At 04:00 PM 8/22/2007, you wrote: >As you will no doubt appreciate, using frames makes the navigation system is >much more friendly to the user. >In fact I have been revising my site to include more frames and even some >frames within frames. >To achieve the same result without frames means much duplication of >navigation links with all the attendant editing problems when >changes and additions >are made. So you can see why I'm reluctant to abandon frames. No it does not. Rather than use frames you use one file that is then included in all the other pages. When you want to change the navigation, you change one file. This site http://www.rootsweb.com/~ildewitt/id80.htm uses a sitewide navigation menu, a footer and a top menu that are all includes. They are inserted on each page of this large site and once uploaded appear on every single page. When they need to be edited, I edit the one page and it is reflected on every single page. The top menu http://www.rootsweb.com/~ildewitt/_includes/top-menu.txt The left side navigation http://www.rootsweb.com/~ildewitt/_includes/left-nav.txt The footer _includes/footer.txt You can't get any easier than that. Anything that is included on more than a few pages can be an include. How you do it depends on what program you use. pat

Sandy, Actually I kinda like frames but a virtual Server Side Include does the navigation trick very nicely with a whole lot less work. My site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~okchocta uses SSI for the top & bottom navigation/logo banners. As previously mentioned, to change ALL pages I only have to edit ONE page (or two pages if I want to change both header & footer). Just two lines of code have to be inserted into each page, along the lines of <!--#include virtual="/~okchocta/header.htm"--> and <!--#include virtual="/~okchocta/footer.htm"--> ----------------------------------------------------- Ron

In a message dated 22/08/2007 17:50:17 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: See if this helps any http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/frames/framed-website.html Use something like this but take out the graphic for the top masthead and just use the h1 tag for your header. http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/css-layouts/full-page.html Gives you the entire area for content and you will only see the top banner. Hello Pat, Thanks for the advice. I will make a more careful study of the tutorial and the guidance notes but I'm fairly sure I know what you are suggesting. My first build did not use frames -- I introduced them as the site grew in size. Some statistics will put the problem in context. The site comprises:-- 50 frames which hold navigation bars, linking 370 HTML pages which display a total of two thousand, one hundred JPEG photographs. The backup takes 277MB on my hard drive. There are 2,653 files in 165 folders. I'm hoping something can be done to avoid a total rebuild. As you will no doubt appreciate, using frames makes the navigation system is much more friendly to the user. In fact I have been revising my site to include more frames and even some frames within frames. To achieve the same result without frames means much duplication of navigation links with all the attendant editing problems when changes and additions are made. So you can see why I'm reluctant to abandon frames. My Churches and Graveyards photo tours of Dumfries and Galloway (SW Scotland) has attracted thousands of visitors over the eight years I have been developing it. All the photos are totally copyright free to family historians producing non-commercial family histories. The site was originally hosted by Rootsweb, before Ancestry came into the equation. If I have to abandon frames to remain with Rootsweb my easiest option might be to find a host server that is frames friendly. Anyway, thanks for the advice. Regards, Sandy

Hi, We have been through this many times before. RW servers all allow files (and folders or directories) with spaces in their names to be uploaded. (numerous examples available on request) Users, including the person doing the upload, may subsequently have difficulties *referring* to those files and thus be led to believe that they did not get uploaded (but they did!). Spaces and other /special characters/ in filenames must be coded in the referring URLs by what is known as *percent* encoding, e.g where a space is represented as %20 (20 being the ASCII code for a space). This applies to all referring URLs, including links (A tags) from other pages. -R. Judy Florian wrote: > On 8/22/07, W. David Samuelsen <[email protected]> wrote: > >> it's not sometimes. It does not allow the space in file names at all. >> > > > I said sometimes because, well, *some* files HAVE slipped through with > spaces. BUT then, on another upload, RW blocks and gives a certain code > (I believe 553) that I've learned means "go check file names for spaces, > check for unallowed file types" > > But after another Lister was doing self "tests" of whether spaces and > MiXedCase would upload, I looked carefully at my own freepages and yes, > indeed, *some* files did slip through *sometimes* with a space, MiXedCase, > and on one file it let a zip file through. Although this is only my > observation, I find more *.txt files with a space get through than spaces in > *.htm / html file names. (Sometimes I put template code or some info in a > txt. Usually I delete from MyWebs. But they got back into MyWebs on my PC > when I used my External Drive BackUp to reload my PC after I got a new > computer-- and when I connected to my website, those txt's uploaded. So > those are the main files with spaces in their names that *sometimes* do > upload. Other times, RW won't let those same txt ones at all.) > > Judy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- Regards, Rod Dav4is / P.O. Box 118 / Hyde Park, NY 12538 / USA Genealogy, et Cetera: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dav4is/ 480 ancestral & collateral families, mostly 17°-19° century New England & European roots. Total population: 117,600+ Annex: http://www.gencircles.com/users/dav4is/ email: [email protected] Life goes on, having nowhere else to go. -Dianne Ackerman

In a message dated 22/08/2007 19:21:23 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Sandy Your site just worked fine for me (no rootsweb banners) - or did rootsweb remove them between the time you wrote & the time that I checked? Mary I have had look and checked it out Mary. The problem is still their. Index page ABC shows but the links to the remaining three pages, D--H, K, L--W can not be accessed because the Ancestry banner obscures them. The Applegarth graveyard link attracts two Ancestry banners. So NO definitely NOT sorted. Thanks for responding, Sandy

Sandy Your site just worked fine for me (no rootsweb banners) - or did rootsweb remove them between the time you wrote & the time that I checked? Mary ----------------------------- At 11:50 AM 8/22/2007, you wrote: >My website, which has been built up over the past eight years, will not >operate properly since Ancestry.com added their advertising banners >to every page. >The build uses HTML pages within Frames and tables see >_http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~dfsgal/_ >(http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~dfsgal/) >The advertising banners, sometimes two per screen display overwrites all the >main navigation links. > >I have left similar mesages to this at various Ancestry and Rootsweb contact >location over the past two days. As I haven't had a single response. I >have thought of adjusting the frames to allow for the advertising >banners. The >result of that work-around is that the display are is much reduced, not a >very satisafctory solution to a site which mainly comprises photo tours. > >Thanks for reading this. > >Sandy

At 11:50 AM 8/22/2007, [email protected] wrote: >My website, which has been built up over the past eight years, will not >operate properly since Ancestry.com added their advertising banners >to every page. >The build uses HTML pages within Frames and tables see >_http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~dfsgal/_ >(http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~dfsgal/) >The advertising banners, sometimes two per screen display overwrites all the >main navigation links. > >I have left similar mesages to this at various Ancestry and Rootsweb contact >location over the past two days. As I haven't had a single response. I >have thought of adjusting the frames to allow for the advertising >banners. The >result of that work-around is that the display are is much reduced, not a >very satisafctory solution to a site which mainly comprises photo tours. Framed websites have always had a problem with banners. You are just now feeling it as rootsweb has just started using the banners on other sites as well as freepages. See if this helps any. All you really need is a small top header and the rest of the page you can use for images. See if this helps any http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/frames/framed-website.html Use something like this but take out the graphic for the top masthead and just use the h1 tag for your header. http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/css-layouts/full-page.html Gives you the entire area for content and you will only see the top banner. pat ---------- Pat Geary, Microsoft MVP - FrontPage We discuss FrontPage and Expression Web http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/frontpage/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/expression-web/ Genealogy Web Design Tips and Tutorials http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/ http://www.genealogy-computer-tips.com/ - Blog

My website, which has been built up over the past eight years, will not operate properly since Ancestry.com added their advertising banners to every page. The build uses HTML pages within Frames and tables see _http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~dfsgal/_ (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~dfsgal/) The advertising banners, sometimes two per screen display overwrites all the main navigation links. I have left similar mesages to this at various Ancestry and Rootsweb contact location over the past two days. As I haven't had a single response. I have thought of adjusting the frames to allow for the advertising banners. The result of that work-around is that the display are is much reduced, not a very satisafctory solution to a site which mainly comprises photo tours. Thanks for reading this. Sandy

In response to messages about taking data from other researchers and posting it without permission or author/compiler documentation, perhaps there is helpful information that addresses your concern at RootsWeb Mailing Lists, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>. and Search the ETHICS-IN-GENEALOGY archives <http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ETHICS-IN-GENEALOGY> S. Smith @ BHS

On 8/22/07, W. David Samuelsen <[email protected]> wrote: > > it's not sometimes. It does not allow the space in file names at all. I said sometimes because, well, *some* files HAVE slipped through with spaces. BUT then, on another upload, RW blocks and gives a certain code (I believe 553) that I've learned means "go check file names for spaces, check for unallowed file types" But after another Lister was doing self "tests" of whether spaces and MiXedCase would upload, I looked carefully at my own freepages and yes, indeed, *some* files did slip through *sometimes* with a space, MiXedCase, and on one file it let a zip file through. Although this is only my observation, I find more *.txt files with a space get through than spaces in *.htm / html file names. (Sometimes I put template code or some info in a txt. Usually I delete from MyWebs. But they got back into MyWebs on my PC when I used my External Drive BackUp to reload my PC after I got a new computer-- and when I connected to my website, those txt's uploaded. So those are the main files with spaces in their names that *sometimes* do upload. Other times, RW won't let those same txt ones at all.) Judy

it's not sometimes. It does not allow the space in file names at all. David Samuelsen Judy Florian wrote: > Make sure it's a file type that RW allows, and sometimes, it also does not > like spaces in the file name. Use lowercase and dash or hyphen between the > words. > Also, lately it can be hit/miss for uploading-- you might try a couple > different times of day. > Judy > > > On 8/22/07, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >> Do Rootsweb accounts have space limitations? >> >> I use Ipswitch FTP to upload and occasionally HTML-Kit. Have been having >> trouble with Ipswitch lately so went to HTML-Kit to make a minor chage. >> Worked ok. >> >> Today I was unable to upload a new file with Ipswitch. Went to HTML-Kit >> and got a message it could not upload to Rootsweb. >> >> Carmen Finley > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Make sure it's a file type that RW allows, and sometimes, it also does not like spaces in the file name. Use lowercase and dash or hyphen between the words. Also, lately it can be hit/miss for uploading-- you might try a couple different times of day. Judy On 8/22/07, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > Do Rootsweb accounts have space limitations? > > I use Ipswitch FTP to upload and occasionally HTML-Kit. Have been having > trouble with Ipswitch lately so went to HTML-Kit to make a minor chage. > Worked ok. > > Today I was unable to upload a new file with Ipswitch. Went to HTML-Kit > and got a message it could not upload to Rootsweb. > > Carmen Finley

Do Rootsweb accounts have space limitations? I use Ipswitch FTP to upload and occasionally HTML-Kit. Have been having trouble with Ipswitch lately so went to HTML-Kit to make a minor chage. Worked ok. Today I was unable to upload a new file with Ipswitch. Went to HTML-Kit and got a message it could not upload to Rootsweb. Carmen Finley

In a message dated 8/21/2007 3:52:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Nothing I'm sending is coming through so I subscribed under a different addy and will try again. Pat- RootsWeb's mailhub was having intermittent problems but they SEEM to be fixed now--so mail should be working again. Joan ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Nothing I'm sending is coming through so I subscribed under a different addy and will try again. I am responsible for updating a website that has been using SSI's for the left side navigation, footer and newsletter index on http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~imfa/home.html I have not checked it since sometime in July as I had received no updates. When I did check it last night I was shocked to see none of the SSI's were functioning. Since I had done nothing to the site, I did not think it was anything I had done. I could not determine what was wrong so quickly redid the includes and changed them to FrontPage includes which do work. Questions: Was something changed during the server moves/crashes that change the way SSI's are handled? Will that type of include still work? If so what do I need to change as the current code does not work. <!--#include file="nav.txt" --> <!--#include file="footer.txt" --> Yes, the include file is located on the same level as the page it is inserted in. Thanks, Pat ---------- Pat Geary, Microsoft MVP - FrontPage We discuss FrontPage and Expression Web http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/frontpage/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/expression-web/ Genealogy Web Design Tips and Tutorials http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/ http://www.genealogy-computer-tips.com/ - Blog

In a message dated 8/21/2007 1:17:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I feel one can not post anything to the web, if it is not one's own research. To many times I have seen info taken from the web and added to another web site, and that info is wrong. example how many web sites have diana denton born in ky abt 1757 when most folks know that the first white settlement was Ft Harrod in 1774. In my case my computer crashed in 1994 and I sent my incomplete disk to another researcher. This was for the World Family Tree project by Banner Blue. I have seen my info on several web sites, in it's incomplete form. Information that is not of your research is to be used as a guide, not as fact. And certainly not posted to any web site until you can document the details. Therefore copywrite is moot point, post only what YOU can document. Bob Dennis ---- Bob- You are comparing apples and oranges here. Copyright (note spelling) is a LEGAL issue and it means you you cannot copy another person's copyrighted material (except for small portions under Fair Use). As to someone posting INACCURATE information, any user contributed data needs to be verified by those who find it--there is no guarantee that any information is inaccurate and if everyone waited to post information for which they could document the details--well, there wouldn't be much family history posted online. With many online family tree programs one can make note of the information and sources and note when something is conjecture or unproven--it still may be helpful to others. There is no law that information you post has to be proven or accurate. As to posting only information you have researched--there may be instances where you obtained permission to post someone else's information and there is no limit of posting facts such as names, dates, and places. This is public information and anyone can use it--no one owns facts. Joan ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

I am responsible for updating a website that has been using SSI's for the left side navigation, footer and newsletter index on http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~imfa/home.html I have not checked it since sometime in July as I had received no updates. When I did check it last night I was shocked to see none of the SSI's were functioning. Since I had done nothing to the site, I did not think it was anything I had done. I could not determine what was wrong so quickly redid the includes and changed them to FrontPage includes which do work. Questions: Was something changed during the server moves/crashes that change the way SSI's are handled? Will that type of include still work? If so what do I need to change as the current code does not work. <!--#include file="nav.txt" --> <!--#include file="footer.txt" --> Yes, the include file is located on the same level as the page it is inserted in. Thanks, Pat ---------- Pat Geary, Microsoft MVP - FrontPage We discuss FrontPage and Expression Web http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/frontpage/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/expression-web/ Genealogy Web Design Tips and Tutorials http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/ http://www.genealogy-computer-tips.com/ - Blog

In a message dated 8/21/2007 1:17:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Why has the HTML code for my homepage had two logos added to the top of the page, one saying "hosted by rootsweb" and the other "an ancestry.com community"? I never received any notice this would happen. It's done automatically when I upload a new version of the page, it comes out with these logos on it and they are not in the source code that I am uploading. I've maintained http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~aherns/ since 1998 and I have always had a "Hosted by Rootsweb" graphic at the bottom of the home page. Now every one of my pages has this Ancestry.com advertising on it at the top of the page. I give a lot of thought to the design of my pages and I do NOT like them being altered without notice. What gives? -dja It was kind of announced--in the RootsWeb Review on Aug. 1st: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/review/2007/0801.txt 1a. RootsWeb Has a New Header You probably noticed that RootsWeb got a new look last week--a different header was introduced. The header is part of a re-branding effort by RootsWeb's parent company, The Generations Network, Inc. The change obviously doesn't affect anything about the identity or mission of RootsWeb. We are still "the oldest and largest free genealogy site." You can remove the Hosted by RootsWeb graphic from your page now if you would like as the header serves the same purpose. Joan ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

They sent out a message last week saying this was going to happen. Karima ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Ahern" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] imposition of ancestry.com logo > > Why has the HTML code for my homepage had two logos added to the top of > the page, one saying "hosted by rootsweb" and the other "an ancestry.com > community"? I never received any notice this would happen. It's done > automatically when I upload a new version of the page, it comes out with > these logos on it and they are not in the source code that I am uploading. > > I've maintained http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~aherns/ since 1998 and I > have always had a "Hosted by Rootsweb" graphic at the bottom of the home > page. Now every one of my pages has this Ancestry.com advertising on it > at the top of the page. I give a lot of thought to the design of my pages > and I do NOT like them being altered without notice. > h the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I see nothing wrong with posting other people's research, as long as you have their permission and YOU CREDIT THE SOURCE. Even undocumented material can be useful. You should never accept anything on any web site as a fact. Even the best original source can be misinterpreted, and often is. The important thing is to document, document, document. Ron Wall ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [ROOTSWEB-HELP] posting family history material In a message dated 8/21/2007 1:17:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I feel one can not post anything to the web, if it is not one's own research. To many times I have seen info taken from the web and added to another web site, and that info is wrong. example how many web sites have diana denton born in ky abt 1757 when most folks know that the first white settlement was Ft Harrod in 1774. In my case my computer crashed in 1994 and I sent my incomplete disk to another researcher. This was for the World Family Tree project by Banner Blue. I have seen my info on several web sites, in it's incomplete form. Information that is not of your research is to be used as a guide, not as fact. And certainly not posted to any web site until you can document the details. Therefore copywrite is moot point, post only what YOU can document. Bob Dennis ---- Bob- You are comparing apples and oranges here. Copyright (note spelling) is a LEGAL issue and it means you you cannot copy another person's copyrighted material (except for small portions under Fair Use). As to someone posting INACCURATE information, any user contributed data needs to be verified by those who find it--there is no guarantee that any information is inaccurate and if everyone waited to post information for which they could document the details--well, there wouldn't be much family history posted online. With many online family tree programs one can make note of the information and sources and note when something is conjecture or unproven--it still may be helpful to others. There is no law that information you post has to be proven or accurate. As to posting only information you have researched--there may be instances where you obtained permission to post someone else's information and there is no limit of posting facts such as names, dates, and places. This is public information and anyone can use it--no one owns facts. Joan ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message