All of the schemes under discussion are like locks on your door - they only keep honest people honest.

Thanks for letting me know - I knew I was able to do so, yet thought it was due to being stored in this machine as well ;-) On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Susan W Pieroth <pieroth@ix.netcom.com>wrote: > Using Firefox I can right click on > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~anneology/walker.html<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Eanneology/walker.html> > without getting the warning. In IE I can use my mouse to highlight any > or all of the text and save it. Wasted coding. > > anne-ology wrote: > > Well, there's nothing here that I wouldn't give to any other > > researcher - > > but I would appreciate their contacting me before they take > the > > info. so that I would have a record of who has what. > > > > So I guess I'll stick with this method - inconvenience to the > honest > > folk might make them think first; > > to the dishonest folk, well ;-( > > >

Would you place your CSS learning steps here ... for those of us - like me - not understanding it yet. On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:58 PM, George Waller <George@waller.org> wrote: > Thanks Bob, Dr. Bob, and Pat :-) > > All answers seem reasonable. Will play around. > CSS will have to wait until next year when I hope to learn > some. Sorry Pat you spent so much time on answering in > CSS. From now on I will preface my questions with a > warning that I am not CSS conversant. But your time is > not wasted as your email will go into a CSS folder for > future reference. > George > > On 18 Dec 2009 at 11:57, Robert Sullivan wrote: > > > > Here is another question about tables. Is there a way to > > > specify the column widths globally? As you can see, I > > > repeatedly specify the width in each <TD. > > > > The <col> tag will do what you want. > > > > <http://www.w3schools.com/TAGS/tag_col.asp> > > > > N.B. although this is part of the HTML standard, not all browsers > > support all its attributes. The page above notes that Firefox only > > supports "width" which means any alignment commands will be ignored. > > I believe this is also the case with IE8 and Chrome. Your mileage may > > vary about whether this would prevent you from using it. > > > > -- > > Bob Sullivan > > Schenectady Digital History Archive > > <http://www.schenectadyhistory.org/> > > Schenectady County (NY) Public Library > > >

Using Firefox I can right click on http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~anneology/walker.html without getting the warning. In IE I can use my mouse to highlight any or all of the text and save it. Wasted coding. anne-ology wrote: > Well, there's nothing here that I wouldn't give to any other > researcher - > but I would appreciate their contacting me before they take the > info. so that I would have a record of who has what. > > So I guess I'll stick with this method - inconvenience to the honest > folk might make them think first; > to the dishonest folk, well ;-( >

Thanks Bob, Dr. Bob, and Pat :-) All answers seem reasonable. Will play around. CSS will have to wait until next year when I hope to learn some. Sorry Pat you spent so much time on answering in CSS. From now on I will preface my questions with a warning that I am not CSS conversant. But your time is not wasted as your email will go into a CSS folder for future reference. George On 18 Dec 2009 at 11:57, Robert Sullivan wrote: > > Here is another question about tables.  Is there a way to > > specify the column widths globally?  As you can see, I > > repeatedly specify the width in each <TD. > > The <col> tag will do what you want. > > <http://www.w3schools.com/TAGS/tag_col.asp> > > N.B. although this is part of the HTML standard, not all browsers > support all its attributes. The page above notes that Firefox only > supports "width" which means any alignment commands will be ignored. > I believe this is also the case with IE8 and Chrome. Your mileage may > vary about whether this would prevent you from using it. > > -- > Bob Sullivan > Schenectady Digital History Archive > <http://www.schenectadyhistory.org/> > Schenectady County (NY) Public Library > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for this information - very good food for thought; makes me re-think what I've been doing. On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Pat Geary <pat@family-genealogy-online.com > wrote: > At 11:23 AM 12/18/2009, Pat Asher wrote: > >In other words, if it is important to you that it not be copied by > >someone else, don't put it on the web ;) > ========== > > On the same topic, read > http://www.jamesshuggins.com/h/web1/how_do_i_turn_off_right_click.htm > > and > > http://www.jamesshuggins.com/h/web1/how_do_i_stop_downloading.htm > > Pat Geary > >

Well, there's nothing here that I wouldn't give to any other researcher - but I would appreciate their contacting me before they take the info. so that I would have a record of who has what. So I guess I'll stick with this method - inconvenience to the honest folk might make them think first; to the dishonest folk, well ;-( On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Pat Asher <pjroots@att.net> wrote: > At 09:30 AM 12/18/2009, anne-ology wrote: > >NOW please let me hear any thoughts on what to use in place of this > >obviously out-dated method. > > What are you trying to accomplish? > > If you are trying to block visitors from copying your text and/or > images -- you can't. > > To view your page, your visitor must download a copy of everything > that appears on the page to their computer so it can be displayed in > their browser. Turning off right-click is an inconvenience if they > want to save a copy, but there are several ways around it. Some > browsers allow you to save a copy of all associated files when you > save a web page. You can use the drop down menu to view source, then > go directly to the image file on the server and save that. You can > do a screen capture. You can locate the file that was used for > display in your temporary internet files and save a copy to another > location. > > In other words, if it is important to you that it not be copied by > someone else, don't put it on the web ;) > > Pat Asher > >

At 11:42 AM 12/18/2009, you wrote: >Hi Experts! > >Here is another question about tables. Is there a way to >specify the column widths globally? As you can see, I >repeatedly specify the width in each <TD. Use CSS, and classes as needed. Insert in the HEAD section. <style type="text/css"> td { width: 200px; } td.name { width: 350px; }</style> This would make all cells 200px wide except for those given the class "names". To make each column a different width, use a class for all but one, e.g. <style type="text/css"> td { width: 140px; } td.names { width: 371px; } td.style { width: 64px; } td.date { width: 131px; } </style> Then code the table <tr> <TD class="names"><P><B>Address or Name</B></P></TD> <TD class="style"><P><B>Style</B></P></TD> <TD class="date"><P><B>Date</B></P></TD> <TD><P><B>Directory View</B></P></TD> </tr> </TR> <TR VALIGN=TOP> <TD><A HREF="<view-source:http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ctmanshs/view-source:http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Ectmanshs/forest_rd_86/forest_rd_86_web.htm>forest_rd_86/forest_rd_86_web.htm">86 Forest Rd</a></TD> <TD>Colonial</td> <TD>1828</td> <TD><A HREF="<view-source:http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ctmanshs/view-source:http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Ectmanshs/forest_rd_86/>forest_rd_86/">Directory view</A></TD> </TR> Pat Asher

At 11:23 AM 12/18/2009, Pat Asher wrote: >In other words, if it is important to you that it not be copied by >someone else, don't put it on the web ;) ========== On the same topic, read http://www.jamesshuggins.com/h/web1/how_do_i_turn_off_right_click.htm and http://www.jamesshuggins.com/h/web1/how_do_i_stop_downloading.htm Pat Geary

> Here is another question about tables.  Is there a way to > specify the column widths globally?  As you can see, I > repeatedly specify the width in each <TD. The <col> tag will do what you want. <http://www.w3schools.com/TAGS/tag_col.asp> N.B. although this is part of the HTML standard, not all browsers support all its attributes. The page above notes that Firefox only supports "width" which means any alignment commands will be ignored. I believe this is also the case with IE8 and Chrome. Your mileage may vary about whether this would prevent you from using it. -- Bob Sullivan Schenectady Digital History Archive <http://www.schenectadyhistory.org/> Schenectady County (NY) Public Library

Hi Experts! Here is another question about tables. Is there a way to specify the column widths globally? As you can see, I repeatedly specify the width in each <TD. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ctmanshs/ Many thanks! George

At 09:30 AM 12/18/2009, anne-ology wrote: >NOW please let me hear any thoughts on what to use in place of this >obviously out-dated method. What are you trying to accomplish? If you are trying to block visitors from copying your text and/or images -- you can't. To view your page, your visitor must download a copy of everything that appears on the page to their computer so it can be displayed in their browser. Turning off right-click is an inconvenience if they want to save a copy, but there are several ways around it. Some browsers allow you to save a copy of all associated files when you save a web page. You can use the drop down menu to view source, then go directly to the image file on the server and save that. You can do a screen capture. You can locate the file that was used for display in your temporary internet files and save a copy to another location. In other words, if it is important to you that it not be copied by someone else, don't put it on the web ;) Pat Asher

Amazing! Your thoughts must have magically travelled to my mind since that is exactly the conclusion I had just come to. But was hesitant to make changes after asking you all to look at code. Thanks Susan! Will change now! George On 18 Dec 2009 at 10:27, Susan W Pieroth wrote: > You have a paragraph codes (open and close) in each box. Do a global > search and destroy and the tables will be fine. > > Susan > > George Waller wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Please take a look at the following with FireFox (seems > > ok in IE8). The problem (which mysteriously appeared) > > is that the rows are too deep. For example, the border is > > followed by a 1/4" of space, then the house info appears > > followed by another 1/4" of space then the border. > > > > I googled this and it seems that using styles is the > > answer, but am not ready to tackle a new language. > > > > I changed cellspacing to 0 and omitted valign=top on > > the first row but neither helped. > > > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ctmanshs/ > > > > And, what is it with the crazy </div> that RW inserts at the > > end of the code: </div></body></html> > > > > BTW this code W3C validates. > > > > Thanks, George > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSWEB-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You have a paragraph codes (open and close) in each box. Do a global search and destroy and the tables will be fine. Susan George Waller wrote: > Hi, > > Please take a look at the following with FireFox (seems > ok in IE8). The problem (which mysteriously appeared) > is that the rows are too deep. For example, the border is > followed by a 1/4" of space, then the house info appears > followed by another 1/4" of space then the border. > > I googled this and it seems that using styles is the > answer, but am not ready to tackle a new language. > > I changed cellspacing to 0 and omitted valign=top on > the first row but neither helped. > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ctmanshs/ > > And, what is it with the crazy </div> that RW inserts at the > end of the code: </div></body></html> > > BTW this code W3C validates. > > Thanks, George

Hi, Please take a look at the following with FireFox (seems ok in IE8). The problem (which mysteriously appeared) is that the rows are too deep. For example, the border is followed by a 1/4" of space, then the house info appears followed by another 1/4" of space then the border. I googled this and it seems that using styles is the answer, but am not ready to tackle a new language. I changed cellspacing to 0 and omitted valign=top on the first row but neither helped. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ctmanshs/ And, what is it with the crazy </div> that RW inserts at the end of the code: </div></body></html> BTW this code W3C validates. Thanks, George

Ann, That's ok, I've just not seen it on whole pages. I've seen the right-click disabled on images before. As far as methods to protect pages or images, like I said, people on this list and on freepages have commented before that if anyone really wants to copy your work, they will find a way. Since this page is mostly text, it's super easy to copy -- I'd just highlight the whole page, hit Ctl+C, open Notepad and hit Ctl+V and I've got all your words. And if I wanted it all, I could use the other methods I described. Maybe the blocking had a bigger purpose years ago, but people have gotten smarter and it's just so easy to copy ~anything~ from any website. After the Lists talked about the uselessness of using it, I just got rid of the right-click code. I don't think there are any other methods to replace it. Maybe think about what you want to protect and why. Then decide if you really want to share it. If sharing is your goal, then right-click scripts aren't needed. If you really don't want something to be copied ever, right-disable isn't going to stop someone. So I've chosen to not share certain (more personal) info and photos of my family. I think I've also included a blurb about contact me if you want to use a large chunk of my info---but even that doesn't mean the person will ask permission. Judy On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:30 AM, anne-ology <nrcnsdar@gmail.com> wrote: > You're absolutely right - > and I do most sincerely apologize for not removing this before > sending to this list. > [my lame excuse - totally frustrated being unable to locate > that extraneous "] > > NOW please let me hear any thoughts on what to use in place of this > obviously out-dated method. >

You're absolutely right - and I do most sincerely apologize for not removing this before sending to this list. [my lame excuse - totally frustrated being unable to locate that extraneous "] NOW please let me hear any thoughts on what to use in place of this obviously out-dated method. On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 6:38 AM, J.A. Florian <cageycat@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't want to single out Anne, I have a question about her page. I had > tried to right-click to View Source. I'm clicking in a blank area and use > IE 7. But I get a block, like ones used for "don't copy images" script. > What code or script is preventing me from getting to View Source -- > meaning, > what script stops right-clicking a whole page? (versus images) Is the > script just a total disable of right-click? > > The other comment is, although the personalized pop-up message says "Read > only please", it doesn't prevent anyone from copying all the text on the > page with just highlight and copy. But the pop-up does slow down people > who > want to help troubleshoot. > > I know I could have switched browsers and by-passed the block. Or, I could > have even saved a copy to my hard-drive and looked that way or did a > File>>Edit With to see all the code despite the block. But who wants to > go > around to a back door when the front door is closer? So my point is, maybe > upload a copy without such block if asking for help so others can help -- > / > or learn -- too. And second, the block doesn't do much to stop anyone who > really wants to copy the work. I gave up long ago with disabling right > click because of the very informative discussions on this list about how it > really provides no protection at all. I've also learned that if I don't > want anyone copying my words or images, that I shouldn't put it on the Web > at all. > > Judy > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 5:25 PM, anne-ology <nrcnsdar@gmail.com> wrote: > > > ... find the extraneous character ... or lack of ... which is > causing > > the extraneous " at the bottom of this page? > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~anneology/walker.html<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Eanneology/walker.html> > > > > I've looked and looked ... think I may be going nuts ;-) > > and I must be "blind in one eye and can't see out of the other" > > ;-) > > > >

I haven't seen anyone post this yet. Just a reminder, the year is about to change so websites should change too (yeah, more work LOL). 1. Update your copyright notice to include the coming year. I'll never forget how much easier it was when I learned on these lists about using "includes". 2. Check that your E-mail is correct on your webpages. 3. If your snail address is on your web, did you move this year but still want people to be able to write to you via US Mail? 4. Delete from your web all those practice and test pages and junk you don't need anymore. I move this stuff to a folder in My Documents till I decide if I want to save any of it. 5. If you put a year on a robot tag, think about changing the content to no expire on your robots tag -- that saved me a lot of year-end updating because I had an expire date there at first. Make it really easy and tell it to go ahead and cache, not to expire, and to crawl everything. End-of year is also a good time to finally change those boo-boos. Did you put a page singly when you think it now needs to be in a folder with other pages on the same topic? Now is as good a time as any to fix (move or delete) your boo-boos, and make things more organized. Don't worry about Google page-rank... I found it was only a passing ouch and Google quickly re-found the page whereever I put it. The only thing Google seems unable to find are sock mates that go into the washer but only 1 sock comes out. ;-) Also a good time to send out a notice to people who are interested in "your stuff". Let them know your site is still there, expanding, etc. I'm sure I'm forgetting something.... Happy (working) holidays! Judy

I don't want to single out Anne, I have a question about her page. I had tried to right-click to View Source. I'm clicking in a blank area and use IE 7. But I get a block, like ones used for "don't copy images" script. What code or script is preventing me from getting to View Source -- meaning, what script stops right-clicking a whole page? (versus images) Is the script just a total disable of right-click? The other comment is, although the personalized pop-up message says "Read only please", it doesn't prevent anyone from copying all the text on the page with just highlight and copy. But the pop-up does slow down people who want to help troubleshoot. I know I could have switched browsers and by-passed the block. Or, I could have even saved a copy to my hard-drive and looked that way or did a File>>Edit With to see all the code despite the block. But who wants to go around to a back door when the front door is closer? So my point is, maybe upload a copy without such block if asking for help so others can help -- / or learn -- too. And second, the block doesn't do much to stop anyone who really wants to copy the work. I gave up long ago with disabling right click because of the very informative discussions on this list about how it really provides no protection at all. I've also learned that if I don't want anyone copying my words or images, that I shouldn't put it on the Web at all. Judy On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 5:25 PM, anne-ology <nrcnsdar@gmail.com> wrote: > ... find the extraneous character ... or lack of ... which is causing > the extraneous " at the bottom of this page? > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~anneology/walker.html > > I've looked and looked ... think I may be going nuts ;-) > and I must be "blind in one eye and can't see out of the other" > ;-) > > ------------------------------- >

As Pat said, Firefox browser can be found at http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/ You can have any number of browsers, and it's handy to check a new page in more than one browser. Firefox is much more secure and I have not been forced to use Internet Explorer because of the coding on a web page for a long time. Page Source can be found in the browser under View. Susan anne-ology wrote: > I need to know what browser you're using - PLEASE - > I don't understand where you're seeing a 'div' or any table. > > Thanks to Susan, that " is now gone - I'd somehow added it in an > e-address - one of those typos which I then never catch