But I haven't discovered how to do it yet and would appreciate an answer. I had despaired of ever getting my place list cleaned up, but separating the place details and then merging the places works so easily and quickly. Thank you, Bruce! -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Davis <jespat@verizon.net> To: rootsmagic-users <rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 11:06 am Subject: [RMagic] Place details I found out how to merge place details also. So, I am off and running! J Davis =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To convert the citations to the INDI level to citations for the primary NAME in the GEDCOM can be done with a regular expression search and replace tool capable of handling multi-line patterns. My PSPad text editor is not capable of that. I have used, in the past, the very powerful EcoByte Replace Text program; while it would probably do the job, it is no longer supported and purportedly has some issues with some Windows 7 installations. It is still available and free at http://www.ecobyte.com/replacetext/ . I could help with the expressions although I am very rusty. Alternatively, it appears that a SQLite query could convert or copy all of the Person citations to the Primary Name citation. Although invisible to the RM user interface except for the Source List report, they do export to GEDCOM as sources for the first NAME tag. Subsequent NAME tags are all Alternate Names. For me, that is easier than the text search and replace; SQLiteSpy is my go-to tool to address things I cannot do within RM. Explore http://sqlitetoolsforrootsmagic.wikispaces.com/ to see if it's for you. The reverse process is also needed for imports from Ancestry, Family Tree Maker and, apparently Legacy Family Tree: i.e., convert primary Name citations to citations of the Person. Why these basic differences exist is beyond me. I hope that the RootsMagician could find a way to be able to support bidirectional transparency for Person and Name citations between RootsMagic and these others. Until then..., losses or workarounds. Tom -----Original Message----- From: J. Hugh Sullivan Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 10:23 AM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Name citation As a result of Tom's helpful reply I looked at gedcoms from RM4 and Legacy. They appear to my untrained eye to be identical - an INDI and a NAME. In both cases the NAME has a name entered. My first thought would be that they could be exchanged between programs with no exceptions. But they can't as we discussed. My method was to create a gedcom from Legacy and import to RM4 then create a gedcom from RM4. So my question becomes, is there a way to mass edit an RM gedcom so the name will be sourced when exporting back to Legacy? Hugh ------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 23:32:22 -0500 From: "Tom Holden" <ve3meo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [RMagic] Name citation It's not that NAME is INDI in RootsMagic. Both are valid tags in GEDCOM. INDI is the base tag for every new person and carries the RIN: 0 @I7@ INDI - this starts the block of data about a person with RIN 17. NAME is subsidiary to INDI; it's a property of the person, so it's on a lower level: =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found out how to merge place details also. So, I am off and running! J Davis

Thanks for the update and thanks for all the work on RM6. It is a great application. Gary -----Original Message----- From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of RootsMagic Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 10:31 AM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] RM 6 update It fixed an issue with RM6 not being able to run on a few XP systems, and some cosmetic issues. - Bruce http://www.rootsmagic.com On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Gary L. Roberts <glroberts@verizon.net> wrote: > I was trying to find what was updated/fixed in 6.0.0.2. Can someone > tell me where the info would be on what was done? > > Tks > > Gary > > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> I split off the cemetery names and put them in the details of the county. > Later when I was doing a clean up of names, I noticed that I had several > instances of the county name so - not thinking, I merged those county names. > I ended up with 5 different cemeteries with the details of the county. When > I click on the county name in the place list, those 5 cemetery names show in > the detail section. When I click on the cemetery and do a "print," it shows > everyone in that county with no reference to cemeteries. I think (not sure) > that the burial place is still in the person's burial information but I > can't print out all who were buried in that cemetery. I stopped splitting > out the cemeteries as soon as I realized what I was doing. I follow pretty much the same procedure and I don't seem to have a problem. So I'm trying to figure out what we are doing differently. Here'a a question, when you say that you click on a county name in the Place List and have 5 cemetery names, what's the problem? That's the way it's supposed to work. Or are you saying that you get duplicate cemetery names? If so, then you need to merge them in the same basic way that you merged the counties. Jerry

> It's not that NAME is INDI in RootsMagic. Both are valid tags in GEDCOM. > INDI is the base tag for every new person and carries the RIN: > 0 @I7@ INDI - this starts the block of data about a person with RIN 17. > > NAME is subsidiary to INDI; it's a property of the person, so it's on a > lower level: > 1 NAME William Henry /Cotterill/ - level 1 is below level 0; every GEDCOM > statement from the above level 0 down to the next level 0 pertain to the > entity defined by the 1st 0. Absolutely correct, and the reason the tag is called INDI is because that's a four letter abbreviation for INDIvidual. Jerry

I was trying to find what was updated/fixed in 6.0.0.2. Can someone tell me where the info would be on what was done? Tks Gary

Hugh, I'm just a novice here, although I have been researching for over 30 years and using multiple softwares in those 30 years, finally finding Family Origins, and now RootsMagic. I don't have anything to add that will help you, but I am puzzled as to why you move your database between RM and Legacy? I believe I tried Legacy once, years ago, but didn't stick with it for some reason or another. What is your purpose for moving your database between the two softwares? What does Legacy give you that RM does not? Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Hugh Sullivan" <sull1927@bellsouth.net> To: <rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [RMagic] Name citation > As a result of Tom's helpful reply I looked at gedcoms from RM4 and > Legacy. > They appear to my untrained eye to be identical - an INDI and a NAME. In > both cases the NAME has a name entered. My first thought would be that > they > could be exchanged between programs with no exceptions. But they can't as > we > discussed. > > My method was to create a gedcom from Legacy and import to RM4 then create > a > gedcom from RM4. > > So my question becomes, is there a way to mass edit an RM gedcom so the > name > will be sourced when exporting back to Legacy? > > Hugh > ------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 23:32:22 -0500 > From: "Tom Holden" <ve3meo@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [RMagic] Name citation > > It's not that NAME is INDI in RootsMagic. Both are valid tags in GEDCOM. > INDI is the base tag for every new person and carries the RIN: > 0 @I7@ INDI - this starts the block of data about a person with RIN 17. > > NAME is subsidiary to INDI; it's a property of the person, so it's on a > lower level: > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It fixed an issue with RM6 not being able to run on a few XP systems, and some cosmetic issues. - Bruce http://www.rootsmagic.com On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Gary L. Roberts <glroberts@verizon.net> wrote: > I was trying to find what was updated/fixed in 6.0.0.2. Can someone tell me > where the info would be on what was done? > > Tks > > Gary > > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found out how to edit place details. Now is it possible to merge 2 place details? From: Jesse Davis Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 8:50 AM To: Laurie Nelson ; rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Advantages of Using Place Details? That works well! Is it possible to edit place details? From: Alfred Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 11:22 PM To: Laurie Nelson ; rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Advantages of Using Place Details? There are a few detractors of place details. A GEDCOM transfer to some other program might not understand it too well. (that's about all the bad that I can think of.) Changing to place details isn't as difficult as it looks. For a bit of a trial of this, *backup your database* Now rename the one you are going to work with, add something like "with place details" before the dot. OK, go to the Lists menu then the Pace list. Scroll down to some place you know has a churches or cemetery listed in some town. With it highlighted, click the edit button, in the edit box near the lower right corner, click on "Split place/details" The top field will show the place as is is now, My example: "Memorial Park Cem., Huron, Beadle, South Dakota" Place the cursor just before the town name, Huron press the mouse button and drag clear to the left highlighting: "Memorial Park Cem., " With that highlighted, hit the Ctrl+X combination to CUT it Go to the place detail field and press the Ctrl+V to paste it there, You can edit it a bit, remove the comma and maybe type out the complete word for Cemetery. Everyone who was buried there is now updated. Going through the place list you can do this with one after another, when you get a bunch of them done you may find you have several places with the same name, you can them merge them and end up with one place with all the place details. You may find you don't like it, if not, restore your backup and forgetaboutit. It took me much longer to type this out than it would to do it. Alfred ======== Laurie Nelson wrote: > I finally broke down and updated from RM3 to RM6, and I'm really liking it. > When I updated to RM4, I disliked it so much that I went back to RM3--even > though I have been using this product since it was Family Origins--and I > never tried RM5. > > Now I'm wondering what are the advantages of putting a specific place, such > as a cemetery name, in Place Details? In the past I've either put the > cemetery name in the note or, if I have a lot of people buried in the same > cemetery, I put a dash following the city, county, state and put the > cemetery name there so I can easily select it from the Place list. > > I don't want to change my procedure unless there's a really good reason, > since I have a lot of data that would be impacted. I'd rather spend my time > adding new data than changing place data unless there's a good reason. > > TIA for any information. > > Laurie Nelson > > =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2793 / Virus Database: 2629/5917 - Release Date: 11/24/12

As a result of Tom's helpful reply I looked at gedcoms from RM4 and Legacy. They appear to my untrained eye to be identical - an INDI and a NAME. In both cases the NAME has a name entered. My first thought would be that they could be exchanged between programs with no exceptions. But they can't as we discussed. My method was to create a gedcom from Legacy and import to RM4 then create a gedcom from RM4. So my question becomes, is there a way to mass edit an RM gedcom so the name will be sourced when exporting back to Legacy? Hugh ------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 23:32:22 -0500 From: "Tom Holden" <ve3meo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [RMagic] Name citation It's not that NAME is INDI in RootsMagic. Both are valid tags in GEDCOM. INDI is the base tag for every new person and carries the RIN: 0 @I7@ INDI - this starts the block of data about a person with RIN 17. NAME is subsidiary to INDI; it's a property of the person, so it's on a lower level:

That works well! Is it possible to edit place details? From: Alfred Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 11:22 PM To: Laurie Nelson ; rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Advantages of Using Place Details? There are a few detractors of place details. A GEDCOM transfer to some other program might not understand it too well. (that's about all the bad that I can think of.) Changing to place details isn't as difficult as it looks. For a bit of a trial of this, *backup your database* Now rename the one you are going to work with, add something like "with place details" before the dot. OK, go to the Lists menu then the Pace list. Scroll down to some place you know has a churches or cemetery listed in some town. With it highlighted, click the edit button, in the edit box near the lower right corner, click on "Split place/details" The top field will show the place as is is now, My example: "Memorial Park Cem., Huron, Beadle, South Dakota" Place the cursor just before the town name, Huron press the mouse button and drag clear to the left highlighting: "Memorial Park Cem., " With that highlighted, hit the Ctrl+X combination to CUT it Go to the place detail field and press the Ctrl+V to paste it there, You can edit it a bit, remove the comma and maybe type out the complete word for Cemetery. Everyone who was buried there is now updated. Going through the place list you can do this with one after another, when you get a bunch of them done you may find you have several places with the same name, you can them merge them and end up with one place with all the place details. You may find you don't like it, if not, restore your backup and forgetaboutit. It took me much longer to type this out than it would to do it. Alfred ======== Laurie Nelson wrote: > I finally broke down and updated from RM3 to RM6, and I'm really liking it. > When I updated to RM4, I disliked it so much that I went back to RM3--even > though I have been using this product since it was Family Origins--and I > never tried RM5. > > Now I'm wondering what are the advantages of putting a specific place, such > as a cemetery name, in Place Details? In the past I've either put the > cemetery name in the note or, if I have a lot of people buried in the same > cemetery, I put a dash following the city, county, state and put the > cemetery name there so I can easily select it from the Place list. > > I don't want to change my procedure unless there's a really good reason, > since I have a lot of data that would be impacted. I'd rather spend my time > adding new data than changing place data unless there's a good reason. > > TIA for any information. > > Laurie Nelson > > =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2793 / Virus Database: 2629/5917 - Release Date: 11/24/12

It's not that NAME is INDI in RootsMagic. Both are valid tags in GEDCOM. INDI is the base tag for every new person and carries the RIN: 0 @I7@ INDI - this starts the block of data about a person with RIN 17. NAME is subsidiary to INDI; it's a property of the person, so it's on a lower level: 1 NAME William Henry /Cotterill/ - level 1 is below level 0; every GEDCOM statement from the above level 0 down to the next level 0 pertain to the entity defined by the 1st 0. 2 SOUR @S11@ - level 2 pertains to the last level 1 statement above it. So this citation is against the NAME 3 PAGE Class: RG12; Piece: 2764; Folio 86; Page 7; GSU roll: 6097874. 3 DATA 4 TEXT Birth date: abt 1850Birth place: Brampton, Derbyshire, 5 CONC EnglandResidence date: 1891Residence place: Brampton, Derbyshire, 5 CONC England 1 SOUR @S1@ - but this citation is at the same level as NAME and is subsidiary to INDI at level 0 so it is a Person citation, not a NAME citation. Tom -----Original Message----- From: J. Hugh Sullivan Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 9:36 AM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Name citation Thank you, Tom Holden, for your explanation. I'm surprised that "name" is "indi" in RootsMagic. I guess it made sense to someone. I will presume that RM6 is not changed from RM4 for name citation. Probably no one else noticed the problem before. Is the gedcom standard indi or name? If it's indi I need to question the Legacy people. I want the programs to be compatible because I want to use both. Of all the other available programs only TMG is a peer. And to Jim Winfrey, years ago I made several suggestions to Bruce and we had numerous exchanges. That was back when I was telling everyone on the genealogy newsgroups that FO was much better than the Banner Blue product (FTM). Bruce adopted some of my suggestions so, yes we can win. We just may not win them all. My apologies to Drew. It had been so long since I posted here... mea culpa. Hugh =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 25/11/12 12:27, Tom Holden wrote: > Drag the desired control from the list and drop it into the toolbar to > the left of the right end. Drop it on an existing control adds it to the > dropdown list. Drop it in between and it's directly visible. > Gotcha. Thanks. -- Regards Dave

A minor bug in Timeline view - while editing a fact, Ctrl-C causes the 'color coding' dialogue to appear rather than the desired copy function. Ctrl-V is non-functional. Ctrl-A causes the 'fact types' dialogue to appear. Ctrl-X works as expected. Family view is fine. On a different subject - how does one add a button to the main tool bar? I go to 'add or remove buttons', then 'customise', then select the toolbar. So far, so good. Then I select the commands tab, and the 'search/search everywhere. I'd like to add this button to the main toolbar, but can't see any way to do it. Double-clicking it does nothing. Surely, there should be an 'add this command' button somewhere? -- Regards Dave

I split off the cemetery names and put them in the details of the county. Later when I was doing a clean up of names, I noticed that I had several instances of the county name so - not thinking, I merged those county names. I ended up with 5 different cemeteries with the details of the county. When I click on the county name in the place list, those 5 cemetery names show in the detail section. When I click on the cemetery and do a "print," it shows everyone in that county with no reference to cemeteries. I think (not sure) that the burial place is still in the person's burial information but I can't print out all who were buried in that cemetery. I stopped splitting out the cemeteries as soon as I realized what I was doing. Betty

Thank you, Tom Holden, for your explanation. I'm surprised that "name" is "indi" in RootsMagic. I guess it made sense to someone. I will presume that RM6 is not changed from RM4 for name citation. Probably no one else noticed the problem before. Is the gedcom standard indi or name? If it's indi I need to question the Legacy people. I want the programs to be compatible because I want to use both. Of all the other available programs only TMG is a peer. And to Jim Winfrey, years ago I made several suggestions to Bruce and we had numerous exchanges. That was back when I was telling everyone on the genealogy newsgroups that FO was much better than the Banner Blue product (FTM). Bruce adopted some of my suggestions so, yes we can win. We just may not win them all. My apologies to Drew. It had been so long since I posted here... mea culpa. Hugh

Drag the desired control from the list and drop it into the toolbar to the left of the right end. Drop it on an existing control adds it to the dropdown list. Drop it in between and it's directly visible. Tom -----Original Message----- From: David Massie Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:50 AM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [RMagic] RM6 and timeline editing A minor bug in Timeline view - while editing a fact, Ctrl-C causes the 'color coding' dialogue to appear rather than the desired copy function. Ctrl-V is non-functional. Ctrl-A causes the 'fact types' dialogue to appear. Ctrl-X works as expected. Family view is fine. On a different subject - how does one add a button to the main tool bar? I go to 'add or remove buttons', then 'customise', then select the toolbar. So far, so good. Then I select the commands tab, and the 'search/search everywhere. I'd like to add this button to the main toolbar, but can't see any way to do it. Double-clicking it does nothing. Surely, there should be an 'add this command' button somewhere? -- Regards Dave =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are a few detractors of place details. A GEDCOM transfer to some other program might not understand it too well. (that's about all the bad that I can think of.) Changing to place details isn't as difficult as it looks. For a bit of a trial of this, *backup your database* Now rename the one you are going to work with, add something like "with place details" before the dot. OK, go to the Lists menu then the Pace list. Scroll down to some place you know has a churches or cemetery listed in some town. With it highlighted, click the edit button, in the edit box near the lower right corner, click on "Split place/details" The top field will show the place as is is now, My example: "Memorial Park Cem., Huron, Beadle, South Dakota" Place the cursor just before the town name, Huron press the mouse button and drag clear to the left highlighting: "Memorial Park Cem., " With that highlighted, hit the Ctrl+X combination to CUT it Go to the place detail field and press the Ctrl+V to paste it there, You can edit it a bit, remove the comma and maybe type out the complete word for Cemetery. Everyone who was buried there is now updated. Going through the place list you can do this with one after another, when you get a bunch of them done you may find you have several places with the same name, you can them merge them and end up with one place with all the place details. You may find you don't like it, if not, restore your backup and forgetaboutit. It took me much longer to type this out than it would to do it. Alfred ======== Laurie Nelson wrote: > I finally broke down and updated from RM3 to RM6, and I'm really liking it. > When I updated to RM4, I disliked it so much that I went back to RM3--even > though I have been using this product since it was Family Origins--and I > never tried RM5. > > Now I'm wondering what are the advantages of putting a specific place, such > as a cemetery name, in Place Details? In the past I've either put the > cemetery name in the note or, if I have a lot of people buried in the same > cemetery, I put a dash following the city, county, state and put the > cemetery name there so I can easily select it from the Place list. > > I don't want to change my procedure unless there's a really good reason, > since I have a lot of data that would be impacted. I'd rather spend my time > adding new data than changing place data unless there's a good reason. > > TIA for any information. > > Laurie Nelson > >

I finally broke down and updated from RM3 to RM6, and I'm really liking it. When I updated to RM4, I disliked it so much that I went back to RM3--even though I have been using this product since it was Family Origins--and I never tried RM5. Now I'm wondering what are the advantages of putting a specific place, such as a cemetery name, in Place Details? In the past I've either put the cemetery name in the note or, if I have a lot of people buried in the same cemetery, I put a dash following the city, county, state and put the cemetery name there so I can easily select it from the Place list. I don't want to change my procedure unless there's a really good reason, since I have a lot of data that would be impacted. I'd rather spend my time adding new data than changing place data unless there's a good reason. TIA for any information. Laurie Nelson