No idea if knowing what I was doing might help – just submitted this to tech support as I don’t dare continue with anything! Last night I had no problem creating reports for each source in the source list to show people, families or fact types that were using a given source; even printed a few out. TODAY no matter what source I select the report is blank except for the heading !!!! I have spent HOURS creating new sources with the correct formats and merging the new one with an old one because my old ones transferred in free-form..... I was certainly ASSUMING my connections would be there, no reason not to, and then I could clean up each relationship separately! Sources have never been my strong point so this attempt to do them ‘correctly’ is off to a very bad start! (Yes, those of you who know me are laughing!!) Anyway, TODAY no lists to work from !!!! Pat From: Tom Holden [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 3:23 PM To: Pat McGrath; [email protected] Subject: Re: [RMagic] Sources - deleting a source Sounds distressing. Have you tried to see if File > Database Tools run from top to bottom makes any difference. If not, you will likely have to restore from a backup and redo some work. The questions remain: what happened and will it happen again? Tom On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Pat McGrath via <[email protected]> wrote: Well, it appears that NONE of my sources are now showing the people, families or facts that are using that source! They were last evening as I have a FEW of the printed reports sitting beside me!!!! HELP Pat -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pat McGrath via Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 2:06 PM To: 'RootsMagic Users List ' Subject: [RMagic] Sources - deleting a source Hi: Working on cleaning up some of my sources .. I seem to have several, all of a sudden, that don't show them being used anywhere by anyone when I do a print/generate report. However, when I try to delete the source I get the message that there ARE people, families or facts using it . do I really want to delete it???? Is this a bug or am I safe deleting the source???? Pat =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It won't hurt to leave it alone - it'll be there when you have something using it. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Pat McGrath via Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 1:06 PM To: 'RootsMagic Users List ' Subject: [RMagic] Sources - deleting a source Hi: Working on cleaning up some of my sources .. I seem to have several, all of a sudden, that don't show them being used anywhere by anyone when I do a print/generate report. However, when I try to delete the source I get the message that there ARE people, families or facts using it . do I really want to delete it???? Is this a bug or am I safe deleting the source???? Pat =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

OK, this is getting more weird! All my other 'lists' appear to be working perfectly or appear to be! But the first time I viewed the Repository List there was both an auto merge and a merge button. Merged one while I was there and now I no longer HAVE a merge button showing, ONLY an auto merge!!! Created a gedcom as I remember a webinar that said if you could create a gedcom file the database was not corrupted, have done all the database tool things with no error messages --- have no idea what to do next. Doing a restore to last night's backup will make me lose all I've done this morning so holding off on that for some input from folks!!!!! If it's just a bug and will be fixed I don't want to lose all my work !!!! Sources are NOT my favorite thing and I've done a lot of work!!!!! Pat -----Original Message----- From: Pat McGrath [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 2:27 PM To: 'Pat McGrath'; [email protected] Subject: RE: [RMagic] Sources - deleting a source Well, it appears that NONE of my sources are now showing the people, families or facts that are using that source! They were last evening as I have a FEW of the printed reports sitting beside me!!!! HELP Pat -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pat McGrath via Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 2:06 PM To: 'RootsMagic Users List ' Subject: [RMagic] Sources - deleting a source Hi: Working on cleaning up some of my sources .. I seem to have several, all of a sudden, that don't show them being used anywhere by anyone when I do a print/generate report. However, when I try to delete the source I get the message that there ARE people, families or facts using it . do I really want to delete it???? Is this a bug or am I safe deleting the source???? Pat =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sounds distressing. Have you tried to see if File > Database Tools run from top to bottom makes any difference. If not, you will likely have to restore from a backup and redo some work. The questions remain: what happened and will it happen again? Tom On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Pat McGrath via < [email protected]> wrote: > Well, it appears that NONE of my sources are now showing the people, > families or facts that are using that source! They were last evening as I > have a FEW of the printed reports sitting beside me!!!! > > HELP > Pat > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pat McGrath > via > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 2:06 PM > To: 'RootsMagic Users List ' > Subject: [RMagic] Sources - deleting a source > > Hi: > > Working on cleaning up some of my sources .. I seem to have several, all of > a sudden, that don't show them being used anywhere by anyone when I do a > print/generate report. However, when I try to delete the source I get the > message that there ARE people, families or facts using it . do I really > want > to delete it???? > > > > Is this a bug or am I safe deleting the source???? > > Pat > > > > > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Well, it appears that NONE of my sources are now showing the people, families or facts that are using that source! They were last evening as I have a FEW of the printed reports sitting beside me!!!! HELP Pat -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pat McGrath via Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 2:06 PM To: 'RootsMagic Users List ' Subject: [RMagic] Sources - deleting a source Hi: Working on cleaning up some of my sources .. I seem to have several, all of a sudden, that don't show them being used anywhere by anyone when I do a print/generate report. However, when I try to delete the source I get the message that there ARE people, families or facts using it . do I really want to delete it???? Is this a bug or am I safe deleting the source???? Pat =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi: Working on cleaning up some of my sources .. I seem to have several, all of a sudden, that don't show them being used anywhere by anyone when I do a print/generate report. However, when I try to delete the source I get the message that there ARE people, families or facts using it . do I really want to delete it???? Is this a bug or am I safe deleting the source???? Pat

Tim, Yes, something changed with the FamilySearch API in the last 24-48 hours. We have contacted FamilySearch about this but haven't heard back from them yet. - Bruce On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Timothy Green via < [email protected]> wrote: > I first became aware of this issue 24 hours ago. I have been having > trouble getting information from FamilySearch while using RootsMagic 6 > or RootsMagic 7. I checked for Updates (Help >>> Check For Updates) > and both RM6 and RM7 are reporting that I have the most up-to-date > version. I am using Windows 7 Professional 64-bit with all updates > installed. > The problem is that when I try to use FamilySearch from the program > all of the tabs work except that the Ordinances tab does not provide > any information. I frequently get the spinning circle to show that the > program is working on something, but I also sometimes get a message > that "To get the official ordinance status first click the 'Find > matches' tab to find this person's match in FamilySearch." I hasten to > add that the Find matches tab does show a linked record, and the Share > data tab gives me all the data to be able to compare the record with > mine. Discussions, Sources and Notes are also working fine. I have > also had my wife and my son check this on their own versions of the > software and they are getting the exact same behavior. My wife is > using Windows 8.1 (not sure the version) and my son is on Windows 7 > Home Premium. > I have tried going directly to FamilySearch and the information I need > need is shown there, so the conclusion is that either something is > broken in RootsMagic, or FamilySearch has changed the way RootsMagic > is allowed to interact with it. > This is inconvenient, to say the least. > Tim Green > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Did you loogin under your LDS number? Otherwise it will only show the nonmember info. On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Timothy Green via < [email protected]> wrote: > I first became aware of this issue 24 hours ago. I have been having > trouble getting information from FamilySearch while using RootsMagic 6 > or RootsMagic 7. I checked for Updates (Help >>> Check For Updates) > and both RM6 and RM7 are reporting that I have the most up-to-date > version. I am using Windows 7 Professional 64-bit with all updates > installed. > The problem is that when I try to use FamilySearch from the program > all of the tabs work except that the Ordinances tab does not provide > any information. I frequently get the spinning circle to show that the > program is working on something, but I also sometimes get a message > that "To get the official ordinance status first click the 'Find > matches' tab to find this person's match in FamilySearch." I hasten to > add that the Find matches tab does show a linked record, and the Share > data tab gives me all the data to be able to compare the record with > mine. Discussions, Sources and Notes are also working fine. I have > also had my wife and my son check this on their own versions of the > software and they are getting the exact same behavior. My wife is > using Windows 8.1 (not sure the version) and my son is on Windows 7 > Home Premium. > I have tried going directly to FamilySearch and the information I need > need is shown there, so the conclusion is that either something is > broken in RootsMagic, or FamilySearch has changed the way RootsMagic > is allowed to interact with it. > This is inconvenient, to say the least. > Tim Green > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: > http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- -- *Jon P Czarowitz*, NHC, GF, GGF, IGC Hempel Genealogist since 1986 Retired International Genealogist for http://www.clancunninghamintl.org RootsMagic 7 http://www.rootsmagic.com CUNNINGHAMS TOGETHER - CUNNINGHAMS WORLDWIDE!

I first became aware of this issue 24 hours ago. I have been having trouble getting information from FamilySearch while using RootsMagic 6 or RootsMagic 7. I checked for Updates (Help >>> Check For Updates) and both RM6 and RM7 are reporting that I have the most up-to-date version. I am using Windows 7 Professional 64-bit with all updates installed. The problem is that when I try to use FamilySearch from the program all of the tabs work except that the Ordinances tab does not provide any information. I frequently get the spinning circle to show that the program is working on something, but I also sometimes get a message that "To get the official ordinance status first click the 'Find matches' tab to find this person's match in FamilySearch." I hasten to add that the Find matches tab does show a linked record, and the Share data tab gives me all the data to be able to compare the record with mine. Discussions, Sources and Notes are also working fine. I have also had my wife and my son check this on their own versions of the software and they are getting the exact same behavior. My wife is using Windows 8.1 (not sure the version) and my son is on Windows 7 Home Premium. I have tried going directly to FamilySearch and the information I need need is shown there, so the conclusion is that either something is broken in RootsMagic, or FamilySearch has changed the way RootsMagic is allowed to interact with it. This is inconvenient, to say the least. Tim Green

There are TMG things for which RM has no equivalent (and vice versa) and there are TMG things that RM's direct import mistranslates. There are steps you can take in TMG to prepare your project for best possible import by RM. There are steps you can take in RM after the import to improve the results. Some of the latter are described on these pages: http://sqlitetoolsforrootsmagic.wikispaces.com/space/content?tag=TMG Tom > On Feb 6, 2015, at 3:39 PM, John and Lee Wood via <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am new to RM and am having trouble converting from TMG, especially > with fact type sentences. For example, in TMG the marriage tag hasthis > sentence: [RP:Groom] married [R:Bride] <[PARO]><[L]> <[D]>. <[M].>. > <[PARO]> is the parents of the spouse. [D] is the place detail. When I > do a direct import to RM from my TMG database the marriage sentence > appears as [Person] married [Spouse] <[PARO]> <[Date]> <[Place]>. > > In TMG the marriage sentence appears in reports as He married Margaret > Eleanor Spaulding, daughter of John Albert Spaulding and Orpha Livona > Jenks, in the Methodist Church, Poultney, Rutland, Vermont on 01 Mar > 1936. In RM the sentence appears as Roger Clinton Wood married Margaret > Eleanor Spaulding [PARO] on 1 Mar 1936 in Poultney, Rutland, Vermont. > The place detail (in the Methodist Church) is also lost in the transfer > > Am I doing something wrong, or is this a problem with RM? > > Thanks for any suggestions. > John Wood > > > > =================================== > RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS > WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am new to RM and am having trouble converting from TMG, especially with fact type sentences. For example, in TMG the marriage tag hasthis sentence: [RP:Groom] married [R:Bride] <[PARO]><[L]> <[D]>. <[M].>. <[PARO]> is the parents of the spouse. [D] is the place detail. When I do a direct import to RM from my TMG database the marriage sentence appears as [Person] married [Spouse] <[PARO]> <[Date]> <[Place]>. In TMG the marriage sentence appears in reports as He married Margaret Eleanor Spaulding, daughter of John Albert Spaulding and Orpha Livona Jenks, in the Methodist Church, Poultney, Rutland, Vermont on 01 Mar 1936. In RM the sentence appears as Roger Clinton Wood married Margaret Eleanor Spaulding [PARO] on 1 Mar 1936 in Poultney, Rutland, Vermont. The place detail (in the Methodist Church) is also lost in the transfer Am I doing something wrong, or is this a problem with RM? Thanks for any suggestions. John Wood

I think it does require a corresponding person in FSFT. RM's WebHints for FSFT are really already there on FSFT as Record Hints. They are not created when RM connects to FSFT in your behalf. The Record Hints appear to be created by some overnight or weekly or monthly batch process that runs on FSFT behind the scenes. You can see the Record Hints on FSFT without using RM at all and without using any genealogy software at all. You just go to the FTFT Web site and go to a person, and if there are any Record Hints for the person then the Record Hints are displayed. The linkage on FSFT is "existing person in FSFT community tree" <--> "Record Hint in FSFT". That's the only linkage there is for the Record Hint, so there has to be a corresponding person in FSFT. The linkage that RM creates appears to be "existing person in RM" <—> “existing person in FSFT community tree” so the link “existing person in RM" <—> "Record Hint in FSFT" that you really want to see has to be mediated by "existing person in FSFT community tree". I said that RM creates the link "existing person in RM" <—> “existing person in FSFT community tree”, and that’s sort of true. But I think the only thing that RM does is provide the person’s data in RM to FSFT and that FSFT does the matching to the FSFT community tree and then returns any associated Record Hints to RM. I’m saying all this in a fairly confident manner, but I have to admit that there is a little theorizing involved. But it’s hard to see any other way it could work given that the Record Hints are already there and that they are already linked to the FSFT community tree. Indeed, a Record Hint wouldn’t exit if there weren’t a person in the FSFT community tree to which it could be linked. Jerry -----Original Message----- From: Tom Holden Sent: Fri, February 06, 2015 1:07 PM To: Jerry Bryan ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [RMagic] Web hint question Does your RM tree person have to have a corresponding person in FSFT for the former to get a WebHint from the FS source records databases? I did not think so... Tom On Feb 6, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Jerry Bryan via <[email protected]> wrote: > The confusing aspect is that WebHints does involve a matching process. But > the matching process used by WebHints is totally separate from the matching > process where you declare a person in your database to be a match to a > person in the FamilySearch community tree. > > Jerry

Is the comment following Tom's message the answer to Tom's question OR did Jerry's statement create Tom's question????? Does your RM database person have to have a corresponding person in FSFT for the former to get a WebHint from the FS source records databases? Pat Mc -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Holden via Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 1:07 PM To: Jerry Bryan; [email protected] Subject: Re: [RMagic] Web hint question Does your RM tree person have to have a corresponding person in FSFT for the former to get a WebHint from the FS source records databases? I did not think so... Tom On Feb 6, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Jerry Bryan via <[email protected]> wrote: > The confusing aspect is that WebHints does involve a matching process. > But the matching process used by WebHints is totally separate from the > matching process where you declare a person in your database to be a > match to a person in the FamilySearch community tree. > > Jerry =================================== RM list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=ROOTSMAGIC-USERS WISH LIST: http://www.rootsmagic.com/forums/ BLOG: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does your RM tree person have to have a corresponding person in FSFT for the former to get a WebHint from the FS source records databases? I did not think so... Tom On Feb 6, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Jerry Bryan via <[email protected]> wrote: > The confusing aspect is that WebHints does involve a matching process. But > the matching process used by WebHints is totally separate from the matching > process where you declare a person in your database to be a match to a > person in the FamilySearch community tree. > > Jerry

> There is no reason to be afraid of "matching" a person in your database > with a person in FamilySearch Family Tree, if you are convinced they are > the same person. > When you match the person, you do not change anything on FamilySearch, > you only create a link in RootsMagic to that person in FamilySearch. Absolutely correct, and an excellent explanation. One thing that is confusing is that the feature where you can "match" a person in your database with a person in the FamilySearch community tree has been in RM for a very long time and it really has nothing to do with the way WebHints work in RM. And WebHints, of course, is a very new feature in RM. You can match a person in your database with a person in the FamilySearch community tree without using WebHints, and you can use WebHints without matching a person in your database with a person in the FamilySearch community tree. They are completely separate processes. The confusing aspect is that WebHints does involve a matching process. But the matching process used by WebHints is totally separate from the matching process where you declare a person in your database to be a match to a person in the FamilySearch community tree. Jerry

On 5 Feb 2015 at 15:40, Pat McGrath via wrote: > What is really being shown on the right side of the page? I do NOT have a > 'tree' in FamilySearch, nor do I want to put one there at this time. I seem > to have to leave that screen, go to my RM person screen to see if I have that > info, right info, wrong info, etc. .. Then what? Manually enter info into RM > if it is my person? FamilySearch does not have individual family trees, such as those found on commercial sites like Ancestry.com, which are put there by individuals. It does have a tree that people can edit, more on the lines of Wikipedia, and Rootsmagic gives you a window into that tree, if any members of your family in RM are in the FamilySearch one. As I understand it, you can sync the information in FamilySearch with your tree, if it is the same person. -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: [email protected]

> SO, the 'tree' I am seeing on the Right side of the > screen is someone elses FamilySearch tree .... If I think the data is ALSO > a > match to the person in MY RM DATABASE I'd jot it down and add it ..... It's not "somebody else's FamilySearch tree". It's "everybody else's FamilySearch tree". It's ne big tree that all users work on together - one big database of everybody. There are three things involved in the process: 1) your tree on your computer, 2) the one big tree on the FamilySearch server that all users work on together, 3) record hints that are hints for the one big tree that all users work on together. What RM is doing is showing you the record hints that are for the one big tree and it's showing the hints on your RM screen. It makes it look like the hints are for your database on your computer. But they are really hints for the one big tree that all users work on together. But even though the hints are not really for your RM database, you can treat them like they are for your RM database because RM is matching people in your database against the one big tree that all users work on together. Jerry (Technically and behind the scenes, I think it's really the FamilySearch server that's doing the matching between your RM database and the one big tree that all users work on together. But as a user, it really doesn't matter where the matching gets done as long as it gets done.)

There is no reason to be afraid of "matching" a person in your database with a person in FamilySearch Family Tree, if you are convinced they are the same person. When you match the person, you do not change anything on FamilySearch, you only create a link in RootsMagic to that person in FamilySearch. Ted Meikle On 2/5/2015 6:00 PM, Pat McGrath via wrote: > ...--- since I don't truly know if it IS their person ... would > seem like I should check them out, take anything that might be useful to me > and then REJECT the match so that I do not mess up another person's database > / tree .... > >

Hi: Since some of you asked if I’d let this list know when our local RM User’s Group was meeting, I will post this info! We will be meeting tomorrow morning, Friday, Feb 6 at 10:30-12:00 at the Bolton Police/Fire station. That’s located about 10 minutes from Rt. 495 and closer to ½ hour from Rt. 117 …. If you might be interested in joining us, the address is 15 Wattaquadock Hill Rd, Bolton, MA ------ Have a great day! Pat Mc

Wow! Thanks for taking the time for that explanation. Yes, I do understand what you are saying. SO, the 'tree' I am seeing on the Right side of the screen is someone elses FamilySearch tree .... If I think the data is ALSO a match to the person in MY RM DATABASE I'd jot it down and add it ..... ... BUT I can't make the stuff on the screen either confirmed or rejected since it's not MY database it's looking at .... but someone else's database/tree --- since I don't truly know if it IS their person ... would seem like I should check them out, take anything that might be useful to me and then REJECT the match so that I do not mess up another person's database / tree .... Does any of that make sense??? Pat -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerry Bryan via Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 4:58 PM To: 'RootsMagic Users List ' Subject: Re: [RMagic] Web hint question I'm not sure if this is the officially correct terminology, but FamilySearch has a community tree that all users contribute to. It's sort of a Wiki kind of thing, if you are familiar with how that works. It's like all of us RM users loaded all our data up to one big database in the sky and combined it together (plus lots of other people who are not using RM). If I see a correction to some data that's already out there, I can simply make the correction and vice versa for somebody else looking at data that I have put out there. There are procedures in place to document what changes were made, who made them, when they were made, and why. For the most part, this has all been taking place by users logging into the FamilySearch site and doing their work from there. FamilySearch has recently added a way that such updates can be made from programs such as RM without users having to logon directly to FamilySearch. Ok, so you have the community tree out there, the results of the collective research of all the FamilySearch users. Also, FamilySearch has bunches of databases out there - censuses, birth records, death records, and lots more. These databases are not part of the community tree. They are just raw data. These databases can serve as sources for users who are putting data into the community tree. The next step in the hints process is that FamilySearch runs some automated processes behind the scenes to try to find connections between their databases and the community tree that has been built by their users. You can logon to FamilySearch and see these hints as Record Hints. FamilySearch only finds the hints and makes them available. It doesn't confirm or deny whether they were correct - for example, whether John Doe age 5 in the 1850 census was the same person as a John Doe in the community tree who was born in 1845. FamilySearch users themselves confirm or reject the hints. What's happening with RM is that data in your database is being matched against the community tree. The matches may or may not be correct. That's for your to decide. But if the matches between your database and the community tree are correct, and if the Record Hints between the community tree and the FamilySearch databases are correct, then you will have found matches between your database and the FamilySearch databases. There is nothing in the process that will bring sourcing information from the FamilySearch databases back into your database. You will have to do that manually. Nevertheless, the hints can be quite useful. Also, you can use RM to confirm the hints, except that the process is not really confirming the hints between your database and the community tree nor between your database and the FamilySearch databases. Rather, the process is confirming the hints between the community tree and the FamilySearch databases, the same thing you can do by logging on directly to FamilySearch without using RM at all. Jerry -----Original Message----- From: Pat McGrath via Sent: Thu, February 05, 2015 3:40 PM To: 'RootsMagic Users List ' Subject: [RMagic] Web hint question Hi: When using Web hints in FamilySearch, I see a document with info on the left side of the screen and on the right it says Family Tree .. If not yours, find tree. What is really being shown on the right side of the page? I do NOT have a 'tree' in FamilySearch, nor do I want to put one there at this time. I seem to have to leave that screen, go to my RM person screen to see if I have that info, right info, wrong info, etc. .. Then what? Manually enter info into RM if it is my person? Sorry, but I'm finding using this very confusing . must be a senior moment thing???? But help appreciated! 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