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    1. Re: [RMagic] Web hint question
    2. Pat McGrath via

    3. Wow! Thanks for taking the time for that explanation. Yes, I do understand what you are saying. SO, the 'tree' I am seeing on the Right side of the screen is someone elses FamilySearch tree .... If I think the data is ALSO a match to the person in MY RM DATABASE I'd jot it down and add it ..... ... BUT I can't make the stuff on the screen either confirmed or rejected since it's not MY database it's looking at .... but someone else's database/tree --- since I don't truly know if it IS their person ... would seem like I should check them out, take anything that might be useful to me and then REJECT the match so that I do not mess up another person's database / tree .... Does any of that make sense??? Pat -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerry Bryan via Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 4:58 PM To: 'RootsMagic Users List ' Subject: Re: [RMagic] Web hint question I'm not sure if this is the officially correct terminology, but FamilySearch has a community tree that all users contribute to. It's sort of a Wiki kind of thing, if you are familiar with how that works. It's like all of us RM users loaded all our data up to one big database in the sky and combined it together (plus lots of other people who are not using RM). If I see a correction to some data that's already out there, I can simply make the correction and vice versa for somebody else looking at data that I have put out there. There are procedures in place to document what changes were made, who made them, when they were made, and why. For the most part, this has all been taking place by users logging into the FamilySearch site and doing their work from there. FamilySearch has recently added a way that such updates can be made from programs such as RM without users having to logon directly to FamilySearch. Ok, so you have the community tree out there, the results of the collective research of all the FamilySearch users. Also, FamilySearch has bunches of databases out there - censuses, birth records, death records, and lots more. These databases are not part of the community tree. They are just raw data. These databases can serve as sources for users who are putting data into the community tree. The next step in the hints process is that FamilySearch runs some automated processes behind the scenes to try to find connections between their databases and the community tree that has been built by their users. You can logon to FamilySearch and see these hints as Record Hints. FamilySearch only finds the hints and makes them available. It doesn't confirm or deny whether they were correct - for example, whether John Doe age 5 in the 1850 census was the same person as a John Doe in the community tree who was born in 1845. FamilySearch users themselves confirm or reject the hints. What's happening with RM is that data in your database is being matched against the community tree. The matches may or may not be correct. That's for your to decide. But if the matches between your database and the community tree are correct, and if the Record Hints between the community tree and the FamilySearch databases are correct, then you will have found matches between your database and the FamilySearch databases. There is nothing in the process that will bring sourcing information from the FamilySearch databases back into your database. You will have to do that manually. Nevertheless, the hints can be quite useful. Also, you can use RM to confirm the hints, except that the process is not really confirming the hints between your database and the community tree nor between your database and the FamilySearch databases. Rather, the process is confirming the hints between the community tree and the FamilySearch databases, the same thing you can do by logging on directly to FamilySearch without using RM at all. Jerry -----Original Message----- From: Pat McGrath via Sent: Thu, February 05, 2015 3:40 PM To: 'RootsMagic Users List ' Subject: [RMagic] Web hint question Hi: When using Web hints in FamilySearch, I see a document with info on the left side of the screen and on the right it says Family Tree .. If not yours, find tree. What is really being shown on the right side of the page? I do NOT have a 'tree' in FamilySearch, nor do I want to put one there at this time. I seem to have to leave that screen, go to my RM person screen to see if I have that info, right info, wrong info, etc. .. Then what? Manually enter info into RM if it is my person? Sorry, but I'm finding using this very confusing . must be a senior moment thing???? But help appreciated! 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    02/05/2015 01:00:06
    1. Re: [RMagic] Web hint question
    2. RootsMagic via

    3. Pat, That's pretty close. There is one correction. The tree you see isn't your database, but it isn't someone elses either. The FamilySearch Family Tree is a combined tree, meaning it doesn't belong to a specific person and anybody can edit / modify / add sources to it. It works different than the MyHeritage WebHints. With the MyHeritage WebHints you are confirming / rejecting whether the source belongs to the person in your own tree. With the FamilySearch WebHints you are confirming / rejecting whether the source belongs to that person on FamilySearch, whether that person is the same as your RM person or not. - Bruce On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Pat McGrath via < [email protected]> wrote: > Wow! Thanks for taking the time for that explanation. Yes, I do > understand > what you are saying. SO, the 'tree' I am seeing on the Right side of the > screen is someone elses FamilySearch tree .... If I think the data is ALSO > a > match to the person in MY RM DATABASE I'd jot it down and add it ..... > > ... BUT I can't make the stuff on the screen either confirmed or rejected > since it's not MY database it's looking at .... but someone else's > database/tree --- since I don't truly know if it IS their person ... would > seem like I should check them out, take anything that might be useful to me > and then REJECT the match so that I do not mess up another person's > database > / tree .... > > Does any of that make sense??? > Pat > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerry Bryan > via > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 4:58 PM > To: 'RootsMagic Users List ' > Subject: Re: [RMagic] Web hint question > > I'm not sure if this is the officially correct terminology, but > FamilySearch > has a community tree that all users contribute to. It's sort of a Wiki kind > of thing, if you are familiar with how that works. It's like all of us RM > users loaded all our data up to one big database in the sky and combined it > together (plus lots of other people who are not using RM). If I see a > correction to some data that's already out there, I can simply make the > correction and vice versa for somebody else looking at data that I have put > out there. There are procedures in place to document what changes were > made, > who made them, when they were made, and why. For the most part, this has > all > been taking place by users logging into the FamilySearch site and doing > their work from there. FamilySearch has recently added a way that such > updates can be made from programs such as RM without users having to logon > directly to FamilySearch. > > Ok, so you have the community tree out there, the results of the collective > research of all the FamilySearch users. Also, FamilySearch has bunches of > databases out there - censuses, birth records, death records, and lots > more. > > These databases are not part of the community tree. They are just raw data. > These databases can serve as sources for users who are putting data into > the > community tree. > > The next step in the hints process is that FamilySearch runs some automated > processes behind the scenes to try to find connections between their > databases and the community tree that has been built by their users. You > can > logon to FamilySearch and see these hints as Record Hints. FamilySearch > only > finds the hints and makes them available. It doesn't confirm or deny > whether > they were correct - for example, whether John Doe age 5 in the 1850 census > was the same person as a John Doe in the community tree who was born in > 1845. FamilySearch users themselves confirm or reject the hints. > > What's happening with RM is that data in your database is being matched > against the community tree. The matches may or may not be correct. That's > for your to decide. But if the matches between your database and the > community tree are correct, and if the Record Hints between the community > tree and the FamilySearch databases are correct, then you will have found > matches between your database and the FamilySearch databases. There is > nothing in the process that will bring sourcing information from the > FamilySearch databases back into your database. You will have to do that > manually. Nevertheless, the hints can be quite useful. Also, you can use RM > to confirm the hints, except that the process is not really confirming the > hints between your database and the community tree nor between your > database > and the FamilySearch databases. Rather, the process is confirming the hints > between the community tree and the FamilySearch databases, the same thing > you can do by logging on directly to FamilySearch without using RM at all. > > Jerry > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat McGrath via > Sent: Thu, February 05, 2015 3:40 PM > To: 'RootsMagic Users List ' > Subject: [RMagic] Web hint question > > Hi: When using Web hints in FamilySearch, I see a document with info on > the > left side of the screen and on the right it says Family Tree .. If not > yours, find tree. > > > > What is really being shown on the right side of the page? I do NOT have a > 'tree' in FamilySearch, nor do I want to put one there at this time. I > seem > to have to leave that screen, go to my RM person screen to see if I have > that info, right info, wrong info, etc. .. Then what? Manually enter info > into RM if it is my person? > > > > Sorry, but I'm finding using this very confusing . must be a senior moment > thing???? But help appreciated! > > > > Pat > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    02/05/2015 11:32:01
    1. Re: [RMagic] Web hint question
    2. Ted Meikle via

    3. There is no reason to be afraid of "matching" a person in your database with a person in FamilySearch Family Tree, if you are convinced they are the same person. When you match the person, you do not change anything on FamilySearch, you only create a link in RootsMagic to that person in FamilySearch. Ted Meikle On 2/5/2015 6:00 PM, Pat McGrath via wrote: > ...--- since I don't truly know if it IS their person ... would > seem like I should check them out, take anything that might be useful to me > and then REJECT the match so that I do not mess up another person's database > / tree .... > >

    02/05/2015 02:00:01
    1. Re: [RMagic] Web hint question
    2. Jerry Bryan via

    3. > SO, the 'tree' I am seeing on the Right side of the > screen is someone elses FamilySearch tree .... If I think the data is ALSO > a > match to the person in MY RM DATABASE I'd jot it down and add it ..... It's not "somebody else's FamilySearch tree". It's "everybody else's FamilySearch tree". It's ne big tree that all users work on together - one big database of everybody. There are three things involved in the process: 1) your tree on your computer, 2) the one big tree on the FamilySearch server that all users work on together, 3) record hints that are hints for the one big tree that all users work on together. What RM is doing is showing you the record hints that are for the one big tree and it's showing the hints on your RM screen. It makes it look like the hints are for your database on your computer. But they are really hints for the one big tree that all users work on together. But even though the hints are not really for your RM database, you can treat them like they are for your RM database because RM is matching people in your database against the one big tree that all users work on together. Jerry (Technically and behind the scenes, I think it's really the FamilySearch server that's doing the matching between your RM database and the one big tree that all users work on together. But as a user, it really doesn't matter where the matching gets done as long as it gets done.)

    02/05/2015 02:54:00