numbers of lines meant nothing. It is the KB size of the page. Should keep to around 50-60 kb. 75 kb is too much. David Samuelsen Linda Darling wrote: > > Hi All, > > I'm a beginner at making webpages -- haven't uploaded yet, but getting > close! <g> > I have a couple of questions. > > I have a database with 538 lines of text. Is this too large -- should I > break it down into a few pages?? > > When using the guestbook, counter, logo, etc. from Rootsweb and it says to > Insert the Code, > where exactly does one do this?? (no laughing, please!!) ;-) > I'm using Netscape Composer for my webpage. There is something called > "Edit HTML" and a box opens with all the code. Is this where I would > insert it? I just want to make certain. If it wasn't the right place, and > I had to go back to remove the code -- well, that could end up being > disastrous!! > Or my other thought was, do you just put the code right on your working page??j > > Thanks for any advice! > Linda > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

In a message dated 6/15/2001 11:23:07 PM Central Daylight Time, betsym@1starnet.com writes: Thanks Betsy for answering my question. > Of course you may! That is what they are in there for! > > Betsy > RootsWeb Staff > Sincerely, Renee Pierce Smelley Longview, Texas <A HREF="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~yarbrough/index.htm">Renee's Family Genealogy</A> <A HREF="http://jsyarchives.homestead.com/">John Swanson Yarbrough Archives</A> <A HREF="http://www.topsitelists.com/homestead/RSmelley/">Top 100 Online Cemetery Transcriptions</A> <A HREF="http://2ndtexascavalry.homestead.com/">2nd Texas Cavalry Company K</A> - Do you know any of these men?

I have a question. I am currently using the genealogy section at my rootsweb free pages.(freepages.genealogy.rootsweb) Am I restricted to just using the genealogy section with my free pages. I also have a Archive site that I am moving to free pages as well as a Confederate Calvary site. Can I put these other sites in the History and Military sections at freepages? Before I try I wanted to ask this question. I sure wouldn't want to go back to genealogy and find that my current uploaded pages were deleated from that section. Sincerely, Renee Pierce Smelley Longview, Texas <A HREF="http://rsmelleygenealogy.homestead.com/">Renee's Homestead & Family Genealogy Site</A> <A HREF="http://jsyarchives.homestead.com/">John Swanson Yarbrough Archives</A> <A HREF="http://www.topsitelists.com/homestead/RSmelley/">Top 100 Online Cemetery Transcriptions</A> <A HREF="http://2ndtexascavalry.homestead.com/">2nd Texas Cavalry Company K</A> - Do you know any of these men?

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that depends. Come in 3 ways. 1. How wide left to right? 2. How long top to bottom? 3. How much information on one page? (too much can bloat a page easily) David Samuelsen Sharon L Fakkema wrote: > > Hi all, > > I need some minor help. Someone (who teaches WS_FTP) is helping me to > figure out why I can't up load changes to my web page. She has asked me > to find out the size of my web page. So, how is this done? Does > Rootsweb limit me to a certain size for main page as well as for any > additional pages created as part of the main page? > > I hope this makes sense!! > > Sharon > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Sharon - What does WS_FTP say/do when you attempt to upload? Does the listing (file names and dates) on the Rootsweb window (on the right) change or remain the same? Gloria --------- At 06:02 PM 6/14/01 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I need some minor help. Someone (who teaches WS_FTP) is helping me to >figure out why I can't up load changes to my web page. She has asked me >to find out the size of my web page. So, how is this done? Does >Rootsweb limit me to a certain size for main page as well as for any >additional pages created as part of the main page? > >I hope this makes sense!! > >Sharon > > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Hi all, I need some minor help. Someone (who teaches WS_FTP) is helping me to figure out why I can't up load changes to my web page. She has asked me to find out the size of my web page. So, how is this done? Does Rootsweb limit me to a certain size for main page as well as for any additional pages created as part of the main page? I hope this makes sense!! Sharon

Leigh, With all due respect, this issue is not just for those that maintain a mail list. I have had the same problems on my GenWeb site. It applies to wherever there is an e-mail address registered. And, the only way that it can be prevented is for the webmaster to refuse any MSN e-mail addresses to be posted on the website. This is pretty severe solution, but MSN is a problem for webmasters too! - Ron Dailey Webmaster Floyd County VAGenWeb P.S. - By the way, Leigh, thanks for the info on how MSN e-mail works! I use to be an MSN subscriber and even then I didn't understand some of the things they did. -----Original Message----- From: Leigh Compton [mailto:elsi@augustmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 7:05 PM To: RootsWeb-Help-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RW-Help] MSN email I just forwarded Diane's note to this list --- because it bounced to me with a subject line of Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [RW-Help] MSN email for the exact reason she mentions. MSN inserts additional information into the 'from' header. From: "dgonthier" <dgonthier@email.msn.com> Now -- there's two ways to approach this. 1) The MSN subscriber can contact every list administrator and ask that his/her "alternate" address of userid@email.msn.com be added to the *accept list* 2) The MSN subscriber can set up his e-mail program with an explicit "reply to" address of userid@msn.com -- preferably before subscribing to any RootsWeb mailing list. Well, I overlooked a third option -- the list administrator can forward any messages which bounce with the {not a subscriber} tag in the subject. Howver, now that I've discussed this here, I'd like everyone to take discussion of list administration to listowners-L or newbie-listowners-L and use this list for it's stated purpose of assisting folks with webmastering at RootsWeb. Thanks, Leigh ______________________________

where are the Freepages Agreements? I don't seem to find it in order to read about the links. David Samuelsen "Betsy Mills (by way of Leigh Compton )" wrote: > > Hi Cheryl! > > Thanks for finally helping me understand where folks were getting that > misunderstanding. No, that is not what that means. It means IF you are > using affiliate links (the kind that pay you for folks who click on the > link), then you should only link to Ancestry/MyFamily affiliates. > > Your links to other websites are not included in this at all. If you don't > mind, do check out the new wording for that part of the Agreements and let > me know if I have made that any clearer or not. > > Thanks! > Betsy > RootsWeb Staff > > At 11:00 AM 6/13/01, you wrote: > >On the RW page describing Freepages, it specifically says that from > >Freepages one may only link to Ancestry/MyFamily affiliates. > > > >This would imply that no one using Freepages can link to, say, National > >Genealogical Society, or FamilySearch.com, or EllisIsland.com ??? Or is > >there subtext I'm not seeing? > > > >Thanks. > > > >Cheryl > >*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* > >Cheryl Singhal (Singhals@erols.com) > > > >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cpafug/ > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvhampsh/ > >http://www.capaccess.org/com/troop763/ > >http://www.fortunecity.com/millennium/blyton/772/ (Bottony Cross DAR) > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~cresap/ > >http://members.fortunecity.com/csinghal1/ (Joanna Waddill UDC) > > > > > > > > > >============================== > >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > >Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query!

Hi Cheryl! Thanks for finally helping me understand where folks were getting that misunderstanding. No, that is not what that means. It means IF you are using affiliate links (the kind that pay you for folks who click on the link), then you should only link to Ancestry/MyFamily affiliates. Your links to other websites are not included in this at all. If you don't mind, do check out the new wording for that part of the Agreements and let me know if I have made that any clearer or not. Thanks! Betsy RootsWeb Staff At 11:00 AM 6/13/01, you wrote: >On the RW page describing Freepages, it specifically says that from >Freepages one may only link to Ancestry/MyFamily affiliates. > >This would imply that no one using Freepages can link to, say, National >Genealogical Society, or FamilySearch.com, or EllisIsland.com ??? Or is >there subtext I'm not seeing? > >Thanks. > >Cheryl >*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* >Cheryl Singhal (Singhals@erols.com) > >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cpafug/ >http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvhampsh/ >http://www.capaccess.org/com/troop763/ >http://www.fortunecity.com/millennium/blyton/772/ (Bottony Cross DAR) >http://www.rootsweb.com/~cresap/ >http://members.fortunecity.com/csinghal1/ (Joanna Waddill UDC) > > > > >============================== >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp >Search over 2500 databases with one easy query!

I will try this again as I may not have explained by Web Site construction under Web Express that has not been published to Free pages at RootsWeb. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ REF. [folder] means folder icon which is a directory {or Sub Directory} [e] means a web page ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Problem: The .gifs for the Guestbook to not appear on the assigned spot in the Roots Web Guestbook ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Structure: [folder] Windsor and Hunt Families Genealogy [folder] images { all .gifs req'd of the guest book , jpgs, and midi files req'd for the Web Site} [ e ] index [ e] guest book [ e ] surnames [ e ] photos Please not that when testing with IE5.5, that the pages work as they should BUT the guest book .gifs are not in their proper assigned "boxes" Any suggestion, as I do have the correct .gifs in the sub directory folder call "images" ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Another question: Is it better upload the Site with the surnames html files or would it be better to upload the surnames html AFTER the site is uploaded ? Thanks Duane Windsor Carson City, NV duanewin@gateway.net

I just forwarded Diane's note to this list --- because it bounced to me with a subject line of Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [RW-Help] MSN email for the exact reason she mentions. MSN inserts additional information into the 'from' header. From: "dgonthier" <dgonthier@email.msn.com> Now -- there's two ways to approach this. 1) The MSN subscriber can contact every list administrator and ask that his/her "alternate" address of userid@email.msn.com be added to the *accept list* 2) The MSN subscriber can set up his e-mail program with an explicit "reply to" address of userid@msn.com -- preferably before subscribing to any RootsWeb mailing list. Well, I overlooked a third option -- the list administrator can forward any messages which bounce with the {not a subscriber} tag in the subject. Howver, now that I've discussed this here, I'd like everyone to take discussion of list administration to listowners-L or newbie-listowners-L and use this list for it's stated purpose of assisting folks with webmastering at RootsWeb. Thanks, Leigh

Hello, As an MSN user, trust me, this is an MSN problem not a matter of msn users not knowing how to use e-mail correctly. I've set up an alternate address at yahoo.com so that I can receive e-mail without problems. And, expect no assistance or response from MSN. Those of us who PAY for MSN service can't even get the courtesy of a reply. Needless to say, I will soon be an ex-MSN customer but I've tried hard to resolve the issue because I hate to give up an e-mail address I've used for 3 years. So, please have patience if you administer a rootsweb mailing list and are having problems with MSN subscribers. It's highly probable that they are just as frustrated as you are. Diane DGonthier@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "W. David Samuelsen" <dsam@sampubco.com> To: <RootsWeb-Help-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [RW-Help] MSN email > I have problem with EXPIRED email.msn.com addresses. > > and those that have only @msn.com is worse. Some don't know how > to use hotmail.com correctly. > > David Samuelsen > > Jack & Addie Morrissey wrote: > > > > Good evening, > > Can anyone tell me why all the subscribers to my lists using MSN have > > their email bounced? This has been an ongoing problem for a month now and > > MSN has yet to reply to any of my messages. I just sent the 4th one to them? > > Is MSN having conflict (server) issues with Rootsweb? Are there settings > > that anyone is aware of that can prevent this from continuing? > > > > Thank you, > > Addie > > > > ============================== > > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >

On the RW page describing Freepages, it specifically says that from Freepages one may only link to Ancestry/MyFamily affiliates. This would imply that no one using Freepages can link to, say, National Genealogical Society, or FamilySearch.com, or EllisIsland.com ??? Or is there subtext I'm not seeing? Thanks. Cheryl *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* Cheryl Singhal (Singhals@erols.com) http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cpafug/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvhampsh/ http://www.capaccess.org/com/troop763/ http://www.fortunecity.com/millennium/blyton/772/ (Bottony Cross DAR) http://www.rootsweb.com/~cresap/ http://members.fortunecity.com/csinghal1/ (Joanna Waddill UDC)

I want to thank everyone for thier Help. Below is what Pat Asher wrote and the information is correct. I spent all day yesterday working with the raw html and finally figured it out. By the time I get really good at doing this I will probably be able to purchase a HTML editor. Anyway, this has certainly made me have to brush up on my html again. Thanks again for all the suggestions. It has been truly appreciated. For those that would like to now see what my page looks like you can view it at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~yarbrough/index.htm The links are still broken and I still have a way to go before this is all up and running. Sincerely, Renee Pierce Smelley Longview, Texas <A HREF="http://rsmelleygenealogy.homestead.com/">Renee's Homestead & Family Genealogy Site</A> <A HREF="http://jsyarchives.homestead.com/">John Swanson Yarbrough Archives</A> <A HREF="http://www.topsitelists.com/homestead/RSmelley/">Top 100 Online Cemetery Transcriptions</A> <A HREF="http://2ndtexascavalry.homestead.com/">2nd Texas Cavalry Company K</A> - Do you know any of these men? In a message dated 6/13/2001 10:37:58 AM Central Daylight Time, pasher@ee.net writes: > XML usually separates the SRC attribute from the IMG tag, so the easiest way > to find the code you need to change is to open the XML in your text editor, > and search for *src=*. The URL of the image will immediately follow the SRC >

> Does anyone use 2000 to create their pages at Rootsweb's Freepages? > How are you getting your images to show up? I know that there is a problem > with the HTML Code and that is what I need to fix. XML usually separates the SRC attribute from the IMG tag, so the easiest way to find the code you need to change is to open the XML in your text editor, and search for *src=*. The URL of the image will immediately follow the SRC tag. Pat Asher

Hi! MSN and Hotmail have the option to block mail sent to multiple receipents. That is to avoid junkmail. Kelly

Mostly it is just that MSN, like AOL, just are not very user friendly. Since they have gone to "web based" e-mail, the whole e-mail system has had problems. AOL and MSN for some reason think that having absolute control over everyone's every move on their site is desirable. I for one disagree with them. Hopefully the other ISP's will be able to stay in business long enough for the majority of the public to get wise to AOL and MSN and their shortcomings. As far as what we can do as webmasters, I don't think there is very much we can do. When I get bounce notices, especially like the ones you describe, I promptly delete the e-mail address from the query, etc. That isn't a very good solution, but I tell those that come back and complain about it that they should take it up with their ISP (AOL or MSN, or whoever) - and maybe think seriously of changing ISP's. Good Luck! - Ron -----Original Message----- From: Jack & Addie Morrissey [mailto:cuznsrus@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 9:58 PM To: RootsWeb-Help-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [RW-Help] MSN email Good evening, Can anyone tell me why all the subscribers to my lists using MSN have their email bounced? This has been an ongoing problem for a month now and MSN has yet to reply to any of my messages. I just sent the 4th one to them? Is MSN having conflict (server) issues with Rootsweb? Are there settings that anyone is aware of that can prevent this from continuing? Thank you, Addie ______________________________

Well, this might help somewhat - I occasionally use MS Office for one of my non-genealogy web sites, perhaps to get some document converted quick and easy. I choose to use MS Office 97 over MS Office 2000, because it generates simpler code and I can read it easily. MS Office 2000 generates more complicated code - uses styles sheets, sometimes "Frames", and so on, and doesn't always show up on other non-MS browsers. So if I don't want to code something directly, and want to generate simple code to deal with (which is most of the time), I stick with Office 97. I looked at your web site but your images are buried in that insane code, so beyond me. The usual problems with images are 1) names not spelled right /or right case and 2) not uploading as binary files. Good luck! Gloria At 04:26 PM 6/12/01 -0400, you wrote: >Hello, > I am new to the list and I am having a problem. I am using Microsoft >Office 2000 to create my htm webpages. I have uploaded all of the images and >the background to my freepage account, but the images are not showing up on >the webpage. > I had microsoft office 97 before and had sucessfully learned how to >change the raw HTML so that I could sucessfully add photos to my pages. I >however do not understand the HTML coding in 2000. > Does anyone use 2000 to create their pages at Rootsweb's Freepages? >How are you getting your images to show up? I know that there is a problem >with the HTML Code and that is what I need to fix. > >You can view my page at >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~yarbrough/main.htm > >Sincerely, >Renee Pierce Smelley >Longview, Texas > <A HREF="http://rsmelleygenealogy.homestead.com/">Renee's Homestead & > Family Genealogy Site</A> > <A HREF="http://jsyarchives.homestead.com/">John Swanson Yarbrough > Archives</A> > <A HREF="http://www.topsitelists.com/homestead/RSmelley/">Top 100 Online > Cemetery Transcriptions</A> > <A HREF="http://2ndtexascavalry.homestead.com/">2nd Texas Cavalry > Company K</A> - Do you know any of these men? > > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB