Thanks, Kevin. I didn't think to try the options button and I didn't find what I needed in Help either. This works beautifully. Then when I read your post, I realized that the reason I have two user-defined Move facts is because one is for family and one is personal. So I don't want to change those after all. Laurie Nelson >From: Kevin Benson Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 2:58 AM To: Laurie Nelson ; rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Any Way to Change Fact Type? In the <Edit Person> screen, click to highlight the fact you wish to change, then click the <Options> button and choose <Change fact type>. Individual facts can only be changed to other Individual fact types. Family facts can only be changed to other Family fact types. -- -- -- --Ô¿Ô-- K e V i N< >>On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 4:21 AM, Laurie Nelson <lane-nelson@q.com> wrote: I don't think this can be done, but thought I'd ask. Luckily I have only a few fact types that I want to change to another fact type. I think I remember that this capability was in RM 4 or 5, but my memory ain't so good sometimes. e.g., I want to change a Miscellaneous fact to something like a Property fact without having to copy and move everything to the Property fact. Is that possible, even though the facts are different? Also I somehow wound up with two very similar user-defined facts from 3-4 years ago, but I only need one. The one I want to get rid of is only used for two people. Is it possible to combine the two facts? TIA.<<

In the <Edit Person> screen, click to highlight the fact you wish to change, then click the <Options> button and choose <Change fact type>. Individual facts can only be changed to other Individual fact types. Family facts can only be changed to other Family fact types. -- -- -- --Ô¿Ô-- K e V i N On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 4:21 AM, Laurie Nelson <lane-nelson@q.com> wrote: > I don't think this can be done, but thought I'd ask. Luckily I have only a > few fact types that I want to change to another fact type. I think I > remember that this capability was in RM 4 or 5, but my memory ain't so good > sometimes. > > e.g., I want to change a Miscellaneous fact to something like a Property > fact without having to copy and move everything to the Property fact. Is > that possible, even though the facts are different? > > Also I somehow wound up with two very similar user-defined facts from 3-4 > years ago, but I only need one. The one I want to get rid of is only used > for two people. Is it possible to combine the two facts? > > TIA.

I don't think this can be done, but thought I'd ask. Luckily I have only a few fact types that I want to change to another fact type. I think I remember that this capability was in RM 4 or 5, but my memory ain't so good sometimes. e.g., I want to change a Miscellaneous fact to something like a Property fact without having to copy and move everything to the Property fact. Is that possible, even though the facts are different? Also I somehow wound up with two very similar user-defined facts from 3-4 years ago, but I only need one. The one I want to get rid of is only used for two people. Is it possible to combine the two facts? TIA.

Thanks Laura, Not sure how I want to deal with it. Will probably create a new source level called microfilm and put them there. I prefer to only enter notes about a particular piece of data in the details text. Mainly want to use it on my phone, do not want to have to make major data changes. Currently I have about 5000 sources with around 1300 repositories. To change how I enter citations would mean years of cleanup that i have no desire to do. But thank you so much for the detailed information. When I do make the changes, I won't have to figure it out through trial and error. Teresa Elliott On Dec 20, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Laura Beeman <lebeeman@gmail.com> wrote: > Teresa, a source citation consists of two parts. > > The Master source is the part of the source that never has to be typed in > again that you see on the Lists, Master source list or on the Source > citation screen labeled Master source, i.e. LDS microfilm, Book, etc. Any > changes made in the Master source only has to be done once. > >> From your example of your Repository: > Rutherford County, TN, Direct and Indirect Indexes to Trust Deeds S-A-D, > 1955-1958, , S-M-R 1955-1961, S-S-Z 1955-1962, Roll 006, Tennessee State > Library and Archives, Nashville, TN > > That would be your Master source Footnote. Master source name could be: > Rutherford County, TN, Direct and Indirect Indexes to Trust Deeds > > Enter Short Footnote and Bibliography how you want them to print in > reports. The Master source Footnote, Short Footnote, and Bibliography > print in reports. The Masterr source name, Text and Comments prints only > in the Source list report. So put anything you want to print about a > source in the Footnote, reliability, pages that can't be read, etc. > > Source citation on Jane Doe's Edit person screen for the fact: > > Master source: > Rutherford County, TN, Direct and Indirect Indexes to Trust Deeds > > Source detail: > S-E-L 1955-1962, p. 234B, Jane Doe, accessed 1 Jan 2012 > > In the Details text, enter what ever notes that pertains to that specific > person or family, These notes and comments can be printed in reports. > . > Source citation on Henry Smith's Edit person screen for the Census fact: > > Master source: > AR, Sharp, Census, 1930, 1290011, LDS microfilm > > Source detail: > S-S-Z 1955-1962, p. 377A, Henry Smith, accessed 30 Dec 2010 > > If you look at a predefined Source template at Lists, Source templates, in > the right pane, the fields with the Y in the Citation column are the fields > that are entered in the Source details. The fields with no Y are the > fields entered into the Master source. The sentence templates prints a > field whereever it is needed in the sentence for the report regardless of > whether it is entered in the Master source or Source details. > > A Free form source prints the entries in the Master source Footnote, Short > footnote, and Bibiography boxes and then the entry in the Page number box > of the Source detail. > > To copy the source citation for Jane Doe, Memorize the source citation and > Paste it where ever it is needed for another fact in Jane Doe's record or > another person's fact. Any changes made to the Source details will need > to be made to each place that Source citation is linked. > > Before making any major changes to your main database, create a new Play > database and drag and drop your main database into it or copy the main > database and give it a new name. Play around with different ways of > entering sources, ToDo's including Task names, and Repositories and the > different reports before making any major changes in the main database. > > ---------- > > From: "Teresa Elliott" <cheasa@bellsouth.net> > Subject: Re: [RMagic] Repository questions > Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 22:51:10 -0600 > > Susanne, > What you are suggesting though is that for my 200 census sources, I retype > the information about the microfilm into each source template in the > location of the source. What I am saying is I want to enter that one time, > and then link to it in each source type. What Tom is suggesting is I make > the microfilm the source and then put the information about the household > into the source details. But if I do that and cite that same household > enumeration 40 times (which is not uncommon since I source every piece of > information about the individuals) , then I am typing that data over and > over again. Currently I enter the source information one time for each head > of household, and one time for each roll of microfilm. I link them together > as source and repository. If I find a typo in the microfilm information, I > edit the repository and it fixes it for all two hundred sources. If I did it > the way you suggest, then I'd have to edit 200 source templates. Then when > I use the source, I don't use anything in the source details field except if > I need notes specific to that one piece of data. > > I understand what you are both saying. What I want to do won't work, so I > need another solution that will work. > > What I am asking is can the "Source comments" and "source text" fields be > added to source templates and then printed? Some of my microfilm rolls > have quite long names, and I do not think the location field would work. > Obviously, I need for the information to print as part of a source citation. > > Here's an example of how one of my repositories prints currently: > Rutherford County, TN, Direct and Indirect Indexes to Trust Deeds S-A-D > 1955-1958, S-E-L 1955-1962, S-M-R 1955-1961, S-S-Z 1955-1962, Roll 006, > Tennessee State Library and Archives, Nashville, TN > > So you can see why I would not want to have to retype that every time I > found a deed on that roll of microfilm. :) During that time period, I had > at least 7 living ancestors living in the county. > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings I have a word or wordpad or similar text prog open. and data that i need over and over I copy from RM and paste in to it. Then when i need it again I can just copy and paste into RM. I usually try and get Repository source etc etc correct in 1st place so that I do not need to do this too often Richard in UK in fact every time i note something from any "source" on www I copy and paste into files with a ref so I do not have to spend time in RM in dribs and drabs. >>> Here's an example of how one of my repositories prints currently: >>> Rutherford County, TN, Direct and Indirect Indexes to Trust Deeds >>> S-A-D 1955-1958, S-E-L 1955-1962, S-M-R 1955-1961, S-S-Z 1955-1962, >>> Roll 006, Tennessee State Library and Archives, Nashville, TN >>> >>> So you can see why I would not want to have to retype that every time >>> I found a deed on that roll of microfilm. :) During that time >>> period, I had at least 7 living ancestors living in the county. >>> >>>

Teresa, a source citation consists of two parts. The Master source is the part of the source that never has to be typed in again that you see on the Lists, Master source list or on the Source citation screen labeled Master source, i.e. LDS microfilm, Book, etc. Any changes made in the Master source only has to be done once. >From your example of your Repository: Rutherford County, TN, Direct and Indirect Indexes to Trust Deeds S-A-D, 1955-1958, , S-M-R 1955-1961, S-S-Z 1955-1962, Roll 006, Tennessee State Library and Archives, Nashville, TN That would be your Master source Footnote. Master source name could be: Rutherford County, TN, Direct and Indirect Indexes to Trust Deeds Enter Short Footnote and Bibliography how you want them to print in reports. The Master source Footnote, Short Footnote, and Bibliography print in reports. The Masterr source name, Text and Comments prints only in the Source list report. So put anything you want to print about a source in the Footnote, reliability, pages that can't be read, etc. Source citation on Jane Doe's Edit person screen for the fact: Master source: Rutherford County, TN, Direct and Indirect Indexes to Trust Deeds Source detail: S-E-L 1955-1962, p. 234B, Jane Doe, accessed 1 Jan 2012 In the Details text, enter what ever notes that pertains to that specific person or family, These notes and comments can be printed in reports. . Source citation on Henry Smith's Edit person screen for the Census fact: Master source: AR, Sharp, Census, 1930, 1290011, LDS microfilm Source detail: S-S-Z 1955-1962, p. 377A, Henry Smith, accessed 30 Dec 2010 If you look at a predefined Source template at Lists, Source templates, in the right pane, the fields with the Y in the Citation column are the fields that are entered in the Source details. The fields with no Y are the fields entered into the Master source. The sentence templates prints a field whereever it is needed in the sentence for the report regardless of whether it is entered in the Master source or Source details. A Free form source prints the entries in the Master source Footnote, Short footnote, and Bibiography boxes and then the entry in the Page number box of the Source detail. To copy the source citation for Jane Doe, Memorize the source citation and Paste it where ever it is needed for another fact in Jane Doe's record or another person's fact. Any changes made to the Source details will need to be made to each place that Source citation is linked. Before making any major changes to your main database, create a new Play database and drag and drop your main database into it or copy the main database and give it a new name. Play around with different ways of entering sources, ToDo's including Task names, and Repositories and the different reports before making any major changes in the main database. ---------- From: "Teresa Elliott" <cheasa@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [RMagic] Repository questions Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 22:51:10 -0600 Susanne, What you are suggesting though is that for my 200 census sources, I retype the information about the microfilm into each source template in the location of the source. What I am saying is I want to enter that one time, and then link to it in each source type. What Tom is suggesting is I make the microfilm the source and then put the information about the household into the source details. But if I do that and cite that same household enumeration 40 times (which is not uncommon since I source every piece of information about the individuals) , then I am typing that data over and over again. Currently I enter the source information one time for each head of household, and one time for each roll of microfilm. I link them together as source and repository. If I find a typo in the microfilm information, I edit the repository and it fixes it for all two hundred sources. If I did it the way you suggest, then I'd have to edit 200 source templates. Then when I use the source, I don't use anything in the source details field except if I need notes specific to that one piece of data. I understand what you are both saying. What I want to do won't work, so I need another solution that will work. What I am asking is can the "Source comments" and "source text" fields be added to source templates and then printed? Some of my microfilm rolls have quite long names, and I do not think the location field would work. Obviously, I need for the information to print as part of a source citation. Here's an example of how one of my repositories prints currently: Rutherford County, TN, Direct and Indirect Indexes to Trust Deeds S-A-D 1955-1958, S-E-L 1955-1962, S-M-R 1955-1961, S-S-Z 1955-1962, Roll 006, Tennessee State Library and Archives, Nashville, TN So you can see why I would not want to have to retype that every time I found a deed on that roll of microfilm. :) During that time period, I had at least 7 living ancestors living in the county.

Hi Teresa, Unfortunately, I can't answer your question, but it might bw worthwhile to post your question on the RootsMagic forum. You might also try sending your question directly to support. If it isn't currently possible to do what you want to do, Bruce may hava a thought regarding a workaround and/or it may be a feature that he would be able to add to a future update. Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI -----Original Message----- From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Elliott Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:28 AM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Repository questions Suzanne Because no one has answered the question, can they be added to a source output template. I can't believe I am the first person to ask if those fields can be output. Teresa Elliott On Dec 19, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Suzanne Brayer <sybrayer@gmail.com> wrote: > I understand your not wanting to reedit all those sources. Why not > play around with your idea that "Source comments" and "source text" > fields be added to source templates and then printed." Make a backup > of your database, create a new one under another name and "fiddle" > with it. Perhaps you can make it work within your parameters. > > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Teresa Elliott <cheasa@bellsouth.net>wrote: > >> Susanne, >> What you are suggesting though is that for my 200 census sources, I >> retype the information about the microfilm into each source template >> in the location of the source. What I am saying is I want to enter >> that one time, and then link to it in each source type. What Tom is >> suggesting is I make the microfilm the source and then put the >> information about the household into the source details. But if I do >> that and cite that same household enumeration 40 times (which is not >> uncommon since I source every piece of information about the >> individuals) , then I am typing that data over and over again. >> Currently I enter the source information one time for each head of >> household, and one time for each roll of microfilm. I link them >> together as source and repository. If I find a typo in the microfilm >> information, I edit the repository and it fixes it for all two >> hundred sources. If I did it the way you suggest, then I'd have to >> edit 200 source templates. Then when I use the source, I don't use >> anything in the source details field except if I need notes specific >> to that one piece of data. >> >> I understand what you are both saying. What I want to do won't work, >> so I need another solution that will work. >> >> What I am asking is can the "Source comments" and "source text" fields be >> added to source templates and then printed? Some of my microfilm rolls >> have quite long names, and I do not think the location field would work. >> Obviously, I need for the information to print as part of a source >> citation. >> >> >> >> Here's an example of how one of my repositories prints currently: >> Rutherford County, TN, Direct and Indirect Indexes to Trust Deeds >> S-A-D 1955-1958, S-E-L 1955-1962, S-M-R 1955-1961, S-S-Z 1955-1962, >> Roll 006, Tennessee State Library and Archives, Nashville, TN >> >> So you can see why I would not want to have to retype that every time >> I found a deed on that roll of microfilm. :) During that time >> period, I had at least 7 living ancestors living in the county. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Suzanne >> Brayer >> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:02 PM >> To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [RMagic] Repository questions >> >> I agree that I don't like to retype source information, which is why >> I like the templates that Rootsmagic has incorporated. They make it >> easy to source the facts following the guidelines of Evidence >> Explained by Eliz Shown Mills and endorsed by the Board for >> Certification. This is where you enter the information about the >> source; the film number, the book, the deed,etc. >> As I understand what you said you want to link the microfilm to the source. >> That is the purpose of the source list. If, as you say, you have two >> hundred census records from one film you would need to cite the >> census as the source and the film number as the location of the >> source. The repository would be the location of the film - the >> library, court house, wherever you viewed it. >> >> . >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> =================================== >> RM list Archives: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS >> WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: >> http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bruce reads the messages on this list, so you don't really need to post the same thing to another forum. Drew Smith RootsMagic-Users List Administrator On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Teresa Elliott <cheasa@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Thanks Ron, > I thought about their FB page as well. I try to limit questions to one forum > at a time, unless no one knows because it is frustrating to answer the same > question over and over again. > > -----Original Message----- > From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ronald Bernier > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 7:36 AM > To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [RMagic] Repository questions > > Hi Teresa, > > Unfortunately, I can't answer your question, but it might bw worthwhile to > post your question on the RootsMagic forum. You might also try sending your > question directly to support. If it isn't currently possible to do what you > want to do, Bruce may hava a thought regarding a workaround and/or it may be > a feature that he would be able to add to a future update.

So the source text and comments do not print as part of a citation, but do print in Master Source lists. So that rules their use out. Looks like the only option would be to add them back to the source template as a text file. Depends on how much text I can put in each field as to how I want to handle that. Thanks for the help.

If the main objective is to avoid retyping things, I'm surprised no one has suggested one of the hundreds of clip/cut/paste utilities that are available, many for free. They enable users to copy data and paste it as many times as needed, without typos and without "redefining" what a repository is. On 12/20/12 7:25 AM, Teresa Elliott wrote: > Lynn, > No, that is the way roots magic treats repositories, as only the physical building, then your thinking is not wrong, but by making the microfilm or deed book your master source, you are still retyping a large amount of data, which allows typos to creep in, into the source details fields. I am asking for a way to avoid that. > I find it ironic that everyone is trying to tell me what a repository is, but not one single person has answered the question, do the "source comments" and "source text" output if added to a source output template? > You also missed my original point which is I can currently attach a task to a repository. So having the film as a repository makes sense. Not the building that holds thousands of films. > I understand that rootsmagic prints the master source,and the source details, but not the repository. So I am trying to find a printable spot to put my current repositories, that do print in my current program. Ideally, i'd like to enter that data only once, but I realize that isn't going to happen. > Teresa Elliott > > On Dec 20, 2012, at 12:19 AM, LB <lingbro@family-quest.com> wrote: > >> I think I may be missing something. Perhaps the definition of what is a >> repository. I think Teresa is saying the microfilm is her repository. >> >> I may be misinformed, but isn't the Repository the location of where the >> original source is located or archived at? In this case, where your >> microfilm can be found (ie; FHL). Once I found the repository (where the >> microfilm is located), I could then look for the microfilm, (the master >> source) which would then take me to Item being referenced within the >> microfilm (the will or deed). In otherwords, the Source Details (the >> citation), would direct me to where within the microfilm, the actual >> source information was taken from (the will or deed being referenced) >> and any other necessary information that was provided. >> >> Then the Master Source (the microfilm info) can be memorized and reused >> for the next entry, and the next item would get a new citation (the next >> will or deed) can be entered into the source details. >> >> I've never seen a repository list printed in a genealogy report or >> pedigree, unless it was added as an addendum or supplement to the >> report. But I have seen many biographies (sources plus citations) that >> have provided information of the microfilm or book referenced and from >> where the information within the source was taken and any other related >> information such as the item reference ID, etc, when applicable, so I >> could find the information within source easily. >> >> Lynn >> >> On 12/19/2012 6:11 PM, Teresa Elliott wrote: >>> Tom, I understand that, however, that is not the way that I work. I >>> prefer the will or deed (or head of household) to be the source. > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Ron, I thought about their FB page as well. I try to limit questions to one forum at a time, unless no one knows because it is frustrating to answer the same question over and over again. -----Original Message----- From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ronald Bernier Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 7:36 AM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Repository questions Hi Teresa, Unfortunately, I can't answer your question, but it might bw worthwhile to post your question on the RootsMagic forum. You might also try sending your question directly to support. If it isn't currently possible to do what you want to do, Bruce may hava a thought regarding a workaround and/or it may be a feature that he would be able to add to a future update. Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI -----Original Message----- From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Elliott Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:28 AM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Repository questions Suzanne Because no one has answered the question, can they be added to a source output template. I can't believe I am the first person to ask if those fields can be output. Teresa Elliott On Dec 19, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Suzanne Brayer <sybrayer@gmail.com> wrote: > I understand your not wanting to reedit all those sources. Why not > play around with your idea that "Source comments" and "source text" > fields be added to source templates and then printed." Make a backup > of your database, create a new one under another name and "fiddle" > with it. Perhaps you can make it work within your parameters. > > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Teresa Elliott <cheasa@bellsouth.net>wrote: > >> Susanne, >> What you are suggesting though is that for my 200 census sources, I >> retype the information about the microfilm into each source template >> in the location of the source. What I am saying is I want to enter >> that one time, and then link to it in each source type. What Tom is >> suggesting is I make the microfilm the source and then put the >> information about the household into the source details. But if I do >> that and cite that same household enumeration 40 times (which is not >> uncommon since I source every piece of information about the >> individuals) , then I am typing that data over and over again. >> Currently I enter the source information one time for each head of >> household, and one time for each roll of microfilm. I link them >> together as source and repository. If I find a typo in the microfilm >> information, I edit the repository and it fixes it for all two >> hundred sources. If I did it the way you suggest, then I'd have to >> edit 200 source templates. Then when I use the source, I don't use >> anything in the source details field except if I need notes specific >> to that one piece of data. >> >> I understand what you are both saying. What I want to do won't work, >> so I need another solution that will work. >> >> What I am asking is can the "Source comments" and "source text" fields be >> added to source templates and then printed? Some of my microfilm rolls >> have quite long names, and I do not think the location field would work. >> Obviously, I need for the information to print as part of a source >> citation. >> >> >> >> Here's an example of how one of my repositories prints currently: >> Rutherford County, TN, Direct and Indirect Indexes to Trust Deeds >> S-A-D 1955-1958, S-E-L 1955-1962, S-M-R 1955-1961, S-S-Z 1955-1962, >> Roll 006, Tennessee State Library and Archives, Nashville, TN >> >> So you can see why I would not want to have to retype that every time >> I found a deed on that roll of microfilm. :) During that time >> period, I had at least 7 living ancestors living in the county. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Suzanne >> Brayer >> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:02 PM >> To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [RMagic] Repository questions >> >> I agree that I don't like to retype source information, which is why >> I like the templates that Rootsmagic has incorporated. They make it >> easy to source the facts following the guidelines of Evidence >> Explained by Eliz Shown Mills and endorsed by the Board for >> Certification. This is where you enter the information about the >> source; the film number, the book, the deed,etc. >> As I understand what you said you want to link the microfilm to the source. >> That is the purpose of the source list. If, as you say, you have two >> hundred census records from one film you would need to cite the >> census as the source and the film number as the location of the >> source. The repository would be the location of the film - the >> library, court house, wherever you viewed it. >> >> . >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> =================================== >> RM list Archives: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS >> WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: >> http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Suzanne Because no one has answered the question, can they be added to a source output template. I can't believe I am the first person to ask if those fields can be output. Teresa Elliott On Dec 19, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Suzanne Brayer <sybrayer@gmail.com> wrote: > I understand your not wanting to reedit all those sources. Why not play > around with your idea that "Source comments" and "source text" fields be added > to source templates and then printed." Make a backup of your database, > create a new one under another name and "fiddle" with it. Perhaps you can > make it work within your parameters. > > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Teresa Elliott <cheasa@bellsouth.net>wrote: > >> Susanne, >> What you are suggesting though is that for my 200 census sources, I retype >> the information about the microfilm into each source template in the >> location of the source. What I am saying is I want to enter that one time, >> and then link to it in each source type. What Tom is suggesting is I make >> the microfilm the source and then put the information about the household >> into the source details. But if I do that and cite that same household >> enumeration 40 times (which is not uncommon since I source every piece of >> information about the individuals) , then I am typing that data over and >> over again. Currently I enter the source information one time for each head >> of household, and one time for each roll of microfilm. I link them together >> as source and repository. If I find a typo in the microfilm information, I >> edit the repository and it fixes it for all two hundred sources. If I did >> it >> the way you suggest, then I'd have to edit 200 source templates. Then >> when >> I use the source, I don't use anything in the source details field except >> if >> I need notes specific to that one piece of data. >> >> I understand what you are both saying. What I want to do won't work, so I >> need another solution that will work. >> >> What I am asking is can the "Source comments" and "source text" fields be >> added to source templates and then printed? Some of my microfilm rolls >> have quite long names, and I do not think the location field would work. >> Obviously, I need for the information to print as part of a source >> citation. >> >> >> >> Here's an example of how one of my repositories prints currently: >> Rutherford County, TN, Direct and Indirect Indexes to Trust Deeds S-A-D >> 1955-1958, S-E-L 1955-1962, S-M-R 1955-1961, S-S-Z 1955-1962, Roll 006, >> Tennessee State Library and Archives, Nashville, TN >> >> So you can see why I would not want to have to retype that every time I >> found a deed on that roll of microfilm. :) During that time period, I had >> at least 7 living ancestors living in the county. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Suzanne Brayer >> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:02 PM >> To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [RMagic] Repository questions >> >> I agree that I don't like to retype source information, which is why I like >> the templates that Rootsmagic has incorporated. They make it easy to source >> the facts following the guidelines of Evidence Explained by Eliz Shown >> Mills >> and endorsed by the Board for Certification. This is where you enter the >> information about the source; the film number, the book, the deed,etc. >> As I understand what you said you want to link the microfilm to the source. >> That is the purpose of the source list. If, as you say, you have two >> hundred >> census records from one film you would need to cite the census as the >> source >> and the film number as the location of the source. The repository would be >> the location of the film - the library, court house, wherever you viewed >> it. >> >> . >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> =================================== >> RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS >> WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: >> http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lynn, No, that is the way roots magic treats repositories, as only the physical building, then your thinking is not wrong, but by making the microfilm or deed book your master source, you are still retyping a large amount of data, which allows typos to creep in, into the source details fields. I am asking for a way to avoid that. I find it ironic that everyone is trying to tell me what a repository is, but not one single person has answered the question, do the "source comments" and "source text" output if added to a source output template? You also missed my original point which is I can currently attach a task to a repository. So having the film as a repository makes sense. Not the building that holds thousands of films. I understand that rootsmagic prints the master source,and the source details, but not the repository. So I am trying to find a printable spot to put my current repositories, that do print in my current program. Ideally, i'd like to enter that data only once, but I realize that isn't going to happen. Teresa Elliott On Dec 20, 2012, at 12:19 AM, LB <lingbro@family-quest.com> wrote: > I think I may be missing something. Perhaps the definition of what is a > repository. I think Teresa is saying the microfilm is her repository. > > I may be misinformed, but isn't the Repository the location of where the > original source is located or archived at? In this case, where your > microfilm can be found (ie; FHL). Once I found the repository (where the > microfilm is located), I could then look for the microfilm, (the master > source) which would then take me to Item being referenced within the > microfilm (the will or deed). In otherwords, the Source Details (the > citation), would direct me to where within the microfilm, the actual > source information was taken from (the will or deed being referenced) > and any other necessary information that was provided. > > Then the Master Source (the microfilm info) can be memorized and reused > for the next entry, and the next item would get a new citation (the next > will or deed) can be entered into the source details. > > I've never seen a repository list printed in a genealogy report or > pedigree, unless it was added as an addendum or supplement to the > report. But I have seen many biographies (sources plus citations) that > have provided information of the microfilm or book referenced and from > where the information within the source was taken and any other related > information such as the item reference ID, etc, when applicable, so I > could find the information within source easily. > > Lynn > > On 12/19/2012 6:11 PM, Teresa Elliott wrote: >> Tom, I understand that, however, that is not the way that I work. I >> prefer the will or deed (or head of household) to be the source.

Susanne, What you are suggesting though is that for my 200 census sources, I retype the information about the microfilm into each source template in the location of the source. What I am saying is I want to enter that one time, and then link to it in each source type. What Tom is suggesting is I make the microfilm the source and then put the information about the household into the source details. But if I do that and cite that same household enumeration 40 times (which is not uncommon since I source every piece of information about the individuals) , then I am typing that data over and over again. Currently I enter the source information one time for each head of household, and one time for each roll of microfilm. I link them together as source and repository. If I find a typo in the microfilm information, I edit the repository and it fixes it for all two hundred sources. If I did it the way you suggest, then I'd have to edit 200 source templates. Then when I use the source, I don't use anything in the source details field except if I need notes specific to that one piece of data. I understand what you are both saying. What I want to do won't work, so I need another solution that will work. What I am asking is can the "Source comments" and "source text" fields be added to source templates and then printed? Some of my microfilm rolls have quite long names, and I do not think the location field would work. Obviously, I need for the information to print as part of a source citation. Here's an example of how one of my repositories prints currently: Rutherford County, TN, Direct and Indirect Indexes to Trust Deeds S-A-D 1955-1958, S-E-L 1955-1962, S-M-R 1955-1961, S-S-Z 1955-1962, Roll 006, Tennessee State Library and Archives, Nashville, TN So you can see why I would not want to have to retype that every time I found a deed on that roll of microfilm. :) During that time period, I had at least 7 living ancestors living in the county. -----Original Message----- From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Suzanne Brayer Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:02 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Repository questions I agree that I don't like to retype source information, which is why I like the templates that Rootsmagic has incorporated. They make it easy to source the facts following the guidelines of Evidence Explained by Eliz Shown Mills and endorsed by the Board for Certification. This is where you enter the information about the source; the film number, the book, the deed,etc. As I understand what you said you want to link the microfilm to the source. That is the purpose of the source list. If, as you say, you have two hundred census records from one film you would need to cite the census as the source and the film number as the location of the source. The repository would be the location of the film - the library, court house, wherever you viewed it. .

AFAIK, no data from the Repository Address fields come out in a citation footnote or bibliography. There are some Source Templates that have their own repository fields but they do not connect to Repository Address fields. Excuse my terminology but I mean the fields under the Repository tab which are stored internally in the AddressTable. So the best place to put the info about the microfilm is in the Master Sources you create from it, if you want that info in a footnote or Bibliography. Tom On 2012-12-19, at 9:11 PM, "Teresa Elliott" <cheasa@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Tom, > I understand that, however, that is not the way that I work. I prefer the > will or deed (or head of household) to be the source. To me, the microfilm > (or will book) is not the source, the deed or will is. I was hoping someone > could offer a suggestion for a way to do something similar in Rootsmagic. > Entering the deed book information over and over again is redundant. > Computers are supposed to do the work for us. And making the deed book the > source doesn't work for me either. Currently I have 3500 sources that would > need to be edited. If I changed to what you are suggesting, they'd not only > have to be edited, but merged with other sources and the cleanup would be a > nightmare. > > -----Original Message----- > From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tom Holden > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 7:57 PM > To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [RMagic] Repository questions > > If you make the microfilm the Master Source, then you enter it's details and > the repository just the once for all 200 citations of it. > > Tom > > On 2012-12-19, at 8:36 PM, Teresa Elliott <cheasa@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> You missed my point, i use more than one will or deed off the film and > don't want to have to retype that information five or six times. Added to > that I can add to do tasks to the repository, so I can add it to the films > not the physical building. I may have two hundred census sources off one > roll of microfilm. >> >> Teresa Elliott >> >> On Dec 19, 2012, at 7:05 PM, Alfred <adeller@santel.net> wrote: >> >>> In my opinion the micro film is the source and the building or office >>> where it is found is the repository. >>> >>> Alfred >>> =============== >>> >>> Teresa Elliott wrote: >>>> In my old software, I used the repository for microfilm information, >>>> because I only had to type in the information for a roll one time. >>>> But obviously the predefined fields in Rootsmagic aren't large >>>> enough to hold this information. I'd love a field where I could link >>>> a microfilm roll to a source and have that print with the source, so >>>> I only had to enter this information one time, since I tend to use >>>> the same microfilm over and over for different sources. This also >>>> allowed me to attach research tasks to the roll of microfilm. >>>> >>>> So here's my questions: >>>> >>>> Does the repository information print as part of the source output. >>>> My GEDCOM put all the sources into a free form source template, and >>>> I can't figure out how to edit those to another source type, other >>>> than creating a new source and then merging the sources. >>>> >>>> If the repository information does print, does the repository note >>>> print as part of the source output? I can continue to do what I am >>>> doing now, if I just move the microfilm information into the note >>>> section of the repository, if that prints. I am thinking I could >>>> just move my current text to the repository note field and then just >>>> have [repository note] print where the repository text should be. >>>> Note: I only use footnotes, never Bibliography so this would work for me > if the repository note prints. >>>> >>>> >>>> Where is the best place to enter the information about the microfilm > roll? >>>> Preferably so that I don't have to type it over and over again. My >>>> family is all from the same small area, so it's not unusual for me >>>> to find 5 or more ancestors in the same will book or deed book. >>> >>> >>> =================================== >>> RM list Archives: >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS >>> WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: >>> http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> =================================== >> RM list Archives: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS >> WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: >> http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When weird things happen, make a backup and then go to Files > Database Tools and use them in this sequence: Integrity (not ok?) -> Reindex -> repeat (Ok?)-> Clean -> Compact -> Integrity (better be ok!) Then try what you were having the error with again. No guarantees! Tom On 2012-12-19, at 9:14 PM, Patricia Rowbotham <rr_farm@centurytel.net> wrote: > The same thing is happening with the hourglass report. Shall I just > give up on these Christmas gifts?? > pat > > On 12/19/2012 8:06 PM, Patricia Rowbotham wrote: >> Is anyone else having trouble printing a timeline? After I make all my >> options, it appears to be proceeding and then the "Rootsmagic has >> encountered an error..." pops up. I've tried several different >> combinations of options and all do the same. >> I'm using Win7, 4 GB RAM and RM 6.0.0.3 >> Thanks for any suggestions, >> Pat from balmy 65 degree Arkansas (except we are expecting snow flurries >> in the morning -- go figure!) >> >> >> >> =================================== >> RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS >> WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5970 - Release Date: 12/19/12 > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think I may be missing something. Perhaps the definition of what is a repository. I think Teresa is saying the microfilm is her repository. I may be misinformed, but isn't the Repository the location of where the original source is located or archived at? In this case, where your microfilm can be found (ie; FHL). Once I found the repository (where the microfilm is located), I could then look for the microfilm, (the master source) which would then take me to Item being referenced within the microfilm (the will or deed). In otherwords, the Source Details (the citation), would direct me to where within the microfilm, the actual source information was taken from (the will or deed being referenced) and any other necessary information that was provided. Then the Master Source (the microfilm info) can be memorized and reused for the next entry, and the next item would get a new citation (the next will or deed) can be entered into the source details. I've never seen a repository list printed in a genealogy report or pedigree, unless it was added as an addendum or supplement to the report. But I have seen many biographies (sources plus citations) that have provided information of the microfilm or book referenced and from where the information within the source was taken and any other related information such as the item reference ID, etc, when applicable, so I could find the information within source easily. Lynn On 12/19/2012 6:11 PM, Teresa Elliott wrote: > Tom, I understand that, however, that is not the way that I work. I > prefer the will or deed (or head of household) to be the source. To > me, the microfilm (or will book) is not the source, the deed or will > is. I was hoping someone could offer a suggestion for a way to do > something similar in Rootsmagic. Entering the deed book information > over and over again is redundant. Computers are supposed to do the > work for us. And making the deed book the source doesn't work for me > either. Currently I have 3500 sources that would need to be edited. > If I changed to what you are suggesting, they'd not only have to be > edited, but merged with other sources and the cleanup would be a > nightmare. > > -----Original Message----- From: > rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tom > Holden Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 7:57 PM To: > rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Repository > questions > > If you make the microfilm the Master Source, then you enter it's > details and the repository just the once for all 200 citations of > it. > > Tom > > On 2012-12-19, at 8:36 PM, Teresa Elliott <cheasa@bellsouth.net> > wrote: > >> You missed my point, i use more than one will or deed off the film >> and > don't want to have to retype that information five or six times. > Added to that I can add to do tasks to the repository, so I can add > it to the films not the physical building. I may have two hundred > census sources off one roll of microfilm. >> >> Teresa Elliott >> >> On Dec 19, 2012, at 7:05 PM, Alfred <adeller@santel.net> wrote: >> >>> In my opinion the micro film is the source and the building or >>> office where it is found is the repository. >>> >>> Alfred =============== >>> >>> Teresa Elliott wrote: >>>> In my old software, I used the repository for microfilm >>>> information, because I only had to type in the information for >>>> a roll one time. But obviously the predefined fields in >>>> Rootsmagic aren't large enough to hold this information. I'd >>>> love a field where I could link a microfilm roll to a source >>>> and have that print with the source, so I only had to enter >>>> this information one time, since I tend to use the same >>>> microfilm over and over for different sources. This also >>>> allowed me to attach research tasks to the roll of microfilm. >>>> >>>> So here's my questions: >>>> >>>> Does the repository information print as part of the source >>>> output. My GEDCOM put all the sources into a free form source >>>> template, and I can't figure out how to edit those to another >>>> source type, other than creating a new source and then merging >>>> the sources. >>>> >>>> If the repository information does print, does the repository >>>> note print as part of the source output? I can continue to do >>>> what I am doing now, if I just move the microfilm information >>>> into the note section of the repository, if that prints. I am >>>> thinking I could just move my current text to the repository >>>> note field and then just have [repository note] print where >>>> the repository text should be. Note: I only use footnotes, >>>> never Bibliography so this would work for me > if the repository note prints. >>>> >>>> >>>> Where is the best place to enter the information about the >>>> microfilm > roll? >>>> Preferably so that I don't have to type it over and over >>>> again. My family is all from the same small area, so it's not >>>> unusual for me to find 5 or more ancestors in the same will >>>> book or deed book. >>> >>> >>> =================================== RM list Archives: >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS >>> >>> >>> WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: >>> http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, >>> please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >>> and the body of the message >> >> >> >> =================================== RM list Archives: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS >> WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: >> http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ >> >> >> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, >> please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with >> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body of the message > > > > =================================== RM list Archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > =================================== RM list Archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >

I understand your not wanting to reedit all those sources. Why not play around with your idea that "Source comments" and "source text" fields be added to source templates and then printed." Make a backup of your database, create a new one under another name and "fiddle" with it. Perhaps you can make it work within your parameters. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Teresa Elliott <cheasa@bellsouth.net>wrote: > Susanne, > What you are suggesting though is that for my 200 census sources, I retype > the information about the microfilm into each source template in the > location of the source. What I am saying is I want to enter that one time, > and then link to it in each source type. What Tom is suggesting is I make > the microfilm the source and then put the information about the household > into the source details. But if I do that and cite that same household > enumeration 40 times (which is not uncommon since I source every piece of > information about the individuals) , then I am typing that data over and > over again. Currently I enter the source information one time for each head > of household, and one time for each roll of microfilm. I link them together > as source and repository. If I find a typo in the microfilm information, I > edit the repository and it fixes it for all two hundred sources. If I did > it > the way you suggest, then I'd have to edit 200 source templates. Then > when > I use the source, I don't use anything in the source details field except > if > I need notes specific to that one piece of data. > > I understand what you are both saying. What I want to do won't work, so I > need another solution that will work. > > What I am asking is can the "Source comments" and "source text" fields be > added to source templates and then printed? Some of my microfilm rolls > have quite long names, and I do not think the location field would work. > Obviously, I need for the information to print as part of a source > citation. > > > > Here's an example of how one of my repositories prints currently: > Rutherford County, TN, Direct and Indirect Indexes to Trust Deeds S-A-D > 1955-1958, S-E-L 1955-1962, S-M-R 1955-1961, S-S-Z 1955-1962, Roll 006, > Tennessee State Library and Archives, Nashville, TN > > So you can see why I would not want to have to retype that every time I > found a deed on that roll of microfilm. :) During that time period, I had > at least 7 living ancestors living in the county. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Suzanne Brayer > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:02 PM > To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [RMagic] Repository questions > > I agree that I don't like to retype source information, which is why I like > the templates that Rootsmagic has incorporated. They make it easy to source > the facts following the guidelines of Evidence Explained by Eliz Shown > Mills > and endorsed by the Board for Certification. This is where you enter the > information about the source; the film number, the book, the deed,etc. > As I understand what you said you want to link the microfilm to the source. > That is the purpose of the source list. If, as you say, you have two > hundred > census records from one film you would need to cite the census as the > source > and the film number as the location of the source. The repository would be > the location of the film - the library, court house, wherever you viewed > it. > > . > > > > > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Tom, that was what I needed to know. That's very different than what I am doing currently. If they don't print at all, then putting the information into the notes field isn't going to help me any except in the program. Do the "source text" or "source comments" (under the Master Text tab) print as part of the source output? While it would be a pain to have to edit all the sources to move the repository information, that appears to be the best place to put it, if I can append that field to the text. Then I could copy the Master Source, and then edit the information that is unique for each source. -----Original Message----- From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tom Holden Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:41 PM To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RMagic] Repository questions AFAIK, no data from the Repository Address fields come out in a citation footnote or bibliography. There are some Source Templates that have their own repository fields but they do not connect to Repository Address fields. Excuse my terminology but I mean the fields under the Repository tab which are stored internally in the AddressTable. So the best place to put the info about the microfilm is in the Master Sources you create from it, if you want that info in a footnote or Bibliography. Tom On 2012-12-19, at 9:11 PM, "Teresa Elliott" <cheasa@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Tom, > I understand that, however, that is not the way that I work. I prefer > the will or deed (or head of household) to be the source. To me, the > microfilm (or will book) is not the source, the deed or will is. I > was hoping someone could offer a suggestion for a way to do something similar in Rootsmagic. > Entering the deed book information over and over again is redundant. > Computers are supposed to do the work for us. And making the deed book > the source doesn't work for me either. Currently I have 3500 sources > that would need to be edited. If I changed to what you are suggesting, > they'd not only have to be edited, but merged with other sources and > the cleanup would be a nightmare. > > -----Original Message----- > From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tom Holden > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 7:57 PM > To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [RMagic] Repository questions > > If you make the microfilm the Master Source, then you enter it's > details and the repository just the once for all 200 citations of it. > > Tom > > On 2012-12-19, at 8:36 PM, Teresa Elliott <cheasa@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> You missed my point, i use more than one will or deed off the film >> and > don't want to have to retype that information five or six times. Added > to that I can add to do tasks to the repository, so I can add it to > the films not the physical building. I may have two hundred census > sources off one roll of microfilm. >> >> Teresa Elliott >> >> On Dec 19, 2012, at 7:05 PM, Alfred <adeller@santel.net> wrote: >> >>> In my opinion the micro film is the source and the building or >>> office where it is found is the repository. >>> >>> Alfred >>> =============== >>> >>> Teresa Elliott wrote: >>>> In my old software, I used the repository for microfilm >>>> information, because I only had to type in the information for a roll one time. >>>> But obviously the predefined fields in Rootsmagic aren't large >>>> enough to hold this information. I'd love a field where I could >>>> link a microfilm roll to a source and have that print with the >>>> source, so I only had to enter this information one time, since I >>>> tend to use the same microfilm over and over for different sources. >>>> This also allowed me to attach research tasks to the roll of microfilm. >>>> >>>> So here's my questions: >>>> >>>> Does the repository information print as part of the source output. >>>> My GEDCOM put all the sources into a free form source template, and >>>> I can't figure out how to edit those to another source type, other >>>> than creating a new source and then merging the sources. >>>> >>>> If the repository information does print, does the repository note >>>> print as part of the source output? I can continue to do what I am >>>> doing now, if I just move the microfilm information into the note >>>> section of the repository, if that prints. I am thinking I could >>>> just move my current text to the repository note field and then >>>> just have [repository note] print where the repository text should be. >>>> Note: I only use footnotes, never Bibliography so this would work >>>> for me > if the repository note prints. >>>> >>>> >>>> Where is the best place to enter the information about the >>>> microfilm > roll? >>>> Preferably so that I don't have to type it over and over again. My >>>> family is all from the same small area, so it's not unusual for me >>>> to find 5 or more ancestors in the same will book or deed book. >>> >>> >>> =================================== >>> RM list Archives: >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS >>> WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: >>> http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> =================================== >> RM list Archives: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS >> WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: >> http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree that I don't like to retype source information, which is why I like the templates that Rootsmagic has incorporated. They make it easy to source the facts following the guidelines of Evidence Explained by Eliz Shown Mills and endorsed by the Board for Certification. This is where you enter the information about the source; the film number, the book, the deed,etc. As I understand what you said you want to link the microfilm to the source. That is the purpose of the source list. If, as you say, you have two hundred census records from one film you would need to cite the census as the source and the film number as the location of the source. The repository would be the location of the film - the library, court house, wherever you viewed it. . On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Teresa Elliott <cheasa@bellsouth.net>wrote: > Tom, > I understand that, however, that is not the way that I work. I prefer the > will or deed (or head of household) to be the source. To me, the microfilm > (or will book) is not the source, the deed or will is. I was hoping > someone > could offer a suggestion for a way to do something similar in Rootsmagic. > Entering the deed book information over and over again is redundant. > Computers are supposed to do the work for us. And making the deed book the > source doesn't work for me either. Currently I have 3500 sources that > would > need to be edited. If I changed to what you are suggesting, they'd not only > have to be edited, but merged with other sources and the cleanup would be a > nightmare. > > -----Original Message----- > From: rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:rootsmagic-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tom Holden > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 7:57 PM > To: rootsmagic-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [RMagic] Repository questions > > If you make the microfilm the Master Source, then you enter it's details > and > the repository just the once for all 200 citations of it. > > Tom > > On 2012-12-19, at 8:36 PM, Teresa Elliott <cheasa@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > You missed my point, i use more than one will or deed off the film and > don't want to have to retype that information five or six times. Added to > that I can add to do tasks to the repository, so I can add it to the films > not the physical building. I may have two hundred census sources off one > roll of microfilm. > > > > Teresa Elliott > > > > On Dec 19, 2012, at 7:05 PM, Alfred <adeller@santel.net> wrote: > > > >> In my opinion the micro film is the source and the building or office > >> where it is found is the repository. > >> > >> Alfred > >> =============== > >> > >> Teresa Elliott wrote: > >>> In my old software, I used the repository for microfilm information, > >>> because I only had to type in the information for a roll one time. > >>> But obviously the predefined fields in Rootsmagic aren't large > >>> enough to hold this information. I'd love a field where I could link > >>> a microfilm roll to a source and have that print with the source, so > >>> I only had to enter this information one time, since I tend to use > >>> the same microfilm over and over for different sources. This also > >>> allowed me to attach research tasks to the roll of microfilm. > >>> > >>> So here's my questions: > >>> > >>> Does the repository information print as part of the source output. > >>> My GEDCOM put all the sources into a free form source template, and > >>> I can't figure out how to edit those to another source type, other > >>> than creating a new source and then merging the sources. > >>> > >>> If the repository information does print, does the repository note > >>> print as part of the source output? I can continue to do what I am > >>> doing now, if I just move the microfilm information into the note > >>> section of the repository, if that prints. I am thinking I could > >>> just move my current text to the repository note field and then just > >>> have [repository note] print where the repository text should be. > >>> Note: I only use footnotes, never Bibliography so this would work for > me > if the repository note prints. > >>> > >>> > >>> Where is the best place to enter the information about the microfilm > roll? > >>> Preferably so that I don't have to type it over and over again. My > >>> family is all from the same small area, so it's not unusual for me > >>> to find 5 or more ancestors in the same will book or deed book. > >> > >> > >> =================================== > >> RM list Archives: > >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > >> WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > >> http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > =================================== > > RM list Archives: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >