Hi everyone: I have been working on my family tree for over thirty years now, and have had a marvelous experience along the way, exploring many primary and secondary sources of information about relatives on both sides of my family tree. I have benefitted from the help of close, distant and shirt-tail relatives, and, in the process of sharing information, many of these people have become friends as well as relatives. I joined Ancestry a few years ago and stand in awe of the tremendous job they have done and are still doing in providing access to a multitude of genealogical resources worldwide. I have, however, never submitted my own family tree on Ancestry -- not from a desire to be reclusive but rather because I no longer have the time or energy to maintain it on line. It is all I can do to keep my Family Tree Maker file uptodate, and to edit, improve, arrange and store the vast supply of our family photographs beginning about 1850 and collected over many years. A few years ago one of my cousins, with whom I share info, asked if I minded if he "went on" Ancestry with his Family Tree, which included all the data I had given him as well as a goodly selection of photographs of our grandparents, Gr. Grandparents, and even some Gr. Gr.s. I agreed, seeing no harm in it at the time. Well, can you imagine what has happened? Recently I had occasion to look at the data my cousin had posted on my own grandmother, who I knew very well during the first 30 years of my life. Gran had married her childhood sweetheart, my grandfather, and together they had two children - my mother and my aunt - and no others, and they had remained married to each other for 60 years dying in their 80s within five weeks of each other. However, an "Anonymous Person" had picked up my grandmother, added to her life by giving her a second husband and several more children, and adding my grandmother's ancestral history to that of "Anonymous Person's." If that were not enough, several more "Anonymous Persons" have jumped on the bandwagon and have added my grandmother's rather unique ancestry to that of their own, and in addition have absconded with all the family portraits that my cousin had posted, and claiming them for their own families. And this is only one occasion - I have since found several more instances of genealogical piracy of data that originated with me. Well, I know - I can hear you laughing - and it is sort of funny. In the long run, it doesn't hurt my own record of our family which I am preparing for my kids - but it does cast doubt on the veracity of any info that I or any of the rest of you find on Ancestry today. In my own Family Tree Maker files I meticulously record all sources I have found, and if no verification can be found I make a note of that, also, as being merely "family speculation," or some such. So BE WARNED !!! (and STOP LAUGHING, Okay?)

Hi Gale You will I hope forgive my mirth <g> I was quite used to DOS before the GUI and yes some wonderful mistakes were initiated by the odd wrong character :-( Also much heart ache was caused in pre hard drive computers when a glitch lost you oodles of work if you were not careful As to reboots, sure it can help on occasion but its rare these days and I do not for one minute believe other systems are immune from either the need for a reboot or the risk of a virus / trojan Would I want to pay well over double for what a Windows machine will do and not be able to run half the software I want to..er no Would I accept an Apple as a gift probably but would I go out of my way to get one....no (not that I could afford one anyway) No I will just stick with these rubbishy old windows machines like most of the planets inhabitants do :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I used UNIX for years before the graphical user interface became the norm. Amazing what you could >accomplish with a few keystrokes. For example rm /* would wipe out everything on the hard drive >without any of the "Are you sure?" stuff. Now I use Apple and yes, I do love it. I upgraded to a >new laptop a few years ago and asked my wife if she wanted my old one. She said "no, I don't want >to waste my time learning a new system" and I asked "are you sure? I'll just sell it on eBay?" I >set up her email in a couple of minutes and the next day you couldn't pry it out of her hands. > > Windows users are accustomed to rebooting to cure hangups. They are also accustomed to concern for > virus attacks. Apple users don't worry about either. There are UNIX systems that have been running > without a reboot for 3 decades. > > So you may have Windows but that's not much. > > Gale Gorman > Houston

Slave schedules are at Ancestry, Try looking for Franklin in the state you want, they used initials a lot. But searching Nap* Franklin I got 40 Female Mulatto Napoleon B Franklin Carondelet, St Louis, Missouri 15 Female Black Napoleon B Franklin Carondelet, St Louis, Missouri 10 Male Mulatto Napoleon B Franklin Carondelet, St Louis, Missouri 8 Female Black Napoleon B Franklin Carondelet, St Louis, Missouri Eliz On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 2:24 PM, <fenenga@connpoint.net> wrote: > > > are these available anywhere online? I find reference to them at > Ancestry, but no scans. > > I am looking for Napoleon Bonaparte Franklin, > Carondelet, MO. he was a slave owner and father in law to a great, great > grand uncle of mine. > > Cornelia > > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ron I am still using XP I may soon have to use Win 7 as I am in need of a new laptop but will keep XP on this tower for as long as it runs Having used Win 7 a little (but not enough yet) I find it has one or two strange ways about it but guess in time I will get used to it One thing that has been mentioned is the way Win7 wants to download to a download location, whats that about? Why it can't just ask for a location where you want to save it to, I don't know It appears to me that as time goes by and each successive "upgrade" they appear to be trying to make Windows suitable for two years olds to use, but they seem to be achieving the opposite from what I see of some facets of it Jan suggested Linux, if you go down that route good luck to you I was impressed with it for a day or so, it booted a seemingly unbootable computer, but killed it very soon after and have been unable to boot it at all since I find the Linus lovers much like the Apple aficionados, they do like them don't they :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > Just read yesterday that Microsoft is killing Windows XP two years from > now. Is anyone still using XP? Anyone panicing? i guess I will have o > move to Windows 7.0. > Ron > > Submarine Vet.

Hi Gale It may well be overkill but I for one would sooner be safe than sorry Just formatting a hard drive does not stop someone with the right skills extracting data If a user hasn't used internet banking or any other form of credit or investment facility on their computer fare enough it may not matter much but if they have it makes sense to ensure no one else can get at it In the same way I shred any letters or paperwork with names or addresses on, it may be over the top but it gives peace of mind Generally by the time a hard drive is at the age when you need a new computer the old HD is not very usable anyway (ie size and compatibility) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Velma, > > If you are concerned about someone retrieving the data from your hard drive, just simply re-format > it and it will be absolutely empty and ready for someone to load new stuff. > > If the hard drive no longer works, why bother? > > In my opinion this sort of safety is much ado about nothing. I certainly don't consider myself or > my data to be of that much interest to anyone. > > Gale Gorman > Houston

Am I the only one seeing paranoia here? Gale Gorman Houston On Apr 13, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Joseph G. Kovacs wrote: I've read articles that if someone is really determined to retrieve data from a hard drive, it can be done. If a hard drive is smashed with a hammer, or actually broken apart, they use a special jig and can read data from it. The best way is to grind it up! Joe Kovacs =====

According to my local TV station for the next couple of months, you will be able to download Windows 7 or Vista free.  Check Mirosoft's web site for directions.   Anything that is happening to me is in divine order and comes with a lesson"

I've read articles that if someone is really determined to retrieve data from a hard drive, it can be done. If a hard drive is smashed with a hammer, or actually broken apart, they use a special jig and can read data from it. The best way is to grind it up! Joe Kovacs

I have both a PC and a Mac--and I started on an Apple II + way back when (well, OK I learned programming in Fortran on an IBM mainframe long before the Apple). Anyway, I love my iMac for the way it handles music and photos and the ease with which I can sync my iPod Touch and my iPad (compared to what my husband goes through to sync his iPod to his PC). That said, I do almost everything else on my PCs (one desktop and two laptops). The variety of software just isn't there for Mac. I love the way I can control the files, etc. on my PC (yes, that probably has more to do with familiarity than with the actual features of the operating system). Considering the amount of use they get, I probably have had to reboot my Mac as often as my PC. We love the looks of the iMac and it is great to have a computer handy downstairs when we want to look something up on the Internet and are too lazy to walk upstairs (where all our other computers are). But--if my main PC dies, I will definitely be replacing it with another PC. As to viruses, it isn't that Unix is invulnerable--it just hasn't been a big enough target. There have been a couple recent virus/trojan attacks against Macs and I am sure that will only increase as more and more people use Macs. Pat in Toledo On 4/13/2012 11:06 AM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Gale > > I was quite used to DOS before the GUI and yes some wonderful mistakes were initiated by the odd wrong charachter. > As to reboots, sure it can help on occasion but its rare these days and I do not for one minute believe other systems are immune from either the need for a reboot or the risk of a virus / trojan > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > >> I used UNIX for years before the graphical user interface became the norm. Amazing what you could >> accomplish with a few keystrokes. For example rm /* would wipe out everything on the hard drive >> without any of the "Are you sure?" stuff. Now I use Apple and yes, I do love it. >> >> Windows users are accustomed to rebooting to cure hangups. They are also accustomed to concern for >> virus attacks. Apple users don't worry about either. There are UNIX systems that have been running >> without a reboot for 3 decades. >> >> So you may have Windows but that's not much. >> >> Gale Gorman >> Houston > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

are these available anywhere online? I find reference to them at Ancestry, but no scans. I am looking for Napoleon Bonaparte Franklin, Carondelet, MO. he was a slave owner and father in law to a great, great grand uncle of mine. Cornelia

anyone can recover after a reformat. Rip it apart to get to that disk and shred it. Hard drive may not work but the disk is there recoverable. David Samuelsen On 4/13/2012 6:35 AM, Gale Gorman wrote: > Velma, > > If you are concerned about someone retrieving the data from your hard drive, just simply re-format it and it will be absolutely empty and ready for someone to load new stuff. > > If the hard drive no longer works, why bother? > > In my opinion this sort of safety is much ado about nothing. I certainly don't consider myself or my data to be of that much interest to anyone. > > Gale Gorman > Houston

It is all well and good if someone isn't worried and feels it is OK just to throw out a hard drive, but it seems irresponsible to tell a large list of this type that it is OK to "simply re-format it and it will be absolutely empty" or "if the hard drive no longer works, why bother". Incorrect information like that can lead those who are less computer savvy to make disastrous decisions. Thanks to Nivard for pointing out that reformatting a hard drive absolutely does not remove the data and a non-working hard drive is child's play for one with good computer skills. Pat in Toledo > There are many levels to safety but they all boil down to fear and I suppose I just have none. > > > > On Apr 13, 2012, at 8:28 AM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > > Hi G > > It may well be overkill but I for one would sooner be safe than sorry > > Just formatting a hard drive does not stop someone with the right skills extracting data > > If a user hasn't used internet banking or any other form of credit or investment facility on their computer fare enough it may not matter much but if they have it makes sense to ensure no one else can get at it > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Velma, > > If you are concerned about someone retrieving the data from your hard drive, just simply re-format it and it will be absolutely empty and ready for someone to load new stuff. > > If the hard drive no longer works, why bother? > >

Hi Velma I find a 4lb lump hammer is a remarkably efficient way of "cleansing" a hard drive <g> I think any IT technician would have to do rather well to retrieve data after a hefty thwack or two ;-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:51 AM, <vjspringer@aol.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > My church has a time once a year when those "do not dump"  products  are collected.  Remember we paid a fee for the recyling.  The church gets money for the children's program from the drive.  The best part is that the company guarantees that all hard drives will be ground up.  They have been checked to see that they are doing that.  When the computer won't work how does one use a cleaning program?  You might want to check to see if this sort of thing is available in your area. > > Velma

AMERICAN AND WEST INDIAN COLONIES BEFORE 1782 - The British colonies on the western shores of the Atlantic were founded and developed in a variety of circumstances during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries: as a result their legal status and administrative arrangements followed no common pattern. Control by the authorities in London was seldom close and in some colonies, at some periods, almost nonexistent. Local government was generally conducted by officials of the colonies themselves, and the records thereof are preserved, if they survive, in the appropriate state archive, where any inquiry should first be pursued. The responsible authorities in London were the Secretaries of State and the Board of Trade. Of the two Secretaries, it was the Secretary of State for the Southern Department who was primarily, if not exclusively, charged with the oversight of colonial administrations, except for the period between 1768 and 1782, when a third Secretary of State, the Colonial or American Secretary, was appointed. For much executive action, advice and routine administration, however, the Secretaries were dependent on the Lords of Trade and Plantations, commonly known as the Board of Trade. The Board was founded in 1696 to succeed a variety of bodies with similar titles and overlapping jurisdictions which had existed at various periods since 1660. Its functions were originally purely advisory, but came in time to include much of the administration of the colonies, and to its offices at Plantations House were addressed many of the papers now in the Public Record Office. PRINTED GUIDES - The prime source of information about the records held in the Public Record Office is C. M. Andrews Guide to the Materials for American History to 1783 in the Public Record Office (2 vols, Carnegie Institution, Washington, 1912). Some of the references given are now obsolete, but can be keyed to those in current use. A complete history of the records with guidance on their use, giving the references in their modern form, is to be found in R. D. B Pugh The Records of the Colonial and Dominions Offices, (PRO Handbook No 3, HMSO 1964). Documents in the Public Record Office and elsewhere not mentioned by Andrews are described in B R Crick and M Alman eds. A Guide to Manuscripts Relating to America in Great Britain and Ireland (Mansell Publishing 1961) a revised edition of which has been prepared by John W. Raimo and published, under the same title, by Meckler Books/Mansell Publishing (1979). Documents relating to the Caribbean are noted in H C Bell, D W. Parker and others Guide to British West Indian Archive Materials, in London and in the Islands, for the History of the United States (Carnegie Institution, Washington 1926); and P Walne ed. A Guide to Manuscript Sources for the History of Latin America and the Caribbean in the British Isles (Oxford University Press, 973). For more of this article, see This and That England, Scotland, Ireland at my This and That Tips page, url in signature below. Shirley Hornbeck <http://www.genealogical.com/products/This%20and%20That%20Genealogy%20Tips/9377.html> <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~hornbeck>

I used UNIX for years before the graphical user interface became the norm. Amazing what you could accomplish with a few keystrokes. For example rm /* would wipe out everything on the hard drive without any of the "Are you sure?" stuff. Now I use Apple and yes, I do love it. I upgraded to a new laptop a few years ago and asked my wife if she wanted my old one. She said "no, I don't want to waste my time learning a new system" and I asked "are you sure? I'll just sell it on eBay?" I set up her email in a couple of minutes and the next day you couldn't pry it out of her hands. Windows users are accustomed to rebooting to cure hangups. They are also accustomed to concern for virus attacks. Apple users don't worry about either. There are UNIX systems that have been running without a reboot for 3 decades. So you may have Windows but that's not much. Gale Gorman Houston On Apr 13, 2012, at 8:59 AM, Nivard Ovington wrote: Hi Ron I am still using XP I may soon have to use Win 7 as I am in need of a new laptop but will keep XP on this tower for as long as it runs Having used Win 7 a little (but not enough yet) I find it has one or two strange ways about it but guess in time I will get used to it One thing that has been mentioned is the way Win7 wants to download to a download location, whats that about? Why it can't just ask for a location where you want to save it to, I don't know It appears to me that as time goes by and each successive "upgrade" they appear to be trying to make Windows suitable for two years olds to use, but they seem to be achieving the opposite from what I see of some facets of it Jan suggested Linux, if you go down that route good luck to you I was impressed with it for a day or so, it booted a seemingly unbootable computer, but killed it very soon after and have been unable to boot it at all since I find the Linus lovers much like the Apple aficionados, they do like them don't they :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > Just read yesterday that Microsoft is killing Windows XP two years from > now. Is anyone still using XP? Anyone panicing? i guess I will have o > move to Windows 7.0. > Ron > > Submarine Vet.

Chester County Historical Society to Host Genealogy Workshop Saturday, April 21, 2012 (West Chester, PA) Are you a fan of the television show "Who Do You Think You Are?" Would you like to learn where you come from? Join us at the Chester County Historical Society to learn how to "Discover Your Family Tree." In a morning workshop, Chester County Archives Assistant Archivist and genealogist Kim Bucklaw will present two main sessions: "Getting Started in Genealogy" and "Chester County Records and Genealogy." She will also host a special bonus session "Breaking Down Brick Walls" during which she will work with 10 lucky researchers to bust down brick walls from their personal research. All attendees are welcome to sit in on the bonus session. The half-day workshop will take place on Saturday, April 21 at Chester County Historical Society, 225 North High Street in West Chester. Registration begins at 9:00 a.m. The cost is $10.00 for CCHS members and $25.00 for non-members. For more information and a registration form please visit www.ChesterCoHistorical.org or call the Chester County Archives at 610-344-6760. The Chester County Historical Society is a not-for-profit educational institution whose mission is to promote an understanding of the history of Chester County and southeastern Pennsylvania by collecting, preserving, exhibiting and interpreting that history and its relationship to the region, and nation beyond, to audiences of all ages and interests. CCHS's library has collected materials documenting the diversity of the county from the 1680s to the present. The library houses collections of printed volumes (25,000), and manuscripts (500,000) including letters, diaries and other personal papers, business and organizational records, pamphlets, broadsides, newspapers, audio-visual material and genealogical material related to the history of the county and surrounding area. For more information, call 610-692-4800 or visit www.ChesterCoHistorical.org. Created in 1982, the Chester County Archives was established to preserve and make available the historic public records of Chester County. The archives currently holds over 2,940 volumes and 1,823 cubic feet of original records and is a primary destination for genealogists, property researchers, local historians and academics researching all facets of Chester County history. For more information, call 610-344-6760 or visit www.chesco.org/archives. *** Hope to see some of you there! Kim Bucklaw Chester County Archives and Records Services This County of Chester e-mail message, including any attachments, is intended for the sole use of the individual(s) and entity(ies) to whom it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended addressee, nor authorized to receive for the intended addressee, you are hereby notified that you may not use, copy, disclose or distribute to anyone this e-mail message including any attachments, or any information contained in this e-mail message including any attachments. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please immediately notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. Thank you very much.

There are many levels to safety but they all boil down to fear and I suppose I just have none. I remember as a child hearing about kidnapping and I felt safe because my parents didn't have enough to attract a ransom note, much less pay it. This fearlessness has seen me through 71 years, a hazardous occupation as an ironworker, 58 years of motorcycles, and I remain in excellent health with the blood pressure of a teenager. To each his own, Gale Gorman Houston On Apr 13, 2012, at 8:28 AM, Nivard Ovington wrote: Hi Gale It may well be overkill but I for one would sooner be safe than sorry Just formatting a hard drive does not stop someone with the right skills extracting data If a user hasn't used internet banking or any other form of credit or investment facility on their computer fare enough it may not matter much but if they have it makes sense to ensure no one else can get at it In the same way I shred any letters or paperwork with names or addresses on, it may be over the top but it gives peace of mind Generally by the time a hard drive is at the age when you need a new computer the old HD is not very usable anyway (ie size and compatibility) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Velma, > > If you are concerned about someone retrieving the data from your hard drive, just simply re-format it and it will be absolutely empty and ready for someone to load new stuff. > > If the hard drive no longer works, why bother? > > In my opinion this sort of safety is much ado about nothing. I certainly don't consider myself or my data to be of that much interest to anyone. > > Gale Gorman > Houston

Many have commented on loss of Windows XP, others on use of Linux. FYI a search on Google reveals Windows 8 could be released as early as May 2012, although Microsoft hopes to have it for sure by October. There are many links to be found by searching for Windows 8 release date, and some have teasers of what could be included, such as Internet Explorer 9 or 10, touch screen, an AP store, the ability to run Windows 8 from a USB (called Live USB) Personally I prefer a Linux distribution, Ubuntu. It is as Jan said, free. It is frequently updated and if you really want to use a Windows program, the Linux program "WINE" (wine is not an emulator) is a free download and will let you run many Windows programs inside the Ubuntu and other distributions. For what its worth, I hold classes for my elder associates and with Wine I don't have to restart my computer to switch from whichever Windows program we are studying to its Linux/Ubuntu equivalent. I also use GRAMPS, a Linux genealogy program and have for over 6 years. The Ubuntu distribution is, I have read, the Linux distribution that is closest to Windows. Of interest also is that the Ubuntu distribution and some other Linux distros can be run entirely from a CD or USB flash drive without making changes to any other operating system on the computer. Yes, the Linux operating system may take some "getting use to" but for those on limited income (like me) and the adventurous, it is well worth the time to learn. I am in no way associated with any Linux development team or company, nor have I any interest other than helping others to enjoy something other than Windows. Jim Alexander

Velma, If you are concerned about someone retrieving the data from your hard drive, just simply re-format it and it will be absolutely empty and ready for someone to load new stuff. If the hard drive no longer works, why bother? In my opinion this sort of safety is much ado about nothing. I certainly don't consider myself or my data to be of that much interest to anyone. Gale Gorman Houston On Apr 13, 2012, at 3:51 AM, vjspringer@aol.com wrote: Hi, My church has a time once a year when those "do not dump" products are collected. Remember we paid a fee for the recyling. The church gets money for the children's program from the drive. The best part is that the company guarantees that all hard drives will be ground up. They have been checked to see that they are doing that. When the computer won't work how does one use a cleaning program? You might want to check to see if this sort of thing is available in your area. Velma =====

Hi I was so surprized to have so many replys to my question about the Fireless Cooker. My best hope was to get one answer. I had no idea that there were so many such products. I also did not know that there were different types. I also did not know that that they were around about the turn of the century. One learns a lot of things when doing genealogy. The one that my family had was about the size a fair ly large plastic cooler that we take on picnics or camping. It was made of metal. I don't remember whether it had two wells or not. The one that best describes it is the one where one boiled some soapstone and then put one under and one over the food. When looking at the time it took for different foods, to cook, I had to rethink that part. It seems that it is slower than solar cooking. I think that what my mom did was not just brown a roast but also started cooking it before we went to church. It would be good and hot and with the help of the soapstone it would finish cooking very nicely. My dad would not allow us to leave an oven on when we were not home watching it. Some of those products looked very dangerous. It seems like hay would likely catch on fire. Thanks to everyone who took their time to help me. I had some great answers. I will try to get a thank you out to everyone tomorrow. I always thought that genealogy was a very fun way to learn history. Now I see that it isn't just history.but so much else. Velma