It is working. Several affected by storms so quiet. Jon *** On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 1:09 PM, David E. Cann <decann@infionline.net>wrote: > The is not working at all, and you did not get this. This is a recording. > . > . . :-( > > > David E. Cann > decann@infionline.net > or "david.e.cann" on Skype > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of LB > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 1:58 PM > To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: [RMagic] Is the list down? > > I haven't heard from the RootsMagic list since the 9th. This is highly > unusual for this group. Actually, I'm gettingvery to no mail from any of > RootsWeb Mail Lists for several days. > > I'm wondering if my one of AV's is rejecting. I checked their lists and > nothing there. > > Lynn B. > > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- -- Jon P Czarowitz, NHC, GF, GGF, IGC Hempel Genealogist since 1986 International Genealogist for http://www.clancunninghamintl.org RootsMagic 5 http://www.rootsmagic.com CUNNINGHAMS TOGETHER - CUNNINGHAMS WORLDWIDE!

I just checked the archives and there are no messages there since Nov 7, except for these two. Joy Gulden On 11/16/2012 11:09 AM, David E. Cann wrote: > The is not working at all, and you did not get this. This is a recording. . > . . :-( > > > David E. Cann > decann@infionline.net > or "david.e.cann" on Skype > > -----Original Message----- > > I haven't heard from the RootsMagic list since the 9th. This is highly > unusual for this group. Actually, I'm gettingvery to no mail from any of > RootsWeb Mail Lists for several days. > > I'm wondering if my one of AV's is rejecting. I checked their lists and > nothing there. > > Lynn B. > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-

I haven't heard from the RootsMagic list since the 9th. This is highly unusual for this group. Actually, I'm gettingvery to no mail from any of RootsWeb Mail Lists for several days. I'm wondering if my one of AV's is rejecting. I checked their lists and nothing there. Lynn B.

I have used Clipomatic http://www.mlin.net/Clipomatic.shtml and the text replacement program ShortKeys http://www.shortkeys.com/lite.htm for about ten years now. Both are huge time savers. When I started with ShortKeys, the free version allowed 30 key/text sets but that has since been reduced, I think 15. I cannot imagine computing without it and have purchased the full version. Jackie On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Laurie Nelson <lane-nelson@q.com> wrote: > This isn't going to solve the problems with not being able to copy facts to > use as shared facts, but I've been using a program called ClipCache Pro for > several years that might help some of you. It has saved me a LOT of time > entering data in RM. Although I use it for other things, I use it mostly > for > RM. > > Disclaimer: I have no interest whatsoever in this program. But I did spend > a > lot of time trying out other programs before I purchased it. > > Not only does ClipCache Pro copy text, including URLs, but it also copies > graphics. I've even used it to copy my conversations with tech support for > programs I was having trouble with. > > Here are the features listed on their website: > http://www.xrayz.co.uk/ > > * Easy to use and powerful clipboard extender and a whole lot more > * One of the only clipboard extenders that offer these three essentials: > a tree outline view, global search and the ability to record the source of > your clips, making it ideal for researchers of all kinds > * Support for Unicode international text > * Massively customisable > * Clean text clips in many useful ways, for example removing the > annoying > ">>>>" marks from email text > * Create your own custom text-cleaners > * Convert the clipboard to pure text > * Take your clips with you on a portable flash drive > * One license allows use of both the portable and the installer version > > I also like their LinkStash program for saving URLs, with notes; again I've > been using it for at least a couple of years. I have a separate database > for > my genealogy URLs. I love the fact that it checks for dead links, since > some > of my URLs are old and have changed or don't work anymore. I don't have to > DIY. > > Another useful program for RM entry, email, etc., is Smart Type Assistant > (STA). I paid for it several years ago; it's now free. > http://www.blazingtools.com/ > > At the time it was the best tool I could find for my needs, but there are > others out now that you might find as useful--but not cheap. > > I use STA to enter text into RM. For example, instead of typing Tennessee, > I > type "tn." When I guess at a date and place for an event, I type "dpm" and > STA enters "Date and place my guess." [I know; you might not want to guess > at such things but I do, and I'm usually very close when I find out the > actual date and place of marriage or whatever.] I have lots of shortcuts, > such as "cem" for Cemetery, "dc" for Death Certificate, "tdc" for Texas > Death Certificate, etc. It also corrects typos for me, since I often > transpose characters. And I use it to automatically type my email address, > since I have 4 different ones I use (one just for genealogy emails), and to > type my address and other information into forms because I don't like to > keep that stuff in my browser. > > Hope this helps. Data entry into a genealogy program can be really > time-consuming. These and similar programs can cut that time, so you have > more time for research <g>. > > Laurie Nelson > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I like your work-around. I do something similar. 1. First, I do a "shared fact" and add the people sharing the fact. 2. Then go to each shared person and create the fact again. 3. I "copy & paste" each entry of the "shared fact" into the fact I created in step 2. 4. I memorized the source & citation from the shared fact & paste (CTRL-m or paste) into the created fact in step 2, source section. 4. You can then remove the shared fact from the shared person or leave it there for future RM transfers. Since I usually share my data mostly in other applications, I rarely retain "shared facts" in my database. Using C&P of a shared fact into its own fact does save me from 1) typos, 2) can change note or sentence structures per person, and 3) it saves time. Lynn B On 11/7/2012 12:53 PM, Genbits@charter.net wrote: > The memorizing the source to place it in another person's file is the only > way in RM, I do remember we had the whole fact memorized in FO before the > re wording of the basic programming was changed in RM4 and 5. I found by > trial and error,that if I memorized the [alt+m] the source and then also > copied to the clipboard the information that I was putting in the note > section, they are two different functions. So adding a new person to the > census record or... in the source citation screen, doing an alt + p [paste] > will work for the source. When entering information in the same person's > notes and using control + v for pasting the copied work from the clipboard. > I timed myself a while back for census record of a family of 12 and had it > done with 5 minutes or less. I am a big user of keyboard shortcuts and > this makes it go very quickly. > > Yes the instructions Cheri gave was well written and thanks for doing it. > But when I went to do somethings in 'Legacy' I found it was harder to work > with. It is what you get used to doing and pretty soon it gets easier. > Just my take on this issue. > > Annette DeCourcy Towler > Researching my family history... > > -----Original Message----- > From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Connie Sheets > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 6:05 PM > To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [RMagic] Shared Facts vs Shortcuts for Individual entries > > Cheri, > > You've given great instructions for minimizing the amount of work one has to > do to avoid the issues caused by shared facts. For those of us used to > Legacy, however, where there is not just the equivalent of a Source Memorize > button but a Fact Memorize button (copies an entire fact/event with its > notes and its sources to the clipboard with one click), it seems like too > many steps. > > I'm not complaining about RM, just hoping for the enhancement. On the Legacy > list, they've been known to ask for a Shared Fact/Event, so I guess nobody > can have it all;-) > > Connie > > > > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The memorizing the source to place it in another person's file is the only way in RM, I do remember we had the whole fact memorized in FO before the re wording of the basic programming was changed in RM4 and 5. I found by trial and error,that if I memorized the [alt+m] the source and then also copied to the clipboard the information that I was putting in the note section, they are two different functions. So adding a new person to the census record or... in the source citation screen, doing an alt + p [paste] will work for the source. When entering information in the same person's notes and using control + v for pasting the copied work from the clipboard. I timed myself a while back for census record of a family of 12 and had it done with 5 minutes or less. I am a big user of keyboard shortcuts and this makes it go very quickly. Yes the instructions Cheri gave was well written and thanks for doing it. But when I went to do somethings in 'Legacy' I found it was harder to work with. It is what you get used to doing and pretty soon it gets easier. Just my take on this issue. Annette DeCourcy Towler Researching my family history... -----Original Message----- From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Connie Sheets Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 6:05 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Shared Facts vs Shortcuts for Individual entries Cheri, You've given great instructions for minimizing the amount of work one has to do to avoid the issues caused by shared facts.  For those of us used to Legacy, however, where there is not just the equivalent of a Source Memorize button but a Fact Memorize button (copies an entire fact/event with its notes and its sources to the clipboard with one click), it seems like too many steps. I'm not complaining about RM, just hoping for the enhancement. On the Legacy list, they've been known to ask for a Shared Fact/Event, so I guess nobody can have it all;-) Connie  =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The developer of GedView (I have GedView on my iPad and iPhone) did come up with a solution to "convert" a RootsMagic shared fact to individual facts when importing a GEDCOM. This being the case, it would seem that RootsMagic is exporting the shared fact correctly, thus the receiving program/developer needs to be able to convert the shared fact to an individual fact. David Knight (the developer of GedView) developed a solution so other developers should also be able to come up with the solution. Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI -----Original Message----- From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Massie Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 7:51 AM Cc: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Shared Facts vs. Shortcuts for Individual entries On 06/11/12 19:41, Kate Redford wrote: > It is my understanding that the problems with GedCom files are the > GedCom capabilities with exporting files to them. Until that "old, > old" program is upgraded and rewritten, RM5 or any third part program > cannot make changes and avoid the way GedCom files are handled when they are imported. > Indeed, but RM could get round that, by creating an ordinary fact on a GEDCOM file, when it sees a shared fact on its database. The receiving program would then see a standard GEDCOM, and process it OK. -- Regards Dave =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 06/11/12 19:41, Kate Redford wrote: > It is my understanding that the problems with GedCom files are the GedCom > capabilities with exporting files to them. Until that "old, old" program > is upgraded and rewritten, RM5 or any third part program cannot make > changes and avoid the way GedCom files are handled when they are imported. > Indeed, but RM could get round that, by creating an ordinary fact on a GEDCOM file, when it sees a shared fact on its database. The receiving program would then see a standard GEDCOM, and process it OK. -- Regards Dave

It's probably more accurate to say that RM exports its shared events in a proprietary custom GEDCOM format that GEDview has been programmed to recognize and convert to standard GEDCOM, i.e., individual events. Tom On 2012-11-07, at 8:22 AM, Ronald Bernier <ronaldbernier@bernfrin.org> wrote: > The developer of GedView (I have GedView on my iPad and iPhone) did come up with a solution to "convert" a RootsMagic shared fact to individual facts when importing a GEDCOM. This being the case, it would seem that RootsMagic is exporting the shared fact correctly, thus the receiving program/developer needs to be able to convert the shared fact to an individual fact. David Knight (the developer of GedView) developed a solution so other developers should also be able to come up with the solution.

Thanks Tom. I am glad you posted a clear and more complete explanation. I have used FTM, Legacy, PAF, TMG, and RM 4-5. I would not go back to the old ways of the other programs. Bruce does such an outstanding software that I can't always wrap my brain around it. He certainly understand what we want and how to make it happen. Thanks again. Kate Redford Salem, Oregon, USA -----Original Message----- From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tom Holden Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:41 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Shared Facts vs. Shortcuts for Individual entries Kate, your understanding may not be technically accurate but the result is much the same. GEDCOM is a standard defining a protocol for interchange of genealogical data among disparate software applications. The last official one was 5.5 and there was a draft 5.5.1. Like most standards, there can be ambiguity and various interpretations among different software developers resulting in loss or corruption of data even for 'standard' GEDCOM, even if both applications purportedly support the same standard. What's worse is that the standard allows for some degree of customisation that is ideally transported between different applications but may not. And then there are proprietary extensions which only one program develops and others simply ignore. Such is the case with RM's Shared Facts, Source Templates, DNA and maybe some other things I forget. There have been and there are ongoing efforts to develop an industry-wide successor to the GEDCOM standard to address its many deficiencies. When and if it is approved by key developers, we should see many of these interchange problems resolved. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Kate Redford Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 2:41 PM To: davemassie@btinternet.com ; rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Shared Facts vs. Shortcuts for Individual entries It is my understanding that the problems with GedCom files are the GedCom capabilities with exporting files to them. Until that "old, old" program is upgraded and rewritten, RM5 or any third part program cannot make changes and avoid the way GedCom files are handled when they are imported. If that is not correct, someone please let me know. =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kate, your understanding may not be technically accurate but the result is much the same. GEDCOM is a standard defining a protocol for interchange of genealogical data among disparate software applications. The last official one was 5.5 and there was a draft 5.5.1. Like most standards, there can be ambiguity and various interpretations among different software developers resulting in loss or corruption of data even for 'standard' GEDCOM, even if both applications purportedly support the same standard. What's worse is that the standard allows for some degree of customisation that is ideally transported between different applications but may not. And then there are proprietary extensions which only one program develops and others simply ignore. Such is the case with RM's Shared Facts, Source Templates, DNA and maybe some other things I forget. There have been and there are ongoing efforts to develop an industry-wide successor to the GEDCOM standard to address its many deficiencies. When and if it is approved by key developers, we should see many of these interchange problems resolved. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Kate Redford Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 2:41 PM To: davemassie@btinternet.com ; rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Shared Facts vs. Shortcuts for Individual entries It is my understanding that the problems with GedCom files are the GedCom capabilities with exporting files to them. Until that "old, old" program is upgraded and rewritten, RM5 or any third part program cannot make changes and avoid the way GedCom files are handled when they are imported. If that is not correct, someone please let me know.

It is my understanding that the problems with GedCom files are the GedCom capabilities with exporting files to them. Until that "old, old" program is upgraded and rewritten, RM5 or any third part program cannot make changes and avoid the way GedCom files are handled when they are imported. If that is not correct, someone please let me know. Kate Redford Salem, Oregon, USA -----Original Message----- From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Massie Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [RMagic] Shared Facts vs Shortcuts for Individual entries On 05/11/12 23:12, genealzube wrote: > I don't use shared facts for many of the same reasons others stated. > I tried it when it first came out, but saw the problems with some > reports and accidentally deleted an entire shared fact twice because I > was trying to remove it from one of the shared people. > > But entering items separately for each person really isn't THAT > difficult using buttons and shortcut keys rather than re-typing the notes or sources. > But shared facts have advantages over individual facts - they're shared. That's important - you can instantly see that a fact refers to someone else; that it links people together. If, several years later, you come across your census fact, a shared fact shouts that someone else was also there. An individual fact says nothing. Also, to take an example, I have a role of 'informant' on the death fact. With that, I don't need to create a new fact 'informant' on the informant's record, which is also incompatible with other GEDCOMs. (I had previously done just that). I would like a couple of upgrades to RM: Optionally output GEDCOMs with shared facts converted to individual facts, and to allow you to transfer immediately to the person sharing any fact. That should overcome all objections to using shared facts. The legacy idea of copying entire facts seems a good idea to me, too. Get on with it Bruce! :0) -- Regards Dave ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 05/11/12 23:12, genealzube wrote: > I don't use shared facts for many of the same reasons others stated. I > tried it when it first came out, but saw the problems with some reports and > accidentally deleted an entire shared fact twice because I was trying to > remove it from one of the shared people. > > But entering items separately for each person really isn't THAT difficult > using buttons and shortcut keys rather than re-typing the notes or sources. > But shared facts have advantages over individual facts - they're shared. That's important - you can instantly see that a fact refers to someone else; that it links people together. If, several years later, you come across your census fact, a shared fact shouts that someone else was also there. An individual fact says nothing. Also, to take an example, I have a role of 'informant' on the death fact. With that, I don't need to create a new fact 'informant' on the informant's record, which is also incompatible with other GEDCOMs. (I had previously done just that). I would like a couple of upgrades to RM: Optionally output GEDCOMs with shared facts converted to individual facts, and to allow you to transfer immediately to the person sharing any fact. That should overcome all objections to using shared facts. The legacy idea of copying entire facts seems a good idea to me, too. Get on with it Bruce! :0) -- Regards Dave

Thanks Alfred. Using the blank database combined with Clipboards 2.01 would solve my having so many text files. I had copied to a text file and then pasted to RM in needed locations. i'm not sure about using the new db for multiple pasting however. Jon *** On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Alfred <adeller@santel.net> wrote: > For copying a fact with or without a source to several people! > I have mentioned this before, but I don't remember where, probably on > the forum somewhere, so here it is again. > > To copy a fact, with or without a source to several people: > Create a new, empty database, > In this new database create a person, just a simple given name, I used > the letter A, don't need a surname or sex. > Add the fact and source to A > Drag and drop A onto each of the people who you want to have this fact, > be sure to check the box that this is the same person. > Go to each of the people upon whom you dropped A and delete the Alt name > fact for A > > You are done with the temporary database so go to it and delete it, Be > careful to check the name to be sure which database you are deleting. > > Alfred > =============== > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- -- Jon P Czarowitz, NHC, GF, GGF, IGC Hempel Genealogist since 1986 International Genealogist for http://www.clancunninghamintl.org RootsMagic 5 http://www.rootsmagic.com CUNNINGHAMS TOGETHER - CUNNINGHAMS WORLDWIDE!

Another clipboards program is Clipboards 2.01 by Splinterware. It is a free program and has 9 clipboards to work with. You can copy to any of them and paste most anywhere. *www.splinterware.com* It has its limitations, but then it is a free program. Jon Czarowitz *** On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Laurie Nelson <lane-nelson@q.com> wrote: > This isn't going to solve the problems with not being able to copy facts to > use as shared facts, but I've been using a program called ClipCache Pro for > several years that might help some of you. It has saved me a LOT of time > entering data in RM. Although I use it for other things, I use it mostly > for > RM. > > Disclaimer: I have no interest whatsoever in this program. But I did spend > a > lot of time trying out other programs before I purchased it. > > Not only does ClipCache Pro copy text, including URLs, but it also copies > graphics. I've even used it to copy my conversations with tech support for > programs I was having trouble with. > > Here are the features listed on their website: > http://www.xrayz.co.uk/ > > * Easy to use and powerful clipboard extender and a whole lot more > * One of the only clipboard extenders that offer these three essentials: > a tree outline view, global search and the ability to record the source of > your clips, making it ideal for researchers of all kinds > * Support for Unicode international text > * Massively customisable > * Clean text clips in many useful ways, for example removing the > annoying > ">>>>" marks from email text > * Create your own custom text-cleaners > * Convert the clipboard to pure text > * Take your clips with you on a portable flash drive > * One license allows use of both the portable and the installer version > > I also like their LinkStash program for saving URLs, with notes; again I've > been using it for at least a couple of years. I have a separate database > for > my genealogy URLs. I love the fact that it checks for dead links, since > some > of my URLs are old and have changed or don't work anymore. I don't have to > DIY. > > Another useful program for RM entry, email, etc., is Smart Type Assistant > (STA). I paid for it several years ago; it's now free. > http://www.blazingtools.com/ > > At the time it was the best tool I could find for my needs, but there are > others out now that you might find as useful--but not cheap. > > I use STA to enter text into RM. For example, instead of typing Tennessee, > I > type "tn." When I guess at a date and place for an event, I type "dpm" and > STA enters "Date and place my guess." [I know; you might not want to guess > at such things but I do, and I'm usually very close when I find out the > actual date and place of marriage or whatever.] I have lots of shortcuts, > such as "cem" for Cemetery, "dc" for Death Certificate, "tdc" for Texas > Death Certificate, etc. It also corrects typos for me, since I often > transpose characters. And I use it to automatically type my email address, > since I have 4 different ones I use (one just for genealogy emails), and to > type my address and other information into forms because I don't like to > keep that stuff in my browser. > > Hope this helps. Data entry into a genealogy program can be really > time-consuming. These and similar programs can cut that time, so you have > more time for research <g>. > > Laurie Nelson > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- -- Jon P Czarowitz, NHC, GF, GGF, IGC Hempel Genealogist since 1986 International Genealogist for http://www.clancunninghamintl.org RootsMagic 5 http://www.rootsmagic.com CUNNINGHAMS TOGETHER - CUNNINGHAMS WORLDWIDE!

I converted from The Master Genealogist (TMG) to RootsMagic a few years ago (and have had no regrets!). However, TMG does shared facts better. In TMG, if I created a shared fact--say a godfather--for a christening event, then looked at the TMG equivalent of the "Edit Person" screen for the godfather, it would list: the fact (event) as "witness" and in the detail column it would say "Godfather, [date], christening, [name of infant] [location]. This gave me all the info I need at a glance about the nature of the witness fact, and the fact that was witnessed, and it is clear to anybody else looking at it that this was not the christening of the godfather, but that he was the witness of a christening of an infant. In RM, I get an icon (the meaning of which is not apparent), "chr" (in italics), the date of the christening, the name of the infant, and the location. The RM presentation does not really tell me what happened in the witness's life; instead it tells me what happened in somebody else's life. Even though RM says "Chr" under the Facts column, the witness was not christened; he acted as a godfather). The only way I can see what really happened in the godfather's life is to click on the Share button (as though I were going to edit the fact) and look there to see what his role was. Shared facts have great potential, but it is potential not yet realized in RM. Ted Meikle

For copying a fact with or without a source to several people! I have mentioned this before, but I don't remember where, probably on the forum somewhere, so here it is again. To copy a fact, with or without a source to several people: Create a new, empty database, In this new database create a person, just a simple given name, I used the letter A, don't need a surname or sex. Add the fact and source to A Drag and drop A onto each of the people who you want to have this fact, be sure to check the box that this is the same person. Go to each of the people upon whom you dropped A and delete the Alt name fact for A You are done with the temporary database so go to it and delete it, Be careful to check the name to be sure which database you are deleting. Alfred ===============

This isn't going to solve the problems with not being able to copy facts to use as shared facts, but I've been using a program called ClipCache Pro for several years that might help some of you. It has saved me a LOT of time entering data in RM. Although I use it for other things, I use it mostly for RM. Disclaimer: I have no interest whatsoever in this program. But I did spend a lot of time trying out other programs before I purchased it. Not only does ClipCache Pro copy text, including URLs, but it also copies graphics. I've even used it to copy my conversations with tech support for programs I was having trouble with. Here are the features listed on their website: http://www.xrayz.co.uk/ * Easy to use and powerful clipboard extender and a whole lot more * One of the only clipboard extenders that offer these three essentials: a tree outline view, global search and the ability to record the source of your clips, making it ideal for researchers of all kinds * Support for Unicode international text * Massively customisable * Clean text clips in many useful ways, for example removing the annoying ">>>>" marks from email text * Create your own custom text-cleaners * Convert the clipboard to pure text * Take your clips with you on a portable flash drive * One license allows use of both the portable and the installer version I also like their LinkStash program for saving URLs, with notes; again I've been using it for at least a couple of years. I have a separate database for my genealogy URLs. I love the fact that it checks for dead links, since some of my URLs are old and have changed or don't work anymore. I don't have to DIY. Another useful program for RM entry, email, etc., is Smart Type Assistant (STA). I paid for it several years ago; it's now free. http://www.blazingtools.com/ At the time it was the best tool I could find for my needs, but there are others out now that you might find as useful--but not cheap. I use STA to enter text into RM. For example, instead of typing Tennessee, I type "tn." When I guess at a date and place for an event, I type "dpm" and STA enters "Date and place my guess." [I know; you might not want to guess at such things but I do, and I'm usually very close when I find out the actual date and place of marriage or whatever.] I have lots of shortcuts, such as "cem" for Cemetery, "dc" for Death Certificate, "tdc" for Texas Death Certificate, etc. It also corrects typos for me, since I often transpose characters. And I use it to automatically type my email address, since I have 4 different ones I use (one just for genealogy emails), and to type my address and other information into forms because I don't like to keep that stuff in my browser. Hope this helps. Data entry into a genealogy program can be really time-consuming. These and similar programs can cut that time, so you have more time for research <g>. Laurie Nelson

I don't use shared facts for many of the same reasons others stated. I tried it when it first came out, but saw the problems with some reports and accidentally deleted an entire shared fact twice because I was trying to remove it from one of the shared people. But entering items separately for each person really isn't THAT difficult using buttons and shortcut keys rather than re-typing the notes or sources. - Bruce has a "Memorize" button on the source screen. Once you've entered a source for someone, you can memorize the source and then you can use his "Paste" button to put that source on other people over and over until you "Memorize" another one. And this "copy" saves it in the RM source clipboard and doesn't keep you from copying other things. It's awesome to use if you're putting the same source on multiple people - such as a book, legal document, or in this case census. - Windows clipboard shortcuts work fine within RM. When you type the notes, highlight them and do Ctrl+C to copy what you typed. Then create a new fact on another person, open the Notes, and Ctrl+V to paste it in. What you copied remains on the clipboard to be pasted in until you copy something else. So, when I'm entering a census for a large family: - I add my census fact to the head of household. - Then I enter the notes, highlight and Ctrl+C to copy it before saving. - Next I add the source and I "memorize" that before saving. - Then I go to each other individual, add the fact, open Notes, Ctr+V and save, open Sources, "Paste" button and save. It's all done without re-typing any notes or sources - just having to enter a new fact and paste in the details for each additional person. Cheri Zuber http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~zuber/ -----Original Message----- From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kim Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 2:57 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Shared Facts I've been using shared facts for just about everything from census to baptism sponsors. I used them because it saves me so much time entering records over for each person. Especially with large family's and census data! I have to say I love this feature, but I didn't realize that they didn't show up in the research report. :-( I hope that will be fixed soon! I've also been hoping for some time that a conversion tool will be made that can convert the shared facts to individual facts when you export a gedcom. Kim On 11/05/2012 02:38 PM, Lisa Gorrell wrote: > Connie, > > I, too, wished there was some sort of "clipboard" in RM. I really miss > that in Legacy. I copy the source but must make a new event for each > person I want to attach that source. It is alot of work. But I also > switched to RM for the Research Notes report. > > Lisa Gorrell > > =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A SQLite query to convert shared to unshared is something I have on my to-do list... I have written a query that attempts to convert identical individual events to shared ones. Reading http://sqlitetoolsforrootsmagic.wikispaces.com/Sharable+Events+-+Find+and+Convert+to+Shared might indicate why I have not rushed in the opposite direction (might be easier, though). My brain can only take so much. It's currently struggling with the vagaries of getting all of what I want from Ancestry.com Family Trees into RM. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Kim Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 5:23 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Shared Facts Ok, entering all the data twice isn't something I would want to do. ;) But it would work. I don't have an iPad or iPhone etc. so I don't think I can use GEDview...