I have better luck with FamilySearch when you select the 'collection' you want to search. Gale Gorman Houston On Jul 2, 2012, at 12:28 AM, vjspringer@aol.com wrote: Hi, I am trying to find a passenger list for Johann Anton Darter (Doerther), his wife Anna Maria Elizabeth Kurtz Darter/Tarter and two children Nicholas and Jacob. Various people on Ancestry say that they arrived on the ship JACOB. The date was probably 1749. I have checked Ancestry and the ship is not there. What would be the best place to look next. They lived in either the Rhineland Pfalz Germany or Hesse Germany. It makes most sense that they would use the Rhine River to get to the western coast of Europe but that is not a certainty That means that they probably left from Holland or France. The ship took them to Philadelphia. If any of you have a great place to look for these early ships, I would be most greatful for the information. Velma VJSpringer@aol.com