I have recently updated to RM7 (updates installed) and after doing some drag and drop between Data bases I know I have some Duplicates, but when I try to use either Duplicate search, or Auto merge I get an error window with send report to RM which I have sent, this is happening on both my lap top Win7 and desk top WinXP , is it me or the program, Cheers Jenny

A couple of weeks ago I also had a problem with merges that may have been the same thing. I clicked on the error message to send the report to RM. I tried to locate the problem area and I think it has something to do with the file that is created in merges called your-database-name.DUP in your database folder. RM doesn't seem to delete this file when the merges are finished or cancelled, although I think it should. You can try deleting that file if it is in your database folder. I cancelled out of the merge screen before completing all the merge suggestions and I think that is what started the problem. I tried to duplicate the problem this morning when I saw your message, but I was unable to do so. I had already downloaded the new update to 7.2.1.0 so who knows, maybe that helped it. On 5/25/2016 4:13 AM, Jenny via wrote: > I have recently updated to RM7 (updates installed) and after doing some drag and drop between Data bases I know I have some Duplicates, but when I try to use either Duplicate search, or Auto merge I get an error window with send report to RM which I have sent, this is happening on both my lap top Win7 and desk top WinXP , is it me or the program, > Cheers Jenny > ====================================================== Charles R. Weese, Jackson, OH I maintain the following USGenWeb county sites: Gallia County Ohio at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ohgallia/gallia.htm Jackson County Ohio at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ohjackso/jackson.htm Vinton County Ohio at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ohvinton/vinton.htm I am also the listowner of the Jackson County mailing list: ohjackso@rootsweb.ancestry.com and the Vinton County mailing list: ohvinton@rootsweb.ancestry.com however, someone else has the Gallia County mailing list. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

On 5/23/16, Jon P Czarowitz <czarowitz@gmail.com> wrote: > My first thought is the ext. hard drive is slower than your computer > or reuires a password. > I suggest saving to a folder on your desktop and than transferring it > to the hard drive. > I have found that every ext backup source I picked was slower than the > RM program itself. You can wait longer before shutting down or ty > this. > Jon > > On 5/23/16, Sharon Reinhardt via <rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> I am using Window 7 and Rootsmagic 7.2, Since I upgraded to Rootsmagic 7, >> ever so often when I do a backup to the external hard drive, my computer >> will freeze and the only way I can shut it down is by holding down the >> power button. This doesn't happen all the time so I can't get any clues >> as >> to why it happens at random times. I have even tried shutting down the >> computer using Task Manager and that doesn't work. Is anyone else having >> this problem? I am a long time user of Rootsmagic and have not had this >> problem in the past. >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> Sharon Reinhardt >> >> >> =================================== >> RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS >> WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: >> http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > -- > -- > *Jon P Czarowitz*, NHC, GF, GGF, IGC > Hempel Genealogist since 1986 > Cunningham Genealogist since 1987 > Retired International Genealogist > RootsMagic 7 http://www.rootsmagic.com > -- -- *Jon P Czarowitz*, NHC, GF, GGF, IGC Hempel Genealogist since 1986 Cunningham Genealogist since 1987 Retired International Genealogist RootsMagic 7 http://www.rootsmagic.com

My first thought is the ext. hard drive is slower than your computer or reuires a password. I suggest saving to a folder on your desktop and than transferring it to the hard drive. I have found that every ext backup source I picked was slower than the RM program itself. You can wait longer before shutting down or ty this. Jon On 5/23/16, Sharon Reinhardt via <rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I am using Window 7 and Rootsmagic 7.2, Since I upgraded to Rootsmagic 7, > ever so often when I do a backup to the external hard drive, my computer > will freeze and the only way I can shut it down is by holding down the > power button. This doesn't happen all the time so I can't get any clues as > to why it happens at random times. I have even tried shutting down the > computer using Task Manager and that doesn't work. Is anyone else having > this problem? I am a long time user of Rootsmagic and have not had this > problem in the past. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Sharon Reinhardt > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- -- *Jon P Czarowitz*, NHC, GF, GGF, IGC Hempel Genealogist since 1986 Cunningham Genealogist since 1987 Retired International Genealogist RootsMagic 7 http://www.rootsmagic.com

Are you running Windows 10? I have problems with it finding my external hard drive and hanging up for long periods when using Quicken. It worked fine with three or four earlier Windows versions. If I ask for a backup shortly after booting up, it works fine, but it wont even see the external hard drive using the Windows Explorer after I have been logged on for any length of time. Windows 10 keeps sending out upgrades, maybe they will get to this one before too long. And maybe your problem is something else. Good luck, Alfred ================================= On 5/23/2016 12:15 PM, Sharon Reinhardt via wrote: > I am using Window 7 and Rootsmagic 7.2, Since I upgraded to Rootsmagic 7, > ever so often when I do a backup to the external hard drive, my computer > will freeze and the only way I can shut it down is by holding down the > power button. This doesn't happen all the time so I can't get any clues as > to why it happens at random times. I have even tried shutting down the > computer using Task Manager and that doesn't work. Is anyone else having > this problem? I am a long time user of Rootsmagic and have not had this > problem in the past. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Sharon Reinhardt >

No such problems here thank goodness.Sorry it's happening to you.Good Luck,Lou From: Sharon Reinhardt via <rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com> To: ROOTSMAGIC-USERS@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 12:15 PM Subject: [RMagic] Problems backing up to external hard drive I am using Window 7 and Rootsmagic 7.2, Since I upgraded to Rootsmagic 7, ever so often when I do a backup to the external hard drive, my computer will freeze and the only way I can shut it down is by holding down the power button. This doesn't happen all the time so I can't get any clues as to why it happens at random times. I have even tried shutting down the computer using Task Manager and that doesn't work.  Is anyone else having this problem? I am a long time user of Rootsmagic and have not had this problem in the past. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sharon Reinhardt =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Tom Holden via < rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Is this the same Drew Smith who administers this group? If so, > congratulations, Drew! > > https://blog.eogn.com/2016/05/03/drew-smith-awarded-the-filby-award-for-genealogical-librarianship/ > > Tom > Thanks, Tom! And thanks everyone else! (Sorry for the delay in responding, things have been busy around here lately.) Drew Smith RootsMagic-Users List Administrator

I am using Window 7 and Rootsmagic 7.2, Since I upgraded to Rootsmagic 7, ever so often when I do a backup to the external hard drive, my computer will freeze and the only way I can shut it down is by holding down the power button. This doesn't happen all the time so I can't get any clues as to why it happens at random times. I have even tried shutting down the computer using Task Manager and that doesn't work. Is anyone else having this problem? I am a long time user of Rootsmagic and have not had this problem in the past. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sharon Reinhardt

For me the death will always be first when they are the same date even though I enter the birth first. I just correct it with the sort date. J Davis Kayla Compare the dates. It seems you entered the birth as more current than the death fact. Usually happens when is 18xx and the other is 19xx. Jon *** --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

I have noticed that in the past, if there is no date, they do it alphabetically. Check when you enter, birth and date with no dates in them. Betty -----Original Message----- From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Davis via Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 4:38 PM To: Jon P Czarowitz <czarowitz@gmail.com>; Kyla Bayang <kylabayang@att.net>; rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [RMagic] Same birth and death dates For me the death will always be first when they are the same date even though I enter the birth first. I just correct it with the sort date. J Davis Kayla Compare the dates. It seems you entered the birth as more current than the death fact. Usually happens when is 18xx and the other is 19xx. Jon *** --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Facts having the same date are sorted in the order added. The SortDate is the tool to set the order to waht you want. You can suffix the SortDate with -1, -2, -3... to put them in order while preserving the basic SortDate. Tom On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Kyla Bayang via < rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I noticed I have a baby listed in my database that was born and died on the > same day. For some reason, his death fact is above his birth fact. Is > there a reason for this? Did I enter it that way? > > > > How do I fix it properly? I changed the sort date and that seemed to work, > but is that the correct answer? > > > > > > Kyla Bayang > > > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Kayla Compare the dates. It seems you entered the birth as more current than the death fact. Usually happens when is 18xx and the other is 19xx. Jon *** On 5/22/16, Kyla Bayang via <rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I noticed I have a baby listed in my database that was born and died on the > same day. For some reason, his death fact is above his birth fact. Is > there a reason for this? Did I enter it that way? > > > > How do I fix it properly? I changed the sort date and that seemed to work, > but is that the correct answer? > > > > > > Kyla Bayang > > > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- -- *Jon P Czarowitz*, NHC, GF, GGF, IGC Hempel Genealogist since 1986 Cunningham Genealogist since 1987 Retired International Genealogist RootsMagic 7 http://www.rootsmagic.com

I noticed I have a baby listed in my database that was born and died on the same day. For some reason, his death fact is above his birth fact. Is there a reason for this? Did I enter it that way? How do I fix it properly? I changed the sort date and that seemed to work, but is that the correct answer? Kyla Bayang

Oh, YES, I know! Guess I need to live to 150 and maybe I'll get them all!!!! Pat -----Original Message----- From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard Damon via Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 3:09 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] HELP - need 'End of Line' report On 5/21/16 2:46 PM, Pat McGrath via wrote: > Thanks Jerry! Will give this a try also! > > There is always going to be a point, at least in my lifetime, where > some folks will not have parents given!!!! > > So much fun trying to figure these things out! > Pat > One other thing to remember is that normally for every person who you find out who their parents are, you have just added two new people to the list of people without parents. -- Richard Damon =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 5/21/16 2:46 PM, Pat McGrath via wrote: > Thanks Jerry! Will give this a try also! > > There is always going to be a point, at least in my lifetime, where some > folks will not have parents given!!!! > > So much fun trying to figure these things out! > Pat > One other thing to remember is that normally for every person who you find out who their parents are, you have just added two new people to the list of people without parents. -- Richard Damon

Thanks Jerry! Will give this a try also! There is always going to be a point, at least in my lifetime, where some folks will not have parents given!!!! So much fun trying to figure these things out! Pat -----Original Message----- From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Bryan via Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 9:40 AM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] HELP - need 'End of Line' report On 5/21/2016 09:09, Pat McGrath wrote: > Actually what I wanted after I got to the correct folks, was a list > .... a report that gave me JUST the B-M-D for that last person thus > giving me at least a starting place to research for the parents of that last person. > > Sadly if I select 'facts' I get a 200 page report ---- not what I want!!!!! After the group of end of line ancestors is successfully created, you can do lots of things with it. The quickest and easiest report to produce with the group is probably the Individual Report, but the Individual Report produces a lot of paper as you describe above. You can get much less paper (like none!) by using People View in combination with your group and it's really easy to use. You get one line of data per person, so the list of data is very short. Unfortunately, you can't get B-M-D data in People View, only B-D data because People View does not support marriage facts or any other "family facts" (facts for couples) such as divorce. It doesn't seem to me that there is a good reason for this restriction on couple facts in People View, but the restriction is there. You can get much less paper by using a Custom Report in combination with your group. Setting up a Custom Report in RM is not the most user friendly thing in the world, but neither is it rocket science. Basically you "draw a picture" of what you want your report to look like. Your report will have rows and columns. Most typically, your columns will be data elements such as name, birth date, marriage date, and death date. Most typically there will be one row in the report for each person, although you can have more than one row for each person if all the data you want to see won't fit on one line of text. But if you have more than one row for each person, then your report often won't line up in columns very nicely. When you "draw your picture" of what you want you report to look like, you have a header row with column headers such as "Name", "Birth Date", etc. and you have a data row called Row 1 where you specify the fields you wish to display for each person such as name, birth date, etc. You can have a Row 2, a Row 3, etc. for each person, but as I already mentioned it's not common to do so. After you actually generate the report, you can look at it on the screen (no paper), print it (small amount of paper), or save it as something like a text file or an rtf file (no paper). Jerry =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat, Aren't you missing something? Once you've done the pedigree chart and got the correct person, you already have the necessary report available to guide your research. All the facts you are asking for below are in the Family Group Sheet for that person. What could be simpler or more transportable? In addition, RM also offers the chance to use the GenSmarts option under tools. This would provide specific research suggestions. Good luck in your research! Bruce Fosnocht ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat McGrath" <patnbrian@charter.net> To: "'Bruce Fosnocht'" <bfosnocht@charter.net>; "'Jerry Bryan'" <c24m48@hotmail.com>; <rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 9:09 AM Subject: RE: [RMagic] HELP - need 'End of Line' report > Actually what I wanted after I got to the correct folks, was a list .... a > report that gave me JUST the B-M-D for that last person thus giving me at > least a starting place to research for the parents of that last person. > > Sadly if I select 'facts' I get a 200 page report ---- not what I > want!!!!! > I have printed the pedigree chart for each direct line and can look at > that > to see who doesn't yet have parents, but I was hoping for a simpler (ha > ha) > and more transportable report to work with! > > Then I'd have something like: > Ben Smith doesn't have parents in my database > ---- where could I begin to look for documents that might show me their > names > ------ he was born in Shoreham, Vermont 25 Jun 1908 > ------ he got married in Gardner, Massachusetts About 1928 > ------ he died in Marlborough, Massachusetts 13 May 1930 > > Places I can begin to search and hopefully find the missing information. > Might be nice to be able to select a military fact for where he entered > the > U.S. Navy (or some selections), but I don't want every single fact about > his > life thus creating a massive report! > > Thanks again. Everyone for your in-depth help! This group is > fantastic!!!!! > Pat Mc > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Fosnocht [mailto:bfosnocht@charter.net] > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 8:24 PM > To: Jerry Bryan; rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com; Pat McGrath > Subject: Re: [RMagic] HELP - need 'End of Line' report > > Jerry, > > Thanks for your hard work assembling these instructions. I was able to > follow them for my grandfather and they worked. > > But I was totally disappointed with the resulting report. It was a 9 page, > alphabetical list of individuals that I don't know what I would do with. > it > shows their spouse, BMD, and children, but there is no indication of how > they are related to my grandfather, so I don't know how I should > prioritize > my research, or who I should research first. > > Yesterday, and again today, I sent a 4-step instruction on how to make a > wall chart of my grandfather's ancestors. It's much more informative. I > can > readily see their relationship with my grandfather. It tells me that I > have > 1 dead end in the 3rd generation, none in the 4th and 5th, and 8 in the > 6th, > etc. > > Now I can decide which of these dead ends I should research first. > > The other benefit of the wall chart is that I can send a jpeg of it to my > cousins, or my nephew(who I'd like to get interested in continuing my > research), and he can immediately see the path forward. > > The wall chart is far superior. I suggest our readers should try both > methods, and decide which would be better for planning their own research. > I'm pretty sure this is what Pat McGrath wanted. > > Bruce Fosnocht > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Bryan via" <rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com> > To: "Pat McGrath" <patnbrian@charter.net>; <rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 4:39 PM > Subject: Re: [RMagic] HELP - need 'End of Line' report > > >> On 5/20/2016 14:55, Pat McGrath wrote: >>> I hate to be a further 'pain' since it was my question to begin with >>> ..... >>> BUT.... could someone who has made this work send out all the exact >>> steps > >>> I >>> need to find out what individuals are still missing parents in my >>> grandfathers line (back 10 generations) ..... THANKS !!!!!! >>> >> >> 1. Right click any person in your database and select *QuickGroups* >> 2. Click *Manage Groups* at the left bottom of the QuickGroups screen >> (steps #1 and #2 are just a quick way to get into Groups) >> 3. Click *New *at the top left of the Named Groups screen. You will be >> in the mark/unmark dialog. The screen is called Select People. >> 4. Navigate to your grandfather. The easiest way is to type his name >> *Lastname, Firstname Middlename*. It really sort of sucks that it >> does no good to have started out with him highlighted before you get >> into the Select People dialog, but RM is not user very friendly >> about entering into the Select People screen. >> 5. *Mark group -> Ancestors of highlighted person* >> 6. Pick your generations of ancestors value, and keep the default of >> direct ancestors only. Click *Ok*. >> 7. *Unmark Group -> Clear data by data fields* (this is where the >> screen gets complicated) >> 8. *Select field -> Number of sets of parents -> not equal to -> 0*. >> The best way to get to the *Number of sets of parents* option is to >> type N and then scroll down to the correct option. Click *Ok*. You >> will get a message that says *Unmarked nnnnn people*, where nnnnn >> will probably be a pretty big number. It is unmarking everybody in >> your database who have parents, not just your ancestors who have >> parents. So it is unmarking a bunch of people who were already >> unmarked. That'a another confusing aspect of this part of the user >> interface, but it cannot be helped until and unless the >> RootsMagician decides to change it. I think the count should only >> show those people who were previously marked who became unmarked, >> but that's just me. >> 9. Click *Ok *again to terminate the People selection process. >> 10. Enter a name for the Group and click *Ok*. >> 11. Click *Close*. >> 12. Click *Ok *to exit QuickGroups. >> >> Here ends the creation of the group and the beginning of the creation of >> the report. The 12 steps above don't have to be run again unless you >> change the members of the group. The 4 steps below can then be run as >> many times as you wish against the group. >> >> 1. *Reports -> Lists -> Individual List -> Generate report*. This of >> course doesn't generate the report. Rather, it takes you to another >> screen with more options. >> 2. The *Selected People* radio button will already be highlighted. DO >> NOT CHANGE THIS. DO NOT CLICK NO PARENTS OR MULTIPLE PARENTS OR >> ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IN OTHER WORDS, DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WITH ANY >> OF THE RADIO BUTTONS. SOMETIMES THE HARDEST THING TO DO IS NOTHING >> 3. Where it says *People to include *and there is a large button (not a >> radio button) that says *Everyone*. Click on *Everyone *and a list >> of all your groups will appear in a drop down list. Click on the >> group you just created to select that group. >> 4. Click *Generate Report*. This time it really will generate the >> report. Print it or save it to a file or whatever you want to do >> with it. >> >> Jerry >> >> >> >> >> =================================== >> RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS >> WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: >> http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

On 5/21/2016 09:09, Pat McGrath wrote: > Actually what I wanted after I got to the correct folks, was a list .... a > report that gave me JUST the B-M-D for that last person thus giving me at > least a starting place to research for the parents of that last person. > > Sadly if I select 'facts' I get a 200 page report ---- not what I want!!!!! After the group of end of line ancestors is successfully created, you can do lots of things with it. The quickest and easiest report to produce with the group is probably the Individual Report, but the Individual Report produces a lot of paper as you describe above. You can get much less paper (like none!) by using People View in combination with your group and it's really easy to use. You get one line of data per person, so the list of data is very short. Unfortunately, you can't get B-M-D data in People View, only B-D data because People View does not support marriage facts or any other "family facts" (facts for couples) such as divorce. It doesn't seem to me that there is a good reason for this restriction on couple facts in People View, but the restriction is there. You can get much less paper by using a Custom Report in combination with your group. Setting up a Custom Report in RM is not the most user friendly thing in the world, but neither is it rocket science. Basically you "draw a picture" of what you want your report to look like. Your report will have rows and columns. Most typically, your columns will be data elements such as name, birth date, marriage date, and death date. Most typically there will be one row in the report for each person, although you can have more than one row for each person if all the data you want to see won't fit on one line of text. But if you have more than one row for each person, then your report often won't line up in columns very nicely. When you "draw your picture" of what you want you report to look like, you have a header row with column headers such as "Name", "Birth Date", etc. and you have a data row called Row 1 where you specify the fields you wish to display for each person such as name, birth date, etc. You can have a Row 2, a Row 3, etc. for each person, but as I already mentioned it's not common to do so. After you actually generate the report, you can look at it on the screen (no paper), print it (small amount of paper), or save it as something like a text file or an rtf file (no paper). Jerry

Actually what I wanted after I got to the correct folks, was a list .... a report that gave me JUST the B-M-D for that last person thus giving me at least a starting place to research for the parents of that last person. Sadly if I select 'facts' I get a 200 page report ---- not what I want!!!!! I have printed the pedigree chart for each direct line and can look at that to see who doesn't yet have parents, but I was hoping for a simpler (ha ha) and more transportable report to work with! Then I'd have something like: Ben Smith doesn't have parents in my database ---- where could I begin to look for documents that might show me their names ------ he was born in Shoreham, Vermont 25 Jun 1908 ------ he got married in Gardner, Massachusetts About 1928 ------ he died in Marlborough, Massachusetts 13 May 1930 Places I can begin to search and hopefully find the missing information. Might be nice to be able to select a military fact for where he entered the U.S. Navy (or some selections), but I don't want every single fact about his life thus creating a massive report! Thanks again. Everyone for your in-depth help! This group is fantastic!!!!! Pat Mc -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Fosnocht [mailto:bfosnocht@charter.net] Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 8:24 PM To: Jerry Bryan; rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com; Pat McGrath Subject: Re: [RMagic] HELP - need 'End of Line' report Jerry, Thanks for your hard work assembling these instructions. I was able to follow them for my grandfather and they worked. But I was totally disappointed with the resulting report. It was a 9 page, alphabetical list of individuals that I don't know what I would do with. it shows their spouse, BMD, and children, but there is no indication of how they are related to my grandfather, so I don't know how I should prioritize my research, or who I should research first. Yesterday, and again today, I sent a 4-step instruction on how to make a wall chart of my grandfather's ancestors. It's much more informative. I can readily see their relationship with my grandfather. It tells me that I have 1 dead end in the 3rd generation, none in the 4th and 5th, and 8 in the 6th, etc. Now I can decide which of these dead ends I should research first. The other benefit of the wall chart is that I can send a jpeg of it to my cousins, or my nephew(who I'd like to get interested in continuing my research), and he can immediately see the path forward. The wall chart is far superior. I suggest our readers should try both methods, and decide which would be better for planning their own research. I'm pretty sure this is what Pat McGrath wanted. Bruce Fosnocht ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Bryan via" <rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com> To: "Pat McGrath" <patnbrian@charter.net>; <rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [RMagic] HELP - need 'End of Line' report > On 5/20/2016 14:55, Pat McGrath wrote: >> I hate to be a further 'pain' since it was my question to begin with >> ..... >> BUT.... could someone who has made this work send out all the exact steps >> I >> need to find out what individuals are still missing parents in my >> grandfathers line (back 10 generations) ..... THANKS !!!!!! >> > > 1. Right click any person in your database and select *QuickGroups* > 2. Click *Manage Groups* at the left bottom of the QuickGroups screen > (steps #1 and #2 are just a quick way to get into Groups) > 3. Click *New *at the top left of the Named Groups screen. You will be > in the mark/unmark dialog. The screen is called Select People. > 4. Navigate to your grandfather. The easiest way is to type his name > *Lastname, Firstname Middlename*. It really sort of sucks that it > does no good to have started out with him highlighted before you get > into the Select People dialog, but RM is not user very friendly > about entering into the Select People screen. > 5. *Mark group -> Ancestors of highlighted person* > 6. Pick your generations of ancestors value, and keep the default of > direct ancestors only. Click *Ok*. > 7. *Unmark Group -> Clear data by data fields* (this is where the > screen gets complicated) > 8. *Select field -> Number of sets of parents -> not equal to -> 0*. > The best way to get to the *Number of sets of parents* option is to > type N and then scroll down to the correct option. Click *Ok*. You > will get a message that says *Unmarked nnnnn people*, where nnnnn > will probably be a pretty big number. It is unmarking everybody in > your database who have parents, not just your ancestors who have > parents. So it is unmarking a bunch of people who were already > unmarked. That'a another confusing aspect of this part of the user > interface, but it cannot be helped until and unless the > RootsMagician decides to change it. I think the count should only > show those people who were previously marked who became unmarked, > but that's just me. > 9. Click *Ok *again to terminate the People selection process. > 10. Enter a name for the Group and click *Ok*. > 11. Click *Close*. > 12. Click *Ok *to exit QuickGroups. > > Here ends the creation of the group and the beginning of the creation of > the report. The 12 steps above don't have to be run again unless you > change the members of the group. The 4 steps below can then be run as > many times as you wish against the group. > > 1. *Reports -> Lists -> Individual List -> Generate report*. This of > course doesn't generate the report. Rather, it takes you to another > screen with more options. > 2. The *Selected People* radio button will already be highlighted. DO > NOT CHANGE THIS. DO NOT CLICK NO PARENTS OR MULTIPLE PARENTS OR > ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IN OTHER WORDS, DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WITH ANY > OF THE RADIO BUTTONS. SOMETIMES THE HARDEST THING TO DO IS NOTHING > 3. Where it says *People to include *and there is a large button (not a > radio button) that says *Everyone*. Click on *Everyone *and a list > of all your groups will appear in a drop down list. Click on the > group you just created to select that group. > 4. Click *Generate Report*. This time it really will generate the > report. Print it or save it to a file or whatever you want to do > with it. > > Jerry > > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bruce Go to tools and set the relationship to your Grandfather.Then run your report. . Clicking on a person will show his/her relationship to him. (Before you print that is.) You could run a complete relationship report so when the other report is completed you can find the person on it. Jon *** On 5/20/16, Bruce Fosnocht via <rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Jerry, > > Thanks for your hard work assembling these instructions. I was able to > follow them for my grandfather and they worked. > > But I was totally disappointed with the resulting report. It was a 9 page, > alphabetical list of individuals that I don't know what I would do with. it > > shows their spouse, BMD, and children, but there is no indication of how > they are related to my grandfather, so I don't know how I should prioritize > > my research, or who I should research first. > > Yesterday, and again today, I sent a 4-step instruction on how to make a > wall chart of my grandfather's ancestors. It's much more informative. I can > > readily see their relationship with my grandfather. It tells me that I have > > 1 dead end in the 3rd generation, none in the 4th and 5th, and 8 in the 6th, > > etc. > > Now I can decide which of these dead ends I should research first. > > The other benefit of the wall chart is that I can send a jpeg of it to my > cousins, or my nephew(who I'd like to get interested in continuing my > research), and he can immediately see the path forward. > > The wall chart is far superior. I suggest our readers should try both > methods, and decide which would be better for planning their own research. > I'm pretty sure this is what Pat McGrath wanted. > > Bruce Fosnocht > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Bryan via" <rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com> > To: "Pat McGrath" <patnbrian@charter.net>; <rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 4:39 PM > Subject: Re: [RMagic] HELP - need 'End of Line' report > > >> On 5/20/2016 14:55, Pat McGrath wrote: >>> I hate to be a further 'pain' since it was my question to begin with >>> ..... >>> BUT.... could someone who has made this work send out all the exact steps >>> >>> I >>> need to find out what individuals are still missing parents in my >>> grandfathers line (back 10 generations) ..... THANKS !!!!!! >>> >> >> 1. Right click any person in your database and select *QuickGroups* >> 2. Click *Manage Groups* at the left bottom of the QuickGroups screen >> (steps #1 and #2 are just a quick way to get into Groups) >> 3. Click *New *at the top left of the Named Groups screen. You will be >> in the mark/unmark dialog. The screen is called Select People. >> 4. Navigate to your grandfather. The easiest way is to type his name >> *Lastname, Firstname Middlename*. It really sort of sucks that it >> does no good to have started out with him highlighted before you get >> into the Select People dialog, but RM is not user very friendly >> about entering into the Select People screen. >> 5. *Mark group -> Ancestors of highlighted person* >> 6. Pick your generations of ancestors value, and keep the default of >> direct ancestors only. Click *Ok*. >> 7. *Unmark Group -> Clear data by data fields* (this is where the >> screen gets complicated) >> 8. *Select field -> Number of sets of parents -> not equal to -> 0*. >> The best way to get to the *Number of sets of parents* option is to >> type N and then scroll down to the correct option. Click *Ok*. You >> will get a message that says *Unmarked nnnnn people*, where nnnnn >> will probably be a pretty big number. It is unmarking everybody in >> your database who have parents, not just your ancestors who have >> parents. So it is unmarking a bunch of people who were already >> unmarked. That'a another confusing aspect of this part of the user >> interface, but it cannot be helped until and unless the >> RootsMagician decides to change it. I think the count should only >> show those people who were previously marked who became unmarked, >> but that's just me. >> 9. Click *Ok *again to terminate the People selection process. >> 10. Enter a name for the Group and click *Ok*. >> 11. Click *Close*. >> 12. Click *Ok *to exit QuickGroups. >> >> Here ends the creation of the group and the beginning of the creation of >> the report. The 12 steps above don't have to be run again unless you >> change the members of the group. The 4 steps below can then be run as >> many times as you wish against the group. >> >> 1. *Reports -> Lists -> Individual List -> Generate report*. This of >> course doesn't generate the report. Rather, it takes you to another >> screen with more options. >> 2. The *Selected People* radio button will already be highlighted. DO >> NOT CHANGE THIS. DO NOT CLICK NO PARENTS OR MULTIPLE PARENTS OR >> ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IN OTHER WORDS, DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WITH ANY >> OF THE RADIO BUTTONS. SOMETIMES THE HARDEST THING TO DO IS NOTHING >> 3. Where it says *People to include *and there is a large button (not a >> radio button) that says *Everyone*. Click on *Everyone *and a list >> of all your groups will appear in a drop down list. Click on the >> group you just created to select that group. >> 4. Click *Generate Report*. This time it really will generate the >> report. Print it or save it to a file or whatever you want to do >> with it. >> >> Jerry >> >> >> >> >> =================================== >> RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS >> WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: >> http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- -- *Jon P Czarowitz*, NHC, GF, GGF, IGC Hempel Genealogist since 1986 Cunningham Genealogist since 1987 Retired International Genealogist RootsMagic 7 http://www.rootsmagic.com