My mother died in 1991 but several people listed her death as 1992. I sent them updates but the wrong year is still posted. SSDI does have the correct year. Also some very distant cousins on my husband's side posted our deceased son's information. I was furious! He was a minor and they had no business just putting his information on line. There was no connection to his parents, grandparent, etc. He was just there. They had asked for my family information. I had not given my information because it was my husband's family they were related to. I have been so glad I did not. They were just gathering names and increasing the number of people in their file. This seems to be the case with many people. How many names can they collect. How big can they make their file. Since that time I have made a number of corrections as I have found additional information. I will put information into my files as a point to work from. I make a notation for myself this is not confirmed and until it is proven it is used as something over nothing. Often it leads to other ancestors where I do find correct information. This has happened several times. Barbara M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gale Gorman" <gale_gorman@me.com> To: "JLA" <jasche45133@gmail.com> Cc: "Rootsweb mailing list" <Roots-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Ancestry, piracy, and so forth > Joan, > > I could have written this! My sentiments to a tee! I'm not a long time > genealogist and I've really had a difficult time understanding people > claiming ownership to their ancestors or even the data they dig up. > > In my opinion there is not much value in genealogy if we don't share what > we find. > > It would be great if those who adopt our information would add a credit > line to tell where the info came from. That's not so I get any credit but > it would allow someone to verify the data. A good example is SSDI. The > dates are often wrong, not by much, but wrong just the same. I have no > idea where SSDI gets their info but the case I cite is my own father died > on October 20th and SSDI has the 22nd so someone could dispute my first > hand knowledge because after all, they found it on the internet. > > Gale Gorman > Houston > > > > On Apr 14, 2012, at 5:24 AM, JLA wrote: > > "we can study ANYONE if [we] like > > > I guess it's a good thing that we can add people to a tree if we want. > Over the past 10 years I have compiled a family tree of a small Ohio > town. It didn't start out that way. I was documenting one pioneer > family but because it is a small town the descendants of the > pioneering family married into other families and before I knew it I > was building a family tree for an entire town. > > I find myself and my website being used as source material and that > doesn't bother me. I've work hard to document my data and being used > as a source is -- well -- flattering. I don't feel like my material > was 'stolen' if I felt that way I would not have put it World > Connect. > > If somebody wants to bastardize their family tree so be it. I know > that what I have is correct and that's all that concerns me. If I > find a error in another tree I will try and contract the owner and let > them know about it. If they don't change the error - I don't care. > I know that what I have is correct as far as I can document it. > > Happy hunting to all, > > Joan Asche > > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 1:53 AM, <JYoung6180@aol.com> wrote: >> Um...Sally...they ARE his family (if he's a cousin as you state below). >> He >> can put people in his tree even if they are NOT his family if he wants >> to. >> Genealogical research is not limited to our ancestors...we can study >> ANYONE >> if like. I've research many a line I'm not personally related to. >> >> We don't OWN our ancestors and can't claim any "rights" to names, dates, >> and places in our family trees. They are facts and facts can't be owned >> by >> anyone. >> >> Joan > > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to > roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I wouldn't stop sharing even if someone wrote a book. what is sad is if they are taking all of their information off of the net then their could be alot of mistakes in their book. I look at it as we share somewhere along the line a book will be available with all the correct information and with references that maybe one of my children will find and find out their history. Isn't the reason most of us do research is so that a record will be keep for the future generations. We all have that one or more lines that we struggle with and through other's we maybe can find or work together I have to tell you if it wasn't for my grandparents, great grandparents sharing their information I wouldn't have what I have now. and with the help from many family members and friends on the net they helped fill in gaps and guided me to where I can find the information. So to you all thanks. I too have found alot of mistakes from people and alot of them are so willing to correct their information  and share theirs with me. Sharon Gallup On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 22:44:28 -0700, Glory Bee Richhart <glorybeeric@gmail.com> wrote: I did same, but no such luck.... > one put on ancestry and gave me some credit.. The other gave no credit, > added some faux info, but worse, wrote a book! So now I totally hesitate > to give any info much less post on any website . Ancestry, personal > website, genealogical list etc. > > gloria > > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Sally Smith <sallys@citlink.net> wrote: > > > I understand fully what you are saying. I just found a new cousin and gave > > him some family group sheets. Even though I only gave him my parents names > > and dates, both my parents have died, he was able to get the whole line to > > my 6th great grandparents. He put them on his tree, on Ancestry, just like > > they were his family. I ask him to remove from his and tree and he did. > > > > Sally Smith > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > > Behalf Of Liz Engle > > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 5:20 PM > > To: ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [ROOTS-L] Ancestry, piracy, and so forth > > > > Hi everyone: > > > > I have been working on my family tree for over thirty years now, and have > > had a marvelous experience along the way, exploring many primary and > > secondary sources of information about relatives on both sides of my family > > tree. I have benefitted from the help of close, distant and shirt-tail > > relatives, and, in the process of sharing information, many of these people > > have become friends as well as relatives. I joined Ancestry a few years ago > > and stand in awe of the tremendous job they have done and are still doing > > in > > providing access to a multitude of genealogical resources worldwide. I > > have, > > however, never submitted my own family tree on Ancestry -- not from a > > desire > > to be reclusive but rather because I no longer have the time or energy to > > maintain it on line. It is all I can do to keep my Family Tree Maker file > > uptodate, and to edit, improve, arrange and store the vast supply of our > > family photographs beginning about 1850 and collected over many years. > > > > A few years ago one of my cousins, with whom I share info, asked if I > > minded > > if he "went on" Ancestry with his Family Tree, which included all the data > > I > > had given him as well as a goodly selection of photographs of our > > grandparents, Gr. Grandparents, and even some Gr. Gr.s. I agreed, seeing no > > harm in it at the time. > > > > Well, can you imagine what has happened? Recently I had occasion to look > > at the data my cousin had posted on my own grandmother, who I knew very > > well > > during the first 30 years of my life. Gran had married her childhood > > sweetheart, my grandfather, and together they had two children - my mother > > and my aunt - and no others, and they had remained married to each other > > for > > 60 years dying in their 80s within five weeks of each other. However, an > > "Anonymous Person" had picked up my grandmother, added to her life by > > giving > > her a second husband and several more children, and adding my grandmother's > > ancestral history to that of "Anonymous Person's." > > > > If that were not enough, several more "Anonymous Persons" have jumped on > > the bandwagon and have added my grandmother's rather unique ancestry to > > that > > of their own, and in addition have absconded with all the family portraits > > that my cousin had posted, and claiming them for their own families. And > > this is only one occasion - I have since found several more instances of > > genealogical piracy of data that originated with me. > > > > Well, I know - I can hear you laughing - and it is sort of funny. In the > > long run, it doesn't hurt my own record of our family which I am preparing > > for my kids - but it does cast doubt on the veracity of any info that I or > > any of the rest of you find on Ancestry today. In my own Family Tree Maker > > files I meticulously record all sources I have found, and if no > > verification > > can be found I make a note of that, also, as being merely "family > > speculation," or some such. > > > > So BE WARNED !!! (and STOP LAUGHING, Okay?) > > > > > > > > ===== > > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to > > roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ===== > > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to > > roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to > roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I too have shared information and pictures with distant cousins only to find the pictures I shared with him and allowed to be posted to the net being added to other peoples trees. Well Ok, but when I email them and ask how they are related to my great grandfather and great grandmother and I would like to hare other info.......I never get a response. And looking at their tree has not given me the info that I wanted, or I guess it is so far down the line I do no understand it. And I get a little out of joint when there is no reference as to where the info/picture came from. This would lead someone back to the original informant! No I do not need credit for the stuff, just the ability for someone to find me, to inquire if I have more info related to this family and how am I related, and are we related to each other! And again I am, as we all are, appalled at the inaccuracies that are posted regarding our families. Family that I have traced and documented and driven 1000's of miles to locate information; spent many weeks/days/hours compiling. And of course requesting that their information be corrected and providing them the documentation.....well that seems never to happen either. When I forward information to anyone regarding family I always tell them to please send me back corrections to any of the data with documentation so that I have the correct info. The main reason that I have never submitted my tree on-line is I am sure that in all that minutia, there are errors and that will only contribute to more erroneous info out there! Just my 2 cents worth! Sharon

Everyone..Have fun with the 1940 Census. looks like the people giving or taking the information wrote down what they wanted. here in Mississippi Ex....last name should be McKee...Not Mckey A step son who's last name was Moffet is listed as Mckey....and the list goes on. My name is listed as JACKS and should be Thomas J. Have fun, but Please be careful with the Names and corrections Tom T.

Joan, I could have written this! My sentiments to a tee! I'm not a long time genealogist and I've really had a difficult time understanding people claiming ownership to their ancestors or even the data they dig up. In my opinion there is not much value in genealogy if we don't share what we find. It would be great if those who adopt our information would add a credit line to tell where the info came from. That's not so I get any credit but it would allow someone to verify the data. A good example is SSDI. The dates are often wrong, not by much, but wrong just the same. I have no idea where SSDI gets their info but the case I cite is my own father died on October 20th and SSDI has the 22nd so someone could dispute my first hand knowledge because after all, they found it on the internet. Gale Gorman Houston On Apr 14, 2012, at 5:24 AM, JLA wrote: "we can study ANYONE if [we] like I guess it's a good thing that we can add people to a tree if we want. Over the past 10 years I have compiled a family tree of a small Ohio town. It didn't start out that way. I was documenting one pioneer family but because it is a small town the descendants of the pioneering family married into other families and before I knew it I was building a family tree for an entire town. I find myself and my website being used as source material and that doesn't bother me. I've work hard to document my data and being used as a source is -- well -- flattering. I don't feel like my material was 'stolen' if I felt that way I would not have put it World Connect. If somebody wants to bastardize their family tree so be it. I know that what I have is correct and that's all that concerns me. If I find a error in another tree I will try and contract the owner and let them know about it. If they don't change the error - I don't care. I know that what I have is correct as far as I can document it. Happy hunting to all, Joan Asche On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 1:53 AM, <JYoung6180@aol.com> wrote: > Um...Sally...they ARE his family (if he's a cousin as you state below). He > can put people in his tree even if they are NOT his family if he wants to. > Genealogical research is not limited to our ancestors...we can study ANYONE > if like. I've research many a line I'm not personally related to. > > We don't OWN our ancestors and can't claim any "rights" to names, dates, > and places in our family trees. They are facts and facts can't be owned by > anyone. > > Joan

If you're needing a quick break from your own research... We post one image a day (usually a signature) from a record or document and encourage site visitors to try and read it by guessing and submitting their answer. The "answers" are usually posted within a day or two so people can see how they did. Old images with answers remain on the blog indefinitely so others can see the guesses and the answer. We have several who have fun playing... Enjoy! http://genealogytranscriber.blogspot.com/ Michael -- ------------------------------------ Michael John Neill Casefile Clues-Genealogy How-Tos http://www.casefileclues.com

In case anyone is interested, there's a new mailing list... Though it's definitely OK to discuss the 1940 Census here on ROOTS-L, we're NOT one of those lists that considers the 1940 census "off topic". > Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:00:31 -0700 > From: "Courtney" <sitnah@cox.net> > > Hi all, > I noticed my lists are getting a lot of off topic questions about the 1940 > census, so asked rootsweb for a 1940 census list. > > "Pig" has given me permission to post it here, so those who want to can > share it with their lists if they feel like "the 1940 census is taking over > your list and you'd rather it didn't..." or if you would just like to tell > your other subscribers about it. > > The name of the list is USCENSUS1940 > > as usual, subscribe to: > USCENSUS1940-request@rootsweb.com > > post messages to: > USCENSUS1940@rootsweb.com > > List info page: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Census-US/USCENSUS1940.html > > Thanks for reading, > Courtney > sitnah@cox.net

This is a very common complaint, and more often than not if you try to correct some of worse errors you get no reply or a nasty reply. There's not much you can do about it either. I rarely look at other trees and there are only two trees on ancestry that concern my family, and yeah they have incorrect information. Mine has the correct, documented information that's the best that I can do. Joan Asche On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Liz Engle <lizengle@comcast.net> wrote: > Hi everyone: > > I have been working on my family tree for over thirty years now, and have > had a marvelous experience along the way, exploring many primary and > secondary sources of information about relatives on both sides of my family > tree. I have benefitted from the help of close, distant and shirt-tail > relatives, and, in the process of sharing information, many of these people > have become friends as well as relatives. I joined Ancestry a few years ago > and stand in awe of the tremendous job they have done and are still doing in > providing access to a multitude of genealogical resources worldwide. I have, > however, never submitted my own family tree on Ancestry -- not from a desire > to be reclusive but rather because I no longer have the time or energy to > maintain it on line.  It is all I can do to keep my Family Tree Maker file > uptodate, and to edit, improve, arrange and store the vast supply of our > family photographs beginning about 1850 and collected over many years. > > A few years ago one of my cousins, with whom I share info, asked if I minded > if he "went on" Ancestry with his Family Tree, which included all the data I > had given him as well as a goodly selection of photographs of our > grandparents, Gr. Grandparents, and even some Gr. Gr.s. I agreed, seeing no > harm in it at the time. > > Well, can you imagine what has happened?   Recently I had occasion to look > at the data my cousin had posted on my own grandmother, who I knew very well > during the first 30 years of my life.  Gran had married her childhood > sweetheart, my grandfather, and together they had two children - my mother > and my aunt - and no others, and they had remained married to each other for > 60 years dying in their 80s within five weeks of each other.  However, an > "Anonymous Person" had picked up my grandmother, added to her life by giving > her a second husband and several more children, and adding my grandmother's > ancestral history to that of "Anonymous Person's." > > If that were not enough, several more "Anonymous Persons"  have jumped on > the bandwagon and have added my grandmother's rather unique ancestry to that > of their own, and in addition have absconded with  all the family portraits > that my cousin had posted, and claiming them for their own families. And > this is only one occasion - I have since found several more instances of > genealogical piracy of data that originated with me. > > Well, I know - I can hear you laughing - and it is sort of funny.  In the > long run, it doesn't hurt my own record of our family which I am preparing > for my kids - but it does cast doubt on the veracity of any info that I or > any of the rest of you find on Ancestry today. In my own Family Tree Maker > files I meticulously record all sources I have found, and if no verification > can be found I make a note of that, also, as being merely "family > speculation," or some such. > > So BE WARNED !!!  (and STOP LAUGHING, Okay?) > > >

Liz: I always cringe when I hear stories such as yours. Many of us have had similar bad experiences with piracy. The only thing we have that the pirates don't is the documentation. A second marriage that someone added to your dear relative would have no documentation. No one is laughing here. Suzanne From: "Liz Engle" <lizengle@comcast.net> Subject: [ROOTS-L] Ancestry, piracy, and so forth >> Well, can you imagine what has happened? Recently I had occasion to >> look > at the data my cousin had posted on my own grandmother, who I knew very > well > during the first 30 years of my life. Gran had married her childhood > sweetheart, my grandfather, and together they had two children - my mother > and my aunt - and no others, and they had remained married to each other > for > 60 years dying in their 80s within five weeks of each other. However, an > "Anonymous Person" had picked up my grandmother, added to her life by > giving > her a second husband and several more children, and adding my > grandmother's > ancestral history to that of "Anonymous Person's."

"we can study ANYONE if [we]  like I guess it's a good thing that we can add people to a tree if we want. Over the past 10 years I have compiled a family tree of a small Ohio town. It didn't start out that way. I was documenting one pioneer family but because it is a small town the descendants of the pioneering family married into other families and before I knew it I was building a family tree for an entire town. I find myself and my website being used as source material and that doesn't bother me. I've work hard to document my data and being used as a source is -- well -- flattering. I don't feel like my material was 'stolen' if I felt that way I would not have put it World Connect. If somebody wants to bastardize their family tree so be it. I know that what I have is correct and that's all that concerns me. If I find a error in another tree I will try and contract the owner and let them know about it. If they don't change the error - I don't care. I know that what I have is correct as far as I can document it. Happy hunting to all, Joan Asche On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 1:53 AM, <JYoung6180@aol.com> wrote: > Um...Sally...they ARE his family (if he's a cousin as you state below). He > can put people in his tree even if they are NOT his family if he wants to. > Genealogical research is not limited to our ancestors...we can study ANYONE > if  like. I've research many a line I'm not personally related to. > > We don't OWN our ancestors and can't claim any "rights" to names, dates, > and places in our family trees. They are facts and facts can't be owned by > anyone. > > Joan >

These days, that's the only way to have your genealogy on the internet without raising your blood pressure. You can let people know they've got wrong "facts" and point them in the right direction; you can tell them you'd appreciate being asked before your photos are copied; etc. But ultimately, it's my decision -- do I let the sloppy work and the name-collectors ruin my enjoyment (obsession?) in tracing my own family? And I've decided the answer is "no." And yes, I also go out into the side-lines of cousins x-times removed, and families who married into my direct line. I'm happy to say that I've been able to help some direct descendants of those lines in their genealogy quest. Nan On 4/14/2012 5:24 AM, JLA wrote: > "we can study ANYONE if [we] like > > > I guess it's a good thing that we can add people to a tree if we want. > Over the past 10 years I have compiled a family tree of a small Ohio > town. It didn't start out that way. I was documenting one pioneer > family but because it is a small town the descendants of the > pioneering family married into other families and before I knew it I > was building a family tree for an entire town. > > I find myself and my website being used as source material and that > doesn't bother me. I've work hard to document my data and being used > as a source is -- well -- flattering. I don't feel like my material > was 'stolen' if I felt that way I would not have put it World > Connect. > > If somebody wants to bastardize their family tree so be it. I know > that what I have is correct and that's all that concerns me. If I > find a error in another tree I will try and contract the owner and let > them know about it. If they don't change the error - I don't care. > I know that what I have is correct as far as I can document it. > > Happy hunting to all, > > Joan Asche > > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 1:53 AM,<JYoung6180@aol.com> wrote: >> Um...Sally...they ARE his family (if he's a cousin as you state below). He >> can put people in his tree even if they are NOT his family if he wants to. >> Genealogical research is not limited to our ancestors...we can study ANYONE >> if like. I've research many a line I'm not personally related to. >> >> We don't OWN our ancestors and can't claim any "rights" to names, dates, >> and places in our family trees. They are facts and facts can't be owned by >> anyone. >> >> Joan >> > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Um...Sally...they ARE his family (if he's a cousin as you state below). He can put people in his tree even if they are NOT his family if he wants to. Genealogical research is not limited to our ancestors...we can study ANYONE if like. I've research many a line I'm not personally related to. We don't OWN our ancestors and can't claim any "rights" to names, dates, and places in our family trees. They are facts and facts can't be owned by anyone. Joan In a message dated 4/14/2012 1:31:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sallys@citlink.net writes: I understand fully what you are saying. I just found a new cousin and gave him some family group sheets. Even though I only gave him my parents names and dates, both my parents have died, he was able to get the whole line to my 6th great grandparents. He put them on his tree, on Ancestry, just like they were his family. I ask him to remove from his and tree and he did. Sally Smith

I have to agree with Sally's comments. Years ago, before the home computer, I carefully copied a bunch of information from IGI cards. To make a long story short here is this eventually made it into a genealogy program and as I obtained more information errors started popping up. Turns out his young lad's first wife was really his grandmother and his son was his father. With the help of several others I compiled a booklet on a family. This was just a spiral bound thing, with only ten copies being made. One person that got a copy died and the family donated that booklet to a library/historical society. The reference page has been torn out of the booklet at some time or another. All of the names dates and places have been added to Ancestry. Very few of the transcribe documents of followed the person. I do not subscribe to Ancestry, but am a guest on several other peoples accounts. It is amazing the amount of trash that has accumulated there. A couple of weeks ago I discovered someone had copied an entire cemetery index from I site I maintain over to Find A Grave. I complained to FAG, and their response was, data is not copyrighted, thus it is legal. Several in a group that I belong to have started adding marker data to our sites for this vary reason. The person that copied the above cemetery even copied a couple of type-O that I made along with the markers. Another thing happening on FAG is people are making up obituaries. A big give-away here is when they use the last benefit listed in the SSDI as the place of death. In many cases this is not the same.   TR

I did same, but no such luck.... one put on ancestry and gave me some credit.. The other gave no credit, added some faux info, but worse, wrote a book! So now I totally hesitate to give any info much less post on any website . Ancestry, personal website, genealogical list etc. gloria On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Sally Smith <sallys@citlink.net> wrote: > I understand fully what you are saying. I just found a new cousin and gave > him some family group sheets. Even though I only gave him my parents names > and dates, both my parents have died, he was able to get the whole line to > my 6th great grandparents. He put them on his tree, on Ancestry, just like > they were his family. I ask him to remove from his and tree and he did. > > Sally Smith > > -----Original Message----- > From: roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Liz Engle > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 5:20 PM > To: ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ROOTS-L] Ancestry, piracy, and so forth > > Hi everyone: > > I have been working on my family tree for over thirty years now, and have > had a marvelous experience along the way, exploring many primary and > secondary sources of information about relatives on both sides of my family > tree. I have benefitted from the help of close, distant and shirt-tail > relatives, and, in the process of sharing information, many of these people > have become friends as well as relatives. I joined Ancestry a few years ago > and stand in awe of the tremendous job they have done and are still doing > in > providing access to a multitude of genealogical resources worldwide. I > have, > however, never submitted my own family tree on Ancestry -- not from a > desire > to be reclusive but rather because I no longer have the time or energy to > maintain it on line. It is all I can do to keep my Family Tree Maker file > uptodate, and to edit, improve, arrange and store the vast supply of our > family photographs beginning about 1850 and collected over many years. > > A few years ago one of my cousins, with whom I share info, asked if I > minded > if he "went on" Ancestry with his Family Tree, which included all the data > I > had given him as well as a goodly selection of photographs of our > grandparents, Gr. Grandparents, and even some Gr. Gr.s. I agreed, seeing no > harm in it at the time. > > Well, can you imagine what has happened? Recently I had occasion to look > at the data my cousin had posted on my own grandmother, who I knew very > well > during the first 30 years of my life. Gran had married her childhood > sweetheart, my grandfather, and together they had two children - my mother > and my aunt - and no others, and they had remained married to each other > for > 60 years dying in their 80s within five weeks of each other. However, an > "Anonymous Person" had picked up my grandmother, added to her life by > giving > her a second husband and several more children, and adding my grandmother's > ancestral history to that of "Anonymous Person's." > > If that were not enough, several more "Anonymous Persons" have jumped on > the bandwagon and have added my grandmother's rather unique ancestry to > that > of their own, and in addition have absconded with all the family portraits > that my cousin had posted, and claiming them for their own families. And > this is only one occasion - I have since found several more instances of > genealogical piracy of data that originated with me. > > Well, I know - I can hear you laughing - and it is sort of funny. In the > long run, it doesn't hurt my own record of our family which I am preparing > for my kids - but it does cast doubt on the veracity of any info that I or > any of the rest of you find on Ancestry today. In my own Family Tree Maker > files I meticulously record all sources I have found, and if no > verification > can be found I make a note of that, also, as being merely "family > speculation," or some such. > > So BE WARNED !!! (and STOP LAUGHING, Okay?) > > > > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to > roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to > roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I understand fully what you are saying. I just found a new cousin and gave him some family group sheets. Even though I only gave him my parents names and dates, both my parents have died, he was able to get the whole line to my 6th great grandparents. He put them on his tree, on Ancestry, just like they were his family. I ask him to remove from his and tree and he did. Sally Smith -----Original Message----- From: roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz Engle Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 5:20 PM To: ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ROOTS-L] Ancestry, piracy, and so forth Hi everyone: I have been working on my family tree for over thirty years now, and have had a marvelous experience along the way, exploring many primary and secondary sources of information about relatives on both sides of my family tree. I have benefitted from the help of close, distant and shirt-tail relatives, and, in the process of sharing information, many of these people have become friends as well as relatives. I joined Ancestry a few years ago and stand in awe of the tremendous job they have done and are still doing in providing access to a multitude of genealogical resources worldwide. I have, however, never submitted my own family tree on Ancestry -- not from a desire to be reclusive but rather because I no longer have the time or energy to maintain it on line. It is all I can do to keep my Family Tree Maker file uptodate, and to edit, improve, arrange and store the vast supply of our family photographs beginning about 1850 and collected over many years. A few years ago one of my cousins, with whom I share info, asked if I minded if he "went on" Ancestry with his Family Tree, which included all the data I had given him as well as a goodly selection of photographs of our grandparents, Gr. Grandparents, and even some Gr. Gr.s. I agreed, seeing no harm in it at the time. Well, can you imagine what has happened? Recently I had occasion to look at the data my cousin had posted on my own grandmother, who I knew very well during the first 30 years of my life. Gran had married her childhood sweetheart, my grandfather, and together they had two children - my mother and my aunt - and no others, and they had remained married to each other for 60 years dying in their 80s within five weeks of each other. However, an "Anonymous Person" had picked up my grandmother, added to her life by giving her a second husband and several more children, and adding my grandmother's ancestral history to that of "Anonymous Person's." If that were not enough, several more "Anonymous Persons" have jumped on the bandwagon and have added my grandmother's rather unique ancestry to that of their own, and in addition have absconded with all the family portraits that my cousin had posted, and claiming them for their own families. And this is only one occasion - I have since found several more instances of genealogical piracy of data that originated with me. Well, I know - I can hear you laughing - and it is sort of funny. In the long run, it doesn't hurt my own record of our family which I am preparing for my kids - but it does cast doubt on the veracity of any info that I or any of the rest of you find on Ancestry today. In my own Family Tree Maker files I meticulously record all sources I have found, and if no verification can be found I make a note of that, also, as being merely "family speculation," or some such. So BE WARNED !!! (and STOP LAUGHING, Okay?) ===== If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

After reading some of the horror stories abt Windows 8, I don't know if I'd want to run it or not. I've never tried any of the *buntu's, none would boot on my laptop. That said when the ancient Celeron 600 turned off in the middle of service pack 3, I went to the storage unit and of the all the windows software I have, could only find 98 OEM (bootable) no key and ME with the key. So I pulled the 10 gig with all my genealogy and email program (thunderbird portable) and put a 2 gig in and installed ME. After messing with ME, decided to go with Linux, tried Damn Small Linux, and Puppy, both ran ok but had problems connecting wi-fi. So I was looking at the other program that allows you to run win in Linux (name escapes me right now) and noticed that the only distro that they didn't support was PCLinuxOS. So I did some homework, found that its a rolling release, which means that every 6 months there's a new *buntu out, and if you keep running the older version and updating, sooner or later an update will bork your install. Which means that you need to re-install to be current anyway. So I downloaded LXDE as a GUI, which I had been looking at since I was running 128 meg ram on a Celeron, and was very happy with it on the lappy. I have a Centrino 1800 (latitude d610) with XFCE (Phinx right now, going to switch to Phoenix, the full blown version). I'd really like to look at KDE, but I've taken the position of a lighter GUI is easier when running an intensive application, the GUI is not in it's way and does not add overhead your processor/memory can't handle. I also like the fact I can make a live cd of my entire install and re-install on another computer if need be. My last install on the 10 gig was in 2010, and if the drive was better (abt to go out) I could still update and it would be current... I also liked that PCLinuxOS picked up all my hardware, wired and wireless. My opinion, and opinions are like noses, everybody has one! jan > Many have commented on loss of Windows XP, others on use of Linux. > FYI a search on Google reveals Windows 8 could be released as early as > May 2012, although Microsoft hopes to have it for sure by October. > There are many links to be found by searching for Windows 8 release > date, and some have teasers of what could be > included, such as Internet Explorer 9 or 10, touch screen, an AP store, > the ability to run Windows 8 from a USB (called Live USB) > Personally I prefer a Linux distribution, Ubuntu. It is as Jan said, > free. It is frequently updated and if you really want to > use a Windows program, the Linux program "WINE" (wine is not an > emulator) is a free download and will let you run many Windows programs > inside the Ubuntu and other distributions. For what its worth, I hold > classes for my elder associates and with Wine I don't have to restart > my computer to switch from whichever Windows program we are studying to > its Linux/Ubuntu equivalent. > I also use GRAMPS, a Linux genealogy program and have for over 6 years. > The Ubuntu distribution is, I have read, the Linux distribution that is > closest to Windows. > Of interest also is that the Ubuntu distribution and some other Linux > distros can be run entirely from a CD or USB flash drive without making > changes to any other operating system on the computer. > Yes, the Linux operating system may take some "getting use to" but for > those on limited income (like me) and the adventurous, it is > well worth the time to learn. > I am in no way associated with any Linux development team or company, > nor have I any interest other than helping others to enjoy something > other than > Windows. > Jim Alexander > > ===== > If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note toroots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- jan www.bullocks.org

I certainly wouldn't laugh at that. When someone "borrows" or pirates your information do they just adopt it into their own tree? Can they disturb your tree or does it remain intact? I can see a lot of benefit to standing on someone else's shoulders but in my limited experience I've seen several occasions where someone just assumed my Gorman was their Gorman without checking other facts. Gale Gorman Houston On Apr 13, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Liz Engle wrote: Hi everyone: I have been working on my family tree for over thirty years now, and have had a marvelous experience along the way, exploring many primary and secondary sources of information about relatives on both sides of my family tree. I have benefitted from the help of close, distant and shirt-tail relatives, and, in the process of sharing information, many of these people have become friends as well as relatives. I joined Ancestry a few years ago and stand in awe of the tremendous job they have done and are still doing in providing access to a multitude of genealogical resources worldwide. I have, however, never submitted my own family tree on Ancestry -- not from a desire to be reclusive but rather because I no longer have the time or energy to maintain it on line. It is all I can do to keep my Family Tree Maker file uptodate, and to edit, improve, arrange and store the vast supply of our family photographs beginning about 1850 and collected over many years. A few years ago one of my cousins, with whom I share info, asked if I minded if he "went on" Ancestry with his Family Tree, which included all the data I had given him as well as a goodly selection of photographs of our grandparents, Gr. Grandparents, and even some Gr. Gr.s. I agreed, seeing no harm in it at the time. Well, can you imagine what has happened? Recently I had occasion to look at the data my cousin had posted on my own grandmother, who I knew very well during the first 30 years of my life. Gran had married her childhood sweetheart, my grandfather, and together they had two children - my mother and my aunt - and no others, and they had remained married to each other for 60 years dying in their 80s within five weeks of each other. However, an "Anonymous Person" had picked up my grandmother, added to her life by giving her a second husband and several more children, and adding my grandmother's ancestral history to that of "Anonymous Person's." If that were not enough, several more "Anonymous Persons" have jumped on the bandwagon and have added my grandmother's rather unique ancestry to that of their own, and in addition have absconded with all the family portraits that my cousin had posted, and claiming them for their own families. And this is only one occasion - I have since found several more instances of genealogical piracy of data that originated with me. Well, I know - I can hear you laughing - and it is sort of funny. In the long run, it doesn't hurt my own record of our family which I am preparing for my kids - but it does cast doubt on the veracity of any info that I or any of the rest of you find on Ancestry today. In my own Family Tree Maker files I meticulously record all sources I have found, and if no verification can be found I make a note of that, also, as being merely "family speculation," or some such. So BE WARNED !!! (and STOP LAUGHING, Okay?)

Gale and Velma and all others! I would not depend on that statement as it is totally FALSE! Formatting your drive DOES NOT remove any information whatsoever - it only marks new tracks. All the data remains on the drive and CAN be accessed with the right tools. I did that for a living at one time! The only way to 'remove' data from your hard drive so that I can not get it off (as well as any competent technician) is to write over the top of it with new data - the more times, the better. Sorry to pop your false sense of security!!! And Gale, yours is exactly the attitude that people that steal other people s identities are looking for. You would be surprised at the types of data that are sitting on your hard drive without your remembering or even noticing it! Good luck in the future with that security attitude! Fair warning! Dave Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 07:35:25 -0500 From: Gale Gorman <gale_gorman@me.com> Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Destroying Hard Drive. To: vjspringer@aol.com Cc: Roots@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <321181E6-E753-4118-92F7-88C6C850C394@me.com> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Velma, If you are concerned about someone retrieving the data from your hard drive, just simply re-format it and it will be absolutely empty and ready for someone to load new stuff. If the hard drive no longer works, why bother? In my opinion this sort of safety is much ado about nothing. I certainly don t consider myself or my data to be of that much interest to anyone. Gale Gorman Houston

Hi Joe The costs involved in reconstructing data from a damaged hard drive mean that only the really determined person would bother to even try We are talking many thousands of dollars here not hundreds Whereas someone with the knowledge can extract data from a reformatted hard drive for very little expense Hence the hammer for me :-) Once its been thwacked with a hammer it can still be recycled in the same way but you are pretty safe in the knowledge that no one can intercept the hard drive before its shredded Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > I've read articles that if someone is really determined to retrieve data > from a hard drive, it can be done. If a hard drive is smashed with a > hammer, or actually broken apart, they use a special jig and can read > data from it. The best way is to grind it up! > > Joe Kovacs

Lanelle Don't know what they meant. Microsoft.com says nothing about that. All I can find is a "consumer review" of Windows 8, the newest operating system. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/press/2012/feb12/02-29Windows8CPPR.aspx And, note that's a "review" (sort of like a Beta test), not a full-blown, licensed version. Maybe this is something that is going to happen? Instead of happening? Pat In Tucson -----Original Message----- From: roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lanelle LaRue Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:00 PM To: ROOTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [ROOTS-L] Windows According to my local TV station for the next couple of months, you will be able to download Windows 7 or Vista free.  Check Mirosoft's web site for directions.   Anything that is happening to me is in divine order and comes with a lesson" ===== If you would prefer digest mode to mail mode, drop a note to roots-admin@rootsweb.com and ask for the digest... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message