is, I have 5,000 pages made with FP. They are loaded with > junk code, but corrections are coming along. > > Here is a nightmare that I did to myself. The new code in a cell is <tr> > and the old FP used <TR>. So, smartly me, I did a find and replace to > make all TR's into "tr". The only problem was I forgot to add the < and > > . Since my web site is mostly Hispanic-leaning, the search and > replace made zillions of names like Trujillo into trujillo or trUJILLO > along with many other Hispanic names that have a TR in them. This was > not so easy to fix. I still find tr in the wrong case as I go along. > > I'll join that list tonight. > CB First rule - backup I usually backup three times when i go to work on a site makeover one for saftey one to work on one to experiment on I also backup at points where I know there is going to be a major change (not overwriting the orginal backups) second rule - make a fully validating template that works in all browsers that has been critiqued by all and sundry and you are very happy with ... that gives you a clean baseline you can ALWAYS go back to.... third rule - ask ask ask ask ask ask.. never presume you cannot do something because you have not yet figured it out or think it cannot be done (like the html to xhtml) and know for every question you ask .. there is someone else too shy to ask just that same question so your helping others:) Tina Expression Web Xmas/NY Giveaway 23rd Dec - 15th Jan http://www.frontpage-to-expression.com/expression-web-giveaway.html

> The closing tags will be the worst because it will likely be all manual > work. :-( But you can tackle the ones that Find/Replace can fix, and > worry about the other errors next. > > Cheering you on for the work ahead, > > Judy There are quite a few other tools within ew that will do clean up jobs besides find and replace.. also the sequence you do clean up jobs can change the amount of clean up time too..also using fp to remove themes and shared borders is much much quicker. Remove formatting change table to text expression queries are just a few and there are third party tools that help too ... I have the most fun with expresssion queries... http://any-expression.com/expression-web/tutorials/expression-web-querys.htm It also pays to include seo aspects and semantic markup as you clean up a page Tina F ree Expression Web Toolbar - Expression Web and Web Design Resources http://frontpage-to-expression.com/expression-web-community-toolbar.html Just posted new links to the toolbar - Make YOUR suggestions Will work in FireFox IE and Safari

> This page of current interest displays code errors from EW3's code > checker. For Instance, it says "the center tag was not closed before > this </boby> tag" And several "the center tag was not closed before > this <tr> tag." > I leave these code errors in because I can not fix them. Is this program > not suited to convert old html to xhtml and code so it is compliant for > all browsers? Well with a subject line like that ;) I think you know what I am going to say... really its a matter of knowing what buttons to press.. almost anything you want to do in the program .. it will do... you just have to know what to press. Its like a car, the nut behind the wheel does the driving makes the decisions... the car can only tell you whats happening when you do something like putting the window wipers on .. the window wipers turn on ... indicate left .. the indicator blinks for left... etc etc etc... same with ew.... its telling you what is wrong you have to do something .... Firstly set up expression web (thats like adjusting your car seat for your six foot frame) Setting up Expression Web Ebook ( Fr*ee ) http://any-expression.com/expression-web/ebooks/setting-up-expression-web-ebook.htm Next ... if you are not using a dwt I would do so ... but if not something for the future ..this ebook covers everything about dwts (dynamic web templates) (in place of themes - dwts are NOT themes - but ,you get the idea its a global feature) as well as many insights into how to work and make a site. Expression Web Dynamic Web Templates Ebook ( Fr*ee ) http://any-expression.com/expression-web/ebooks/expression-web-dwt-ebook.htm when you have set up ew ... you should go to code view and right click ... to change html to xhtml rules click Apply xhtml formatting rules .. and its all done in one click ... you have to do that on each page there is no global feature for that.... you should also use the next two selections after that on the right click ..... only AFTER setting up ew .. those settings are partly to do with those three selections.. turn off the formatting and common toolbars so you wont be tempted to use them like you used to do in fp work in split view all the time so you without realising it learn more coding skills.... your eyes see the wysiwy get design view and the code view and you just learn ... learn to use css properties to apply your styles join pats expression web genealogy list http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gearyfamily/expression-web/ Pat and I have a ebook for migrating ... and we are doing a giveaway right now btw. use ew in this way and you will learn very fast. I wish i had had it when i was new to coding. hope this helps Tina http://www.expression-web.net - Expression Blog http://any-expression.com/ - Expression Web Help http://frontpage-to-expression.com/ - Migrating from FrontPage to Expression Web twitter.com/ @tinaclarke @expressionweb

Nodding in sympathy. I did the same kind of error, I forget what it was now, but I was so focused on fixing the error that I didn't think it through. You *could* do a FIND for the same 2 letters and manually fix the surname ones. Again, if you have to do Find>Replace, figure out your change on paper first. Think about how much of the code you'll need to use before and after, in order to avoid the wrongly-changed characters in your content. And as much of a pain as it is, manually reviewing some pages to make the re-correction isn't horrible if you give yourself plenty of breaks. Now, I need to go learn the slideshow Barry made. I haven't had time until now to figure out how to use it but I'm determined to learn it before New Years. Wish me luck. Everyone, have a Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays / a great time on Days Off (whichever is your preference :-) Judy On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Charles Barnum <jcnreno@charter.net> wrote: > <snipped> > Here is a nightmare that I did to myself. The new code in a cell is <tr> > and the old FP used <TR>. So, smartly me, I did a find and replace to > make all TR's into "tr". The only problem was I forgot to add the < and > > . Since my web site is mostly Hispanic-leaning, the search and > replace made zillions of names like Trujillo into trujillo or trUJILLO > along with many other Hispanic names that have a TR in them. This was > not so easy to fix. I still find tr in the wrong case as I go along. > > <snipped>

At 02:16 PM 12/23/2009, Charles Barnum wrote: >http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nma/sierra/tierra_blancacemetery.htm Charles http://www.css-layouts.org/charles/ View the source code. Pat

Patricia, That is nice and clean code. Different from mine. CB Patricia Geary wrote: > At 02:16 PM 12/23/2009, Charles Barnum wrote: > >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nma/sierra/tierra_blancacemetery.htm >> > > > Charles http://www.css-layouts.org/charles/ > > View the source code. > > Pat > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.118/2584 - Release Date: 12/23/09 11:02:00 > >

At 02:16 PM 12/23/2009, you wrote: >http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nma/sierra/tierra_blancacemetery.htm ============= Charles, if you plan on moving to Expression Web which is a much better web editor than any version of FP, then take the time now to learn the program. You will need to have some background in writing css and html - at least the basics - to make full use of the program. Think about how you want your site to look - the basics, header, footer, and most importantly a navigation system. Develop a basic template and style sheet. If you start using a external style sheet with a dynamic web template, in the future your site will be much easier to add to and maintain. I gave you some resources earlier which also include Tina's free Expression Web DWT. Once you have developed your dwt, then you can begin cleaning up your content and attaching the DWT to the clean content. Some samples you can use are here http://www.expression-web-tutorials.com/ew-templates.html or you can develop your own. You might want to join a list that is strictly for EW. There is one that is part of my signature that is a rw list however it is NOT very active. Or try this one http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/microsoft-expression-web/ which is NOT Rootsweb specific. Pat ---------- Pat Geary, Microsoft MVP - Expression Web We discuss FrontPage and Expression Web http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/frontpage/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/expression-web/ http://www.expression-web-tutorials.com/ Migrating from FrontPage to Expression Web EBook Revised to include EW 3.0 http://frontpage-to-expression.com/

My Thanks to All, Judy, Pat, Tina, for the great suggestions. I will join the EB RW list as suggested. I do not care to join other lists off of RW. I have fixed that page. I will upload it later tonight. Yes, EW will write good code if I start from scratch. Sometimes when I can not figure out what is what, I just deleted the entire page and re-create it in EW. My problem is, I have 5,000 pages made with FP. They are loaded with junk code, but corrections are coming along. Here is a nightmare that I did to myself. The new code in a cell is <tr> and the old FP used <TR>. So, smartly me, I did a find and replace to make all TR's into "tr". The only problem was I forgot to add the < and > . Since my web site is mostly Hispanic-leaning, the search and replace made zillions of names like Trujillo into trujillo or trUJILLO along with many other Hispanic names that have a TR in them. This was not so easy to fix. I still find tr in the wrong case as I go along. I'll join that list tonight. CB Tina Clarke wrote: >> This page of current interest displays code errors from EW3's code >> checker. For Instance, it says "the center tag was not closed before >> this </boby> tag" And several "the center tag was not closed before >> this <tr> tag." >> > > >> I leave these code errors in because I can not fix them. Is this program >> not suited to convert old html to xhtml and code so it is compliant for >> all browsers? >> > > Well with a subject line like that ;) I think you know what I am going to > say... really its a matter of knowing what buttons to press.. almost > anything you want to do in the program .. it will do... you just have to > know what to press. > > Its like a car, the nut behind the wheel does the driving makes the > decisions... the car can only tell you whats happening when you do something > like putting the window wipers on .. the window wipers turn on ... indicate > left .. the indicator blinks for left... etc etc etc... same with ew.... its > telling you what is wrong you have to do something .... > > Firstly set up expression web (thats like adjusting your car seat for your > six foot frame) > > Setting up Expression Web Ebook ( Fr*ee ) > http://any-expression.com/expression-web/ebooks/setting-up-expression-web-ebook.htm > > Next ... if you are not using a dwt I would do so ... but if not something > for the future ..this ebook covers everything about dwts (dynamic web > templates) (in place of themes - dwts are NOT themes - but ,you get the idea > its a global feature) as well as many insights into how to work and make a > site. > > Expression Web Dynamic Web Templates Ebook ( Fr*ee ) > http://any-expression.com/expression-web/ebooks/expression-web-dwt-ebook.htm > > when you have set up ew ... you should go to code view and right click ... > to change html to xhtml rules click Apply xhtml formatting rules .. and its > all done in one click ... you have to do that on each page there is no > global feature for that.... you should also use the next two selections > after that on the right click ..... only AFTER setting up ew .. those > settings are partly to do with those three selections.. > > turn off the formatting and common toolbars so you wont be tempted to use > them like you used to do in fp > work in split view all the time so you without realising it learn more > coding skills.... your eyes see the wysiwy get design view and the code view > and you just learn ... > learn to use css properties to apply your styles > > join pats expression web genealogy list > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gearyfamily/expression-web/ > > Pat and I have a ebook for migrating ... and we are doing a giveaway right > now btw. > > use ew in this way and you will learn very fast. I wish i had had it when i > was new to coding. > > hope this helps > > Tina > http://www.expression-web.net - Expression Blog > http://any-expression.com/ - Expression Web Help > http://frontpage-to-expression.com/ - Migrating from FrontPage to Expression > Web > twitter.com/ @tinaclarke @expressionweb > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.118/2584 - Release Date: 12/23/09 11:02:00 > >

Hi Charles, About the easiest way to fix errors "en mass" is, first, take one item reported as an error. Second, look at the code in several of your pages. See if you can identify something COMMON either right before or right after the place where the code needs changed. For example, I use Frontpage 2000 and it uses charset=windows-1252 in the HEAD. I needed to change it to charset=iso-8859-1 So I opened Edit>Replace and put charset=windows-1252 then in Replace With I put just charset=iso-8859-1 I didn't need to use the entire line of code, just a piece that had the same sequence or placement for the code. I bet many of those 10,000 errors have some "exact" sequence like my example and if you can identify one, it will be easy to do Find>Replace. If possible, stop the "search" after it finds 20 or 30 instances...change those...upload...make sure everything is okay with that change. Then do another set of pages. In Frontpage2000, the user has to click to OK every item changed, but I think someone said EW will do global. If I can sit and hit OK hundreds of times, anyone can do a replace with better software. :-D Don't try to do it in one day, but set smaller goals. Run a validator and copy/print the error list (or just part of it). Look over the list and after looking at the code on a few pages, mark just a few errors on the paper list-- ones you can identify as the easiest to change or that can be an automated Find/Replace task. Think about how many pages you have and set a goal for each day (example: do 20 pages each night to fix JUST ONE error). Then, get a cup of coffee and complete your goal. Don't forget to reward yourself afterwards--- stretch, get a snack, take a walk, watch a TV show, anything to clear your head from all that work. If you have a big site, it will take time but the satisfaction is worth it. When you get 1 error fixed, cross it off the paper list and pick another one to work on. The closing tags will be the worst because it will likely be all manual work. :-( But you can tackle the ones that Find/Replace can fix, and worry about the other errors next. Cheering you on for the work ahead, Judy On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Charles Barnum <jcnreno@charter.net> wrote: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nma/sierra/tierra_blancacemetery.htm > > I bought Expressions Web 3 as an upgrade to FrontPage2007 with the goal > of changing all of my code from html to xhtml and to change all of my > tables so fire Fox could read them equally as well as a MS Broswer. > I have been working months converting the web site. The more I use EW3 > the more I dislike it and have gone back to FrontPage for most tasks > except for making truly new pages. > EW3 appears to make far more work than I can accomplish. The web page > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nma/sierra/tierra_blancacemetery.htm > looks fine on both Fire Fox and MS I.E.8. > But like on so many other pages, I have left in code errors, probably > exceeding 10,000 errors in the web site. > This page of current interest displays code errors from EW3's code > checker. For Instance, it says "the center tag was not closed before > this </boby> tag" And several "the center tag was not closed before > this <tr> tag." > <snipped>

At 02:16 PM 12/23/2009, Charles Barnum wrote: >I bought Expressions Web 3 as an upgrade to FrontPage2007 with the goal >of changing all of my code from html to xhtml and to change all of my >tables so fire Fox could read them equally as well as a MS Broswer. >I have been working months converting the web site. The more I use EW3 >the more I dislike it and have gone back to FrontPage for most tasks >except for making truly new pages. >EW3 appears to make far more work than I can accomplish. Charles, EW will create standards compliant code. It will not automagically clean up crappy code. That takes work on your part. I suggest that you check out the resources listed here http://www.expression-web-tutorials.com/expression-web-newbies.html Make sure you take advantage of the free ebooks offered by Tina Clarke especially the one on setting up Expression Web. And this http://www.expression-web-tutorials.com/style1-created.html Example: http://css-layouts.org/charles/ very little work to clean it up BUT not time to add the styling as yet. Take the time to learn the program and it will server you well. Will add some styling later if I have some time. Pat ---------- Pat Geary, Microsoft MVP - Expression Web We discuss FrontPage and Expression Web http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/frontpage/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/expression-web/ http://www.expression-web-tutorials.com/ Migrating from FrontPage to Expression Web EBook Revised to include EW 3.0 http://frontpage-to-expression.com/

At 02:16 PM 12/23/2009, Charles Barnum wrote: >I bought Expressions Web 3 as an upgrade to FrontPage2007 with the goal >of changing all of my code from html to xhtml and to change all of my >tables so fire Fox could read them equally as well as a MS Broswer. >I have been working months converting the web site. The more I use EW3 >the more I dislike it and have gone back to FrontPage for most tasks >except for making truly new pages. >EW3 appears to make far more work than I can accomplish. Charles, EW will create standards compliant code. It will not automagically clean up crappy code. That takes work on your part. I suggest that you check out the resources listed here http://www.expression-web-tutorials.com/expression-web-newbies.html Make sure you take advantage of the free ebooks offered by Tina Clarke especially the one on setting up Expression Web. And this http://www.expression-web-tutorials.com/style1-created.html Example: http://css-layouts.org/charles/ very little work to clean it up BUT not time to add the styling as yet. Take the time to learn the program and it will server you well. Will add some styling later if I have some time. Pat ---------- Pat Geary, Microsoft MVP - Expression Web We discuss FrontPage and Expression Web http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/frontpage/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/expression-web/ http://www.expression-web-tutorials.com/ Migrating from FrontPage to Expression Web EBook Revised to include EW 3.0 http://frontpage-to-expression.com/

Hi, One FTP program sees files on RootsWeb but another doesn't. They are jpegs. Any suggestions? George

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nma/sierra/tierra_blancacemetery.htm I bought Expressions Web 3 as an upgrade to FrontPage2007 with the goal of changing all of my code from html to xhtml and to change all of my tables so fire Fox could read them equally as well as a MS Broswer. I have been working months converting the web site. The more I use EW3 the more I dislike it and have gone back to FrontPage for most tasks except for making truly new pages. EW3 appears to make far more work than I can accomplish. The web page http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nma/sierra/tierra_blancacemetery.htm looks fine on both Fire Fox and MS I.E.8. But like on so many other pages, I have left in code errors, probably exceeding 10,000 errors in the web site. This page of current interest displays code errors from EW3's code checker. For Instance, it says "the center tag was not closed before this </boby> tag" And several "the center tag was not closed before this <tr> tag." as in this displayed code error: <td class="style8" style="width: 20%"><strong>&nbsp; </strong> </td></center> </tr> I leave these code errors in because I can not fix them. Is this program not suited to convert old html to xhtml and code so it is compliant for all browsers? (Note: Some Data in tables can not be read by Fire Fix Browsers because FrontPage includes a code that tells browsers to ignore the text if it is not formatted. If the table it uses the default FrontPage format, then FireFox can not read it. The solution is to get rid of Themes. Which I have done completely for all pages. Since I got rid of FP Themes, Fire Fox users report they can read all of the data. So I am not dreaming and that is also what a programmer told me to do. That just leaves a few other code errors that must be fixed like justifying all cells LEFT so all browsers read the data the same.) I hope this does not sound like gibberish. I know what I know, but do not know how to say it clearly. Charles

The resize works in Windows Vista. Thanks John!! On 22 Dec 2009 at 0:31, John Van Essen wrote: > On Mon, 21 Dec 2009, George Waller <George@waller.org> wrote: > > > > At home I changed my monitor to 800x600 and saw right > > same problem right here without leaving home. > > You can leave your monitor at a larger setting, and create a bookmark > in Firefox (I have mine near the top of the bookmark list): > > Name: Resize to 800 x 600 > Location: javascript:top.resizeTo(808,608) > > (The extra 8 pixels account for the 4-pixel wide partial-screen window > border that is not present in full-screen mode.) > > Then pull down your bookmark and click on that to get the needed size. > > Here's another handy bookmark for validating the page currently displayed: > > Name: Validate This Page In New Window > Location: > javascript:w=window.open(null,'Validator');setTimeout('w.focus()',0);void(w.lo > cation='http://validator.w3.org/check?uri='+escape(window.location));void%200 > > (Location is all one line). > > This works with Firefox on Windows XP - can't vouch for anything else. And > I didn't create it (:D) - I got it off some other mailing list years ago. > > John > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There do seem to be some delays. I saw your subsequent post this morning, and now (mid-afternoon) this one has turned up. The headers from your post in my mail box: Received: by 10.140.171.19 with SMTP id t19cs878216rve; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:51:37 -0800 (PST) [21 Dec 22:51:37 UTC] Received: by 10.143.21.29 with SMTP id y29mr5210905wfi.175.1261435897751; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:51:37 -0800 (PST) [21 Dec 22:51:37 UTC] Return-Path: <rootsweb-help-bounces@rootsweb.com> Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com (lists2.rootsweb.com [66.43.27.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 34si13620291pzk.13.2009.12.21.14.51.37; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:51:37 -0800 (PST) [21 Dec 22:51:37 UTC] Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rootsweb-help-bounces@rootsweb.com designates 66.43.27.39 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.43.27.39; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rootsweb-help-bounces@rootsweb.com designates 66.43.27.39 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rootsweb-help-bounces@rootsweb.com Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com (lists2.rootsweb.com [127.0.0.1]) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBLMpauF021670 for <wendy.howard@gmail.com>; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:51:39 -0700 [21 Dec 22:51:39 UTC] Received: from mail3.rootsweb.com (mail3.rootsweb.com [10.14.1.46]) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBLETnhc010957 for <ROOTSWEB-HELP@lists2.rootsweb.com>; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 07:29:49 -0700 [21 Dec 14:29:49 UTC] Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [10.14.1.34]) by mail3.rootsweb.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nBLETgoE011766 for <ROOTSWEB-HELP@lists2.rootsweb.com>; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 07:29:42 -0700 [21 Dec 14:29:42 UTC] Received: from mailout18.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout18.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.147]) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nBLETgNn017480 for <rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com>; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 07:29:42 -0700 [21 Dec 14:29:42 UTC] Received: from mailscan11.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.11] helo=mailscan11.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout18.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1NMj10-0002QX-Dk for rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:13:38 -0500 [21 Dec 14:13:38 UTC] Received: from impout02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.2] helo=impout02.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan11.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1NMj10-0004Fq-9O for rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:13:38 -0500 [21 Dec 14:13:38 UTC] Received: from authsmtp04.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.4]) by impout02.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id KqDd1d00905G96J0000000; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:13:37 -0500 [21 Dec 14:13:37 UTC] The time conversions to UTC in [square brackets] are mine. There's an eight-hour delay in there, between different Rootsweb servers - if I'm interpreting correctly. Perhaps email is suffering the same fate as snail mail at this time of year - bogged down by festive mail/transactions/etc? Or dealing with an increase in spam or something else that has slowed it down temporarily? Kind Regards, Wendy ----- Original Message ----- *From:* "Jim Rickenbacker\(3\)" <j3mr2@borisbrooks.com> *To:* rootsweb-help@rootsweb.com *Sent:* 12/22/2009 3:13:28 AM +1300 *Subject:* [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Missing Messages? > Anyone else noticed missing messages? I've only received 3 of the last 7 > messages posted to the archives. I had no problems with missing messages > before yesterday. > > Jim Rickenbacker