On 7/3/2012 11:38 AM, Jim Bullock wrote: > So as students of history why do we use double dating at any time prior to > 1762? Don't we all know about those Jan-Mar dates. How about putting this double dating to rest. It has been going on long enough, or else you and Drew do your thing privately. Lloyd ____________________________________________________________ NetZero now offers 4G mobile broadband. Sign up now. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT1

Version 3.2.6 update is still available at http://rootsmagic.com/Updates/RootsMagic/ Your CD might have a valid product key that will work. If you previously registered RM3 and your email address with RootsMagic, they will have your key on file and can email it to you. I think it is different from your RM4 key. But I assume the only reason you are wanting to install RM3 is to be able to "restore" your cousin's backup to your drive so you can import his database into RM4. You could avoid the hassle of the keys and questionable installation on Win 7 by merely changing the backup filename's extension from ".rmb" (or whatever it was in RM3) to ".zip". I think Win 7 will then let you see into the file as a folder; select, copy and paste all the files into a temporary working folder; you may not need any other UnZip utility. That procedure will decompress the copies and extract them to individual files which RM4 File>Import can then see and work on. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Parkinson Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 10:22 AM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Help needed cannot open gedcom Obviously I downloaded the upgrade to RM3 way back as this disk has NOT been opened! Knowing that each release had its bugs in the beginning, am I better off just going to RM website to get that version if it is still there? And then there is the matter of my "secret code" which died with my old hard drive where would I find that, or will the Magician and his aides have that? LOL I think I still have the FO disk around too. I see the book for it on my shelf next to at least 2 coppies of the RM book. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Tom Holden Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 7:24 AM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Help needed cannot open gedcom Win 7 won't install Family Origins; RM3 is similar to FO but I forget if there is a problem installing it. If it can be installed, I don't foresee it messing with RM4 because their file systems are like chalk and cheese. Tom On 2012-07-03, at 12:41 AM, "Parkinson" <wraithp@charter.net> wrote: > Believe it or not, this old packrat has the RM3 disk and just found it > today, while looking for something else entirely. Can I install it on my > Win 7 computer without it messing with RM4? > > Thanks again! > Kathy =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim, I disagree, because as students of history we should recognize that any pre-1583 date in England would have January-March dates happening *after* April-December dates (at least as far back as 1155). It's a matter of understanding European history and the calendar. No clarification is needed. If you're still worried that your audience won't understand, put an explanation in a note field. Drew ---------------------------------------------- So as students of history why do we use double dating at any time prior to 1762? Don't we all know about those Jan-Mar dates. In England the 1583 date had no significance. They didn't recognize the Gregorian calendar until 1762. All Jan-Mar dates before then including those before 1583 should be subject to double dating. As I've mentioned previously, experts in the field do use double dating prior to 1583. Jim

Obviously I downloaded the upgrade to RM3 way back as this disk has NOT been opened! Knowing that each release had its bugs in the beginning, am I better off just going to RM website to get that version if it is still there? And then there is the matter of my "secret code" which died with my old hard drive where would I find that, or will the Magician and his aides have that? LOL I think I still have the FO disk around too. I see the book for it on my shelf next to at least 2 coppies of the RM book. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Tom Holden Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 7:24 AM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Help needed cannot open gedcom Win 7 won't install Family Origins; RM3 is similar to FO but I forget if there is a problem installing it. If it can be installed, I don't foresee it messing with RM4 because their file systems are like chalk and cheese. Tom On 2012-07-03, at 12:41 AM, "Parkinson" <wraithp@charter.net> wrote: > Believe it or not, this old packrat has the RM3 disk and just found it > today, while looking for something else entirely. Can I install it on my > Win 7 computer without it messing with RM4? > > Thanks again! > Kathy

Win 7 won't install Family Origins; RM3 is similar to FO but I forget if there is a problem installing it. If it can be installed, I don't foresee it messing with RM4 because their file systems are like chalk and cheese. Tom On 2012-07-03, at 12:41 AM, "Parkinson" <wraithp@charter.net> wrote: > Believe it or not, this old packrat has the RM3 disk and just found it > today, while looking for something else entirely. Can I install it on my > Win 7 computer without it messing with RM4? > > Thanks again! > Kathy > >

On 03/07/12 00:35, Parkinson wrote: > Whew, got it. I opened RM4 and selected import gedcom (other sources) and > it pulled in the file! Strange that it would not recognize a previous > version of RM, but at least I got it! > You're confusing two things here: 1) Opening a file within an application, 2) Clicking on a file to start its associated application, with that file opened. Files do not have any association with a program, until you tell Windows that such an association exists. A GEDCOM file does not have any information in it that says 'I am a file that must be opened by RM4', unless you tell Windows that every file with the suffix 'GED' should be opened with RM4. GEDCOM files can, after all, also be opened by text editors, and by rivals to RM. I hate W7 too. It dumbs down the user experience so much that it makes life more difficult, not less. -- Regards Dave

It would be easiest for him to make a backup using RM3 and send you that file (it is actually a compressed ZIP file containing many files which make up the RM3 database). However, you will need to unzip it so that RM4 can see all the decompressed files. RM3's Restore function does that job but since you don't have it, you will need to use a ZIP utility such as WinZIP or 7-ZIP (free) to extract the files. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Parkinson Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 11:46 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Help needed cannot open gedcom Thanks Tom, Would this be a backup of his RM 3 files? We were not sure which would work, but certainly his db would be better than a gedcom as we wouldn’t lose as much. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Tom Holden Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 10:04 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Help needed cannot open gedcom When you select RM1-3 to import, it expects to import directly from the RM1-3 database files, not the GEDCOM exported by RM1-3. If you still have the RM3 database files, you might actually get better results by importing them directly rather than the GEDCOM. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Parkinson Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 7:35 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Help needed cannot open gedcom Whew, got it. I opened RM4 and selected import gedcom (other sources) and it pulled in the file! Strange that it would not recognize a previous version of RM, but at least I got it! Nothing like making the old brain work harder! Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Parkinson Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 4:20 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [RMagic] Help needed cannot open gedcom Hi everyone, A dear cousin sent me a gedcom from his RM3 program as an attachment. I have RM4 on my computer, but Win 7 will not let me open his file. When I tell it to open the file from a program installed on my computer, it shows a list of programs, but RM4 is not in the list! I tried importing the gedcom from RM4 but Win 7 refuses to show it to me. Can anyone coach me through this one? Oh, did I say I despise Win 7? Wish I had my XP back, that I understood. Frustrated in Wisconsin, Kathy =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Believe it or not, this old packrat has the RM3 disk and just found it today, while looking for something else entirely. Can I install it on my Win 7 computer without it messing with RM4? Thanks again! Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Tom Holden Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 11:01 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Help needed cannot open gedcom It would be easiest for him to make a backup using RM3 and send you that file (it is actually a compressed ZIP file containing many files which make up the RM3 database). However, you will need to unzip it so that RM4 can see all the decompressed files. RM3's Restore function does that job but since you don't have it, you will need to use a ZIP utility such as WinZIP or 7-ZIP (free) to extract the files. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Parkinson Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 11:46 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Help needed cannot open gedcom Thanks Tom, Would this be a backup of his RM 3 files? We were not sure which would work, but certainly his db would be better than a gedcom as we wouldn’t lose as much. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Tom Holden Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 10:04 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Help needed cannot open gedcom When you select RM1-3 to import, it expects to import directly from the RM1-3 database files, not the GEDCOM exported by RM1-3. If you still have the RM3 database files, you might actually get better results by importing them directly rather than the GEDCOM. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Parkinson Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 7:35 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Help needed cannot open gedcom Whew, got it. I opened RM4 and selected import gedcom (other sources) and it pulled in the file! Strange that it would not recognize a previous version of RM, but at least I got it! Nothing like making the old brain work harder! Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Parkinson Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 4:20 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [RMagic] Help needed cannot open gedcom Hi everyone, A dear cousin sent me a gedcom from his RM3 program as an attachment. I have RM4 on my computer, but Win 7 will not let me open his file. When I tell it to open the file from a program installed on my computer, it shows a list of programs, but RM4 is not in the list! I tried importing the gedcom from RM4 but Win 7 refuses to show it to me. Can anyone coach me through this one? Oh, did I say I despise Win 7? Wish I had my XP back, that I understood. Frustrated in Wisconsin, Kathy =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Isn't the problem that RootsMagic does not treat January-March dates before 1583 as being later than the April-Dec dates of the same calendar year nor does it recognise dates in the 1451/2 format? That is, the only way to enter a January-March date from the Julian calendar before 1583 and have it sort after the April-Dec dates of the same year is to enter it with the year value of +1, i.e., enter it using the Gregorian calendar, even though that calendar did not exist at the time. In effect, one must enter all dates using the Gregorian calendar in order for them to sort correctly. Thus pre-1583 dates must be converted from Julian to Gregorian at time of entry. I'm not a calendar nor genealogical reporting expert and fortunately do not have any ancestry having such early dates but I empathize with Jim that there is a logical inconsistency: If I can enter Feb 2011/2 and RM assigns a sort date of Feb 2012, why can't I enter Feb 1451/2 and have it equally recognised as a valid date format and assign the sort date of Feb 1452. That 2011/2 date is long removed from the advent of the Gregorian calendar and its overlap with the Julian so why should it be valid and the pre-Gregorian not? Tom -----Original Message----- From: Drew Smith Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 10:57 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Double Dating before 17th Century On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Jim Bullock <j.b.bullock@comcast.net> wrote: > Following December 1450 (as an example), dates in the following months up > to > March 25 would have originally been written with the year shown as 1450. > Today we show that as 1450/1 to clarify that those January-March dates > were > after December 1450, not before. Otherwise a date such as 4 Feb 1450 > would > be mistaken as having occurred before Dec 1450. Jim, I disagree, because as students of history we should recognize that any pre-1583 date in England would have January-March dates happening *after* April-December dates (at least as far back as 1155). It's a matter of understanding European history and the calendar. No clarification is needed. If you're still worried that your audience won't understand, put an explanation in a note field. Drew =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When you select RM1-3 to import, it expects to import directly from the RM1-3 database files, not the GEDCOM exported by RM1-3. If you still have the RM3 database files, you might actually get better results by importing them directly rather than the GEDCOM. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Parkinson Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 7:35 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Help needed cannot open gedcom Whew, got it. I opened RM4 and selected import gedcom (other sources) and it pulled in the file! Strange that it would not recognize a previous version of RM, but at least I got it! Nothing like making the old brain work harder! Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Parkinson Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 4:20 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [RMagic] Help needed cannot open gedcom Hi everyone, A dear cousin sent me a gedcom from his RM3 program as an attachment. I have RM4 on my computer, but Win 7 will not let me open his file. When I tell it to open the file from a program installed on my computer, it shows a list of programs, but RM4 is not in the list! I tried importing the gedcom from RM4 but Win 7 refuses to show it to me. Can anyone coach me through this one? Oh, did I say I despise Win 7? Wish I had my XP back, that I understood. Frustrated in Wisconsin, Kathy =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Jim Bullock <j.b.bullock@comcast.net> wrote: > Following December 1450 (as an example), dates in the following months up to > March 25 would have originally been written with the year shown as 1450. > Today we show that as 1450/1 to clarify that those January-March dates were > after December 1450, not before. Otherwise a date such as 4 Feb 1450 would > be mistaken as having occurred before Dec 1450. Jim, I disagree, because as students of history we should recognize that any pre-1583 date in England would have January-March dates happening *after* April-December dates (at least as far back as 1155). It's a matter of understanding European history and the calendar. No clarification is needed. If you're still worried that your audience won't understand, put an explanation in a note field. Drew

Thanks Tom, Would this be a backup of his RM 3 files? We were not sure which would work, but certainly his db would be better than a gedcom as we wouldn’t lose as much. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Tom Holden Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 10:04 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Help needed cannot open gedcom When you select RM1-3 to import, it expects to import directly from the RM1-3 database files, not the GEDCOM exported by RM1-3. If you still have the RM3 database files, you might actually get better results by importing them directly rather than the GEDCOM. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Parkinson Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 7:35 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Help needed cannot open gedcom Whew, got it. I opened RM4 and selected import gedcom (other sources) and it pulled in the file! Strange that it would not recognize a previous version of RM, but at least I got it! Nothing like making the old brain work harder! Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Parkinson Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 4:20 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [RMagic] Help needed cannot open gedcom Hi everyone, A dear cousin sent me a gedcom from his RM3 program as an attachment. I have RM4 on my computer, but Win 7 will not let me open his file. When I tell it to open the file from a program installed on my computer, it shows a list of programs, but RM4 is not in the list! I tried importing the gedcom from RM4 but Win 7 refuses to show it to me. Can anyone coach me through this one? Oh, did I say I despise Win 7? Wish I had my XP back, that I understood. Frustrated in Wisconsin, Kathy =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim, Yes, England was using *only* the Julian Calendar in both 1450 and 1750. The purpose of doubledating is to show what a date would look like in both calendars, but only during a year in which both calendars were in use in different places in the world. But no country was using the Gregorian Calendar in the dates you were citing (before 1582), and therefore, double dating for such dates would be nonsensical. This isn't just "mailing list opinions". These are statements of fact. And even "better informed genealogists" would agree. Drew Smith On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Jim Bullock <j.b.bullock@comcast.net> wrote: > No, the point is that countries like England were using the same calendar > in, say, 1450 as they were in 1750 and double dating should be used for both > centuries. At any rate, I'll stick with what the professionals are doing in > the scholarly journals rather than go by mailing list opinions. I cited > only one article from one journal but there are many more as the better > informed genealogists are aware.

Following December 1450 (as an example), dates in the following months up to March 25 would have originally been written with the year shown as 1450. Today we show that as 1450/1 to clarify that those January-March dates were after December 1450, not before. Otherwise a date such as 4 Feb 1450 would be mistaken as having occurred before Dec 1450. Jim Bullock

There was no Gregorian calendar before Pope Gregory XIII initiated it in 1582. Before that there was only the Julian calendar so there would be no need for double dating. There would be no need for double dating if everyone had jumped to the Gregorian calendar at the same time. But many of the protestant and distant countries used the old Julian calendar for centuries. There are some countries which don't use either one yet. Alfred ====== Jim Bullock wrote: > It's irrelevant that the Pope adopted the Gregorian calendar when he did > because the Protestant countries like England did not. They were still > using the same calendar in 1750 that they did in 1550 or 1450, so double > dating should be used in those earlier centuries for English ancestors. It > would depend on the country that would determine which calendar was in use. > (Some still use the Julian calendar.) > > Jim >

No, the point is that countries like England were using the same calendar in, say, 1450 as they were in 1750 and double dating should be used for both centuries. At any rate, I'll stick with what the professionals are doing in the scholarly journals rather than go by mailing list opinions. I cited only one article from one journal but there are many more as the better informed genealogists are aware. Jim Bullock Littleton, Colorado -----Original Message----- From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Drew Smith Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 4:43 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Double Dating before 17th Century Jim, The point is, *no* country (neither Catholic nor Protestant) was using the Gregorian Calendar prior to 1582, so no event that transpired prior to that date would have been written under double dating. It would have had only one possible, unambiguous date. Drew Smith the message

Jim, The point is, *no* country (neither Catholic nor Protestant) was using the Gregorian Calendar prior to 1582, so no event that transpired prior to that date would have been written under double dating. It would have had only one possible, unambiguous date. Drew Smith On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Jim Bullock <j.b.bullock@comcast.net> wrote: > It's irrelevant that the Pope adopted the Gregorian calendar when he did > because the Protestant countries like England did not. They were still > using the same calendar in 1750 that they did in 1550 or 1450, so double > dating should be used in those earlier centuries for English ancestors. It > would depend on the country that would determine which calendar was in use. > (Some still use the Julian calendar.) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Drew Smith > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 2:34 PM > To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [RMagic] Double Dating before 17th Century > > Jim, > > I wanted to see how the scholarly journal was handling it. The double > dating in that example prior to 1583 doesn't really make sense. The > Gregorian Calendar was not in use prior to 1583, so the 1567/1568 date > would need to be listed correctly as 1567 (1568 didn't begin until 25 > March), and the other date would have been 1558 (for the same reason). > > So the reason that RM wouldn't have those double dates recognized is > that they would be incorrect. > > I would put in the correct dates (the earlier years) and then you > could explain in a note that they were listed as "double dates" in the > article. > > Drew Smith

Whew, got it. I opened RM4 and selected import gedcom (other sources) and it pulled in the file! Strange that it would not recognize a previous version of RM, but at least I got it! Nothing like making the old brain work harder! Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Parkinson Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 4:20 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [RMagic] Help needed cannot open gedcom Hi everyone, A dear cousin sent me a gedcom from his RM3 program as an attachment. I have RM4 on my computer, but Win 7 will not let me open his file. When I tell it to open the file from a program installed on my computer, it shows a list of programs, but RM4 is not in the list! I tried importing the gedcom from RM4 but Win 7 refuses to show it to me. Can anyone coach me through this one? Oh, did I say I despise Win 7? Wish I had my XP back, that I understood. Frustrated in Wisconsin, Kathy =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It's irrelevant that the Pope adopted the Gregorian calendar when he did because the Protestant countries like England did not. They were still using the same calendar in 1750 that they did in 1550 or 1450, so double dating should be used in those earlier centuries for English ancestors. It would depend on the country that would determine which calendar was in use. (Some still use the Julian calendar.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Drew Smith Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 2:34 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Double Dating before 17th Century Jim, I wanted to see how the scholarly journal was handling it. The double dating in that example prior to 1583 doesn't really make sense. The Gregorian Calendar was not in use prior to 1583, so the 1567/1568 date would need to be listed correctly as 1567 (1568 didn't begin until 25 March), and the other date would have been 1558 (for the same reason). So the reason that RM wouldn't have those double dates recognized is that they would be incorrect. I would put in the correct dates (the earlier years) and then you could explain in a note that they were listed as "double dates" in the article. Drew Smith

Jim, I wanted to see how the scholarly journal was handling it. The double dating in that example prior to 1583 doesn't really make sense. The Gregorian Calendar was not in use prior to 1583, so the 1567/1568 date would need to be listed correctly as 1567 (1568 didn't begin until 25 March), and the other date would have been 1558 (for the same reason). So the reason that RM wouldn't have those double dates recognized is that they would be incorrect. I would put in the correct dates (the earlier years) and then you could explain in a note that they were listed as "double dates" in the article. Drew Smith On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Jim Bullock <j.b.bullock@comcast.net> wrote: > I'm not sure why you need an example, but the most recent occurrence of the > problem was when I was entering data from "The American Genealogist" vol. > 85, Jan 2011, entitled "A Fresh Look at the Parentage of 'Mayflower' > Passenger Joan (Hurst) Tilley" by Eugene Cole Zubrinsky, FASG. There are > several instances in this article where double dating is used for dates > prior to 1583/4. One example is the baptism of Joan (Hurst) Tilley which > occurred 13 Mar 1567/8. Another was the probate date of her grandfather > John Marshe's will which was 15 Feb 1558/9. There is no go reason why we > shouldn't be able to have these double dates recognized by RM. > > Jim Bullock > > -----Original Message----- > From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Drew Smith > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 8:17 PM > To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [RMagic] Double Dating before 17th Century > > Jim, > > Can you provide an example of this? > > Drew Smith > > On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Jim Bullock <j.b.bullock@comcast.net> wrote: >> This is an apparent flaw in RM. The scholarly journals certainly use > double >> dating before 1583/4.