What baffles me is the amount of time some people will spend complaining about something they could handle in an instant. And, I don't see where the "problem" is exported to reports, it is only on the edit person window where it can be handled in that instant anyway. For goodness sakes people, if it is bugging that badly, hire someone to write a personalized program the way you want it. You all seem to think it would be so easy, maybe you could write it yourself. I am no longer the list administrator, But please, give it a rest! Alfred

And what baffles me is the amount of time spent explaining to people how to fix something using Sort Dates that the program could do itself, without taking away anything from the power you have to change things to suit your own special cases. The "problem" is exported to reports: I failed to explain clearly that the 'natural' order for the 3rd and 4th events entered (being a Death and Birth respectively) was 43, not 34 as they came out in the reports. Of the 22 persons who have participated in this discussion, 7 have clearly expressed the need for an improvement, 9 (now 10 if I count you, Alfred) have clearly expressed their resistance to change and are happy with it the way it is, and 5 are neutral or ambiguous or ambivalent (including the RootsMagician). Of course, that is no indication of the larger picture and I won't speculate on it. But, this is a discussion, not an election, in which we should all strive to be polite and respectful and be willing to listen, not shut down, the views of others. I understand that some of you are impatient that it should end because you are not bothered by the issue that a significant number of others have raised or you do not yet understand the issue and are fearful of some adverse consequence from a change in the software. Bruce clearly has to tread carefully with each change but that has not held him back on many other fronts. Be assured that the issue will inevitably rise again if nothing is done to address it - new customers, same experience, same complaint. Regards to all, Tom -----Original Message----- From: Alfred Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 1:40 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] RootsMagic 6 - sorting of birth, death and burial events when all occur in the same year What baffles me is the amount of time some people will spend complaining about something they could handle in an instant. And, I don't see where the "problem" is exported to reports, it is only on the edit person window where it can be handled in that instant anyway. For goodness sakes people, if it is bugging that badly, hire someone to write a personalized program the way you want it. You all seem to think it would be so easy, maybe you could write it yourself. I am no longer the list administrator, But please, give it a rest! Alfred =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maybe it would help if we could have some ACTUAL examples of small reports that have not been handled the way you wish? Jess Davis From: Tom Holden Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 2:33 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] RootsMagic 6 - sorting of birth,death and burial events when all occur in the same year And what baffles me is the amount of time spent explaining to people how to fix something using Sort Dates that the program could do itself, without taking away anything from the power you have to change things to suit your own special cases. The "problem" is exported to reports: I failed to explain clearly that the 'natural' order for the 3rd and 4th events entered (being a Death and Birth respectively) was 43, not 34 as they came out in the reports.

Jesse, thanks for the suggestion, a report is worth 100 words, maybe even 1000! One very simple example: ---------Individual Summary--------- Name: Birth Death *ORDER-1189 Sex: Unknown Individual Facts Death 1900 (about age 0) 3 Birth 1900 4 -------------------------------------------- The 3 and 4 are the Place Names for the 3rd and 4th events entered, and, as you can see, presented in the order they were entered, unnaturally and illogically. Please also view the Before and After images at http://sqlitetoolsforrootsmagic.wikispaces.com/Dates+-+Same+Day+Sort+Order . The Before image represents what you get after a GEDCOM import the way RM works now. The After image represents what an enhanced RM could present, regardless of what mechanism is used as a tie-breaker or default natural sort order; the reports would have the exact same order. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Davis Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 2:39 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] RootsMagic 6 - sorting of birth, death and burial events when all occur in the same year Maybe it would help if we could have some ACTUAL examples of small reports that have not been handled the way you wish? Jess Davis