I have RH- blood and, luckily, had no problems with either of my children. I have often wondered why my father was an only child but never asked. He was the maternal grandson of the subject family. I am now in possession of a photo that was taken around 1900 +/- ? number of years. It is from a glass negative. This photo is possibly of my ggrandparents and their children. I know of only two children of that marriage and there are five in the picture. I have since found that three died at varying young ages. With only that information, I am inclined to wonder if they died because the blood type. What might have been cited, back then, as cause of death? Thank you very much. Barbara in MA

I need some help on this one. I'm trying to determine George Burton's Revolutionary War service and/or find his pension application. He is listed on the 5th page of the Indiana Pension Roll in the 1838 "Report from the Secretary of War ... in relation to the Pension Establishment of the United States": https://books.google.com/books?id=mIQFAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA1-PA1838 Ancestry also has a "U.S. Pensioners, 1818-1872" collection of images that track the payments of the pensions. I find George Burton receiving payments in Pennsylvania in the early 1820s and then in Indiana after that. I've found nothing earlier than 1820. I've no idea why he was receiving payments in Pennsylvania, as he was already in Madison, Jefferson Co., Indiana before that (losing the 1817 election for Justice of the Peace, and counted in the 1820 Jefferson Co. census) and supposedly lived and married in Kentucky before that. Though I'm mellow ... if he was in Pennsylvania before Indiana, that could prove interesting. ;-) A random snippet on the Internet (so it's gotta be true), found here: http://stephenfranklin.tripod.com/burtgeor.html Has this: "Burton, George, U.S. Soldier, Rev. War, served in NW Indian War." Am I not finding his Revolutionary War "stuff" because it's the wrong war? "Pension record shows that he was not in the War of the Revolution but served in the Northwest Indian Wars." "George Burton served eight months as a private and marched 75 miles from Salemtown to Neals Station then to Robinson's Station and back." (Not sure where Salemtown was but Neals Station is perhaps the one on a Historical Marker in Parkersburg WV and Robinson's Station might be Isaac Robinson's blockhouse 50 miles or so down the Ohio River from there, built in 1794.) If he served instead in the NW Indian Wars, where should I be looking? Would those 75 miles of marching make sense? How do I find the pension application? Etc. Based on his census records (1820, 1830, 1840), he was probably born about 1770, which seems very young for the RW. I don't have Fold3.com, should I? (And yes, I need to drop a note to Stephen D. Franklin, author of that interesting page on Tripod. Hopefully the address is still valid.) Karen karen@mtpinos.com kareneyvonne@gmail.com (in case mail to the mtpinos.com address boucnes)

Hi everyone I’m looking for information on the above couple as I have been trying to find a picture of Christopher FULLER for a while now and there seems to be one of him on ancestry also a picture of his wife Arabella FYE. Christopher Henry FULLER Son of Henry FULLER and Mary Ann ROSE b Dec 19 1855 Co Armstrong PA d Oct 4 1930 Oconto Falls WI m Arabella FYE 1874 Children: (7) William Henry, John, Adelane, Samuel Franklin, George Harrison, Orin Arnold, Matilda, ELIZABETH MARGARET married August PAGEL 1914 WI . I would like to make contact with the person who has submitted the information on ancestry as I have now nearly completed my research into the ancestors of Henry FULLER. Kindest regards Dianna

You won't get any argument from me about any of that in that I'm fishing in all of those ponds and each resource has advantages and disadvantages. I've been fortunate with getting a response from matches at all of the sites including 23andme. I think anyone who is REALLY serious about getting the most out of DNA testing will test or upload data to all of the sites. I just haven't found FTDNA quite as helpful as the other sites because of the smaller database. I do lover their tools. Joan Young jyoung6180@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Barton Lewis <bartonlewis@optonline.net> To: 'Joan Young' <jyoung6180@aol.com>; mscheffler <mscheffler@verizon.net>; Roots-L <Roots-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 25, 2016 9:14 pm Subject: RE: [ROOTS-L] Interpreting DNA results I agree that uploading at gedmatch is very useful. However, I disagree that transferring to FTDNA is not especially helpful. I have made my most valuable discoveries at FTDNA. I find that people who test there are generally more serious about using DNA in their research (as opposed to 23andme, where a large percentage of testers are interested in health data). I think many people who test at Ancestry are just as interested in doing so but are not aware of the importance of having segment data. FTDNA has an excellent set of tools for analyzing your data. You will find a percentage of people from both Ancestry and FTDNA who have uploaded their kits to gedmatch, but in general it’s going to be a fraction of each database’s total. Barton From: Joan Young [mailto:jyoung6180@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 9:05 PM To: bartonlewis@optonline.net; mscheffler@verizon.net; Roots-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Interpreting DNA results You can do the same thing by uploading your raw AncestryDNA data to GEDMatch for free. I have my DNA data on all of the sites and find GEDMatch more helpful in finding matches than I do FTDNA family finder. FTDNA only has about 250K tested while Ancestry has just passed the 2 million mark. Between Ancestry and GEDMatch you can reach a very wide audience and have the tools you need to verify (or disprove) matches and triangulation. --------------------------------------- Dear Margaret, The problem with testing at Ancestry is that they don't give you your segment data: what chromosome and on what part of the chromosome (the segment start and stop points) where you share DNA. This is critical to mapping your DNA to your ancestors. Three people could be a match to each other, but two of them could match through one common set of ancestors and the other two could match through a different set of common ancestors. The 3 of you could share yet a 3rd set of common ancestors. But unless you see all three matching on the same segment, you won't know for sure that they are sharing DNA through the same common ancestor. Such scenarios may sound far-fetched, but in fact people who have lots of early colonial American ancestry have complex and duplicated relationships in their trees. You can transfer your kit from Ancestry to FTDNA for only $39. There you will see your matches and precisely where they match you on your chromosomes. You will have the benefit of having your DNA at both companies, with their separate databases which don't always (or even mostly) overlap. -- Joan Young jyoung6180@aol.com

I agree that uploading at gedmatch is very useful. However, I disagree that transferring to FTDNA is not especially helpful. I have made my most valuable discoveries at FTDNA. I find that people who test there are generally more serious about using DNA in their research (as opposed to 23andme, where a large percentage of testers are interested in health data). I think many people who test at Ancestry are just as interested in doing so but are not aware of the importance of having segment data. FTDNA has an excellent set of tools for analyzing your data. You will find a percentage of people from both Ancestry and FTDNA who have uploaded their kits to gedmatch, but in general it’s going to be a fraction of each database’s total. Barton From: Joan Young [mailto:jyoung6180@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 9:05 PM To: bartonlewis@optonline.net; mscheffler@verizon.net; Roots-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Interpreting DNA results You can do the same thing by uploading your raw AncestryDNA data to GEDMatch for free. I have my DNA data on all of the sites and find GEDMatch more helpful in finding matches than I do FTDNA family finder. FTDNA only has about 250K tested while Ancestry has just passed the 2 million mark. Between Ancestry and GEDMatch you can reach a very wide audience and have the tools you need to verify (or disprove) matches and triangulation. --------------------------------------- Dear Margaret, The problem with testing at Ancestry is that they don't give you your segment data: what chromosome and on what part of the chromosome (the segment start and stop points) where you share DNA. This is critical to mapping your DNA to your ancestors. Three people could be a match to each other, but two of them could match through one common set of ancestors and the other two could match through a different set of common ancestors. The 3 of you could share yet a 3rd set of common ancestors. But unless you see all three matching on the same segment, you won't know for sure that they are sharing DNA through the same common ancestor. Such scenarios may sound far-fetched, but in fact people who have lots of early colonial American ancestry have complex and duplicated relationships in their trees. You can transfer your kit from Ancestry to FTDNA for only $39. There you will see your matches and precisely where they match you on your chromosomes. You will have the benefit of having your DNA at both companies, with their separate databases which don't always (or even mostly) overlap. -- Joan Young jyoung6180@aol.com <mailto:jyoung6180@aol.com>

You can do the same thing by uploading your raw AncestryDNA data to GEDMatch for free. I have my DNA data on all of the sites and find GEDMatch more helpful in finding matches than I do FTDNA family finder. FTDNA only has about 250K tested while Ancestry has just passed the 2 million mark. Between Ancestry and GEDMatch you can reach a very wide audience and have the tools you need to verify (or disprove) matches and triangulation. --------------------------------------- Dear Margaret,The problem with testing at Ancestry is that they don't give you your segment data: what chromosome and on what part of the chromosome (the segment start and stop points) where you share DNA. This is critical to mapping your DNA to your ancestors. Three people could be a match to each other, but two of them could match through one common set of ancestors and the other two could match through a different set of common ancestors. The 3 of you could share yet a 3rd set of common ancestors. But unless you see all three matching on the same segment, you won't know for sure that they are sharing DNA through the same common ancestor. Such scenarios may sound far-fetched, but in fact people who have lots of early colonial American ancestry have complex and duplicated relationships in their trees.You can transfer your kit from Ancestry to FTDNA for only $39. There you will see your matches and precisely where they match you on your chromosomes. You will have the benefit of having your DNA at both companies, with their separate databases which don't always (or even mostly) overlap. -- Joan Young jyoung6180@aol.com

Dear Margaret, The problem with testing at Ancestry is that they don't give you your segment data: what chromosome and on what part of the chromosome (the segment start and stop points) where you share DNA. This is critical to mapping your DNA to your ancestors. Three people could be a match to each other, but two of them could match through one common set of ancestors and the other two could match through a different set of common ancestors. The 3 of you could share yet a 3rd set of common ancestors. But unless you see all three matching on the same segment, you won't know for sure that they are sharing DNA through the same common ancestor. Such scenarios may sound far-fetched, but in fact people who have lots of early colonial American ancestry have complex and duplicated relationships in their trees. You can transfer your kit from Ancestry to FTDNA for only $39. There you will see your matches and precisely where they match you on your chromosomes. You will have the benefit of having your DNA at both companies, with their separate databases which don't always (or even mostly) overlap. -----Original Message----- From: roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of MScheffler via Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 12:40 PM To: Roots-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ROOTS-L] Interpreting DNA results Since April I have been getting results from my family’s DNA kits on Ancestry. I have been marking them off on pedigree charts as we come up with new family matches. I have several families where there may be matches say for 3rd, 5th and 6th great grandparents and maybe one lower – say 1st great grandparents. Can one assume, since the DNA came from me or one of my siblings that the DNA has basically proved the entire line up the ancestral tree. Most of the confidence levels are moderate, which seems likely since we may be going back to people who were born in the 1600s. There are also generations where there is only one match to a set of great grandparents, but both match at the next generation. How one interprets some of the generations which appear to have been proved by matches to others with common ancestors may have implications for people trying to prove lineages for membership in lineage based organization. Many of us have relatively well proved lines, yet lacking paper proof say for one generation out of 5 or 6 or more needed. As time goes on and more people have their DNA tested, perhaps more people may be eligible to join some of these organizations. At this point in time, I am plotting my matches and breathing a sigh of relief when a few problematic lines for me, seem to have been proved by Ancestry’s DNA results. Are there any DNA experts out there willing to weigh on on these matters? Margaret Scheffler ===== If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

New addition! Mostly unrecorded wills, 1184 files, mostly not recorded in New York County's will books. Not in other counties, either. Because of more original wills, I moved Albany's Old wills in Original Wills section along with New York county's. http://www.sampubco.com/wills/ny/newyork.htm free browsing of lists. W David Samuelsen SAMPUBCO

Since April I have been getting results from my family’s DNA kits on Ancestry. I have been marking them off on pedigree charts as we come up with new family matches. I have several families where there may be matches say for 3rd, 5th and 6th great grandparents and maybe one lower – say 1st great grandparents. Can one assume, since the DNA came from me or one of my siblings that the DNA has basically proved the entire line up the ancestral tree. Most of the confidence levels are moderate, which seems likely since we may be going back to people who were born in the 1600s. There are also generations where there is only one match to a set of great grandparents, but both match at the next generation. How one interprets some of the generations which appear to have been proved by matches to others with common ancestors may have implications for people trying to prove lineages for membership in lineage based organization. Many of us have relatively well proved lines, yet lacking paper proof say for one generation out of 5 or 6 or more needed. As time goes on and more people have their DNA tested, perhaps more people may be eligible to join some of these organizations. At this point in time, I am plotting my matches and breathing a sigh of relief when a few problematic lines for me, seem to have been proved by Ancestry’s DNA results. Are there any DNA experts out there willing to weigh on on these matters? Margaret Scheffler

There is another neat genealogy site that I have been able to access through my local public library. It is called Heritage Quest. Just go to your library and sign up and then can access the site through my home computer. Has census, some different search sites and one I just found this last week or so (hadn't been on the site for a while) is a cemetery site and has a global site. It actually looked like it might be part of ancestry. You can also access some books through this site. And, occasionally one has seemed interesting and then I have put in a interlibrary loan request. Nadine

Geni.com has been around for over 10 years before acquisition by MyHeritage.com David Samuelsen On 6/24/2016 3:18 PM, GALE GORMAN via wrote: > This is the first I’ve heard of Geni.com but I’m sure it’s not the last. > > I have a full subscription to Ancestry and I feel like that is all I can afford. My Heritage came on the scene with deep discounts but then you find you are just getting their teaser list. Every name that looks interesting requires a full subscription. I tried that for a while and pretty much found they were just regurgitating my tree back to me. I have posted my tree on several sites and I’m still OK with that. > > When I decided to retire a few years ago it didn’t take long for me to realize I needed to shrink my spending to stay in line with my income. > > Between Ancestry and Family Search I find more than I need. If I miss an ancestor or two or three I remind myself these are dead people and they won’t get away if don’t record their data this week or even this year. > > I would be quite comfortable just unearthing new facts for the current 1,000 relatives in my tree for the next 10 to 20 years. > > Gale Gorman > Houston

I like the newspaper databases. There is one that comes with Ancestry. It is good for a name like Fellman. It is not so good with a very common name or a name with a meaning, like Driver or Binder. What I wanted to say was that they don't all have the same papers. And the Library of Congress has newspapers. It is free. They are not all digital. Lori Personally I don't think most of these sites with contributed databases are worth a subscription

Personally I don't think most of these sites with contributed databases are worth a subscription. I do not like the format of the sites on Geni. Personally I do not like what they offer for free -- have no idea what you would get for a subscription. There is a large shared database on Rootsweb.com (WorldConnect) which is free. Also you can "google" many names and find information from free sites. Through many public libraries you can access Heritage Quest for free from your home if you have a valid library card. They have census information and access to many local history books. I subscribe to Ancestry and have for many years. Also I subscribed to MyHeritage this year, but I likely will not renew it. The Allentown public library has a site that I have used in the past. I'm not sure whether there is a fee to access it. The Godfrey Library of Middletown, CT has good information and is not terribly expensive. I have subscribed to it in the past and found it useful. Margaret Scheffler -----Original Message----- From: nancy wright via Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 4:48 PM To: Rootsweb mailing list Subject: [ROOTS-L] What is Geni.com? I have an offer to subscribe to Geni.com for a discounted price of about $90.00. Every time I click on a match they offer it takes me to MyHeritage where I have to subscribe for about $180.00 to see the match. Is Geni.com just a gateway to other paid subscriptions? I can't find a description of their product/software on their website anywhere. Nancy in Louisiana

This is the first I’ve heard of Geni.com but I’m sure it’s not the last. I have a full subscription to Ancestry and I feel like that is all I can afford. My Heritage came on the scene with deep discounts but then you find you are just getting their teaser list. Every name that looks interesting requires a full subscription. I tried that for a while and pretty much found they were just regurgitating my tree back to me. I have posted my tree on several sites and I’m still OK with that. When I decided to retire a few years ago it didn’t take long for me to realize I needed to shrink my spending to stay in line with my income. Between Ancestry and Family Search I find more than I need. If I miss an ancestor or two or three I remind myself these are dead people and they won’t get away if don’t record their data this week or even this year. I would be quite comfortable just unearthing new facts for the current 1,000 relatives in my tree for the next 10 to 20 years. Gale Gorman Houston On Jun 24, 2016, at 3:48 PM, nancy wright via <roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: I have an offer to subscribe to Geni.com for a discounted price of about $90.00. Every time I click on a match they offer it takes me to MyHeritage where I have to subscribe for about $180.00 to see the match. Is Geni.com just a gateway to other paid subscriptions? I can't find a description of their product/software on their website anywhere. Nancy in Louisiana ===== If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have an offer to subscribe to Geni.com for a discounted price of about $90.00. Every time I click on a match they offer it takes me to MyHeritage where I have to subscribe for about $180.00 to see the match. Is Geni.com just a gateway to other paid subscriptions? I can't find a description of their product/software on their website anywhere. Nancy in Louisiana

Version 12.7 of the U.S. Civil War Units File (June 24, 2016) is now available at its new home: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~acwunits/ The Civil War Units File (CWUNITS) lists people who have information on a unit, ship, or group (often rosters, battles, etc.) and are willing to help others research it. Some are experts; most are "just" helpful fellow researchers. If you see a listing for a unit you are interested in, you can send the contact person email and share information. There are also listings for battles, organizations, counties, ethnic groups, etc. Special note for those researching CSA Virginia & North Carolina units: Due to the passing of Jeff Weaver, we have had to remove his many listings. If you do research in this area (maybe you have one of his books) please read the FAQ and consider volunteering as a contact. If you write to me, please do *NOT* include this message in your reply. My time and disk space are limited. Also please do *NOT* include attached files. Thanks! If you have a listing in the file, please make sure it's still there, and send me an update if needed. If your account does not accept mail from unknown senders, please find a friendlier address. CWUNITS is five files (plus one for the FAQ) as follows: USA National & States A-I USA States K-N USA States O-W CSA National & States A-M CSA States N-V FAQ -- frequently asked questions and answers Within a state the units are organized by number (1st Infantry, etc.). Questions and new listings for the CWUNITS file go to me. Carol Botteron (ancestors on both sides) botteron@alum.mit.edu

Hi DeeAnn Whilst as others say PAF has been continued, you can still get a copy here <http://www.parowansoftware.com/> Whilst support has been discontinued, its such a stable program that I have never required support in many years of using PAF I am currently still using Windows 7 so had no personal experience of using PAF on Windows 10, so have just used my wifes laptop which is on Windows 10, I downloaded and then installed PAF on it On the first attempt it said it may have not installed properly and did I want to use compatibility, and it then installed and opened with no problem at all Having said all that PAF was originally supplied to the LDS by the people who now write & supply Ancestral Quest Its compatible with PAF files (ie will read a PAF file without alteration or conversion) They do a free version but the full version is not expensive http://www.ancquest.com/index.htm Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 23/06/2016 00:28, DeAnn Leonard via wrote: > Does anyone know where I CAN GET A NEW VERSION OF THIS THAT WILL WORK WITH > WINDOWS 10 > MINE IS 30YEARS OLD I have called all the phone numbers I have with no > results > > Many thanks

PAF has been discontinued. Cindy Kelly kelly_cindy@smc.edu Does anyone know where I CAN GET A NEW VERSION OF THIS THAT WILL WORK WITH WINDOWS 10 MINE IS 30YEARS OLD I have called all the phone numbers I have with no results Many thanks

I downloaded mine from familysearch.org It works with Windows 10. Karen Dawson ----- Original Message ----- From: roots-request@rootsweb.com To: roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 01:00:25 -0600 (MDT) Subject: ROOTS Digest, Vol 11, Issue 71 If you respond to this digest, please replace the subject line of your response (so it doesn't read "Re: ROOTS-L Digest") and please don't quote the digest ... a few lines from the message to which you are responding or (better still) a brief summary of that message will do. Thanks! Today's Topics: 1. PAF file (DeAnn Leonard) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 18:28:32 -0500 From: DeAnn Leonard &lt;deegenbug@gmail.com&gt; Subject: [ROOTS-L] PAF file Does anyone know where I CAN GET A NEW VERSION OF THIS THAT WILL WORK

Familysearch quit support and downloads in 2013. I think you really need a new program. Fortunately there are many good products most of which have free versions. Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (Anon) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold) On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 7:28 PM, DeAnn Leonard via <roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Does anyone know where I CAN GET A NEW VERSION OF THIS THAT WILL WORK WITH > WINDOWS 10 > MINE IS 30YEARS OLD I have called all the phone numbers I have with no > results > > Many thanks > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message