Hi everyone, A dear cousin sent me a gedcom from his RM3 program as an attachment. I have RM4 on my computer, but Win 7 will not let me open his file. When I tell it to open the file from a program installed on my computer, it shows a list of programs, but RM4 is not in the list! I tried importing the gedcom from RM4 but Win 7 refuses to show it to me. Can anyone coach me through this one? Oh, did I say I despise Win 7? Wish I had my XP back, that I understood. Frustrated in Wisconsin, Kathy

I'm not sure why you need an example, but the most recent occurrence of the problem was when I was entering data from "The American Genealogist" vol. 85, Jan 2011, entitled "A Fresh Look at the Parentage of 'Mayflower' Passenger Joan (Hurst) Tilley" by Eugene Cole Zubrinsky, FASG. There are several instances in this article where double dating is used for dates prior to 1583/4. One example is the baptism of Joan (Hurst) Tilley which occurred 13 Mar 1567/8. Another was the probate date of her grandfather John Marshe's will which was 15 Feb 1558/9. There is no go reason why we shouldn't be able to have these double dates recognized by RM. Jim Bullock -----Original Message----- From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Drew Smith Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 8:17 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Double Dating before 17th Century Jim, Can you provide an example of this? Drew Smith On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Jim Bullock <j.b.bullock@comcast.net> wrote: > This is an apparent flaw in RM. The scholarly journals certainly use double > dating before 1583/4.

When a date is unknown or possible of two years like 1850 or 1851, there is provision in the Help files explaining how to do between or bet or after, or before. That is what most of us have done over the years. Use F 1 or Help: Dates click on Double and scroll down the screen to see all the modifiers that you can use. Double dates in the software's mind is actually as was quoted. Software is logical and can not always do other than what is programmed. To me I would not ask to have it programmed for this as there is usually a reason for the two dates rather than the official one. Nettie's Genbits Annette DeCourcy Towler

Jim, Can you provide an example of this? Drew Smith On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Jim Bullock <j.b.bullock@comcast.net> wrote: > This is an apparent flaw in RM. The scholarly journals certainly use double > dating before 1583/4.

It was 1582 when Pope Gregory decreed the change in the calendar. Anything prior to that would not require double dating since there was no calendar change. On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Jim Bullock <j.b.bullock@comcast.net> wrote: > This is an apparent flaw in RM. The scholarly journals certainly use > double > dating before 1583/4. It would be desirable to have the ability to use > them > in our databases. > > Jim Bullock > Littleton, Colorado > > -----Original Message----- > From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Suzanne Brayer > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 6:08 PM > To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [RMagic] Double Dating before 17th Century > > <Snip> > > Double dates entered with years before 1583/4 are treated as unrecognized > dates, while double dates entered for 25 Mar to 31 Dec after 1583 are also > treated as unrecognized dates. > > <Snip> > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

How much earlier? It can't be earlier than 1583/4. Drew Smith On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Jim Bullock <j.b.bullock@comcast.net> wrote: > Is there a way to get RM to recognize double dates in the 17th and earlier > centuries?

This is an apparent flaw in RM. The scholarly journals certainly use double dating before 1583/4. It would be desirable to have the ability to use them in our databases. Jim Bullock Littleton, Colorado -----Original Message----- From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Suzanne Brayer Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 6:08 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Double Dating before 17th Century <Snip> Double dates entered with years before 1583/4 are treated as unrecognized dates, while double dates entered for 25 Mar to 31 Dec after 1583 are also treated as unrecognized dates. <Snip>

Is there a way to get RM to recognize double dates in the 17th and earlier centuries? Jim Bullock Littleton, Colorado

Here is the explanation from the help file. "The Gregorian calendar moved the start of the year to January 1. The Gregorian calendar wasn't adopted by the British empire (including its colonies, the US and Canada) until 1752 and other countries as later as 1923. In the intervening years, dates between Jan. 1 and Mar. 24 were written as 15 Feb 1675/6 to indicate the year was 1675 on the Julian (or Old Style) calendar, but was 1676 on the Gregorian (or New Style) calendar. RootsMagic displays the year with one digit after the / for most years, except it shows 2 digits for a decade, i.e. 1679/80, or 4 digits for a century, i.e. 1699/1700. Double dates entered with years before 1583/4 are treated as unrecognized dates, while double dates entered for 25 Mar to 31 Dec after 1583 are also treated as unrecognized dates." On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Drew Smith <drewsmithtpa@gmail.com> wrote: > How much earlier? It can't be earlier than 1583/4. > > Drew Smith > > On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Jim Bullock <j.b.bullock@comcast.net> > wrote: > > Is there a way to get RM to recognize double dates in the 17th and > earlier > > centuries? > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It reappeared in version 5 under File>database tools *Anne Kruszka Yesterday is history, tomorrow is mystery, today is a gift. [Eleanor Roosevelt]* http://geneanotes.blogspot.com http://tennlady-generational.blogspot.com/ On 6/30/2012 3:17 PM, L. L. Scott wrote: > I thought there used to be a way to pack the database. > I don't find it in RM4. Where did it go? > > -----Original Message----- > From: David > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 11:56 AM > To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: [RMagic] RM Database problem > > I have posted the following customer service report (no answer yet); but > wonder if anyone has run into this problem. If so, would you share your > "work-around" with me off-post. > > Thanks, > David in Mesa, Arizona > > "I have a number of persons, in a test database, that I want to delete. > i.e. a global delete option. > Each of these persons has a common thread . i.e. they have no first name > and they have no last name (both parts are "blank"). They only have a RM > person number. > > Is there a way that I can delete these "unknown" persons from my test > database? Legacy has a global "delete" option; but I cannot find a RM > program option that will allow me to globally delete unwanted persons > from my database." > > Any help or guidance will be greatly appreciated. > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I thought there used to be a way to pack the database. I don't find it in RM4. Where did it go? -----Original Message----- From: David Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 11:56 AM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [RMagic] RM Database problem I have posted the following customer service report (no answer yet); but wonder if anyone has run into this problem. If so, would you share your "work-around" with me off-post. Thanks, David in Mesa, Arizona "I have a number of persons, in a test database, that I want to delete. i.e. a global delete option. Each of these persons has a common thread . i.e. they have no first name and they have no last name (both parts are "blank"). They only have a RM person number. Is there a way that I can delete these "unknown" persons from my test database? Legacy has a global "delete" option; but I cannot find a RM program option that will allow me to globally delete unwanted persons from my database." Any help or guidance will be greatly appreciated. =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have posted the following customer service report (no answer yet); but wonder if anyone has run into this problem. If so, would you share your "work-around" with me off-post. Thanks, David in Mesa, Arizona "I have a number of persons, in a test database, that I want to delete. i.e. a global delete option. Each of these persons has a common thread . i.e. they have no first name and they have no last name (both parts are "blank"). They only have a RM person number. Is there a way that I can delete these "unknown" persons from my test database? Legacy has a global "delete" option; but I cannot find a RM program option that will allow me to globally delete unwanted persons from my database." Any help or guidance will be greatly appreciated.

When I did as I said I did, I ended up with only my paternal paternal line. 8th generation ggfather and ggmother Eller 7th generation ggfather and ggmother Eller 6th generation ggfather and ggmother Eller 5th generation ggfather and ggmother Eller 4th generation ggfather and ggmother Eller 3rd generation gfather and gmother Eller 2nd generation father and mother Eller 1st generation, myself Alfred Eller I never had a non-direct wife or sibling showing, just the relevant parents on the wall chart. The narrative descendant report does list my grandfather's other two marriages in his obituary. There name isn't listed as a spouse or with any family information, and my father is the only one of his children listed. Alfred ============= HF Prioleau wrote: > Alfred > > Thanks. I did not find your posting yesterday to RootsMagic Forum, but I did > see a previous posting of yours and used it as a guide to do the wall-chart > version described below. > > I used your suggestion below in my "workaround" described below. This worked > pretty well, but it took a long time to unlink all the non-direct wives, > siblings and children, and then to delete all the un-needed wordage in the > narrative format > > It would be nice to be able to produce a "Relationship Chart" type of chart, > and include pictures and some notes. I suspect this would be used quite a > lot. > > H. Frost Prioleau > Piedmont, CA > hfrost@prioleau.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alfred > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:51 PM > To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [RMagic] Wish List - "Relationship Chart" with Facts, Pictures > & Notes > > I just posted the opposite of this on the RootsMagic Forum yesterday. (I > think) > > Drag and drop your ancestors to a new, empty database. > Do a Descendant narrative of the ancestor in question from the new TEMP > database. > > Alfred > ============= > > HF Prioleau wrote: > >> Here is a candidate for the RM5 "Wish List": >> >> - A "Relationship Chart" type report which would include key facts, a >> picture and notes, or >> - A descendant narrative report which is limited to a direct line. >> >> I needed a report giving all the information I had about 8 generations >> in a direct line. >> >> I did a "workaround" by opening a new database with the desired >> descendant line, cutting all the links to the numerous non-direct-line >> persons, printing a descendant narrative report, and cleaning it up in >> Word >> >> Also, I used the wall-chart feature to do this. It had 3 facts and a >> picture, but it did not include notes. >> >> Is it possible to program this someday, or are there any other ways of >> doing this? >> >> H. Frost Prioleau >> Piedmont, CA >> hfrost@prioleau.com >> > >

Alfred Thanks. I did not find your posting yesterday to RootsMagic Forum, but I did see a previous posting of yours and used it as a guide to do the wall-chart version described below. I used your suggestion below in my "workaround" described below. This worked pretty well, but it took a long time to unlink all the non-direct wives, siblings and children, and then to delete all the un-needed wordage in the narrative format It would be nice to be able to produce a "Relationship Chart" type of chart, and include pictures and some notes. I suspect this would be used quite a lot. H. Frost Prioleau Piedmont, CA hfrost@prioleau.com -----Original Message----- From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alfred Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:51 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Wish List - "Relationship Chart" with Facts, Pictures & Notes I just posted the opposite of this on the RootsMagic Forum yesterday. (I think) Drag and drop your ancestors to a new, empty database. Do a Descendant narrative of the ancestor in question from the new TEMP database. Alfred ============= HF Prioleau wrote: > Here is a candidate for the RM5 "Wish List": > > - A "Relationship Chart" type report which would include key facts, a > picture and notes, or > - A descendant narrative report which is limited to a direct line. > > I needed a report giving all the information I had about 8 generations > in a direct line. > > I did a "workaround" by opening a new database with the desired > descendant line, cutting all the links to the numerous non-direct-line > persons, printing a descendant narrative report, and cleaning it up in > Word > > Also, I used the wall-chart feature to do this. It had 3 facts and a > picture, but it did not include notes. > > Is it possible to program this someday, or are there any other ways of > doing this? > > H. Frost Prioleau > Piedmont, CA > hfrost@prioleau.com > =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just posted the opposite of this on the RootsMagic Forum yesterday. (I think) Drag and drop your ancestors to a new, empty database. Do a Descendant narrative of the ancestor in question from the new TEMP database. Alfred ============= HF Prioleau wrote: > Here is a candidate for the RM5 "Wish List": > > - A "Relationship Chart" type report which would include key facts, a > picture and notes, or > - A descendant narrative report which is limited to a direct line. > > I needed a report giving all the information I had about 8 generations in a > direct line. > > I did a "workaround" by opening a new database with the desired descendant > line, cutting all the links to the numerous non-direct-line persons, > printing a descendant narrative report, and cleaning it up in Word > > Also, I used the wall-chart feature to do this. It had 3 facts and a > picture, but it did not include notes. > > Is it possible to program this someday, or are there any other ways of doing > this? > > H. Frost Prioleau > Piedmont, CA > hfrost@prioleau.com >

Here is a candidate for the RM5 "Wish List": - A "Relationship Chart" type report which would include key facts, a picture and notes, or - A descendant narrative report which is limited to a direct line. I needed a report giving all the information I had about 8 generations in a direct line. I did a "workaround" by opening a new database with the desired descendant line, cutting all the links to the numerous non-direct-line persons, printing a descendant narrative report, and cleaning it up in Word Also, I used the wall-chart feature to do this. It had 3 facts and a picture, but it did not include notes. Is it possible to program this someday, or are there any other ways of doing this? H. Frost Prioleau Piedmont, CA hfrost@prioleau.com

Are you trying to click on a database and have it open in the program? Since both RootsMagic 4 and 5 use the same extension for their data files, Windows does not know the difference, therefor you have to set the file association in Windows to the v\program version you want to use to open a RMGC file. The one you set will always be te one called when you double click on that kind of file until you change the association to the other one. In my opinion, double clicking on the file is no easier than opening the program first and opening a file from that program's file folder. (Especially when you have more than one program which use the same file name extensions for their data) Alfred ============ Jon Czarowitz wrote: > Thanks Alfred, but that was not the problem. I wanted to open from the > database. I have multiple databases and opening from the icon makes me go > thru a large selection to get the one I want. > It is fixed. A MS XP problem. Closed programs, rebooted and reinstalled RM > 5.0.3.1. This puts RM 5 as last version installed (again). > Jon > *** > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Alfred <adeller@santel.net> wrote: > > >> I am assuming you want the startup icon on your desktop. >> >> Find the program with Windows Explorer, it's probable location is >> C:\Program Files\RootsMagic 5\ RootsMagic.exe. >> Make the Explorer window small enough so that you can see part of your >> desktop as well. >> >> Right click on RootsMagic.exe and drag it to a spot on your desktop. >> Choose the option to create a shortcut here. >> >> The 4 and 5 icons are a bit different so you should be able to tell them >> apart, but you can rightclick on an icon and change it's name. >> >> Alfred >> ============ >> >> Jon Czarowitz wrote: >> >>> I have both RM 4 and RM 5 on my computer. I wanted to open a RM 5 MS >>> Windows XP will not show the icon for version 5, only 4. Even when I do a >>> search to pick the right one, it refuses to accept that 5 is there. >>> Has anyone else had this problem? >>> >>> >

Thanks Alfred, but that was not the problem. I wanted to open from the database. I have multiple databases and opening from the icon makes me go thru a large selection to get the one I want. It is fixed. A MS XP problem. Closed programs, rebooted and reinstalled RM 5.0.3.1. This puts RM 5 as last version installed (again). Jon *** On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Alfred <adeller@santel.net> wrote: > I am assuming you want the startup icon on your desktop. > > Find the program with Windows Explorer, it's probable location is > C:\Program Files\RootsMagic 5\ RootsMagic.exe. > Make the Explorer window small enough so that you can see part of your > desktop as well. > > Right click on RootsMagic.exe and drag it to a spot on your desktop. > Choose the option to create a shortcut here. > > The 4 and 5 icons are a bit different so you should be able to tell them > apart, but you can rightclick on an icon and change it's name. > > Alfred > ============ > > Jon Czarowitz wrote: > > I have both RM 4 and RM 5 on my computer. I wanted to open a RM 5 MS > > Windows XP will not show the icon for version 5, only 4. Even when I do a > > search to pick the right one, it refuses to accept that 5 is there. > > Has anyone else had this problem? > > > > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- -- Jon P Czarowitz, NHC, GF, GGF, IGC Hempel Genealogist since 1986 International Genealogist for http://www.clancunninghamintl.org RootsMagic 4 http://www.rootsmagic.com CUNNINGHAMS TOGETHER - CUNNINGHAMS WORLDWIDE!

I am assuming you want the startup icon on your desktop. Find the program with Windows Explorer, it's probable location is C:\Program Files\RootsMagic 5\ RootsMagic.exe. Make the Explorer window small enough so that you can see part of your desktop as well. Right click on RootsMagic.exe and drag it to a spot on your desktop. Choose the option to create a shortcut here. The 4 and 5 icons are a bit different so you should be able to tell them apart, but you can rightclick on an icon and change it's name. Alfred ============ Jon Czarowitz wrote: > I have both RM 4 and RM 5 on my computer. I wanted to open a RM 5 MS > Windows XP will not show the icon for version 5, only 4. Even when I do a > search to pick the right one, it refuses to accept that 5 is there. > Has anyone else had this problem? > >

I have both RM 4 and RM 5 on my computer. I wanted to open a RM 5 MS Windows XP will not show the icon for version 5, only 4. Even when I do a search to pick the right one, it refuses to accept that 5 is there. Has anyone else had this problem? -- -- Jon P Czarowitz, NHC, GF, GGF, IGC Hempel Genealogist since 1986 International Genealogist for http://www.clancunninghamintl.org RootsMagic 4 http://www.rootsmagic.com CUNNINGHAMS TOGETHER - CUNNINGHAMS WORLDWIDE!