Dianna My first thought is that a draftee could not substitute for another draftee, as that would defeat the system. But.. We are talking, if memory serves, about the Union side, right? From Pennsylvania? So, I found, at Ancestry, in Leechburgh, the draft record you mention. Henry is 44, colored, a cooper, born in Pennsylvania. The record was enumerated May & June 1863. It is not, however, called a "Draft Record" on the original, but "Schedule II.--CONSOLIDATED LIST of all persons of Class II, subject to do military duty in the [Twenty Third] Congressional District, consisting of the Counties of [Armstrong Butler] and [part of Alleghany] State of [Pennsylvania], enumerated during the month[s] of [May & June], 186[3], under the direction of [Capt. J. W. Kirker], Provost Marshal." "Class I comprises all persons subject to do military duty between the ages of twenty and thirty-five years, and all unmarried persons subject to do military above the age of thirty-five years and under the age of forty-five. Class II comprises all other persons subject to do military duty." That would mean that (as in more recent history) certain people had to "register for the draft" or more specifically "Selective Service." It did NOT mean they were drafted. So, Henry is 44, which would put him in Class I if unmarried. Since he's Class II, that's a class of "all other..." Wonder what that means. Could someone who, as in this case, was listed as "eligible" in these counties have gone to another county/state and taken the place of another person on the list, but who was being called up? Sure. Plenty of that going on. Legal? Well. No. But, going on. This Henry matches everything "we" have discovered about Henry Fullum/Fuller so far. Remember that "none" (that I see) of the inhabitants of Armstrong County in 1860 were listed by color. I only checked a few pages, (out of 62) but given that it's unlikely Henry was the only black in the county, perhaps someone was lazy. Or making a political point. He was one of 21 "black," "colored," or "mullato," draftees in the counties of Armstrong, Butler, and Allegheny. So, where were they all in the census? Well one was in Pine Twp, and that enumerator marked them all. Have to compare all the draftees to really see this, but my best guess is that the draft doc was correct. But what about the other document. What was the document that indicated he was paid to serve by someone else? Maybe we can take a good look at that! And the final question. How do we know the two were the same person? (maybe I should remember this, but I don't) Pat Dunford >-----Original Message----- >From: ROOTS [mailto:roots-bounces+kith-n-kin=cox.net@rootsweb.com] On >Behalf Of dianna charles >Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 2:47 PM >To: Joan Young via <roots@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [ROOTS-L] Civil War Draft record > >Hi List > Hope you are all well. I have a question please re Draft records please. As >you all know I have been doing research on HENRY FULLER for a long time now >and there has been a little bit of confusion as he is mentioned as being black on >his draft record. Now one of his descendants have made this statement and I >would like some clarification (and education) on this please. The below is the >statement made:- > >As a substitute Henry did not have a draft record. He would have a Substitute >Volunteer Enlistment record. If he had a draft record he would not have been >able to serve as a substitute. > >Is this statement correct or not please. He was a substitute and I do have a >draft record for him, living in Leechburg, Co. Armstrong when he enlisted. I >have an ancestry sub at the moment so any direction as to records re this >Substitute Volunteer Enlistment record would be great. Kindest regards Dianna >===== If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots- >admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS- >request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >subject and the body of the message