Actually it is only a single masthead. Name-branding is what it is. Just like Tripod, Earthlink, Geocities, etc. This was announced long time ago. You don't have to add any code for them. The only thing they asked you to remove is the links you built in your pages so you don't have to do it anymore. Be glad they didn't add the footer! They added this in Freepages. David Samuelsen Dennis Ahern wrote: > Why has the HTML code for my homepage had two logos added to the top of > the page, one saying "hosted by rootsweb" and the other "an ancestry.com > community"? I never received any notice this would happen. It's done > automatically when I upload a new version of the page, it comes out with > these logos on it and they are not in the source code that I am uploading. > > I've maintained http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~aherns/ since 1998 and I > have always had a "Hosted by Rootsweb" graphic at the bottom of the home > page. Now every one of my pages has this Ancestry.com advertising on it > at the top of the page. I give a lot of thought to the design of my pages > and I do NOT like them being altered without notice. > > What gives? > > -dja > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I am responsible for updating a website that has been using SSI's for the left side navigation, footer and newsletter index on http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~imfa/home.html I have not checked it since sometime in July as I had received no updates. When I did check it last night I was shocked to see none of the SSI's were functioning. Since I had done nothing to the site, I did not think it was anything I had done. I could not determine what was wrong so quickly redid the includes and changed them to FrontPage includes which do work. Questions: Was something changed during the server moves/crashes that change the way SSI's are handled? Will that type of include still work? If so what do I need to change as the current code does not work. <!--#include file="nav.txt" --> <!--#include file="footer.txt" --> Yes, the include file is located on the same level as the page it is inserted in. Thanks, Pat ---------- Pat Geary, Microsoft MVP - FrontPage We discuss FrontPage and Expression Web http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/frontpage/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/expression-web/ Genealogy Web Design Tips and Tutorials http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/ http://www.genealogy-computer-tips.com/ - Blog

I feel one can not post anything to the web, if it is not one's own research. To many times I have seen info taken from the web and added to another web site, and that info is wrong. example how many web sites have diana denton born in ky abt 1757 when most folks know that the first white settlement was Ft Harrod in 1774. In my case my computer crashed in 1994 and I sent my incomplete disk to another researcher. This was for the World Family Tree project by Banner Blue. I have seen my info on several web sites, in it's incomplete form. Information that is not of your research is to be used as a guide, not as fact. And certainly not posted to any web site until you can document the details. Therefore copywrite is moot point, post only what YOU can document. Bob Dennis DENNIS KARRICK REHMET ANTROBUS researching since 1978

Why has the HTML code for my homepage had two logos added to the top of the page, one saying "hosted by rootsweb" and the other "an ancestry.com community"? I never received any notice this would happen. It's done automatically when I upload a new version of the page, it comes out with these logos on it and they are not in the source code that I am uploading. I've maintained http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~aherns/ since 1998 and I have always had a "Hosted by Rootsweb" graphic at the bottom of the home page. Now every one of my pages has this Ancestry.com advertising on it at the top of the page. I give a lot of thought to the design of my pages and I do NOT like them being altered without notice. What gives? -dja

Thanks to all, this has been a big help. Gloria On Aug 19, 2007, at 2:48 PM, [email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 8/19/2007 11:57:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > As I understand, neither person has copyrighted > sites or material. The former (fellow issuing the > complaint) removed his web site, in anger, so not > sure, can't compare. But still un-copyrighted. > > ------------ > Gloria, > > The following is from the US Copyright Office FAQs and should > correct a > misunderstanding you have expressed here and many fall prey to. > > http://www.copyright.gov/faq.html > > > When is my work protected? > Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created > and fixed > in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with > the aid of a > machine or device. > > > Do I have to register with your office to be protected? > No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from > the moment > the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you > wish to bring > a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work. See Circular 1, > Copyright Basics, > section “Copyright Registration.” > > Sharon Dulcich > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all- > new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSWEB-HELP- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 8/19/2007 11:57:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: As I understand, neither person has copyrighted sites or material. The former (fellow issuing the complaint) removed his web site, in anger, so not sure, can't compare. But still un-copyrighted. ------------ Gloria, The following is from the US Copyright Office FAQs and should correct a misunderstanding you have expressed here and many fall prey to. http://www.copyright.gov/faq.html When is my work protected? Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device. Do I have to register with your office to be protected? No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work. See Circular 1, Copyright Basics, section “Copyright Registration.” Sharon Dulcich ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Hi.. speaking of not getting these emails.. I didn't get any of them. Brenda -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 3:01 pm Subject: ROOTSWEB-HELP Digest, Vol 2, Issue 86 Today's Topics: 1. disagreement about posting family history material (Gloria Lane) 2. Re: disagreement about posting family history material (Patricia Geary) 3. Re: disagreement about posting family history material (Judy Florian) 4. Re: disagreement about posting family historymaterial (Gloria B. Lane) 5. Re: disagreement about posting family historymaterial (Gloria B. Lane) 6. Re: disagreement about posting family historymaterial (Gloria B. Lane) 7. Re: disagreement about posting family historymaterial (Gloria B. Lane) 8. Re: disagreement about posting family history material (Gloria B. Lane) he word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:01:38 -0500 ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Gloria, Your message was received, and you had numerous replies. Did you see any of them? On 8/19/07, Gloria Lane <[email protected]> wrote: > > I sent this once, but don't think it made it as I haven't seen it > posted! > > I have had a complaint from someone about some family history > material that another person asked me to post on the Woodruff County, > AR web site, and I did. It's about the former person's family and > using material that he originally had on another web site. He's also > saying that the post is not giving proper credit in the article(s), > and that there are copyright problems. He's pretty upset. > > Never run into this. Does anyone know if there are any policies or > procedures about that sort of thing? > > Gloria Lane >

At 02:01 PM 8/19/2007, you wrote: >sent this once, but don't think it made it as I haven't seen it >posted! > >I have had a complaint from someone about some family history >material that another person asked me to post on the Woodruff County, >AR web site, and I did. It's about the former person's family and >using material that he originally had on another web site. He's also >saying that the post is not giving proper credit in the article(s), >and that there are copyright problems. He's pretty upset. > >Never run into this. Does anyone know if there are any policies or >procedures about that sort of thing? This was posted and answered. If you did not receive copies of the emails, check the archives for the discussion. pat g

Yup, I think ultimately, I'll get with them and try to work it out (I removed the article in question, tentatively). I did ask the complainer for more specifics, but he was kind of verbose in his reply. I've got school starting,yada yada, and wanted to take the course of least effort, so to speak. BUT sounds good - to get the write (who writes for the local newspaper, so should know how to cite references) to give some kind of statement about references, etc. Thanks! Gloria At 11:29 AM 8/18/2007, you wrote: >Gloria, > >It's tricky but... I'd look first to see WHAT data you have. > >I'd ask the web site person who complained if he/she could be more specific >about the nature of the copyright issue. Is he/she complaining about >dates/names (not copyrightable)... or is the complaint about copied format >and notes (IS copyrightable). If it was my web & not yours, my intent >through 1 or several emails would be to gently try to get the "complaint >person" to agree to allow me (you) to AGREE to ALLOW me to continue and keep >"his/her" format / notes ON my web. You know, something like "If there is >a copyright issue, I sincerely apologize. Please understand that with >submissions, webmasters rely on the submitter to only send original work. >However, as I think about the question you have raised, I wonder if there is >a solution which would be acceptable to you? You see, I would hate to lose >this well-researched* data. Would YOU consider allowing me to keep it on my >web, and give you credit for your notes and formatting of the >information?" > >Re: well-researched -- maybe it isn't but say something that gives some >positive strokes to the person. > >If you can get the previous web URL, use the wayback machine (google for it) >to search the old web pages and see if you can find the person's old >website. > >On the other hand, you could write the submitter and tell the person >truthfully "I've received a complaint about the info on this page. I wanted >to discuss it with you." And ask about "where" the info came from etc. >(which can sound pretty accusatory, so I'd be pretty gentle in what I say) >"I feel I'm in a quandry because copyright issues are very serious. >However, I'd like to be able to keep the info on my website. So, could you >help me in deciding what to do by giving me some background of where you >received the data? or, did you compile it yourself?" > >I'd probably do emails to both persons. > >Now, if BOTH say they BOTH did the original research and the format/notes >are "THEIRS" --- well..... you'll have to do serious thinking about HOW to >handle these situations. If your site is part of a GenWeb, maybe ask for >advice from other CCs. You might want to establish a "rule" that if this >situation arises again, you'll just delete it rather than go through the >hoops of getting "proof" of ownership. Afterall, none of us are copyright >attorneys, so how can we ever tell who is "right"? > >In the end, you *might* have to delete the material simply to avoid the >appearance of using copyrighted info, because truthfully, YOU may not be >able to determine which of the 2 "owns" the info. Ugh. > >Good luck (and let the List know how it works out) > >Judy > >On 8/18/07, Gloria Lane <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I have had a complaint from someone about some family history > > material that another person asked me to post on the Woodruff County, > > AR web site, and I did. It's about the former person's family and > > using material that he originally had on another web site. He's also > > saying that the post is not giving proper credit in the article(s), > > and that there are copyright problems. He's pretty upset. > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

THANK YOU!!! At 10:38 AM 8/18/2007, Doug & Ruth Poole wrote: >If it is not copy writed it is public domain. You are not responsible >for others submissions. > >Doug > > >Gloria Lane wrote: > > I have had a complaint from someone about some family history > > material that another person asked me to post on the Woodruff County, > > AR web site, and I did. It's about the former person's family and > > using material that he originally had on another web site. He's also > > saying that the post is not giving proper credit in the article(s), > > and that there are copyright problems. He's pretty upset. > > > > Never run into this. Does anyone know if there are any policies or > > procedures about that sort of thing? > > > > Gloria > > coordinator, Woodruff County, Arkansas > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~arwoodru > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As I understand, neither person has copyrighted sites or material. The former (fellow issuing the complaint) removed his web site, in anger, so not sure, can't compare. But still un-copyrighted. Gloria At 10:29 AM 8/18/2007, you wrote: >Without seeing the two examples, i.e. your site and the other site, it's >impossible to comment -- except to remind you that //facts// are not >copyrightable, e.g. who was born or died when and where. Expository >material (e.g. notes) may be copyrighted by the original author, which >copyright will eventually expire. Style and format may also be copyrighted. > >Gloria Lane wrote: > > I have had a complaint from someone about some family history > > material that another person asked me to post on the Woodruff County, > > AR web site, and I did. It's about the former person's family and > > using material that he originally had on another web site. He's also > > saying that the post is not giving proper credit in the article(s), > > and that there are copyright problems. He's pretty upset. > > > > Never run into this. Does anyone know if there are any policies or > > procedures about that sort of thing? > > > > Gloria > > coordinator, Woodruff County, Arkansas > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~arwoodru > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > >-- >Regards, Rod Dav4is / P.O. Box 118 / Hyde Park, NY 12538 / USA >Genealogy, et Cetera: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dav4is/ >480 ancestral & collateral families, mostly 17°-19° century >New England & European roots. Total population: 117,600+ >Annex: http://www.gencircles.com/users/dav4is/ >email: [email protected] >Two roads diverged in a wood, and I... I took the one less traveled >by, and that has made all the difference. > -Robert Frost > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >email to [email protected] with >the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Joan - fyi, the poster is a person who writes for the local newspaper. But of course he collects his data from articles, historical documents, data, etc. I don't know the history of what's gone on between these two people (the write and the complainer), but the guy complaining is doing so in a very, uh, angry way, so I assume something's gone on between the two. I'm getting ready to get busy with school - so I removed the article in question, and am going to add some other statements to the intro page where the articles are linked. We'll see. Thanks, didn't know about the copyright group. Gloria At 09:48 AM 8/18/2007, you wrote: > >In a message dated 8/18/2007 10:22:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, >[email protected] writes: > >I have had a complaint from someone about some family history >material that another person asked me to post on the Woodruff County, >AR web site, and I did. It's about the former person's family and >using material that he originally had on another web site. He's also >saying that the post is not giving proper credit in the article(s), >and that there are copyright problems. He's pretty upset. > >Never run into this. Does anyone know if there are any policies or >procedures about that sort of thing? > >Gloria >coordinator, Woodruff County, Arkansas > > >Gloria- > >This is a really loaded question! It would require that we know a lot more >about the situation than you have presented in order to answer it--and the >copyright issues would be better suite to COPYRIGHT-L. > >That said, my first question is: >1) what is the nature of the family history material posted on your website? > If it is merely facts about deceased individuals: names, dates, places and >links from one generation to the next--these are not copyrightable. No one >can "own" his ancestors or control what other people do with facts. You can >only copyright original creative wording and there is nothing your >created or >that is original about facts. A person may have discovered a fact but he >didn't create it and he doesn't own it. So legally, if only facts >are involved, >it wouldn't matter whether the other person had the information on >his website >first or not. Of course, ethically, if the person who submitted the data to >you lifted it from the other person's research he should have given the >other person credit as being the source. Also, if more than just facts are >involved -- for instance a narrative family history with original >notes -- then >there could be copyright to the original content. > >2) Has the person complaining to you given you evidence or proof that he did >have the material on his website prior to the date the other person >submitted the data to you? In other words, can he prove in any way >that the data was >originally posted by him and isn't your submitter's data? On a related >note: have you asked your submitter where he got the data? > >3) Do you routinely ask that your submitters submit only data to which they >either hold copyright or they have permission to submit (if the data >is other >than facts)? If not--you should. > >Joan > > > >************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at >http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OK great, sorry to post twice, I'm on a different computer now... Gloria At 09:48 AM 8/18/2007, you wrote: > >In a message dated 8/18/2007 10:22:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, >[email protected] writes: > >I have had a complaint from someone about some family history >material that another person asked me to post on the Woodruff County, >AR web site, and I did. It's about the former person's family and >using material that he originally had on another web site. He's also >saying that the post is not giving proper credit in the article(s), >and that there are copyright problems. He's pretty upset. > >Never run into this. Does anyone know if there are any policies or >procedures about that sort of thing? > >Gloria >coordinator, Woodruff County, Arkansas > > >Gloria- > >This is a really loaded question! It would require that we know a lot more >about the situation than you have presented in order to answer it--and the >copyright issues would be better suite to COPYRIGHT-L. > >That said, my first question is: >1) what is the nature of the family history material posted on your website? > If it is merely facts about deceased individuals: names, dates, places and >links from one generation to the next--these are not copyrightable. No one >can "own" his ancestors or control what other people do with facts. You can >only copyright original creative wording and there is nothing your >created or >that is original about facts. A person may have discovered a fact but he >didn't create it and he doesn't own it. So legally, if only facts >are involved, >it wouldn't matter whether the other person had the information on >his website >first or not. Of course, ethically, if the person who submitted the data to >you lifted it from the other person's research he should have given the >other person credit as being the source. Also, if more than just facts are >involved -- for instance a narrative family history with original >notes -- then >there could be copyright to the original content. > >2) Has the person complaining to you given you evidence or proof that he did >have the material on his website prior to the date the other person >submitted the data to you? In other words, can he prove in any way >that the data was >originally posted by him and isn't your submitter's data? On a related >note: have you asked your submitter where he got the data? > >3) Do you routinely ask that your submitters submit only data to which they >either hold copyright or they have permission to submit (if the data >is other >than facts)? If not--you should. > >Joan > > > >************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at >http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I sent this once, but don't think it made it as I haven't seen it posted! I have had a complaint from someone about some family history material that another person asked me to post on the Woodruff County, AR web site, and I did. It's about the former person's family and using material that he originally had on another web site. He's also saying that the post is not giving proper credit in the article(s), and that there are copyright problems. He's pretty upset. Never run into this. Does anyone know if there are any policies or procedures about that sort of thing? Gloria Lane coordinator, Woodruff County, Arkansas http://www.rootsweb.com/~arwoodru

Gloria, It's tricky but... I'd look first to see WHAT data you have. I'd ask the web site person who complained if he/she could be more specific about the nature of the copyright issue. Is he/she complaining about dates/names (not copyrightable)... or is the complaint about copied format and notes (IS copyrightable). If it was my web & not yours, my intent through 1 or several emails would be to gently try to get the "complaint person" to agree to allow me (you) to AGREE to ALLOW me to continue and keep "his/her" format / notes ON my web. You know, something like "If there is a copyright issue, I sincerely apologize. Please understand that with submissions, webmasters rely on the submitter to only send original work. However, as I think about the question you have raised, I wonder if there is a solution which would be acceptable to you? You see, I would hate to lose this well-researched* data. Would YOU consider allowing me to keep it on my web, and give you credit for your notes and formatting of the information?" Re: well-researched -- maybe it isn't but say something that gives some positive strokes to the person. If you can get the previous web URL, use the wayback machine (google for it) to search the old web pages and see if you can find the person's old website. On the other hand, you could write the submitter and tell the person truthfully "I've received a complaint about the info on this page. I wanted to discuss it with you." And ask about "where" the info came from etc. (which can sound pretty accusatory, so I'd be pretty gentle in what I say) "I feel I'm in a quandry because copyright issues are very serious. However, I'd like to be able to keep the info on my website. So, could you help me in deciding what to do by giving me some background of where you received the data? or, did you compile it yourself?" I'd probably do emails to both persons. Now, if BOTH say they BOTH did the original research and the format/notes are "THEIRS" --- well..... you'll have to do serious thinking about HOW to handle these situations. If your site is part of a GenWeb, maybe ask for advice from other CCs. You might want to establish a "rule" that if this situation arises again, you'll just delete it rather than go through the hoops of getting "proof" of ownership. Afterall, none of us are copyright attorneys, so how can we ever tell who is "right"? In the end, you *might* have to delete the material simply to avoid the appearance of using copyrighted info, because truthfully, YOU may not be able to determine which of the 2 "owns" the info. Ugh. Good luck (and let the List know how it works out) Judy On 8/18/07, Gloria Lane <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have had a complaint from someone about some family history > material that another person asked me to post on the Woodruff County, > AR web site, and I did. It's about the former person's family and > using material that he originally had on another web site. He's also > saying that the post is not giving proper credit in the article(s), > and that there are copyright problems. He's pretty upset. >

Joan, I do apologize for not being clearer. I was looking at it from the article angle, not data. (as a published author I know that). And of course you can not publish "copyrighted" material without permission. I don't believe any material I see on the web until I verify the sources. ¾ of what I find is non-documentiable. Doug [email protected] wrote: > > In a message dated 8/18/2007 11:39:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > If it is not copy writed it is public domain. You are not responsible > for others submissions. > > Doug > > > > Doug- > > The word is "copyright" not "copy write" unless you are referring to > copywriting such as writing copy for a newspaper. The RIGHT to COPY is "copyright." > > Also...if you are the webmaster and you are informed by a copyright holder > (assuming there IS copyrightable material in the submitted file) you could > become liable if you failed to act after being notified. Of course, we haven't > established that copyright is involved here as yet. > > Joan > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

In a message dated 8/18/2007 11:39:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: If it is not copy writed it is public domain. You are not responsible for others submissions. Doug Doug- The word is "copyright" not "copy write" unless you are referring to copywriting such as writing copy for a newspaper. The RIGHT to COPY is "copyright." Also...if you are the webmaster and you are informed by a copyright holder (assuming there IS copyrightable material in the submitted file) you could become liable if you failed to act after being notified. Of course, we haven't established that copyright is involved here as yet. Joan ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

If it is not copy writed it is public domain. You are not responsible for others submissions. Doug Gloria Lane wrote: > I have had a complaint from someone about some family history > material that another person asked me to post on the Woodruff County, > AR web site, and I did. It's about the former person's family and > using material that he originally had on another web site. He's also > saying that the post is not giving proper credit in the article(s), > and that there are copyright problems. He's pretty upset. > > Never run into this. Does anyone know if there are any policies or > procedures about that sort of thing? > > Gloria > coordinator, Woodruff County, Arkansas > http://www.rootsweb.com/~arwoodru > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Without seeing the two examples, i.e. your site and the other site, it's impossible to comment -- except to remind you that //facts// are not copyrightable, e.g. who was born or died when and where. Expository material (e.g. notes) may be copyrighted by the original author, which copyright will eventually expire. Style and format may also be copyrighted. Gloria Lane wrote: > I have had a complaint from someone about some family history > material that another person asked me to post on the Woodruff County, > AR web site, and I did. It's about the former person's family and > using material that he originally had on another web site. He's also > saying that the post is not giving proper credit in the article(s), > and that there are copyright problems. He's pretty upset. > > Never run into this. Does anyone know if there are any policies or > procedures about that sort of thing? > > Gloria > coordinator, Woodruff County, Arkansas > http://www.rootsweb.com/~arwoodru > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- Regards, Rod Dav4is / P.O. Box 118 / Hyde Park, NY 12538 / USA Genealogy, et Cetera: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dav4is/ 480 ancestral & collateral families, mostly 17°-19° century New England & European roots. Total population: 117,600+ Annex: http://www.gencircles.com/users/dav4is/ email: [email protected] Two roads diverged in a wood, and I... I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference. -Robert Frost