THE BEST suggestion I ever got to keep spammers OUT of my guestbook is to not use "guestbook" in the name of the file (like guestbook.html). Rename it ANYTHING but guestbook. Robots search for that specific file to make automated entries. Here are some ideas for naming::: gb.html (or htm) guesbk.html guessbook.html (gueSS - play on words & deliberate misspelling) mymomma.html welikeyou.html whatever.html ALL you MUST do is go into the code inside the webpages where your guestbook is set up and RENAME it there too! I got tons of spam before when I had guestbook.htm NOW I get zilch. Judy On 11/16/06, Jean R. Legried <[email protected]> wrote: > > This may be a naive question but is there a way to eliminate spam and > porn being entered into guestbooks? Our local genealogical and > historical societies both have had a problem with multiple entries in > their guestbooks. > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > Jean R. Legried, CG > [email protected] > > -- ~PRIMARY NAMES: ANTHONY, BAKER, FLOWERS, LANE, SEPTER~ Washington Co PA free Websites: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~florian http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~florian County Coordinator for http://www.rootsweb.com/~pawashin/ Researchers of Washington County PA, join our map: http://www.frappr.com/researchingwashingtoncopa Steve Irwin Warriors please sign map at: http://www.frappr.com/steveirwinwarriors

"Dale H. Cook" <[email protected]> said: >The only way to get really clean code is to write it by hand, but >that requires a web page designer who understands HTML, equipped with >a tool such as a customized programmer's editor. All you need is the notepad tool that comes with pretty much any operating system. I showed my sister-in-law how to create a web page in about five minutes. When I used to work for a living as a technical writer I was responsible for maintaing the department web page on the corporate website. In order to connect with the server I had to use FrontPage, but I cheated. I would open a FrontPage editor window and a Notepad window. I would create my HTML code in Notepad and then cut and paste it into the FrontPage window and then submit it. When I first started creating genealogical web pages on the Internet, I didn't even have a computer. I had a DECmate word processor with a character cell display monitor and a modem. I would create my pages and upload them to the server. I could check them out with a LYNX browser on the character-cell terminal to make sure it was OK. Then I would go to a public Library to see how it looked in Windows. If I wanted to tweak the colors or the layout, I would open up a telnet session from the Library computer, tweak the code, and refresh the page until I got it the way I wanted it. People would ask me what sort of editor I used for the web pages and I would say "See these two fingers?" -dja

This may be a naive question but is there a way to eliminate spam and porn being entered into guestbooks? Our local genealogical and historical societies both have had a problem with multiple entries in their guestbooks. Thanks for any suggestions. Jean R. Legried, CG <[email protected]> -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/535 - Release Date: 11/15/2006

Here is a good script to do the username & password http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex9/password.htm Matt Matthew D. Friend An American Portrait - The Friend Family http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~friends1995/ [email protected] >From: Richard Roitman <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Members Only Section >Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:18:35 -0800 (PST) > >Does anyone know if I can create a members only, >password protected (presumably) area of our >genealogical society website? If so, instructions >would be nice so this novice web master can do it. > >Thanks in advance. > >Rick > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Fixing up the home? Live Search can help http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=WLMTAG

Here is another old free wysiwyg software program that I have been using for many years. AOLPress is a simple as any word processor and can be downloaded from: http://www.daviestrek.com/software/aolpress/ To see our page produced with AOLPress: http://www.rootsweb.com/~vavbgs/ Regards, John A. Halstead [email protected]

If you are using the Rootsweb Guestbook, go to this URL to remove the unwanted entries. http://resources.rootsweb.com/~guestbook/cgi-bin/delete_record.cgi Matt Matthew D. Friend An American Portrait - The Friend Family http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~friends1995/ [email protected] >From: "Jean R. Legried" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Spam filtering >Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:34:29 -0600 > >This may be a naive question but is there a way to eliminate spam and >porn being entered into guestbooks? Our local genealogical and >historical societies both have had a problem with multiple entries in >their guestbooks. > >Thanks for any suggestions. > >Jean R. Legried, CG ><[email protected]> > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/535 - Release Date: 11/15/2006 > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC.  Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail

I have found these steps to be invaluable: 1. Learn the basics of HTML and CSS. Why? See step 2. WYSIWYG editors are fine to start, but your goal should be to wean yourself of them ASAP. 2. Steal unashamedly! When you see something you admire in someone else's page, look at the source to see how it's done. 3. Avoid flashy gewgaws. (the KISS principle) Particularly if they require JavaScript.. Particularly if they involve music. Particularly if they are supported by only one browser. 4. Validate. It's fast. It's free. It's easy. You can't expect browsers to render your pages as you want if they are not properly constructed. Never use (or don't rely on) a browser as your validator. HTML: http://validator.w3.org/ CSS: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/ As usual, there are many routes to success. I have found these principles to have worked well for me. -- Regards, Rod Dav4is / P.O. Box 118 / Hyde Park, NY 12538 / USA Genealogy, et Cetera: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dav4is/ 457 ancestral & collateral families, mostly 17°-19° century New England & European roots. Total population: 109,800+ Annex: http://www.gencircles.com/users/dav4is/ email: [email protected] Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. -The Wizard Of Oz

USABILITY see Jakob Nielsen http://www.useit.com/alertbox/ Which of the almost 1,200 documented Web usability guidelines are most important? Jakob focuses on the key insights into people's website behavior and on the resulting top guidelines for making your website easier and more enjoyable to use. Understanding these general principles will help you think through design problems, as well as analyze usability challenges specific to your own project. enjoy Hughb W On 11/16/06, Michael <[email protected]> wrote: > Doug, et al- > > The single best site I've found is located at the following URL. > It contains virtually everything you'll need on HTML, CSS > and more involved projects. Enjoy. > > http://www.w3schools.com/default.asp > > Michael > > > <--------------------------------------------> > -Webmaster for the New York State Biographies Project: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nybiog/ > -Webmaster for the Sauk Co. Wisconsin American History and Genealogy Project > (AHGP) http://www.rootsweb.com/~wisauk2/ > -Webmaster for the Sauk Co. Wisconsin Biographies Project: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiscbio/ > -Webmaster for the Richland Co. Wisconsin Biographies Project: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiricbio/ > -Webmaster for the Door County Wisconsin American History and Genealogy > Project (AHGP) (site under construction) at http://www.rootsweb.com/~widoor/ > -Moderator for the Rootsweb Burdick Seventh Day Baptist mailing list: > [email protected] > -Moderator for the Rootsweb Concannon mailing list: [email protected] > -Administrator of the Rootsweb Burdick Message Board: > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.burdick > -Administrator of the Rootsweb Hoxie Message Board: > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.hoxie > -Adm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Beta blogger http://nanowrimo3.blogspot.com/ visiting my past http://hughw36-2.blogspot.com/ re-entry http://snaps4.blogspot.com/" photographs and walks old blogger http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

HATCHER website: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/faq.htm HATCHER DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hatDNA.htm HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm Researching: Cook, Hall, Hatcher, Miller, Shepherd, Timberman "Genealogy without Documentation is Nothing" - Paul Drake Della wrote: "It is the simplest program I have ever found for anyone that wants to build websites and doesn't know how or doesn't know any html". I hesitated to overstress the simplicity of FPE because I WAS a retired computer programmer when I got into genealogy. And before I discovered FPE, I learned basic HTML and was coding my pages from scratch. The language was quick and easy for me to learn since I saw similarities to computer languages I had used in my working life. That background also made it easier for me to quickly understand FPE. But that may not be true for someone with NO experience. But if Della, who admits to no computer languages experience, found FPE easy, I'd say her opinion carries more weight than mine. Nel

At 04:16 PM 11/15/2006, Glenn Gilbert wrote: >Does Frontpage Express produce "clean HTML" or is it littered with >proprietary M$ extensions? Express, though no longer supported, does produce much cleaner code than FP. With FPE it is still important, however, to keep things simple, to insure that: 1) You don't try to use features that are not supported by the RootsWeb servers 2) You don't clutter pages with effects that may "look pretty" but which do not contribute to the purpose of a RootsWeb page - i.e., the dissemination of genealogical information. The only way to get really clean code is to write it by hand, but that requires a web page designer who understands HTML, equipped with a tool such as a customized programmer's editor. For those who do not wish to or need to master HTML themselves, FPE is a viable alternative as long as one does not demand too much from it. Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project http://members.cox.net/plymouthcolony/index.shtml

Well guys I don't know how outdated Frontpage express might be nor do I really care. It is the simplest program I have ever found for anyone that wants to build websites and doesn't know how or doesn't know any html. Stones webwriter is the best program I have found for editing those webpages Core FTP is simply I like it <grin>. Check out these websites that are just a couple of my several websites. All build with Frontpage express, maintained with Frontpage Express and Stones Webwriter, and all put online with Core Ftp at rootsweb. And I don't know a single thing about html except what I have learned from maintaining my websites on Stones. http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyclay2/ Clay County KyGenWeb http://www.freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sizemoregenealogy/ a nice personal genealogy family website Plus I have the Whitley County and Leslie County Ky AHGP sites A Monhollen Family Research Website Assistant Coordinator to the McCreary County KyGenWeb and I built half or more of those pages there as I used to be the Coordinator until I traded for Clay County. I also help maintain the state of Kentucky counties on AHGP as I am the Assistant State Coordinator. And all with those three simple programs that when I started I never knew anything about building webpages! So I recommend all three programs to anyone who likes those two websites or any of the others. Della Goodin [email protected] wrote: Today's Topics: 1. If you need help putting up or building webpages here is answer (della) 2. Re: If you need help putting up or building webpages here is answer (Glenn Gilbert) 3. Re: If you need help putting up or building webpages here is answer (Patricia Geary) 4. Re: If you need help putting up or building webpages here is answer (Jeff Owens) 5. Re: If you need help putting up or building webpages here is answer (nelhatch) 6. Re: web page design (Jim Rickenbacker(3)) 7. Re: web page design (Doug & Ruth Poole) 8. Members Only Section (Richard Roitman) 9. web page design (Michael) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:34:01 -0800 (PST) From: della Subject: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] If you need help putting up or building webpages here is answer To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 You can download for free frontpage express. It works just like microsoft word. No html is needed at all. The buttons at the top are almost just like words. just type in at your browser window: free frontpage express and go into it and download it! Build your page on this just like you were building a microsoft word page almost and hit save. Another tool I find helpful is Stones Webwriter. You can get it free too. Again go to your browser window and type in Free English Version Stones Webwriter. And simply download it. This program lets you see your built page as is and in html. With this program you can also learn html easily, and make changes to your webpages with copy and paste much easier! Need a good free ftp? Try Core FTP! Again go to your browser type in: Free Core Ftp and download it for free! Assistant State Coordinator for KY AHGP: http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyahgp/ CC for Whitley County KY AHGP: http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyahgp/whitley/index.htm CC for Clay County KyGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyclay2/ CC for Leslie County KY AHGP: http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyahgp/leslie/index.htm Webmaster for Sizemore Genealogy Research Website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sizemoregenealogy/index.htm Webmaster for Monhollen Genealogy Research Website: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~sizemoregenealogy/ --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:16:59 -0800 From: Glenn Gilbert Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] If you need help putting up or building webpages here is answer To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Does Frontpage Express produce "clean HTML" or is it littered with proprietary M$ extensions? According to Webmasters FAQ: "RootsWeb does not presently support Microsoft Front Page 98 extensions." http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/wizards/webmasters.html#msfp98 I'd assume current versions of Frontpage use propriety extensions as well. della wrote: > You can download for free frontpage express. It works just like microsoft word. No html is needed at all. The buttons at the top are almost just like words. just type in at your browser window: free frontpage express and go into it and download it! Build your page on this just like you were building a microsoft word page almost and hit save. > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:51:48 -0500 From: Patricia Geary Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] If you need help putting up or building webpages here is answer To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]hia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:16 PM 11/15/2006, you wrote: >Does Frontpage Express produce "clean HTML" or is it littered with >proprietary M$ extensions? >According to Webmasters FAQ: "RootsWeb does not presently support >Microsoft Front Page 98 extensions." >http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/wizards/webmasters.html#msfp98 >I'd assume current versions of Frontpage use propriety extensions as well. ================snip======= I can not speak for fp express and I would question using such an outdated program when newer free programs are available BUT FrontPage will create clean compliant code if used correctly. You have to know what to use and what not to use. If you use the navigation features and the themes and the phot gallery among others, FP will create code that will not validate. If you know your program - be it frontpage, expression web, dreamweaver or whatever - the code you create will validate easily. This site http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/ as are all my sites, were created with frontpage and/or Expression Web. They validate. pat ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:55:26 -0500 From: Jeff Owens Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] If you need help putting up or building webpages here is answer To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Wow, going back to anything from 1998 is a stretch. Microsoft in general has always used extensions and scrpts that don't play on everybody's server or browser software. The application here for a beginner's web site doesn't really pertain to these much higher generation concerns. Today we have XML, SHTML, etc. all far much more than original HTML 4.0 which is fine for a genealogy web site. I used Front Page Express for years. It came with earlier MS bundles. It didn't come with Win XP. It isn't supported anymore by MS, the last time I checked their site. Obviously, they found it far more profitable to sell the full version of Front Page. I think you could use Front Page Express and produce a page that works. You could also explore some of the many free downloads you can find by searching. As in all things on the internet, nothing is 100% intuitive. Web site construction does involve a learning curve, and some study of the principles behind the software. Good luck in setting up your site, Jeff Owens Glenn Gilbert wrote: >Does Frontpage Express produce "clean HTML" or is it littered with >proprietary M$ extensions? >According to Webmasters FAQ: "RootsWeb does not presently support >Microsoft Front Page 98 extensions." >http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/wizards/webmasters.html#msfp98 >I'd assume current versions of Frontpage use propriety extensions as well. > >della wrote: > > >>You can download for free frontpage express. It works just like microsoft word. No html is needed at all. The buttons at the top are almost just like words. just type in at your browser window: free frontpage express and go into it and download it! Build your page on this just like you were building a microsoft word page almost and hit save. >> >> >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:08:08 -0700 From: "nelhatch" Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] If you need help putting up or building webpages here is answer To: Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original HATCHER website: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/faq.htm HATCHER DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hatDNA.htm HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm Researching: Cook, Hall, Hatcher, Miller, Shepherd, Timberman "Genealogy without Documentation is Nothing" - Paul Drake I have also been using FP Express for years. When I saw what the "new improved" FP generated in the way of "code", creating excessive code that produced a page 3X the size as that produced by an FPE page, I stuck with FPE and still use it. While I agree that any software requires a learning curve, I found FPE relatively simple to use and since I like working on the KISS principle, I'll stay with it......... Nel ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:25:01 -0600 From: "Jim Rickenbacker\(3\)" Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] web page design To: Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Doug, If you can do data base design then web pages should not be too much of a problem. I have a small tutorial that may help get you started. Take a look at "HTML Editing" on this page: http://borisbrooks.com/comp/ The HTML tutorial referenced at the bottom of the HTML Editing page is an excellent one to take you further. Jim Rickenbacker Kingwood, TX Home Page: http://borisbrooks.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug & Ruth Poole" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] web page design >I am no where near getting it functioning. Trying to figure out how to > construct it. > My work has always been with data base design. Web page construction > is new to me. > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:36:33 -0500 From: "Doug & Ruth Poole" Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] web page design To: Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks for all the help. Today was several Doctors appointments. Tomorrow I will get this project done. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Rickenbacker(3) To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] web page design Doug, If you can do data base design then web pages should not be too much of a problem. I have a small tutorial that may help get you started. Take a look at "HTML Editing" on this page: http://borisbrooks.com/comp/ The HTML tutorial referenced at the bottom of the HTML Editing page is an excellent one to take you further. Jim Rickenbacker Kingwood, TX Home Page: http://borisbrooks.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug & Ruth Poole" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] web page design >I am no where near getting it functioning. Trying to figure out how to > construct it. > My work has always been with data base design. Web page construction > is new to me. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:18:35 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Roitman Subject: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] Members Only Section To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Does anyone know if I can create a members only, password protected (presumably) area of our genealogical society website? If so, instructions would be nice so this novice web master can do it. Thanks in advance. Rick ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:13:40 -0600 From: "Michael" Subject: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] web page design To: Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Doug, et al- The single best site I've found is located at the following URL. It contains virtually everything you'll need on HTML, CSS and more involved projects. Enjoy. http://www.w3schools.com/default.asp Michael <--------------------------------------------> -Webmaster for the New York State Biographies Project: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nybiog/ -Webmaster for the Sauk Co. Wisconsin American History and Genealogy Project (AHGP) http://www.rootsweb.com/~wisauk2/ -Webmaster for the Sauk Co. Wisconsin Biographies Project: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiscbio/ -Webmaster for the Richland Co. Wisconsin Biographies Project: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiricbio/ -Webmaster for the Door County Wisconsin American History and Genealogy Project (AHGP) (site under construction) at http://www.rootsweb.com/~widoor/ -Moderator for the Rootsweb Burdick Seventh Day Baptist mailing list: [email protected] -Moderator for the Rootsweb Concannon mailing list: [email protected] -Administrator of the Rootsweb Burdick Message Board: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.burdick -Administrator of the Rootsweb Hoxie Message Board: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.hoxie -Adm ------------------------------ To contact the ROOTSWEB-HELP list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the ROOTSWEB-HELP mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ROOTSWEB-HELP Digest, Vol 1, Issue 3 ******************************************* Assistant State Coordinator for KY AHGP: http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyahgp/ CC for Whitley County KY AHGP: http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyahgp/whitley/index.htm CC for Clay County KyGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyclay2/ CC for Leslie County KY AHGP: http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyahgp/leslie/index.htm Webmaster for Sizemore Genealogy Research Website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sizemoregenealogy/index.htm Webmaster for Monhollen Genealogy Research Website: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~sizemoregenealogy/ --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new house payment

Doug, et al- The single best site I've found is located at the following URL. It contains virtually everything you'll need on HTML, CSS and more involved projects. Enjoy. http://www.w3schools.com/default.asp Michael <--------------------------------------------> -Webmaster for the New York State Biographies Project: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nybiog/ -Webmaster for the Sauk Co. Wisconsin American History and Genealogy Project (AHGP) http://www.rootsweb.com/~wisauk2/ -Webmaster for the Sauk Co. Wisconsin Biographies Project: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiscbio/ -Webmaster for the Richland Co. Wisconsin Biographies Project: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiricbio/ -Webmaster for the Door County Wisconsin American History and Genealogy Project (AHGP) (site under construction) at http://www.rootsweb.com/~widoor/ -Moderator for the Rootsweb Burdick Seventh Day Baptist mailing list: [email protected] -Moderator for the Rootsweb Concannon mailing list: [email protected] -Administrator of the Rootsweb Burdick Message Board: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.burdick -Administrator of the Rootsweb Hoxie Message Board: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.hoxie -Adm

Thanks for all the help. Today was several Doctors appointments. Tomorrow I will get this project done. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Rickenbacker(3) To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] web page design Doug, If you can do data base design then web pages should not be too much of a problem. I have a small tutorial that may help get you started. Take a look at "HTML Editing" on this page: http://borisbrooks.com/comp/ The HTML tutorial referenced at the bottom of the HTML Editing page is an excellent one to take you further. Jim Rickenbacker Kingwood, TX Home Page: http://borisbrooks.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug & Ruth Poole" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] web page design >I am no where near getting it functioning. Trying to figure out how to > construct it. > My work has always been with data base design. Web page construction > is new to me. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Doug, If you can do data base design then web pages should not be too much of a problem. I have a small tutorial that may help get you started. Take a look at "HTML Editing" on this page: http://borisbrooks.com/comp/ The HTML tutorial referenced at the bottom of the HTML Editing page is an excellent one to take you further. Jim Rickenbacker Kingwood, TX Home Page: http://borisbrooks.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug & Ruth Poole" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] web page design >I am no where near getting it functioning. Trying to figure out how to > construct it. > My work has always been with data base design. Web page construction > is new to me. >

Does anyone know if I can create a members only, password protected (presumably) area of our genealogical society website? If so, instructions would be nice so this novice web master can do it. Thanks in advance. Rick

Wow, going back to anything from 1998 is a stretch. Microsoft in general has always used extensions and scrpts that don't play on everybody's server or browser software. The application here for a beginner's web site doesn't really pertain to these much higher generation concerns. Today we have XML, SHTML, etc. all far much more than original HTML 4.0 which is fine for a genealogy web site. I used Front Page Express for years. It came with earlier MS bundles. It didn't come with Win XP. It isn't supported anymore by MS, the last time I checked their site. Obviously, they found it far more profitable to sell the full version of Front Page. I think you could use Front Page Express and produce a page that works. You could also explore some of the many free downloads you can find by searching. As in all things on the internet, nothing is 100% intuitive. Web site construction does involve a learning curve, and some study of the principles behind the software. Good luck in setting up your site, Jeff Owens Glenn Gilbert wrote: >Does Frontpage Express produce "clean HTML" or is it littered with >proprietary M$ extensions? >According to Webmasters FAQ: "RootsWeb does not presently support >Microsoft Front Page 98 extensions." >http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/wizards/webmasters.html#msfp98 >I'd assume current versions of Frontpage use propriety extensions as well. > >della wrote: > > >>You can download for free frontpage express. It works just like microsoft word. No html is needed at all. The buttons at the top are almost just like words. just type in at your browser window: free frontpage express and go into it and download it! Build your page on this just like you were building a microsoft word page almost and hit save. >><snip> >> >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

At 04:16 PM 11/15/2006, you wrote: >Does Frontpage Express produce "clean HTML" or is it littered with >proprietary M$ extensions? >According to Webmasters FAQ: "RootsWeb does not presently support >Microsoft Front Page 98 extensions." >http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/wizards/webmasters.html#msfp98 >I'd assume current versions of Frontpage use propriety extensions as well. ================snip======= I can not speak for fp express and I would question using such an outdated program when newer free programs are available BUT FrontPage will create clean compliant code if used correctly. You have to know what to use and what not to use. If you use the navigation features and the themes and the phot gallery among others, FP will create code that will not validate. If you know your program - be it frontpage, expression web, dreamweaver or whatever - the code you create will validate easily. This site http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/ as are all my sites, were created with frontpage and/or Expression Web. They validate. pat

HATCHER website: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/faq.htm HATCHER DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hatDNA.htm HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm Researching: Cook, Hall, Hatcher, Miller, Shepherd, Timberman "Genealogy without Documentation is Nothing" - Paul Drake I have also been using FP Express for years. When I saw what the "new improved" FP generated in the way of "code", creating excessive code that produced a page 3X the size as that produced by an FPE page, I stuck with FPE and still use it. While I agree that any software requires a learning curve, I found FPE relatively simple to use and since I like working on the KISS principle, I'll stay with it......... Nel

Thank you for the explanation! It helped. On 11/15/06, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > In a message dated 11/15/2006 6:55:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Joan, > > Can you expand, if possible, on why it is a security issue?

Thanks for the explanation! On 11/15/06, Jeff Owens <[email protected]> wrote: > > The reason for passwords is security. The password scheme used by > Rootsweb has more security than a system that allows users to pick their > own. > > An attack on Rootsweb servers by hackers could prove disastrous. This > could happen if passwords themselves were not sufficiently difficult to > be hacked, and then used for access. > > This is the situation with all passwords. The question for hackers is > why attack and what will be the result? Rootsweb has huge mailing lists > and massive amounts of storage that can be compromised for whatever evil > motives these hackers seem to have. Beyond that, there are many > numerous technical explanations for password schemes. One should be > satisfied that Rootsweb feels the resource they provide is valuable, and > probably significantly irreplacable, and chooses to employ tight security. > > Jeff Owens >