Jerry, Thanks for your hard work assembling these instructions. I was able to follow them for my grandfather and they worked. But I was totally disappointed with the resulting report. It was a 9 page, alphabetical list of individuals that I don't know what I would do with. it shows their spouse, BMD, and children, but there is no indication of how they are related to my grandfather, so I don't know how I should prioritize my research, or who I should research first. Yesterday, and again today, I sent a 4-step instruction on how to make a wall chart of my grandfather's ancestors. It's much more informative. I can readily see their relationship with my grandfather. It tells me that I have 1 dead end in the 3rd generation, none in the 4th and 5th, and 8 in the 6th, etc. Now I can decide which of these dead ends I should research first. The other benefit of the wall chart is that I can send a jpeg of it to my cousins, or my nephew(who I'd like to get interested in continuing my research), and he can immediately see the path forward. The wall chart is far superior. I suggest our readers should try both methods, and decide which would be better for planning their own research. I'm pretty sure this is what Pat McGrath wanted. Bruce Fosnocht ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Bryan via" <rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com> To: "Pat McGrath" <patnbrian@charter.net>; <rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [RMagic] HELP - need 'End of Line' report > On 5/20/2016 14:55, Pat McGrath wrote: >> I hate to be a further 'pain' since it was my question to begin with >> ..... >> BUT.... could someone who has made this work send out all the exact steps >> I >> need to find out what individuals are still missing parents in my >> grandfathers line (back 10 generations) ..... THANKS !!!!!! >> > > 1. Right click any person in your database and select *QuickGroups* > 2. Click *Manage Groups* at the left bottom of the QuickGroups screen > (steps #1 and #2 are just a quick way to get into Groups) > 3. Click *New *at the top left of the Named Groups screen. You will be > in the mark/unmark dialog. The screen is called Select People. > 4. Navigate to your grandfather. The easiest way is to type his name > *Lastname, Firstname Middlename*. It really sort of sucks that it > does no good to have started out with him highlighted before you get > into the Select People dialog, but RM is not user very friendly > about entering into the Select People screen. > 5. *Mark group -> Ancestors of highlighted person* > 6. Pick your generations of ancestors value, and keep the default of > direct ancestors only. Click *Ok*. > 7. *Unmark Group -> Clear data by data fields* (this is where the > screen gets complicated) > 8. *Select field -> Number of sets of parents -> not equal to -> 0*. > The best way to get to the *Number of sets of parents* option is to > type N and then scroll down to the correct option. Click *Ok*. You > will get a message that says *Unmarked nnnnn people*, where nnnnn > will probably be a pretty big number. It is unmarking everybody in > your database who have parents, not just your ancestors who have > parents. So it is unmarking a bunch of people who were already > unmarked. That'a another confusing aspect of this part of the user > interface, but it cannot be helped until and unless the > RootsMagician decides to change it. I think the count should only > show those people who were previously marked who became unmarked, > but that's just me. > 9. Click *Ok *again to terminate the People selection process. > 10. Enter a name for the Group and click *Ok*. > 11. Click *Close*. > 12. Click *Ok *to exit QuickGroups. > > Here ends the creation of the group and the beginning of the creation of > the report. The 12 steps above don't have to be run again unless you > change the members of the group. The 4 steps below can then be run as > many times as you wish against the group. > > 1. *Reports -> Lists -> Individual List -> Generate report*. This of > course doesn't generate the report. Rather, it takes you to another > screen with more options. > 2. The *Selected People* radio button will already be highlighted. DO > NOT CHANGE THIS. DO NOT CLICK NO PARENTS OR MULTIPLE PARENTS OR > ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IN OTHER WORDS, DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WITH ANY > OF THE RADIO BUTTONS. SOMETIMES THE HARDEST THING TO DO IS NOTHING > 3. Where it says *People to include *and there is a large button (not a > radio button) that says *Everyone*. Click on *Everyone *and a list > of all your groups will appear in a drop down list. Click on the > group you just created to select that group. > 4. Click *Generate Report*. This time it really will generate the > report. Print it or save it to a file or whatever you want to do > with it. > > Jerry > > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Unfortunately, Jerry, your instruction to "do nothing" other than selecting the named group is not necessarily correct because RootsMagic remembers the last option that was selected. So it is essential to select the "Selected people" radiobutton if it is not already selected. This is the result of poor design of the user interface which has led to this 50 post discussion, much confusion and mistaken expectations. The "People to include" dropdown list should be disabled for all options but "Selected people". Tom

On 5/20/2016 14:55, Pat McGrath wrote: > I hate to be a further 'pain' since it was my question to begin with ..... > BUT.... could someone who has made this work send out all the exact steps I > need to find out what individuals are still missing parents in my > grandfathers line (back 10 generations) ..... THANKS !!!!!! > 1. Right click any person in your database and select *QuickGroups* 2. Click *Manage Groups* at the left bottom of the QuickGroups screen (steps #1 and #2 are just a quick way to get into Groups) 3. Click *New *at the top left of the Named Groups screen. You will be in the mark/unmark dialog. The screen is called Select People. 4. Navigate to your grandfather. The easiest way is to type his name *Lastname, Firstname Middlename*. It really sort of sucks that it does no good to have started out with him highlighted before you get into the Select People dialog, but RM is not user very friendly about entering into the Select People screen. 5. *Mark group -> Ancestors of highlighted person* 6. Pick your generations of ancestors value, and keep the default of direct ancestors only. Click *Ok*. 7. *Unmark Group -> Clear data by data fields* (this is where the screen gets complicated) 8. *Select field -> Number of sets of parents -> not equal to -> 0*. The best way to get to the *Number of sets of parents* option is to type N and then scroll down to the correct option. Click *Ok*. You will get a message that says *Unmarked nnnnn people*, where nnnnn will probably be a pretty big number. It is unmarking everybody in your database who have parents, not just your ancestors who have parents. So it is unmarking a bunch of people who were already unmarked. That'a another confusing aspect of this part of the user interface, but it cannot be helped until and unless the RootsMagician decides to change it. I think the count should only show those people who were previously marked who became unmarked, but that's just me. 9. Click *Ok *again to terminate the People selection process. 10. Enter a name for the Group and click *Ok*. 11. Click *Close*. 12. Click *Ok *to exit QuickGroups. Here ends the creation of the group and the beginning of the creation of the report. The 12 steps above don't have to be run again unless you change the members of the group. The 4 steps below can then be run as many times as you wish against the group. 1. *Reports -> Lists -> Individual List -> Generate report*. This of course doesn't generate the report. Rather, it takes you to another screen with more options. 2. The *Selected People* radio button will already be highlighted. DO NOT CHANGE THIS. DO NOT CLICK NO PARENTS OR MULTIPLE PARENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IN OTHER WORDS, DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WITH ANY OF THE RADIO BUTTONS. SOMETIMES THE HARDEST THING TO DO IS NOTHING 3. Where it says *People to include *and there is a large button (not a radio button) that says *Everyone*. Click on *Everyone *and a list of all your groups will appear in a drop down list. Click on the group you just created to select that group. 4. Click *Generate Report*. This time it really will generate the report. Print it or save it to a file or whatever you want to do with it. Jerry

Pat McGrath wrote, ".... could someone ... send out all the exact steps I need to find out what individuals are still missing parents in my grandfathers line (back 10 generations)?" This can be done easily in RM7 with a wall chart. 1) Go to your grandfather in the family view 2) Click Report/Charts/Wall Charts 3) In settings, change generations of ancestors from 10 to 20 4) Generate report That's all! In this chart, each of your grandfather's ancestors without parents can be seen in a box with no parents coming out the right end of the box. You could probably play with any of these settings like title, size of the boxes, etc. to make it pretty. You can save it as a .jpg file, which you could probably take to Office Max for printing. Let me know if this works for you. Bruce Fosnocht

Jerry and Pat, I sent both of you an email with images. Hope it helps. Sue > On May 20, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Jerry Bryan via <rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> On 5/20/2016 14:55, Pat McGrath wrote: >> I hate to be a further 'pain' since it was my question to begin with ..... >> BUT.... could someone who has made this work send out all the exact steps I >> need to find out what individuals are still missing parents in my >> grandfathers line (back 10 generations) ..... THANKS !!!!!! > > 1. Right click any person in your database and select *QuickGroups* > 2. Click *Manage Groups* at the left bottom of the QuickGroups screen > (steps #1 and #2 are just a quick way to get into Groups) > 3. Click *New *at the top left of the Named Groups screen. You will be > in the mark/unmark dialog. The screen is called Select People. > 4. Navigate to your grandfather. The easiest way is to type his name > *Lastname, Firstname Middlename*. It really sort of sucks that it > does no good to have started out with him highlighted before you get > into the Select People dialog, but RM is not user very friendly > about entering into the Select People screen. > 5. *Mark group -> Ancestors of highlighted person* > 6. Pick your generations of ancestors value, and keep the default of > direct ancestors only. Click *Ok*. > 7. *Unmark Group -> Clear data by data fields* (this is where the > screen gets complicated) > 8. *Select field -> Number of sets of parents -> not equal to -> 0*. > The best way to get to the *Number of sets of parents* option is to > type N and then scroll down to the correct option. Click *Ok*. You > will get a message that says *Unmarked nnnnn people*, where nnnnn > will probably be a pretty big number. It is unmarking everybody in > your database who have parents, not just your ancestors who have > parents. So it is unmarking a bunch of people who were already > unmarked. That'a another confusing aspect of this part of the user > interface, but it cannot be helped until and unless the > RootsMagician decides to change it. I think the count should only > show those people who were previously marked who became unmarked, > but that's just me. > 9. Click *Ok *again to terminate the People selection process. > 10. Enter a name for the Group and click *Ok*. > 11. Click *Close*. > 12. Click *Ok *to exit QuickGroups. > > Here ends the creation of the group and the beginning of the creation of > the report. The 12 steps above don't have to be run again unless you > change the members of the group. The 4 steps below can then be run as > many times as you wish against the group. > > 1. *Reports -> Lists -> Individual List -> Generate report*. This of > course doesn't generate the report. Rather, it takes you to another > screen with more options. > 2. The *Selected People* radio button will already be highlighted. DO > NOT CHANGE THIS. DO NOT CLICK NO PARENTS OR MULTIPLE PARENTS OR > ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IN OTHER WORDS, DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WITH ANY > OF THE RADIO BUTTONS. SOMETIMES THE HARDEST THING TO DO IS NOTHING > 3. Where it says *People to include *and there is a large button (not a > radio button) that says *Everyone*. Click on *Everyone *and a list > of all your groups will appear in a drop down list. Click on the > group you just created to select that group. > 4. Click *Generate Report*. This time it really will generate the > report. Print it or save it to a file or whatever you want to do > with it. > > Jerry > > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I hate to be a further 'pain' since it was my question to begin with ..... BUT.... could someone who has made this work send out all the exact steps I need to find out what individuals are still missing parents in my grandfathers line (back 10 generations) ..... THANKS !!!!!! TECH SUPPORT: Can I request a report be created and added to the report selections that will automatically create this without all the hassle! Thanks to both groups of folks!!!!! Appreciate all the help trying to get this to work. I don't feel quite so 'dumb' since all of you have way more experience than I do with RM !!!!! Pat Mc -----Original Message----- From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sue Maxwell via Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:45 PM To: Jerry Bryan; rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] HELP - need 'End of Line' report Jerry, you don't need a custom report. Once you have created the group, quit. Then open the regular "individual summary". Where it says "Current person", change that to [your named group]. Don't make any other changes unless you want more or less detail from the "Items to print for each person". If you just want the names of "your named group" then remove all the check marks". Then "generate report". Sue On May 20, 2016, at 10:30 AM, Jerry Bryan via <rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> I first created a group. Inspected the group and it "looked" like it >> was right. To print it, I had to create a custom report, selecting >> that group. Once I had a printed list, I could then verify that it was correct. > >> Once that was done, I went to > >> *Reports->Lists->Individual List->People t >> include->(name of your group)* > >> (your second option). > >> With this report, I got about 10 times the number of names that I got >> in the printed list from the custom report. > > This really sounds quite impossible (or else there is a nasty bug in RM that I can't recreate). > > Could I prevail on you to try a simple experiment? It shouldn't take but a couple of minutes of your time. Either recreate your group just like you did the first time around. Or better yet, maybe it still exists and you can just use it as it is without having to recreate it. > > Having recreated the group (or having found that it still exists), go into People View and select your group. If you are not familiar with People View, it's just one of the Views like Pedigree View, Family View, etc. and there will be a tab for it across the top of the View area. Once in People View, select your group. There is a big button at the top of People View that defaults to Show Everyone. Click on that button and there will be a drop down box listing all your groups. Select the group you made with your end of line ancestors. Your group will now be displayed in People View. This is a much easier and probably more accurate way to inspect a group than is creating a custom report. > > Just by scrolling up and down the members of the group in People View, it should be easy to see if your group contains just your end of line ancestors in your database (the short list) or all end of line people in your database (the long list). Let us know what you see. > > Thanks, > Jerry > > P.S. (and not to be belabor the obvious), when you get the drop down list of groups in People View, be sure that there are not two different groups with very similar names, where one of the groups might be the long list by accident and the other group might be the short list. > > > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found the easiest way around the problem was to create a Named Group of my direct ancestors only, export a GEDCOM of that group only, create a new database, import the GEDCOM, and create the Individual Report, People who have no parents entered It only took a few minutes all up. On 20/05/2016 1:59 PM, Ray Hayes via wrote: > When you choose People who have no parents entered, the "Selected > people" radio button turns off, so you can't generate the report for > just your direct ancestors. > > > On 20/05/2016 1:34 PM, Ray Hayes wrote: >> It is not called "End of Line" as such. >> >> Reports, Lists, Individuals, Create, No parents - People who have no >> parents entered. >> >> I tried Selected People, Select from List, chose myself in the list in >> the left pane, then Mark Group, Ancestors of highlighted person, >> Direct ancestors only, OK, OK, People who have no parents entered, but >> it generated (after a long delay) a list of all end of line people in >> my database. >> >> >> On 20/05/2016 1:10 PM, Jerry Bryan via wrote: >>> Oh, and I just came up with a possible theory as to where this >>> mysterious "End of Line Report" is coming from. Perhaps someone created >>> a group consisting of all their end of line people, and named the group >>> "End of Line Report". After all, groups can be named anything you wish. >>> >>> Absent that, somebody is going to have to produce a screenshot of the >>> RM option where the "end of line report" option exists before I will be >>> convinced. >>> >>> Jerry >>> >>> >>> =================================== >>> RM list Archives: >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS >>> WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: >>> http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

This is a simple question, but RootsMagic7 Charts are not wysiwyg. Every time I try to print a chart with four generations per page, if I print it portrait, it prints half of the page and the right side is cut off, while, if I print it landscape, it prints half the page and the left side is cut off. Am I missing something obvious? Thanks. Yours, Cindy Smith -- *Spawn of a Jewish Carpenter* I'm not a citizen of any country with an organized system of government -- I'm an American! spawnofajewishcarpenter@gmail.com √(-1) Q = √(-1)

When you choose People who have no parents entered, the "Selected people" radio button turns off, so you can't generate the report for just your direct ancestors. On 20/05/2016 1:34 PM, Ray Hayes wrote: > It is not called "End of Line" as such. > > Reports, Lists, Individuals, Create, No parents - People who have no > parents entered. > > I tried Selected People, Select from List, chose myself in the list in > the left pane, then Mark Group, Ancestors of highlighted person, > Direct ancestors only, OK, OK, People who have no parents entered, but > it generated (after a long delay) a list of all end of line people in > my database. > > > On 20/05/2016 1:10 PM, Jerry Bryan via wrote: >> Oh, and I just came up with a possible theory as to where this >> mysterious "End of Line Report" is coming from. Perhaps someone created >> a group consisting of all their end of line people, and named the group >> "End of Line Report". After all, groups can be named anything you wish. >> >> Absent that, somebody is going to have to produce a screenshot of the >> RM option where the "end of line report" option exists before I will be >> convinced. >> >> Jerry >> >> >> =================================== >> RM list Archives: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS >> WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: >> http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >

Cindy, I think the problem might be with your printer settings. It sounds like a different paper size has been selected. Also, check your default margin size. Sue > On May 20, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Cindy Smith via <rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > This is a simple question, but RootsMagic7 Charts are not wysiwyg. Every > time I try to print a chart with four generations per page, if I print it > portrait, it prints half of the page and the right side is cut off, while, > if I print it landscape, it prints half the page and the left side is cut > off. Am I missing something obvious? Thanks. > > Yours, > > Cindy Smith > > -- > *Spawn of a Jewish Carpenter* > > I'm not a citizen of any country with an organized system of government -- > I'm an American! > > spawnofajewishcarpenter@gmail.com > > √(-1) Q = √(-1) > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat, I will email you directly and if you want to talk via phone we can do that too. Sue > On May 20, 2016, at 12:55 PM, Pat McGrath <patnbrian@charter.net> wrote: > > I hate to be a further 'pain' since it was my question to begin with ..... > BUT.... could someone who has made this work send out all the exact steps I > need to find out what individuals are still missing parents in my > grandfathers line (back 10 generations) ..... THANKS !!!!!! > > TECH SUPPORT: Can I request a report be created and added to the report > selections that will automatically create this without all the hassle! > > Thanks to both groups of folks!!!!! Appreciate all the help trying to get > this to work. I don't feel quite so 'dumb' since all of you have way more > experience than I do with RM !!!!! > > Pat Mc > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sue Maxwell via > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:45 PM > To: Jerry Bryan; rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [RMagic] HELP - need 'End of Line' report > > Jerry, you don't need a custom report. Once you have created the group, > quit. > > Then open the regular "individual summary". > > Where it says "Current person", change that to [your named group]. > > Don't make any other changes unless you want more or less detail from the > "Items to print for each person". If you just want the names of "your named > group" then remove all the check marks". > > Then "generate report". > > > Sue > > > > On May 20, 2016, at 10:30 AM, Jerry Bryan via > <rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >>> I first created a group. Inspected the group and it "looked" like it >>> was right. To print it, I had to create a custom report, selecting >>> that group. Once I had a printed list, I could then verify that it was > correct. >> >>> Once that was done, I went to >> >>> *Reports->Lists->Individual List->People t >>> include->(name of your group)* >> >>> (your second option). >> >>> With this report, I got about 10 times the number of names that I got >>> in the printed list from the custom report. >> >> This really sounds quite impossible (or else there is a nasty bug in RM > that I can't recreate). >> >> Could I prevail on you to try a simple experiment? It shouldn't take but a > couple of minutes of your time. Either recreate your group just like you did > the first time around. Or better yet, maybe it still exists and you can just > use it as it is without having to recreate it. >> >> Having recreated the group (or having found that it still exists), go into > People View and select your group. If you are not familiar with People View, > it's just one of the Views like Pedigree View, Family View, etc. and there > will be a tab for it across the top of the View area. Once in People View, > select your group. There is a big button at the top of People View that > defaults to Show Everyone. Click on that button and there will be a drop > down box listing all your groups. Select the group you made with your end of > line ancestors. Your group will now be displayed in People View. This is a > much easier and probably more accurate way to inspect a group than is > creating a custom report. >> >> Just by scrolling up and down the members of the group in People View, it > should be easy to see if your group contains just your end of line ancestors > in your database (the short list) or all end of line people in your database > (the long list). Let us know what you see. >> >> Thanks, >> Jerry >> >> P.S. (and not to be belabor the obvious), when you get the drop down list > of groups in People View, be sure that there are not two different groups > with very similar names, where one of the groups might be the long list by > accident and the other group might be the short list. >> >> >> >> >> >> =================================== >> RM list Archives: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS >> WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: >> http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It is not called "End of Line" as such. Reports, Lists, Individuals, Create, No parents - People who have no parents entered. I tried Selected People, Select from List, chose myself in the list in the left pane, then Mark Group, Ancestors of highlighted person, Direct ancestors only, OK, OK, People who have no parents entered, but it generated (after a long delay) a list of all end of line people in my database. On 20/05/2016 1:10 PM, Jerry Bryan via wrote: > Oh, and I just came up with a possible theory as to where this > mysterious "End of Line Report" is coming from. Perhaps someone created > a group consisting of all their end of line people, and named the group > "End of Line Report". After all, groups can be named anything you wish. > > Absent that, somebody is going to have to produce a screenshot of the > RM option where the "end of line report" option exists before I will be > convinced. > > Jerry > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

> I think you might have hit exactly on the problem. This time I looked, > and sure enough, even tho I had selected the EOL group under select from > list, the button for No Parents was checked. Unchecking that and > selecting the Selected people button then End of line group, did indeed > produce the correct list! I thought I had checked everything very > carefully, since I did this several times, but as I said, this time I > did exactly as you suggested, and it worked. > Ok, so you no longer need to do my proposed experiment of looking at the group from People View. The problem is solved! This little bit of RM user interface is very confusing. If you first click the name of the group and then click on the No Parents button, the name of the group should disappear (or at least become grayed out) because the group is no longer selected. The way the user interface works now, it looks like you are applying the No Parents button to the selected group, but you are not. Having clicked on the No Parents button, the name of the group has now has become irrelevant but the user interface makes it look like the name of the group is still in full force. Jerry

> I first created a group. Inspected the group and it "looked" like it was > right. To print it, I had to create a custom report, selecting that > group. Once I had a printed list, I could then verify that it was correct. > Once that was done, I went to > *Reports->Lists->Individual List->People t > include->(name of your group)* > (your second option). > With this report, I got about 10 times the number of names that I got in > the printed list from the custom report. This really sounds quite impossible (or else there is a nasty bug in RM that I can't recreate). Could I prevail on you to try a simple experiment? It shouldn't take but a couple of minutes of your time. Either recreate your group just like you did the first time around. Or better yet, maybe it still exists and you can just use it as it is without having to recreate it. Having recreated the group (or having found that it still exists), go into People View and select your group. If you are not familiar with People View, it's just one of the Views like Pedigree View, Family View, etc. and there will be a tab for it across the top of the View area. Once in People View, select your group. There is a big button at the top of People View that defaults to Show Everyone. Click on that button and there will be a drop down box listing all your groups. Select the group you made with your end of line ancestors. Your group will now be displayed in People View. This is a much easier and probably more accurate way to inspect a group than is creating a custom report. Just by scrolling up and down the members of the group in People View, it should be easy to see if your group contains just your end of line ancestors in your database (the short list) or all end of line people in your database (the long list). Let us know what you see. Thanks, Jerry P.S. (and not to be belabor the obvious), when you get the drop down list of groups in People View, be sure that there are not two different groups with very similar names, where one of the groups might be the long list by accident and the other group might be the short list.

And I will bet that the others who said the named group process did not work probably did the same thing. On 5/20/2016 11:44 AM, Charlie Hoffpauir wrote: > On 5/20/2016 10:15 AM, Charles R. Weese via wrote: >> Charlie, >> When you did the last report, ie. the Reports->Lists->Individual >> List->People to >> include->(name of your group)*, did you then click on any other button >> on the top of the individual list report settings screen? Those four >> radio buttons in the top part of the screen are mutually exclusive. If >> you click on the no parents button, you will deselect the named group >> selection (notice which buttons are still filled in) and you will get >> everyone in your database who has no parents. To get the report you >> want, select the named group and stop right there. Click on Generate >> Report. >> > Charles, > > I think you might have hit exactly on the problem. This time I looked, > and sure enough, even tho I had selected the EOL group under select from > list, the button for No Parents was checked. Unchecking that and > selecting the Selected people button then End of line group, did indeed > produce the correct list! I thought I had checked everything very > carefully, since I did this several times, but as I said, this time I > did exactly as you suggested, and it worked. > > -- > Charlie Hoffpauir > > http://my.rootsmagic.com/CRHoffpauir/ > http://sites.rootsmagic.com/CharlieHoffpauir/ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/ > http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Hoffpauir > > -- ====================================================== Charles R. Weese, Jackson, OH I maintain the following USGenWeb county sites: Gallia County Ohio at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ohgallia/gallia.htm Jackson County Ohio at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ohjackso/jackson.htm Vinton County Ohio at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ohvinton/vinton.htm I am also the listowner of the Jackson County mailing list: ohjackso@rootsweb.ancestry.com and the Vinton County mailing list: ohvinton@rootsweb.ancestry.com however, someone else has the Gallia County mailing list. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Charlie Using the second method - instead of creating a named group why not use the same steps to produce an Individual List report? David -----Original Message----- From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Hoffpauir via Sent: Friday, 20 May 2016 10:19 AM To: Pat McGrath; rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] HELP - need 'End of Line' report I'll weigh in on this discussion with what I've experienced in trying to duplicate what others have posted.... >> Pat, here is a post that Renee listed from 2013 in the online forum: >> >> You can create a list or group of your end-of-line ancestors using >> RootsMagic. >> >> Reports > Lists > Individual List > No parents People to include: >> select from a list Highlight the starting person and check their box >> then click on Mark group, select "Ancestors of highlighted person" >> Direct ancestors - set the number of generations Click OK, OK, >> generate report This just doesn't work. As others have posted several times, this produces the "end of line" for everyone in the database. This "should" work, but it doesn't. >> You can also create a group of your end-of-line ancestors and filter >> your list on them. >> >> Create a Group - New >> Highlight starting person >> Click Mark Group >> Select all ancestors of a person - direct ancestors only Click Unmark >> Group Clear people by data fields Select "Number of sets of parents", >> "greater than" and enter 0 Click OK, OK, OK Enter name for the group >> This "kind of" works. You can certainly create a named group, I named mine "end of Line" but if I then try the report/list specifying to use this list, again RM produces the names of everyone in the database with an end of line. However, since the named group certainly looks like it's the right data. I then created a custom report with only one field, <name>, and in generating the report to use the named group "end of line", and got what I wanted, a list of names that are my ancestral end of lines. So in my view there is a rather obnoxious bug in the report/list feature of RM. -- Charlie Hoffpauir http://my.rootsmagic.com/CRHoffpauir/ http://sites.rootsmagic.com/CharlieHoffpauir/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/ http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Hoffpauir =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Charles I'm using 7.2.0.1 (5 May 2016) also BUT I'm not seeing the 'End of Line' option you are suggesting in the drop-down list. I only have 'Everyone' and 'Select from List'. Am I missing something? David -----Original Message----- From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charles R. Weese via Sent: Friday, 20 May 2016 11:17 AM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] HELP - need 'End of Line' report Instead of trying the various multi-step procedures (which I am not convinced are being done properly), why not just use the built-in End-of-Line report in RM7? Highlight the person you want the ancestors of and go to Reports>lists>individual-list and click on Create Report. Then where it says Selected People, choose end of line from the drop down list. Then click on Generate Report. I have 7.2.0.1 (5 May 2016). -- ====================================================== Charles R. Weese, Jackson, OH I maintain the following USGenWeb county sites: Gallia County Ohio at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ohgallia/gallia.htm Jackson County Ohio at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ohjackso/jackson.htm Vinton County Ohio at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ohvinton/vinton.htm I am also the listowner of the Jackson County mailing list: ohjackso@rootsweb.ancestry.com and the Vinton County mailing list: ohvinton@rootsweb.ancestry.com however, someone else has the Gallia County mailing list. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Charlie, When you did the last report, ie. the Reports->Lists->Individual List->People to include->(name of your group)*, did you then click on any other button on the top of the individual list report settings screen? Those four radio buttons in the top part of the screen are mutually exclusive. If you click on the no parents button, you will deselect the named group selection (notice which buttons are still filled in) and you will get everyone in your database who has no parents. To get the report you want, select the named group and stop right there. Click on Generate Report. On 5/20/2016 10:53 AM, Charlie Hoffpauir via wrote: >> > Jerry, > > I first created a group. Inspected the group and it "looked" like it was > right. To print it, I had to create a custom report, selecting that > group. Once I had a printed list, I could then verify that it was correct. > > Once that was done, I went to > > *Reports->Lists->Individual List->People to > include->(name of your group)* > > (your second option). > > With this report, I got about 10 times the number of names that I got in > the printed list from the custom report. > > This is essentially what I posted yesterday. > > I certainly agree that the first option or the second option should > produce the same results (but I haven't tried your first option), but > for me at least, I'm not getting my end of line "ancestors" with this > procedure, I'm getting everyone's end of line ancestors. So I'm seeing > precisely what several others who have tried this and seen. > > -- ====================================================== Charles R. Weese, Jackson, OH I maintain the following USGenWeb county sites: Gallia County Ohio at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ohgallia/gallia.htm Jackson County Ohio at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ohjackso/jackson.htm Vinton County Ohio at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ohvinton/vinton.htm I am also the listowner of the Jackson County mailing list: ohjackso@rootsweb.ancestry.com and the Vinton County mailing list: ohvinton@rootsweb.ancestry.com however, someone else has the Gallia County mailing list. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Jerry, you don't need a custom report. Once you have created the group, quit. Then open the regular "individual summary". Where it says "Current person", change that to [your named group]. Don't make any other changes unless you want more or less detail from the "Items to print for each person". If you just want the names of "your named group" then remove all the check marks". Then "generate report". Sue On May 20, 2016, at 10:30 AM, Jerry Bryan via <rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> I first created a group. Inspected the group and it "looked" like it was >> right. To print it, I had to create a custom report, selecting that >> group. Once I had a printed list, I could then verify that it was correct. > >> Once that was done, I went to > >> *Reports->Lists->Individual List->People t >> include->(name of your group)* > >> (your second option). > >> With this report, I got about 10 times the number of names that I got in >> the printed list from the custom report. > > This really sounds quite impossible (or else there is a nasty bug in RM that I can't recreate). > > Could I prevail on you to try a simple experiment? It shouldn't take but a couple of minutes of your time. Either recreate your group just like you did the first time around. Or better yet, maybe it still exists and you can just use it as it is without having to recreate it. > > Having recreated the group (or having found that it still exists), go into People View and select your group. If you are not familiar with People View, it's just one of the Views like Pedigree View, Family View, etc. and there will be a tab for it across the top of the View area. Once in People View, select your group. There is a big button at the top of People View that defaults to Show Everyone. Click on that button and there will be a drop down box listing all your groups. Select the group you made with your end of line ancestors. Your group will now be displayed in People View. This is a much easier and probably more accurate way to inspect a group than is creating a custom report. > > Just by scrolling up and down the members of the group in People View, it should be easy to see if your group contains just your end of line ancestors in your database (the short list) or all end of line people in your database (the long list). Let us know what you see. > > Thanks, > Jerry > > P.S. (and not to be belabor the obvious), when you get the drop down list of groups in People View, be sure that there are not two different groups with very similar names, where one of the groups might be the long list by accident and the other group might be the short list. > > > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 5/20/2016 10:15 AM, Charles R. Weese via wrote: > Charlie, > When you did the last report, ie. the Reports->Lists->Individual > List->People to > include->(name of your group)*, did you then click on any other button > on the top of the individual list report settings screen? Those four > radio buttons in the top part of the screen are mutually exclusive. If > you click on the no parents button, you will deselect the named group > selection (notice which buttons are still filled in) and you will get > everyone in your database who has no parents. To get the report you > want, select the named group and stop right there. Click on Generate > Report. > Charles, I think you might have hit exactly on the problem. This time I looked, and sure enough, even tho I had selected the EOL group under select from list, the button for No Parents was checked. Unchecking that and selecting the Selected people button then End of line group, did indeed produce the correct list! I thought I had checked everything very carefully, since I did this several times, but as I said, this time I did exactly as you suggested, and it worked. -- Charlie Hoffpauir http://my.rootsmagic.com/CRHoffpauir/ http://sites.rootsmagic.com/CharlieHoffpauir/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/ http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Hoffpauir