Looking, I see some blank spots between " "s not filled in with data ;-) Here are a couple of completed templates for you that might help you - #1 - to retrieve date: function ResetForm(obj) { // Get the Date and set default var the_date = new Date(); var the_month = the_date.getMonth() + 1; var the_day = the_date.getDate(); var the_year = the_date.getFullYear(); var ToDate = the_month + "/" + the_day + "/" + the_year; obj.DoB.value = ""; obj.DoC.value = ToDate; obj.AgeYears.value = " "; obj.AgeRmdr.value = " "; obj.AgeMonth.value = " "; obj.AgeWeeks.value = " "; obj.AgeDays.value = " "; } function CalcAge(obj) { var DoB = Date.parse(obj.DoB.value); var DoC = Date.parse(obj.DoC.value); var AOkay = true; // Check dates for validity if ((DoB==null)||(isNaN(DoB))) { alert("Date of Birth is invalid."); AOkay = false; } if ((DoC==null)||(isNaN(DoC))) { alert("Specified Date is invalid."); AOkay = false; } var ToDate = new Date(); var ToDateYr = ToDate.getFullYear(); var DateofB = new Date(DoB); var DoBYr = DateofB.getFullYear(); var DoBMo = DateofB.getMonth(); var DoBDy = DateofB.getDate(); obj.DoB.value = (DoBMo+1) +"/"+ DoBDy +"/"+ DoBYr; var DateofC = new Date(DoC); var DoCYr = DateofC.getFullYear(); var DoCMo = DateofC.getMonth(); var DoCDy = DateofC.getDate(); obj.DoC.value = " "+ (DoCMo+1) +"/"+ DoCDy +"/"+ DoCYr; if (DoB > DoC) { alert("The Date of Birth is after the specified date."); AOkay = false; } if (DoC > ToDate) { alert("The specified date is in the future.\n Continuing calculation."); } if (AOkay) { var AgeDays = 0; var AgeWeeks = 0; var AgeMonth = 0; var AgeYears = 0; var AgeRmdr = 0; mSecDiff = DoC - DoB; AgeDays = mSecDiff / 86400000; AgeWeeks = AgeDays / 7; AgeMonth = AgeDays / 30.4375; AgeYears = AgeDays / 365.24; AgeYears = Math.floor(AgeYears); AgeRmdr = (AgeDays - AgeYears * 365.24) / 30.4375; AgeDays = Math.round(AgeDays * 10) / 10; AgeWeeks = Math.round(AgeWeeks * 10) / 10; AgeMonth = Math.round(AgeMonth * 10) / 10; AgeRmdr = Math.round(AgeRmdr * 10) / 10; obj.AgeDays.value = AgeDays; obj.AgeWeeks.value = AgeWeeks; obj.AgeMonth.value = AgeMonth; obj.AgeYears.value = AgeYears; obj.AgeRmdr.value = AgeRmdr; } } // Get the Date and set default var the_date = new Date(); var the_month = the_date.getMonth() + 1; var the_day = the_date.getDate(); var the_year = the_date.getFullYear(); var ToDate = the_month + "/" + the_day + "/" + the_year; window.document.Age.DoC.value = ToDate; // --> #2 - to retrieve more dates: // Formula function ResetForm(obj) { // Get the Date and set default var the_date = new Date(); var the_month = the_date.getMonth() + 1; var the_day = the_date.getDate(); var the_year = the_date.getFullYear(); var ToDate = the_month + "/" + the_day + "/" + the_year; obj.DoB.value = ""; obj.DoC.value = ToDate; obj.AgeYears.value = " "; obj.AgeRmdr.value = " "; obj.AgeMonth.value = " "; obj.AgeWeeks.value = " "; obj.AgeDays.value = " "; } function CalcAge(obj) { var DoB = Date.parse(obj.DoB.value); var DoC = Date.parse(obj.DoC.value); var AOkay = true; // Check dates for validity if ((DoB==null)||(isNaN(DoB))) { alert("Date of Birth is invalid."); AOkay = false; } if ((DoC==null)||(isNaN(DoC))) { alert("Specified Date is invalid."); AOkay = false; } //if the year is not Y2K compliant var ToDate = new Date(); var ToDateYr = ToDate.getFullYear(); var DateofB = new Date(DoB); var DoBYr = DateofB.getFullYear(); var DoBMo = DateofB.getMonth(); var DoBDy = DateofB.getDate(); if (ToDateYr - DoBYr > 99) { DoBYr = DoBYr + 100; DoB = Date.parse(" "+ (DoBMo+1) +"/"+ DoBDy +"/"+ DoBYr); if (DoB > ToDate) { DoBYr = DoBYr - 100; DoB = Date.parse(" "+ (DoBMo+1) +"/"+ DoBDy +"/"+ DoBYr); } alert("Assuming you mean the Date of Birth\n to be " +(DoBMo+1)+ "/" +DoBDy+ "/" +DoBYr); } var DateofC = new Date(DoC); var DoCYr = DateofC.getFullYear(); var DoCMo = DateofC.getMonth(); var DoCDy = DateofC.getDate(); if (ToDateYr - DoCYr > 99) { DoCYr = DoCYr + 100; alert("Assuming you mean the specified date\n to be " +(DoCMo+1)+ "/" +DoCDy+ "/" +DoCYr); DoC = Date.parse(" "+ (DoCMo+1) +"/"+ DoCDy +"/"+ DoCYr); } if (DoB > DoC) { alert("The Date of Birth is after the specified date."); AOkay = false; } if (DoC > ToDate) { alert("The specified date is in the future.\n Continuing calculation."); } if (AOkay) { var AgeDays = 0; var AgeWeeks = 0; var AgeMonth = 0; var AgeYears = 0; var AgeRmdr = 0; mSecDiff = DoC - DoB; AgeDays = mSecDiff / 86400000; AgeWeeks = AgeDays / 7; AgeMonth = AgeDays / 30.4375; AgeYears = AgeDays / 365.24; AgeYears = Math.floor(AgeYears); AgeRmdr = (AgeDays - AgeYears * 365.24) / 30.4375; AgeDays = Math.round(AgeDays * 10) / 10; AgeWeeks = Math.round(AgeWeeks * 10) / 10; AgeMonth = Math.round(AgeMonth * 10) / 10; AgeRmdr = Math.round(AgeRmdr * 10) / 10; obj.AgeDays.value = AgeDays; obj.AgeWeeks.value = AgeWeeks; obj.AgeMonth.value = AgeMonth; obj.AgeYears.value = AgeYears; obj.AgeRmdr.value = AgeRmdr; } } // Get the Date and set default var the_date = new Date(); var the_month = the_date.getMonth() + 1; var the_day = the_date.getDate(); var the_year = the_date.getFullYear(); var ToDate = the_month + "/" + the_day + "/" + the_year; window.document.Age.DoC.value = ToDate; // --> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:15 PM, DONNA COOPER <saarisr@sbcglobal.net>wrote: > Good Evening: Do we have someone out there who might be able to tell me > what is wrong with the script on this age calculator? > > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mobarry/oddsnends/born1.htm<http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Emobarry/oddsnends/born1.htm> > > Thanks, Donna Cooper > >

Good Evening: Do we have someone out there who might be able to tell me what is wrong with the script on this age calculator? http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mobarry/oddsnends/born1.htm Thanks, Donna Cooper

Jim, You and my daughter are geniuses :-) I just spent an hour with her on Skype coming to the same conclusion on her advice and it works! I will just bookmark the new location and things will be cool. The other downside is that if I move elsewhere a global replace will need to be done to change the ~ctmanshs includes ... but there is software to do that. Thanks for thinking of this, George p.s. *she* should know since she solely owns a multi-million .com On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Jim Rickenbacker(3) <j3mr2@borisbrooks.com > wrote: > George, > > It is now clear. If <!--#include virtual="/~ctmanshs/00_ssi/banner.htm" --> > works on rootsweb that means that /~ctmanshs/ is your web root directory on > rootsweb. Your web root directory on IIS is simply /. That is why > <!--#include virtual="/00_ssi/banner.htm" --> works on IIS. The only way > you > can make a single include that will work on both systems is to create a > ~ctmanshs folder on your PC under wwwroot and put your entire website in > that folder. Then you can use <!--#include > virtual="/~ctmanshs/00_ssi/banner.htm" --> on both systems. The downside is > you will have to browse to: http://localhost/~ctmanshs/<http://localhost/%7Ectmanshs/>on your PC to view > your local site. > > This is not an Apache vs IIS issue but rather reflects how rootsweb > configures their servers to handle multiple websites as Pat Asher > indicated. > > Jim Rickenbacker > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Waller" <george.a.waller@gmail.com> > To: "RootsWeb-Help" <ROOTSWEB-HELP@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 5:06 PM > Subject: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] More on includes > > > > Hi all, > > Still not used to gmail so will start another thread on this subject. > > > > Thanks for all the advice. > > > > <!--#include virtual="/~ctmanshs/00_ssi/banner.htm" --> > > <!--#include virtual="../00_ssi/banner.htm" --> > > > > both work on my RootsWeb account between subdirectories. > > Does anyone use another variation which works between subdirectories? > > (I.e. my #include is within a file in a subdirectory) > > > > <!--#include virtual="/00_ssi/banner.htm" --> > > would be great but it doesn't work! > > > > Sorry to drag this out but it is important to my ability to develop my > > site. > > Have been struggling with this since 8:30AM. > > > > George > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

George, It is now clear. If <!--#include virtual="/~ctmanshs/00_ssi/banner.htm" --> works on rootsweb that means that /~ctmanshs/ is your web root directory on rootsweb. Your web root directory on IIS is simply /. That is why <!--#include virtual="/00_ssi/banner.htm" --> works on IIS. The only way you can make a single include that will work on both systems is to create a ~ctmanshs folder on your PC under wwwroot and put your entire website in that folder. Then you can use <!--#include virtual="/~ctmanshs/00_ssi/banner.htm" --> on both systems. The downside is you will have to browse to: http://localhost/~ctmanshs/ on your PC to view your local site. This is not an Apache vs IIS issue but rather reflects how rootsweb configures their servers to handle multiple websites as Pat Asher indicated. Jim Rickenbacker ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Waller" <george.a.waller@gmail.com> To: "RootsWeb-Help" <ROOTSWEB-HELP@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 5:06 PM Subject: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] More on includes > Hi all, > Still not used to gmail so will start another thread on this subject. > > Thanks for all the advice. > > <!--#include virtual="/~ctmanshs/00_ssi/banner.htm" --> > <!--#include virtual="../00_ssi/banner.htm" --> > > both work on my RootsWeb account between subdirectories. > Does anyone use another variation which works between subdirectories? > (I.e. my #include is within a file in a subdirectory) > > <!--#include virtual="/00_ssi/banner.htm" --> > would be great but it doesn't work! > > Sorry to drag this out but it is important to my ability to develop my > site. > Have been struggling with this since 8:30AM. > > George >

J.A. Florian wrote: > > Doesn't anyone else have a similar problem with using color wheels, etc.? > Yes, Judy, I do. I see interesting color combinations and am always amazed at how nice they look, because I'd never have thought to put them together. Mona -- Mona Houser HeritageHunt@Sandyviewinfo.net Our Family -- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monajo/ Nahausen Families – http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monajo/nah/ My Database – http://wc.rootsweb.com/~monahouser Buffalo County NEGenWeb --www.rootsweb.com/~nebuffal/

OK I still don't understand gmail and how to reply but here goes... Pat suggested that <!--#include virtual="_includes/new-left-menu.txt" --> and Glenn said the same: <!--#include virtual="includes/footer0b.htm"--> file in public_html should work. But, I tried using (in my case) <!--#include virtual="00_ssi/banner.htm"--> file in public_html and it didn't work on RW... again I am not freepages. I became so frustrated that I downloaded two versions of Apache on Windows and quickly deinstalled them (hopefully) after it became evident I was not up to handling them. Bob, your suggestion about the base tag was interesting but since I will have some 400 pages to complete am afraid of going in that direction. Friends, I have given up! Thanks for your efforts. George p.s. the good news is that I can make my pages work for RW using #include virtual="../etc/etc" which is SO odd since virtual should return me to the root directory so the ".." must be ignored by Apache. On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Robert Sullivan < robert.g.sullivan@gmail.com> wrote: > > If your account is on the Freepages server, the problem with using > > "/" to indicate root, is that you don't have access to the root > > directory. The configuration on that server uses internal redirects > > so you can have multiple URLs in one account. > > I've never tried this, but perhaps this would be a good use for the BASE > tag: > > <http://www.w3schools.com/TAGS/tag_base.asp> > > If you define the top of your account as the root directory for your > site, maybe some of what you're trying will work. If you ever moved > to your own domain, you could just take that line out of your code. > > -- > Bob Sullivan > Schenectady Digital History Archive > <http://www.schenectadyhistory.org/> > Schenectady County (NY) Public Library > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

> If your account is on the Freepages server, the problem with using > "/" to indicate root, is that you don't have access to the root > directory. The configuration on that server uses internal redirects > so you can have multiple URLs in one account. I've never tried this, but perhaps this would be a good use for the BASE tag: <http://www.w3schools.com/TAGS/tag_base.asp> If you define the top of your account as the root directory for your site, maybe some of what you're trying will work. If you ever moved to your own domain, you could just take that line out of your code. -- Bob Sullivan Schenectady Digital History Archive <http://www.schenectadyhistory.org/> Schenectady County (NY) Public Library

Hello, I am brand new to list, I am tring to add a color to my outside border of a web page and the inside border, right now they are gray and black by default. How can I these borders a different color? sincercly, pat c.

At 04:56 PM 1/19/2010, J.A. Florian wrote: >I know and the comments helped me a LOT, but I'm still confused about where >I should have the beige and where I should have the maroon. I want to get >the changes right before I start re-copying all my pages and making each be >CSS-linked. ============= http://css-layouts.org/florian/index3.html If you disable ALL images, the body background is gray the second level is maroon and the inner background is beige. The only thing included with this style sheet is the three containers one of which is styled b the body tag for the page background. http://css-layouts.org/florian/index2.html which was the original one. If you change the background image you need to remember to also change the background color, Pat ---------- Pat Geary, Microsoft MVP - Expression Web We discuss FrontPage and Expression Web http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/frontpage/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/expression-web/ http://www.expression-web-tutorials.com/ Migrating from FrontPage to Expression Web EBook Revised to include EW 3.0 http://frontpage-to-expression.com/

At 06:57 PM 1/19/2010, George Waller wrote: >What I would like to hear is what subdirectory to subdirectory include do >others use successfully. I am trying to find an include which works both in >RootsWeb Apache >and Windows IIS. So far nobody has told me what kind of include they use >for ssi on RootsWeb. ============ I use includes for one part of this site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gearyfamily/ Both the footer and the left side menu are includes. The code is <!--#include virtual="_includes/new-left-menu.txt" --> and the footer. <!--#include virtual="_includes/new-footer.txt" --> Because the site has multiple dynamic web templates only the files in the root directory use this particular setup. The two other templates use Expression Web inlcudes. Pat

Hi Pat, Thanks for your help. Here is the page which doesn't work: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ctmanshs/hunting_lodge_rd_156/hunting_lodge_rd_156_web.htm it has the following include: <!--#include virtual="/00_ssi/banner.htm" --> BTW, I can make it work with: <!--#include virtual="../00_ssi/banner.htm" --> Both hope to refer to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ctmanshs/00_ssi/banner.htm which contains: <p align=left><a href="http://www.mansfieldct-history.org/"> <img src="../00_images/banner.jpg" alt="Banner" align="bottom" width="100%" height="175" border="0"></a></p> What I would like to hear is what subdirectory to subdirectory include do others use successfully. I am trying to find an include which works both in RootsWeb Apache and Windows IIS. So far nobody has told me what kind of include they use for ssi on RootsWeb. Thanks, George On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Pat Asher <pjroots@att.net> wrote: > At 06:06 PM 1/19/2010, you wrote: > ><!--#include virtual="/~ctmanshs/00_ssi/banner.htm" --> > ><!--#include virtual="../00_ssi/banner.htm" --> > > > >both work on my RootsWeb account between subdirectories. > >Does anyone use another variation which works between subdirectories? > >(I.e. my #include is within a file in a subdirectory) > > > ><!--#include virtual="/00_ssi/banner.htm" --> > >would be great but it doesn't work! > > What is the URL of the page that has the include that doesn't work? > > What is the URL of the file you wish to include on the above page? > > > Pat > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

At 06:06 PM 1/19/2010, you wrote: ><!--#include virtual="/~ctmanshs/00_ssi/banner.htm" --> ><!--#include virtual="../00_ssi/banner.htm" --> > >both work on my RootsWeb account between subdirectories. >Does anyone use another variation which works between subdirectories? >(I.e. my #include is within a file in a subdirectory) > ><!--#include virtual="/00_ssi/banner.htm" --> >would be great but it doesn't work! What is the URL of the page that has the include that doesn't work? What is the URL of the file you wish to include on the above page? Pat

Hi all, Still not used to gmail so will start another thread on this subject. Thanks for all the advice. <!--#include virtual="/~ctmanshs/00_ssi/banner.htm" --> <!--#include virtual="../00_ssi/banner.htm" --> both work on my RootsWeb account between subdirectories. Does anyone use another variation which works between subdirectories? (I.e. my #include is within a file in a subdirectory) <!--#include virtual="/00_ssi/banner.htm" --> would be great but it doesn't work! Sorry to drag this out but it is important to my ability to develop my site. Have been struggling with this since 8:30AM. George

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Patricia Geary <patgeary@comcast.net>wrote: > The style sheet was commented so you should be able to see what controls > what. > ========= I know and the comments helped me a LOT, but I'm still confused about where I should have the beige and where I should have the maroon. I want to get the changes right before I start re-copying all my pages and making each be CSS-linked. If all images are off, it would only have maroon, right? (not good cos text won't be seen then, true?) But to have a maroon 2nd layer (middle layer) of the triple border, I need maroon to replace the image. Right? wrong? And for the beige innermost layer, I need beige? I'm missing//not understanding something about the backgrounds but I'm probably not explaining my question very well. :-/ If I only need beige as the full background, where would the beige color be put in the CSS? Here are the 3 borders/layers from the CSS. For the whole page, full background, where would I put the beige? (If I leave it as I have it and images failed, would I just have a big maroon page?) Part of the CSS starts here: */========================= this creates the first background layer as well as body styles 1st WOULD the BEIGE color go in here instead of the maroon? ========================= */ body, p td { background: #691F01 url('weosbokchito4_sm_41K.gif');/*downtown-washington-pa*/; color: #000000; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; } body img { border: 0px; text-decoration: none; } /* ================== OR, would the beige color go in HERE? this styles the middle div or container 2nd layer try hex #691F01 burgundy ===================== */ #container { margin: 15px auto 15px auto; width: 98%; /* decrease width to add more padding to outer layer*/; background: #691F01 url('wburgundy_2nd.jpg');/*burgundy*/; padding: 8px; /* increase number to add more padding*/ border: #8A2B0F 3px ridge; } /* ===================== OR, would the beige color go in HERE???? inner or centermost layer 3rd color try beige hex #E2DDB5 AND if the #color goes in here, how/where do I put the color into the css below? ======================= */ #inner { margin: 15px auto 15px auto; width: 99%; background-image: url('wbeige_3rd.jpg');/*pinkish*/; padding: 10px; border: 2px ridge #999999; } /* ========================= deleted the comment, not needed for this question; the rest of the CSS not included for my question ====================== */

George Pat Asher explained in this post http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/RootsWeb-Help/2010-01/1263902215 you can't use <!--#include virtual="/00_ssi/banner.htm" --> QUOTE If your account is on the Freepages server, the problem with using "/" to indicate root, is that you don't have access to the root directory. The configuration on that server uses internal redirects so you can have multiple URLs in one account. UNQUOTE I've sent you actual examples of includes that work on Rootsweb servers... here they are again <!--#include virtual="includes/footer0b.htm"--> file in public_html <!--#include virtual="../includes/footer0b.htm"--> file one directory below <!--#include virtual="../../includes/footer0b.htm"--> file two directories below includes is the directory in public_html where the includes files are located ../ is relative path that is the equivalent of up one directory ../../ is the equivalent of up two directories See Absolute vs. Relative Paths http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?cid=230ad Bear in mind the section on Root Relative is *NOT* applicable on the Rootsweb server as Pat indicated and as you have experienced. I do not run a web server on the computer I use to develop pages, I make extensive use of server side includes so I never see the complete finished product until I upload the page and go online to view it. It does take a bit of getting used to when you start out but now I just know there should be a header, a navigation menu, and a footer. I started out developing my template with all the code, then moved the 'boiler plate' into includes files and coded the ssi... Glenn http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~waskcgs/index.html George Waller wrote: > Hi Pat, > Thanks for your help. > > Here is the page which doesn't work: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ctmanshs/hunting_lodge_rd_156/hunting_lodge_rd_156_web.htm > it has the following include: > <!--#include virtual="/00_ssi/banner.htm" --> > > BTW, I can make it work with: > <!--#include virtual="../00_ssi/banner.htm" --> > > Both hope to refer to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ctmanshs/00_ssi/banner.htm > > which contains: > <p align=left><a href="http://www.mansfieldct-history.org/"> > <img src="../00_images/banner.jpg" alt="Banner" align="bottom" width="100%" > height="175" border="0"></a></p> > > What I would like to hear is what subdirectory to subdirectory include do > others use successfully. I am trying to find an include which works both in > RootsWeb Apache > and Windows IIS. So far nobody has told me what kind of include they use > for ssi on RootsWeb. > > Thanks, George

At 03:50 PM 1/19/2010, you wrote: >If I just used the #color, then how would the line be written in the CSS >where you wrote the color first then URL ("image.jpg'); > >I don't know how to change it. > >And, I still have an inkling that if all images failed, my content/typing >might be sitting on maroon--- am I correct? or wrong? Every time frontpage >opens my page, I look closely and it looks to me like maroon might be >loading as the page's main background. >If I'm right that it is loading red (if everything else failed) where do I >change that color in the CSS? How do I "shut off" everything in the CSS >just to see what the main page color will be? background: #515457 url('../images/gray-bg.jpg'); or background-color: #515457; You need to make sure that the background color that goes along with the image is the same share as the image so if you use a dark background image use a color that is close to it. If it is a light colored image then choose a light color or white. One way to check is to deliberately turn off images which is easy to do with the webdeveloper toolbar. Right now, if I turn off images on this page http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pawashin/z_testing_css_2nd-try.htm everything is maroon which was the color of the original background you used when I first did the page for you. This is the style that controls the inner container with a background color added of white. Change to what you want. #inner { margin: 15px auto 15px auto; width: 99%; background: #ffffff url('wbeige_3rd.jpg');/*pinkish*/; padding: 10px; border: 2px ridge #999999; } The style sheet was commented so you should be able to see what controls what. pat

If I just used the #color, then how would the line be written in the CSS where you wrote the color first then URL ("image.jpg'); I don't know how to change it. And, I still have an inkling that if all images failed, my content/typing might be sitting on maroon--- am I correct? or wrong? Every time frontpage opens my page, I look closely and it looks to me like maroon might be loading as the page's main background. If I'm right that it is loading red (if everything else failed) where do I change that color in the CSS? How do I "shut off" everything in the CSS just to see what the main page color will be? Judy On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Pat Geary <pat@the-gearys.com> wrote: > At 03:32 AM 1/19/2010, J.A. Florian wrote: > >Also for the innermost, I added a #color to the comment just to save it. > >But I don't know IF a color specification is supposed to be in this > section > >(or not). What happens if the beige image on the inner content area > fails-- > >which color will show then? i.e. I used a dark #color for the outermost > and > >middle layers, so I'm thinking that is a mistake?? > ============ > Question: Since the "red" layer and the inner layer are solid colors, > why are you bothering with an image anyway? > Why not just use the matching colors to start with and you have two > less images to load. > > red layer = #630002 > beige layer = #F5EFD9 > > Pat > >

At 01:23 PM 1/19/2010, J.A. Florian wrote: >MY problem with ANY color pickers is knowing what "matches", or "goes >together", or "looks good together". I do know what colors I **prefer** >(beige, a certain maroon but not red, hunter greens but no other greens, and >pastels but not blues). ============= Another thing to remember is that not all monitors are going to render the colors the same. With four computers in our home, not one of them renders a site in the exact same shades of the colors I am using. And I doubt that most people have calibrated their monitors. So I use this site http://slayeroffice.com/tools/color_palette/ to plug in a color I want to use and get the various shades of that color or http://www.colourlovers.com/ to give me a color palette based on a color number I do like or this one http://buildinternet.com/tag/colourlovers/ http://kuler.adobe.com/#themes/mostpopular?time=30 or http://www.colorcombos.com/combolibrary.html I will occasionally use an image for the body backgound (usually a gradient image) but for the rest of the backgrounds I use color numbers. This is a great site for backgrounds and combination of backgrounds. pat ---------- Pat Geary, Microsoft MVP - Expression Web We discuss FrontPage and Expression Web http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/frontpage/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/expression-web/ http://www.expression-web-tutorials.com/ Migrating from FrontPage to Expression Web EBook Revised to include EW 3.0 http://frontpage-to-expression.com/

MY problem with ANY color pickers is knowing what "matches", or "goes together", or "looks good together". I do know what colors I **prefer** (beige, a certain maroon but not red, hunter greens but no other greens, and pastels but not blues). I can't pick shades well. I must have tried 30 different "maroon-like" colors, only to realize each looked more like "firey red" than really being maroon. Then, I tried so many colors I thought were light enough "beige" only to have each be more "brown-beige" than I wanted. Hence, I rely on images where I can really see the color I'm seeking. But, I could also pick 3 images I *think* match only to realize later that they look terrible together. If I went to a store, I'd have to put 2 colored items beside/on top of each other in natural light to tell whether they "go together" and even then I wouldn't feel sure. Not color blind but something like "shades blind"? So, if I have a background with print or pattern, such as what I have on this page, I don't know what solid colors to pick to go with that pattern. Most color pickers do an array of what's considered matching --- but the color array does not match the colors I have in my head as a preference. Not sure I've explained this well, but I just wouldn't make a good interior designer with being unable to pick matching shades of colors. LOL I'd have a houseful of solid colors I like, rather than shadings of complimentary colors. Doesn't anyone else have a similar problem with using color wheels, etc.? Judy On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Patricia Geary <patgeary@comcast.net>wrote: > At 03:32 AM 1/19/2010, J.A. Florian wrote: > >3. BIG issue-- what #colors go with the colored-images I used? If my > images > >fail, I need the background colors to be there, but I'm not sure I picked > >good #colors. I'm not color blind, but I can't tell shade differences > very > >well. Can someone check my colors, and tell me what #colors I should use > in > >each layer? > ============ > For anyone using Firefox, there is an addon that I find particularly > helpful in doing just this. Colorzilla http://www.colorzilla.com/firefox/ > > once installed you can click it, hover over an image or any part of > it and select the color number. I use it all of the time for background > colors. > > Pat >

At 03:32 AM 1/19/2010, J.A. Florian wrote: >Also for the innermost, I added a #color to the comment just to save it. >But I don't know IF a color specification is supposed to be in this section >(or not). What happens if the beige image on the inner content area fails-- >which color will show then? i.e. I used a dark #color for the outermost and >middle layers, so I'm thinking that is a mistake?? ============ Question: Since the "red" layer and the inner layer are solid colors, why are you bothering with an image anyway? Why not just use the matching colors to start with and you have two less images to load. red layer = #630002 beige layer = #F5EFD9 Pat