Kirsten- Thank you, very much. But I must agree to disagree~~~~~~~~ I have worked on Genealogy for many years. I am 78 and started in 1980. I also knew my Grandfather well. He said his parents were born in Germany/Baden Baden, etc. I believed him, that they were born in Germany. 3 brother came to Ohio along with my Greatgrandmother and her aunts. One brother stayed in their homeplace. He invented 'Twilight Sleep'. When I was in high school I found a book in the Library about TS with my greatuncles name on it. Much later I tried to find the book but it was not there. Much much later I Googled TS and other names are in the article. BUT, I know and saw the printed proof that he did 'make' it. When I see their death certificates OR Census pages which they have given information for OR Probate Papers OR any other legal page such as Immigration papers listed as their being born in Germany THAT is what I will enter. My software accepts their birthplace as Germany along with the years they were born. Irregardless to everything I read yesterday on email, I will continue to enter Germany for their birthplaces. Sallie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirsten Bowman" <viking@rvi.net> To: "Sallie" <gentenmawps@rgv.rr.com> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Niederlosheim Losheim am See, Merzig-Wadern, Saarland,Germany , a ? > Sallie: > > I certainly didn't intend to hint that you were "dumb"; I only agreed with > Phil in that there was no country called Germany until 1871. From Roman > times the people were referred to as "Germanic" and those who immigrated > to the US in the 1800s very often referred to themselves as "German" even > before 1871, but if you're looking for a term to use for country in the > location field of your software then "Germany" is not a proper choice > until January 1871. > > Peace, > > Kirsten > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sallie > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 9:14 PM > To: Kirsten Bowman > Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Niederlosheim Losheim am See, Merzig-Wadern, > Saarland,Germany , a ? > > Then tell my greats that they didn't know where they were born, where they > came from. Not once in any of my official records of my Kinzig Family-by > the > way there is a Kinzig River in Germany-was Prussia mentioned! And I am not > dumb! > Sallie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kirsten Bowman" <viking@rvi.net> > To: "Sallie" <gentenmawps@rgv.rr.com>; "Phil Stevens" > <bstevens27@frontier.com>; <roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 3:21 PM > Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Niederlosheim Losheim am See, Merzig-Wadern, > Saarland,Germany , a ? > > >> Sallie: >> >> Phil's correct. It wasn't until 1871 that a whole group of individual >> states were united into the German Empire. Before that, they were each >> independently ruled and truly separate countries. To call them "Germany" >> would be similar to calling the 13 colonies the "United States" prior to >> 1776--although with the colonies there was a single government (generally >> English), but there was no single ruling body in Germany before 1871. >> >> Kirsten >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sallie >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 12:37 PM >> To: Phil Stevens ; roots@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Niederlosheim Losheim am See, Merzig-Wadern, >> Saarland,Germany , a ? >> >> This is so odd. I don't know really what you are discussing..... >> >> You say Germany didn't exist until 1871. Well my grgrandfather was born >> Aug >> 1844 in Baden, Hessen Nassau, Germany, so where does this leave him!!! >> >> Sallie Lou Morris Nelson >> San Benito TX via Logansport/Deacon IN >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Phil Stevens" <bstevens27@frontier.com> >> To: <roots@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 1:19 PM >> Subject: [ROOTS-L] Niederlosheim Losheim am See, Merzig-Wadern, >> Saarland,Germany , a ? >> >> >>> Hello Rooters , gotta question for you today , I believe that the use >>> of >>> " Germany " in the subect place is in error , As Ggermany did not exist >>> until 1871 , So to include it in a database would be dumb ?? , Phil >> >> ===== >> If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to >> roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2433/5054 - Release Date: 06/07/12 >> > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2433/5055 - Release Date: 06/07/12 >